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A03418
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A letter to Mr. T.H. late minister: now fugitiue: from Sir Edvvard Hoby Knight. In answere of his first Motiue
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Hoby, Edward, Sir, 1560-1617.
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1609
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STC 13541; ESTC S104131
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yourself_o take_v in_o the_o manner_n wherefore_o i_o will_v return_v in_o a_o word_n to_o the_o justify_n of_o d._n h._n assertion_n it_o will_v be_v very_o tedious_a to_o set_v before_o you_o the_o whole_a sum_n of_o that_o pithy_a answer_n to_o campian_n five_o reason_n de_fw-fr patribus_fw-la ab_fw-la ovo_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la mala_fw-la which_o if_o you_o judicial_o peruse_v you_o shall_v see_v he_o have_v good_a reason_n after_o so_o great_a promise_n and_o small_a performance_n on_o his_o adversary_n part_n to_o conclude_v as_o he_o do_v in_o the_o entrance_n of_o that_o subject_n campian_n will_v fain_o make_v the_o world_n believe_v that_o our_o church_n have_v quite_o depose_v the_o most_o ancient_a father_n and_o doctor_n and_o that_o if_o we_o will_v make_v trial_n by_o they_o our_o cause_n be_v instant_o go_v omnes_fw-la nostri_fw-la sunt_fw-la say_v he_o in_o effect_n all_o the_o ship_n on_o the_o attic_a shore_n all_o the_o father_n be_v we_o the_o day_n be_v we_o unto_o this_o challenge_n our_o d._n return_v this_o answer_n nos_fw-la horum_fw-la patrum_fw-la auctoritatem_fw-la solummodò_fw-la veneramur_fw-la nos_fw-la ad_fw-la horum_fw-la synedrion_n sacro_fw-la sanctum_fw-la provocamus_fw-la they_o alone_o shall_v be_v our_o judge_n we_o will_v appeal_v to_o they_o and_o again_o verè_fw-la ac_fw-la propriè_fw-la nostros_fw-la patres_fw-la in_o terris_fw-la vocamus_fw-la prophetas_fw-la &_o apostolos_fw-la patres_fw-la non_fw-la à _fw-la patre_fw-la patrato_fw-la sed_fw-la à _fw-la patre_fw-la patrum_fw-la delectos_fw-la we_o account_v they_o our_o father_n who_o the_o father_n of_o heaven_n have_v set_v over_o us._n all_o the_o exception_n he_o make_v against_o the_o challenge_n be_v this_o jncipit_fw-la say_v he_o ab_fw-la aureae_fw-la aetatis_fw-la heroibus_fw-la &_o à _fw-la patribus_fw-la maiorum_fw-la gentium_fw-la sed_fw-la mox_fw-la ad_fw-la alios_fw-la vel_fw-la aenei_fw-la vel_fw-la ferrei_fw-la seculi_fw-la homines_fw-la 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i_o can_v learn_v unanswered_a that_o be_v preach_v at_o paul_n cross_n febr._n 13._o 1607_o wherein_o it_o will_v appear_v at_o least_o in_o twenty_o point_n how_o little_a countenance_n you_o have_v from_o those_o holy_a father_n with_o who_o name_n your_o frothy_a discourse_n be_v so_o stuff_v and_o your_o controversy_n bombast_v i_o be_o not_o now_o a_o opponent_n to_o urge_v the_o particular_n wherein_o you_o prove_v destitute_a of_o those_o father_n who_o be_v still_o at_o your_o pen_n end_v i_o shall_v hold_v it_o sufficient_a if_o i_o can_v at_o this_o time_n assoil_v that_o worthy_a father_n from_o your_o wrongful_a imputation_n first_o for_o his_o evasion_n campian_n have_v object_v the_o invisibilitie_n of_o our_o church_n and_o that_o we_o stand_v only_o at_o the_o reversion_n of_o aërius_n vigilantius_n etc._n etc._n for_o some_o pestiferous_a fragment_n now_o d._n h._n not_o know_v how_o to_o wind_v himself_o out_o of_o this_o difficulty_n be_v drive_v as_o you_o say_v 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