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A59899 A vindication of both parts of the Preservative against popery in an answer to the cavils of Lewis Sabran, Jesuit / by William Sherlock ... Sherlock, William, 1641?-1707. 1688 (1688) Wing S3370; ESTC R21011 87,156 120

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