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A07646 A gagg for the new Gospell? No: a nevv gagg for an old goose VVho would needes vndertake to stop all Protestants mouths for euer, with 276. places out of their owne English Bibles. Or an ansvvere to a late abridger of controuersies, and belyar of the Protestants doctrine. By Richard Mountagu. Published by authoritie. Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641. 1624 (1624) STC 18038; ESTC S112831 210,549 373

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de_fw-fr coena_fw-la domini_fw-la this_o blunderer_n stumble_v upon_o the_o first_o false_a or_o true_a to_o purpose_n or_o not_o all_o be_v one_o to_o he_o and_o set_v it_o down_o the_o second_o quotation_n he_o leave_v out_o yet_o that_o be_v it_o which_o he_o shall_v have_v take_v for_o in_o the_o first_o sect._n 5._o de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la there_o be_v nothing_o in_o the_o second_o ser._n decoena_fw-la domini_fw-la as_o he_o will_v have_v it_o though_o it_o be_v no_o sermon_n sect._n 6._o there_o be_v thus_o the_o bread_n which_o our_o lord_n reach_v unto_o his_o disciple_n be_v change_v not_o in_o appearance_n but_o in_o nature_n by_o the_o omnipotency_n of_o the_o word_n be_v make_v flesh_n saint_n cyprian_n say_v as_o much_o as_o this_o once_o or_o twice_o before_o no_o man_n deny_v a_o change_n a_o alteration_n a_o transmutation_n a_o transelementation_n as_o they_o speak_v no_o man_n otherwise_o believe_v but_o that_o the_o natural_a condition_n of_o the_o bread_n consecrate_v 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out_o of_o the_o midst_n thereof_o by_o the_o spirit_n of_o judgement_n and_o by_o the_o spirit_n of_o burn_a then_o without_o all_o doubt_n purgatory_n burn_v apace_o the_o rather_o because_o saint_n augustine_n expound_v it_o of_o purgatory_n lib._n 20._o de_fw-fr civit._n dei_fw-la cap._n 25_o say_v bellar._n you_o leave_v we_o to_o seek_v cap._n 21_o say_v other_o so_o yourselves_o be_v to_o seek_v i_o mean_v for_o any_o such_o thing_n in_o saint_n augustine_n for_o he_o be_v belie_v in_o both_o place_n which_o touch_v not_o upon_o purgatory_n at_o all_o but_o manifest_o design_v the_o last_o judgement_n in_o the_o 21._o he_o profess_v himself_o that_o his_o discourse_n be_v whole_o thereof_o à_fw-la primo_fw-la saluatoris_fw-la adventu_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la ultimum_fw-la judicium_fw-la de_fw-la quo_fw-la nunc_fw-la agimus_fw-la and_o more_o evident_o cap._n 25._o videtur_fw-la evidentius_fw-la apparere_fw-la in_o illo_fw-la judicio_fw-la quodam_fw-la quorundam_fw-la 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aug._n lib._n 1._o cont_n cres_n cap._n 33._o &_o lib._n cont_n epist_n fund_z ca._n 5._o whether_o now_o will_v thou_o believe_v so_o great_a a_o bishop_n as_o s._n anselm_n or_o some_o other_o host_n or_o hostess_n that_o sell_v bottle-ale_n contrary_a to_o express_v word_n of_o their_o own_o bible_n 1._o 2._o 3._o thas_o tradition_n be_v to_o be_v receive_v see_v more_o shall_v then_o the_o say_n of_o some_o unlearned_a baker_n over_o bear_v great_a saint_n basil_n see_v father_n that_o affirm_v the_o same_o s._n basil_n lib._n the_o spirit_n sanct._n ca._n 27._o say_v that_o some_o thing_n we_o have_v from_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n both_o which_o have_v force_v alike_o unto_o godliness_n some_o thing_n we_o have_v from_o scripture_n other_o thing_n from_o the_o apostle_n tradition_n both_o which_o have_v like_o force_n unto_o godliness_n shall_v then_o the_o say_n of_o some_o unlearned_a baker_n overbeare_v great_a saint_n basil_n and_o consequent_o can_v err_v see_v 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