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A07435 A confutacion of that popishe and antichristian doctryne, whiche mainteineth ye ministracyon and receiuing of the sacrament under one kind made dialoge-wise betwene the prieste and the prentyse by Gracyous Menewe. Menewe, Gracious.; Becon, Thomas, 1512-1567, attributed name. 1555 (1555) STC 17821; ESTC S109986 28,308 98

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therefore_o and_o yet_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v exaggerated_a as_o though_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n irremissible_a saint_n augustine_n write_v vos_fw-la that_o as_o we_o must_v take_v heed_n that_o no_o part_n of_o the_o sacrament_n fall_v down_o on_o the_o ground_n â–ª_o so_o must_v both_o the_o minister_n and_o also_o the_o hearer_n beware_v that_o no_o word_n be_v speak_v in_o vain_a or_o escape_v without_o profit_n and_o yet_o notwythstand_v although_o many_o time_n the_o word_n be_v negligentlye_o hear_v and_o unfruteful_o receive_v sermon_n must_v not_o be_v keep_v away_o from_o the_o people_n priest_n but_o how_o can_v the_o mystical_a wine_n be_v keep_v from_o sour_a if_o it_o be_v reserve_v for_o the_o sick_a prentice_n obiec_fw-la i_o answer_v that_o your_o own_o superstition_n only_o do_v breed_v y_o e_o same_o peryll_n who_o compel_v you_o to_o keep_v or_o reserve_v the_o sacrament_n who_o have_v give_v you_o that_o commandment_n priest_n we_o must_v geve_v it_o to_o the_o sick_a prentyse_v i_o grant_v it_o but_o may_v not_o the_o consecration_n be_v do_v before_o the_o sick_a pry_a but_o the_o sick_a person_n can_v not_o always_o tarry_v so_o long_o there_o be_v many_o ceremony_n you_o know_v prentyse_v and_o this_o do_v also_o come_v of_o your_o superstition_n and_o not_o of_o chryste_n commandment_n that_o which_o chryst_n command_v may_v easy_o be_v do_v in_o a_o short_a time_n and_o with_o very_o few_o word_n gregory_n in_o his_o epistle_n testify_v and_o witness_v that_o the_o apostle_n do_v only_o use_v the_o lord_n prayer_n at_o the_o consecracyon_n but_o you_o affirm_v and_o hold_v opinion_n that_o the_o sacrament_n can_v not_o be_v make_v but_o only_o in_o your_o mass_n therefore_o these_o impediment_n and_o let_v that_o you_o allege_v