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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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naturall as thou sayes but it is spirituall and such as love it bring their deeds to be tryed by it and with it the deceits is Judged and such as dwell in the Light that Judges in the particuler where it rules them and they are united to it may with it Judge and discerne betwixt truth and errour but such as with the Light have the deeds of darknesse discovered and hates the Light the Light is their condemnation as it is thine and they that are in union with corruptions as thou art they are not able to Judge of the things of God but erre in judgement that judgeth with evill thoughts as thou dost and hast done therefore judgements is to thy head and crown of deceit pride and vaine glory thou sayes one of them sayes the least degree of Light manifested in the creature is perfect in its measure and in its self few words by James Nayler let that book also witnesse against thy subtilty which is a witnesse against thy generation and thou goes on sayes if the Light be perfect both in its measure and in its selfe then it is perfect every way thou hast here confessed that if the Light be perfect in its measure and in its selfe then it is perfect every way but thy imaginations cannot finde out the highest degree that are not subject to the lowest but acts contrary to it and so to be condemned by it for it is perfect both in respect of its truth and sincerity power and authority and condemns the haters and resisters of it but guides and leads such as love and obey it into the life and power that they are able to comprehend with all Saints what is the height and depth and length and bredth of the love of God and they are in unity the highest and lowest in their measures and degrees according to the working of the divine power of God who worketh according to the good pleasure of his will and he that hath his sins covered is blessed but thy meaning is denied and no other Christ doe we owne but Christ which is the same yesterday to day and for ever who doth perfect them that he sanctifies and the righteousness of Christ is our righteousnesse who are saved from our sins by him and we witness him to be the alone Saviour of all that obey him and perfectly able to save to the uttermost all those that come unto God by him But all thy scraped up stuffe thy twistings and windings we deny who saith the spirit is in the letter and the spirit is given by the letter and saith The true Light to wit Christ that lighteth every man that cometh into the world with his light which thou sayes is naturall and common and saith that no man could know that he hath the witnesse in himselfe but by the Scriptures and so thou would have the Spirit to be bought sold if it were in the Letter to be given by it And thou would have a letter-Saviour if the letter could give the spirit eternall life And thou would have a letter-fulnesse and no witnesse of God without the letter and if the letter should be lost the fulnesse and the witnesse would be lost and so have God to be without witnesses and his people without supply and strength according to thy account for thou sayes that none could know that he that beleiveth hath the witnesse in himselfe but by the Scriptures here thou sets the Scripture in the roome of God and of Christ gives all the preheminence to the letter of the Scripture and not to Christ and that is contrary to the Scriptures for he to wit Christ is before all things and by him all things consist and he is the head of the body the Church who is the beginning and first borne from the dead that in all things hee might have the preheminence for in him the fulnesse dwells then not in the Letter yet the Letter declares of it Colos 1.17 18 19. Concerning Quaking trembling and Growth in Grace c. Thou sayes they professe Quaking and trembling after the manner of Moses Habbakuck David Paul other and yet are some of them the most daring creatures that ever thou sayes thou heard speake or observed to put pen to paper will stand in an evill cause before Magistraces without Quaking or feare setting downe Rich Farnworth Reply 2.5 I Answer The same power that made Moses Habbacuck David Paul and the rest to Quake shake and tremble the same power wee witnesse and working out our salvation with feare and trembling God working in us to will and to doe also after his owne good pleasure and this is no contradiction to Scriptures but thou that speakes against the power of God that worketh effectually in his people as it did in them that witnessed Quaking trembling denies trembling and Quaking that proceeds from the power of God witnessed of in Scripture thou therein contradicts the Scripture and for that saying or falacy of thine where thou hast shot out thy sting in thy tayle saying we will stand in an Evill cause before Magistrates without Quaking or feare herein thou art taught thy gradations methodically in old Antichrists schoole to lye slander accuse falsely and jeere and cannot prove what thou hast said stop thy mouth deceiver and take in thy slander againe and as for being bold to witnesse the Truth against deceit that doth sore offend thee and such Scotch deceivers all deceivers such as thou art but the Lord maketh the righteous as bold as Lyons that he teacheth to profit and to grow from grace to grace to set forth his praise glory be to him for ever and where thou sayes they say they witnes the Saints Growth the time of pressing on to perfection art thou offended at that They that witnesse the same doe not therein crosse nor contradict the Scripture And where thou sayes they owne the fruits of the Spirit art thou offended also at that and doth the old Serpent teach thee to lye against the Spirit with the fruits of it them that are guided by it Rom 8.14 Gal 5 1 Joh 3. and falsely accuse them saying they walke in the most manifest fruits of the flesh in that all that feares God knows their godly conversation may witnesse against thee herein thou hast manifested thy spirit of errour deceit to be one that regards not what thou sayes as for scoffing at Scottish Priests or others that we deny but your raising motives tryalls points reasons and uses out of other mens words and speaking a divination of your owne braine for your owne ends by plaine Scripture you cannot it justifie therefore against you such deceivers as professe Scriptures to be your rule and act contrary to them we declare against you testifie and as for your formes of deceit we deny but a forme of sound words the Scripture doth justifie being
spoken by the Spirit of truth which we owne and now the time is come that deceivers such as you are cannot endure sound doctrine but utters your folly to make your selves manifest what generation you are of even of him whose comming is after the working of Satan with all deceiveable of unrighteousnesse in them that perish 2 Thes 2. 2 Pet 2. Concerning Ordinances Instructing of Children and the Resurrection Praying in familyes thou sayes they say they own with reading and instructing of Children and bringing them up in the feare of the Lord and teaching according to the Apostles doctrine proved by a short Answer to 7 Priests P 19. which thou hast cited and art thou offended at this set thy conceivings that ariseth out of thy darke minde aside and thy vaine Imaginations and close to the Truth and stand not up to oppose it wilfully least thou be found one of those that sins wilfully after grace received to whom there is no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of Judgement fiery Indignation of the Lord which shall devour the Adversaries and where thou sayes they pretend to owne all that is Gods we doe owne that which is Gods free love mercy to us and all that is Gods as Baptisme the Lords Supper Church-fellowship Sabboth The flesh of Christ the resurrection and all that we owne and what thou hast cited out of the book of James Naylers called Spirituall wickednesse in heavenly places or an answer to a book entituled Freedome of Religious Worship or the Jubile of Ordinances set forth Let the wise-hearted read that book to further witnesse for the Truth on our behalfe to be a witnesse against their deceit such as would falsely slander and reproach us and the Truth and where thou sayes there must be no Lawes concerning Religion yet says they admonish Rulers to see that their Lawes be according to that in the Conscience of every man then thou says after thou hast wrested their words by this it seemes there is no Religion in the Conscience or els why should there not be Lawes according to religion aswel as according to the Conscience Thou deceitfull Spirit how hast thou wrested the words set downe about the Law of God which answers his Justice the Light in the Conscience which answers the law of God which is perfect according to that in the conscience Let the wise-hearted read that Booke which thou hast wrested called The Glory of the Lord arising shaking terribly the earth overturning all untill righteousnesse be set up being an Encounter with the Ministers of the world touching their Maintenance wherein they are beaten with their owne Weapons confuted by their owne Scriptures and Arguments and that will sufficiently witnesse against thy lyes witnesse against to the Law of God which is for Establishing Religion and seeing thy lyes are so made manifest I shall leave this to the simple-hearted that they may take notice of thy deceits herein made manifest besides much filthinesse in thy booke of slanders where thou deceifully hast wrested our words by thy sorcery and witcheraft but Truth is cleared and thou art ensnared and proved to be the contradicter of Scriptures and not those whom thou scornfully calls Quakers This is a Testimony against that Pamphlet namelesse Author called The serious reveiw of some Principles of the Quakers IN a paper called A serious review of some Principles of the Quakers one that saith He hath ceased from man and is dead to Sects and saith There is many in this Age who do own in their judgement many parts of Truth or severall sound Principles of Religion as it were by peecemeal who notwithftanding many more things if not in the most do erre And as for error deceit under refined subtilty that is the condition of die man that saith He is dead to all Sects but he is yet alive in the opinions and stands on the ground of fancies and fil'd with conceits and catching at truths in the notion but errs not knowing the seed of God nor the Key of the true Knowledge nor the Spirit that stands before the Throne the flaming Sword nor the Cherub but is shut out of the ground of Truth grinding and making meal or provision for the Lust feeding with the Serpent upon dust and yet with his high aiery notions and coloured expressions thinks to hide himself but is bare to the single eyed He saith he shall lay down several principles of the Quakers and as he propounds them he shall refute them yet shall speak of none of them but such as be most known that they may not have it to say that he wrests their words and do bely them but in the first place thou wrests and belies the words of J Nayler and G Fox let the wise hearted read Sauls errand and the 4th page in the Answer to the perfect Pharisee and the words are not as thou hast set them down therefore thou art a perverter of them and a lyar and instead of defending the Truth thou art labouring to uphold the Deceit but those two Books shall witnesse for the Truth against thy fancy and whimsie amongst all thy scraped up stuffe this is the weight or matter that thou stumbles at as if there should be something in man that is not creared what is the seed of God that keeps such as are born of God that they cannot commit sin that which is born after the will of God in whom that seed abides which is as the winde that bloweth and no man knows by his will the manner of the work brought forth by it but he that is not of the world and what is that unction that abideth in such which teacheth them all things is truth and no lye Is that holy unction created is not that in the regenerate And the holy Ghost is that created and is not that in such and abides in them that mysterie of Faith which is held in a pure conscience what is that is it not in man and what is that which bruises the Serpents head and the mystery of godlines in man And such as are so joyned to that seed in union with that one spirit thou and the harlot are ignorant of them and that mysterie therefore thou mayst stop thy mouth for thou hast manifeded thy ignorance and knows not our Principles they are not for thee to take up to carry about in thy foul reason dirty mire imagination words that proceeds from the Principle thou imagins of but knows neither the Principle nor the Power in which we stand that knows not that there is somthing in man that is eternall therefore thou knows not the seed of God the holy Ghost the unction the life which comes down from Heaven nor that God in Saints dwells and walks according to his Promise nor that Christ is glorified in them and being ignorant of the life of God in Saints
thou must needs erre and lie being out of the living truth guided by a spirit of error and deceit thou canst do no other as for the soule which thou puzzles thy minde about thou art ignorant of that knows not the living word of God which devides asunder betwixt soule and spirit as the Scripture declareth Heb. 4.12 and the Serpent being head in thee he is ranging and raking up stuffe out of the bottomles pit to hide and cover himself withall but thou art seen and weighed and thou art offended at the Saints life as the Serpents seed ever was and all thy wrestings cannot seperate the Father and the Son asunder and he that hath the Father hath the Son and eternall life abiding it him 1 Joh. 5.11 12. and abiding in the doctrine of Christ he hath both the Father the Son 2 Joh. 9. and is changed from glory to glory into the same pure Image which thou art ignorant of 2 Cor. 3.17 18. and he that hath said the Father and the Son are one I and my Father are one doth not contradict Scripture as thou dost and also as J Stalham doth who himself pleads for bread wine as an Ordinance to last till Christ come personally upon earth and to be a substantiall Christ in that bread at institution and to have a spirit in the bread and a spirit in the Letter and to be given by it to be born of the Scripture such like stuffe as that being his conjurations and without bottome from the word and so you are those that denye Gods indwelling in Saints that knows not something eternall in them God is not created and he hath said I will dwell in them and walke in them 2 Cor 6 16. and the life of Christ is manifest in Saints bodies 2 Cor 4. and the Father the Son are in union together in them that are sanctified and preserved 2 Joh. 9. and as Christ hath said At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father and you in me and I in you Joh. 14.20 such may witnesse him and great is the admiration where Christ is glorified in Saints 2 Thes 1.10 that the same minde is in them that is in him Phil 2. Rom. 8. and that God sends the spirit of his Sonne into their hearts that they cry Abba Father Gal. 4.6 wonderfull is the love of God to his children to be admired 1 Joh. 3. which thou art a stranger unto as thou hast made thy self manifest And to thy 2d that the light of Christ is the light of the world is witnessed the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world such as follow him the true light are led by him into the Light of Life which light is the condemnation of such as hate it act contrary to it and that accusation of thine before is written to in answer to J●● Stalham thy companion in the Evill who are both acting against the truth so serving the Devill for that Booke of James Naylor in answer to the perfect Pharisee It will stand as a witnesse against you and your generation also all the other bookes which you wrested but cannot shake any child of Truth they stand upon you see you painted harlots to be deckt coloured with the whores atire you and your stuffe is fuel for the fire And to thy 4th that some are come out of the fall that we witnesse that the second Adam hath redeemed and is redeeming what the first Adam lost blessed are all they that waite for him but thou art opposing the Truth scraping up Scriptures to plead for sin to prove that Adam in a covenant of workes before he fell and contradicts thy selfe therein as before is proved makes thy selfe manifest to be in the fall and yet under the curse And to thy 5th no sin nor such imperfect thing can be reconciled to God nor enter into his kingdome is true and witnessed which thou accusest James Naylor of and to shew forth thy deceit thou sayes Reason would thinke that no perfect thing could be reconciled to God here thy reason would joine the seed of the Serpent the seed of God together but cannot 1 Cor 6.9 10 Rev. 2● 8.27 for it and thou art shut out with the Light which thou art an enemie unto and when thou hast scraped up much stuffe to no purpose then thou closest it up with 2 or 3 Scriptures as if God and sin could be reconciled together which cannot be but Christ being manifested to take away sin destroy the workes of the Devill 1 Joh 3.3 4 5. c. he is the way makes way to reconcile such to God Justifying them from ungodlinesse and sanctifying them 1 Cor 6.11 Heb. 2. for both he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren ● 11 so he that brings many sons unto glory v. 10. doth take away their sins and sanctifies them and presents them blameles and perfect before God Eph. 5. without spot or wrinkle or any such thing v 26 27. and where there is sin there is spot and wrinkle such like things and that conclusion of thine is a false one and from the spirit of deceit that would reconcile God and sin together but that soul in whom sin hath dwelt being seperated from sin is made righteous and the creature also and being sanctified is reconciled which thou art ignorant of and of the seed in him 1 Joh. 3.9 that is born of God and so sanctified 1 Pet. 1.22 23. And the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdome of god then such are not reconciled 1 Cor. 6.10 11. Gal. 5.19 20. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth but sin defileth therefore God and sin are not reconciled nor such as live and act in it and plead for it neither whatsoever worketh abomination or maketh a lye look to it ye unrighteous ones but such shall enter as are without sin and are reconciled being written in the Lambs book of life Rev. 21.27 To thy sixt That Jesus Christ is the onely Light and no other Light besides him to salvation this is one thing that thou seeks to oppose and accuse J Nayler for Oh! that ever man should be so blinde and carried on wilfully to act the Devills part as thou art thy scraped up stuffe I turn unde and witnesse against thy spirit and I witnesse that Christ is the true Light and the way to the Father and the alone Saviour of all that obey him Heb. 5.8 9. and perfectly able to save all that come unto God by him Heb. 7.25 without any thing contrary to him or the invention and divination of thy brain or such in thy nature as further is cleared before in Answer to thy partaker Joh Stalham But thou must needs