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A63577 A true narrative of the Portsmouth disputation, between some ministers of the Presbyterian, and others of the Baptist, persuasion, concerning the subjects and manner of baptism held in Mr. Williams's meeting-place there on Wednesday, Feb. 22. 1698/9. The managers for the Presbyterians were, Mr. Samuel Chandler of Fareham. Mr. Leigh of Newport in the Isle of Wight. Mr. Robinson of Hungerford in Berks, moderator. For the Baptists were, Dr. William Russel of London. Mr. John Williams of East Knoyle in Wiltshire. Mr. John Sharp of Froome in Somersetshire, moderator. Transcribed from two copies taken at the dispute; the one by Mr. Bissel Town-Clerk of Portsmouth, and the other by Mr. Samuel Ring. Revis'd and publish'd by Dr. William Russel. Bissel, Mr.; Ring, Samuel.; Russel, William, d. 1702. 1699 (1699) Wing T2806A; ESTC R215290 67,061 90

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do_v by_o dip_v dr._n russel_n it_o be_v very_o well_o mr._n leigh_n will_v allow_v that_o i_o have_v give_v the_o people_n the_o proper_a mean_v of_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o that_o its_o prime_a signification_n be_v to_o dip._n now_o he_o may_v have_v spare_v all_o the_o rest_n that_o he_o have_v say_v for_o we_o do_v not_o lay_v the_o stress_n only_o upon_o the_o etymology_n of_o the_o word_n but_o also_o upon_o the_o concurrent_a testimony_n of_o holy_a scripture_n that_o it_o be_v so_o understand_v and_o so_o practise_v by_o john_n the_o baptist_n christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n and_o so_o represent_v by_o the_o metaphor_n make_v use_v of_o as_o a_o burial_n and_o a_o resurrection_n to_o set_v it_o forth_o by_o as_o also_o
water_n matth._n 28_o 19_o onderwyst_n alle_fw-mi de_fw-fr volckeren_fw-mi deselve_fw-la dopende_v in_o den_n name_n des_fw-fr vaders_z etc._n etc._n instruct_v all_o the_o people_n dip_v the_o same_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n etc._n etc._n mark_v 1._o 9_o end_v wiert_n van_fw-mi joanne_n gedoopt_v in_o the_o jordaen_fw-la end_v terstont_n all_o be_v by_o vyt_v her_o water_n opklaem_v etc._n etc._n and_o be_v dip_v of_o john_n in_o jordan_n and_o straightway_o as_o he_o climb_v up_o out_o of_o the_o water_n etc._n etc._n act_n 8._o 36._o wat_fw-ge verhindert_fw-ge my_o gedoopt_v te_fw-mi word_n what_o hinder_v i_o to_o be_v dip_v v_o 38._o end_v hy_z doopte_a hem_n and_o he_o dip_v he_o v_o 12._o wierden_n sy_n gedoopt_v beyde_v mannen_n end_n vrouwen_n they_o be_v dip_v both_o man_n and_o woman_n rom._n 6._o 3._o oft_o en_fw-fr wetet_fw-la ghy_fw-mi niet_fw-mi that_fw-mi so_o vele_v all_o be_v wy_fw-mi in_o christum_fw-la jesum_fw-la dedoopt_v zyn_v wy_fw-mi in_o synen_n doodt_v gedoopt_v zyn_o know_v you_o not_o that_o so_o many_o of_o we_o as_o be_v dip_v into_o christ_n jesus_n we_o be_v dip_v into_o his_o death_n and_o the_o same_o in_o coll._n 2._o 12._o and_o according_a to_o what_o i_o find_v in_o all_o other_o place_n where_o this_o ordinance_n of_o baptism_n be_v mention_v dutch_a annotation_n on_o john_n 3._o 23._o and_o john_n also_o baptise_a in_o aenon_n near_o salim_n etc._n etc._n see_v there_o be_v many_o water_n there_o that_o be_v brooks_n or_o rivulet_n or_o much_o water_n because_o they_o that_o be_v baptise_a by_o john_n go_v into_o the_o water_n with_o their_o whole_a body_n see_v matth._n 3._o 16._o act_n 8._o 38._o and_o on_o rom._n 6._o 3._o we_o be_v baptise_a into_o his_o death_n the_o apostle_n seem_v here_o to_o allude_v to_o the_o manner_n of_o baptise_v much_o use_v in_o those_o warm_a eastern_a country_n where_o man_n be_v whole_o dip_v into_o the_o water_n and_o remain_v a_o little_a while_n under_o the_o water_n to_o show_v that_o this_o dip_v into_o and_o remain_v in_o the_o water_n be_v a_o representation_n of_o christ_n death_n and_o burial_n and_o the_o rise_n up_o out_o of_o the_o water_n of_o his_o resurrection_n beza_n on_o matth._n 3._o 11._o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o die_v by_o dip_v or_o wash_v and_o differ_v from_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o drown_v or_o go_v down_o to_o the_o bottom_n like_o a_o stone_n causabon_n annotation_n upon_o matth_n 3_o he_o say_v immerge_v be_v the_o proper_a rite_n in_o baptism_n which_o the_o word_n itself_o sufficient_o declare_v which_o as_o it_o signify_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o go_v down_o to_o the_o bottom_n without_o any_o ascend_n so_o not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o swim_n like_o a_o cork_n above_o the_o water_n but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o go_v down_o and_o come_v up_o again_o tilenus_n a_o learned_a protestant_a writer_n in_o his_o disputation_n page_n 886_o 889_o 890._o say_v baptism_n be_v the_o first_o sacrament_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n institute_v by_o jesus_n christ_n the_o outward_a rite_n in_o baptism_n be_v three_o fold_n first_o immersion_n into_o the_o water_n two_o abide_v under_o the_o water_n three_o a_o rise_n again_o out_o of_o the_o water_n and_o he_o there_o show_v at_o large_a what_o a_o most_o lively_a similitude_n it_o be_v of_o the_o sorrow_n of_o christ_n which_o he_o be_v plunge_v into_o under_o divine_a justice_n and_o of_o his_o burial_n and_o resurrection_n etc._n etc._n leigh_n in_o his_o critica_fw-la sacra_fw-la he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v derive_v from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tingo_fw-la to_o dip_v or_o plunge_v into_o the_o water_n and_o signify_v primary_o such_o a_o kind_n of_o wash_v as_o be_v use_v in_o buck_n where_o linen_n be_v plunge_v or_o dip_v it_o imply_v the_o wash_n of_o their_o whole_a body_n the_o native_a and_o proper_a signification_n of_o it_o be_v to_o dip_v into_o water_n or_o to_o plunge_v under_o water_n john_n 3._o 22_o 23._o matth._n 3._o 16._o act_n 8._o 38._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d dip_v into_o water_n or_o wash_v with_o water_n etc._n etc._n and_o in_o his_o annotation_n on_o rome_n 6_o 4._o he_o allude_v to_o the_o manner_n in_o which_o baptism_n be_v then_o administer_v which_o be_v to_o plunge_v they_o in_o the_o water_n the_o plunge_a of_o they_o into_o water_n that_o be_v baptise_a be_v a_o sign_n of_o their_o death_n and_o burial_n with_o christ_n wollebius_n in_o his_o compendium_n etc._n etc._n speak_v of_o their_o present_a practice_n say_v the_o action_n be_v sprinkle_v of_o water_n which_o be_v usurp_v in_o the_o stead_n of_o dip_v and_o then_o add_v immersio_fw-la &_o emersio_fw-la illustre_fw-it symbolum_n fuit_fw-la sepulturae_fw-la &_o resurrectionis_fw-la christi_fw-la their_o be_v plunge_v into_o the_o water_n and_o come_v up_o again_o out_o of_o the_o water_n be_v a_o illustrious_a symbol_n of_o the_o burial_n and_o resurrection_n of_o christ_n daille_n on_o the_o father_n lib._n 2._o p._n 148._o say_v it_o be_v a_o custom_n heretofore_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n to_o plunge_v those_o they_o baptise_a over_o head_n and_o ear_n in_o the_o water_n and_o cite_v for_o his_o authority_n tertullian_n cyprian_n epiphanius_n and_o other_o and_o this_o be_v still_o say_v he_o the_o practice_n both_o of_o the_o greek_n and_o russian_n at_o this_o day_n and_o cites_n cassander_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la pag._n 193._o and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o this_o custom_n which_o be_v both_o so_o ancient_a and_o so_o universal_a be_v now_o abolish_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o this_o be_v the_o reason_n that_o the_o moscovite_n say_v that_o the_o latin_n be_v not_o right_o and_o due_o baptise_a because_o they_o do_v not_o use_v this_o ancient_a ceremony_n in_o their_o baptism_n also_o in_o that_o greek_a lexicon_n publish_v and_o recommend_v to_o all_o for_o the_o increase_n of_o knowledge_n and_o explain_v in_o english_a by_o mr._n joseph_n caryll_o mr._n george_n cockayne_n mr._n ralph_n vening_n mr._n william_n dell_n mr._n matthew_n barker_n mr._n william_n adderly_n mr._n matthew_n mead_n mr._n henry_n jessey_n they_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o dip_v plunge_v or_o drown_v in_o the_o passive_a voice_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v plunge_v or_o overwhelm_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o dip_v in_o as_o one_o do_v his_o finger_n in_o liquor_n from_o this_o we_o may_v allow_v that_o the_o presbyterian_a minister_n do_v baptise_v their_o finger_n when_o they_o dip_v they_o into_o the_o water_n but_o can_v be_v say_v to_o baptise_v the_o child_n because_o they_o do_v not_o dip_v they_o in_o the_o water_n but_o sprinkle_v only_o a_o little_a water_n upon_o their_o face_n mat._n 26._o 23._o john_n 13._o 26._o mark_v 14._o 20._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o plunge_v to_o overwhelm_v to_o wash_v to_o dip_v mat._n 3._o 11._o john_n 1._o 25._o chap._n 3._o 26._o john_n 4._o 1._o 1_o cor._n 1._o 17._o john_n 1._o 31._o matth._n 28._o 19_o john_n 3._o 22._o john_n 4._o 2._o chap._n 1._o 28._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v plunge_v to_o be_v baptise_a or_o dip_v by_o a_o metaphor_n it_o be_v take_v for_o affliction_n matth._n 20._o 22._o which_o be_v familiar_o read_v in_o scripture_n whereby_o affliction_n be_v compare_v to_o the_o gulf_n and_o whirlpool_n of_o water_n into_o which_o those_o be_v plunge_v who_o struggle_n with_o the_o misery_n and_o calamity_n of_o this_o life_n yet_o they_o be_v so_o plunge_v that_o they_o can_v lift_v up_o themselves_o again_o i_o may_v also_o add_v what_o those_o several_a great_a master_n of_o the_o greek_a tongue_n we_o scapula_n stephanus_n schrevelius_n and_o divers_a other_o have_v say_v concern_v the_o etymology_n thereof_o but_o the_o learned_a be_v so_o well_o acquaint_v therewith_o i_o shall_v only_o touch_v upon_o it_o they_o confirm_v what_o i_o have_v already_o observe_v from_o other_o they_o tell_v we_o in_o their_o lexicon_n that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v mergo_fw-la immergo_fw-la submergo_fw-la obruo_fw-la item_n tingo_fw-la quod_fw-la fit_a immergendo_fw-la to_o dip_v to_o overwhelm_v to_o plunge_v or_o dip_v in_o to_o drown_v or_o sink_v in_o the_o water_n to_o overwhelm_v to_o dip_v or_o plunge_v to_o put_v under_o to_o cover_v clean_o over_o etc._n etc._n and_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rantizo_n be_v aspergo_fw-la to_o sprinkle_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d aspersio_fw-la sprinkle_v now_o these_o two_o different_a word_n do_v signify_v two_o different_a action_n for_o he_o that_o be_v only_o sprinkle_v can_v be_v say_v to_o be_v dip_v or_o plunge_v under_o the_o water_n
and_o to_o come_v up_o again_o out_o of_o the_o water_n when_o they_o be_v never_o in_o it_o as_o those_o be_v say_v to_o do_v in_o act_n 8._o 38._o they_o go_v both_o down_o into_o the_o water_n and_o they_o come_v up_o again_o out_o of_o the_o water_n beside_o i_o challenge_v all_o the_o learned_a in_o the_o world_n to_o show_v one_o instance_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n that_o these_o word_n rantizo_n rantismos_n or_o rantisma_n be_v ever_o make_v use_n of_o by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o express_v that_o ordinance_n of_o baptism_n by_o for_o they_o know_v right_a well_o that_o bapto_n and_o its_o derivative_n be_v always_o make_v use_n of_o to_o express_v it_o by_o and_o where_o they_o be_v translate_v into_o english_a the_o one_o be_v render_v dip_v and_o the_o other_o sprinkle_v but_o if_o these_o man_n will_v keep_v up_o a_o practice_n contrary_a to_o holy_a scripture_n and_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o most_o learned_a lexicographer_n and_o critic_n in_o the_o greek_a tongue_n it_o be_v their_o own_o fault_n and_o not_o we_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n annotation_n act_n 8._o 38._o they_o go_v both_o down_o into_o the_o water_n they_o be_v wont_a to_o dip_v the_o whole_a body_n or_o go_v down_o into_o the_o water_n as_o here_o and_o matth._n 3._o 16._o and_o upon_o rom._n 6._o 4._o bury_v with_o he_o by_o baptism_n see_v col._n 2._o 12._o in_o this_o phrase_n the_o apostle_n seem_v to_o allude_v to_o the_o ancient_a manner_n of_o baptism_n which_o be_v to_o dip_v the_o party_n baptise_a and_o as_o it_o be_v to_o bury_v they_o under_o the_o water_n for_o a_o while_n and_o then_o to_o draw_v they_o out_o of_o it_o and_o lift_v they_o up_o to_o represent_v the_o burial_n of_o our_o old_a man_n and_o our_o resurrection_n to_o newness_n of_o life_n the_o late_a dr._n gabriel_n towerson_n in_o his_o explication_n of_o the_o catechism_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n part_v 4._o pag._n 20_o etc._n etc._n speak_v large_o upon_o it_o in_o 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