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authority_n of_o ministry_n unto_o a_o man_n how_o then_o do_v these_o administer_v which_o renounce_v some_o of_o they_o their_o former_a office_n and_o priesthood_n give_v by_o the_o prelate_n and_o as_o private_a man_n receive_v a_o nue_fw-la cal_v and_o ordination_n other_o from_o private_a estate_n be_v constitute_v elder_n by_o the_o people_n be_v this_o ministry_n now_o from_o heaven_n or_o from_o man_n 4._o last_o they_o say_v see_v their_o doctrine_n overthrow_v not_o the_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n of_o jsrael_n nor_o of_o the_o primitive_a church_n it_o can_v therefore_o overthrow_v the_o constitution_n of_o their_o church_n or_o of_o any_o that_o be_v according_o build_v upon_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o prophet_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v this_o in_o
be_v one_o in_o substance_n concern_v faith_n in_o christ_n unto_o salvation_n hâ—b_n 11._o show_v also_o great_a difference_n between_o their_o condition_n and_o we_o touch_v the_o clear_a manifestation_n of_o god_n grace_n and_o the_o outward_a polity_n of_o the_o church_n heb._n 9_o &_o 10._o &_o 12._o gal._n 4._o final_o these_o thing_n we_o never_o intend_v or_o extend_v to_o any_o further_a right_n or_o liberty_n of_o the_o people_n now_o than_o we_o find_v evident_o teach_v we_o by_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n 10._o of_o th'apostle_n that_o if_o in_o any_o thing_n we_o miss_v as_o easy_o we_o may_v in_o the_o application_n of_o those_o legal_a type_n yet_o the_o doctrine_n confirm_v by_o other_o plain_n scripture_n remain_v sound_a and_o good_a and_o such_o difference_n between_o israel_n and_o we_o we_o also_o have_v put_v in_o our_o more_o ancient_a write_n discover_v pag._n 40._o &_o 60._o their_o last_o note_n be_v in_o effect_n one_o with_o the_o first_o show_v how_o 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christ_n and_o god_n himself_o into_o jdol_n but_o these_o our_o opposite_n be_v go_v from_o the_o truth_n and_o from_o themselves_o herein_o into_o the_o tent_n of_o our_o common_a adversary_n m._n gifford_n and_o other_o who_o will_v have_v conclude_v hereupon_o a_o new_a outward_a wash_n but_o be_v refute_v etc._n by_o mr_n barrow_n and_o mr_n johnson_n once_o profess_v that_o 1_o he_o think_v he_o shall_v never_o have_v see_v any_o more_o absurd_a writing_n then_o m._n giffards_n though_o now_o he_o reason_v like_o he_o he_o also_o tell_v the_o oxford_n doctor_n that_o 113._o to_o hold_v the_o popish_a church_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n have_v a_o true_a ministry_n and_o true_a sacrament_n or_o else_o that_o they_o be_v unbaptise_v and_o must_v admit_v of_o the_o anabaptist_n rebaptisation_n be_v nought_o else_o but_o gross_a error_n and_o notorious_a absurdity_n yet_o lo_o how_o he_o now_o press_v we_o with_o the_o same_o thing_n and_o pass_v over_o our_o reason_n render_v 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