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11._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 37._o sect._n 3_o but_o if_o counsel_n be_v of_o so_o great_a authority_n to_o decide_v this_o controversy_n they_o the_o most_o famous_a council_n of_o nice_a will_v strike_v a_o great_a stroke_n with_o you_o which_o in_o a_o epistl_n that_o it_o write_v unto_o the_o church_n of_o egypt_n as_o theodoret_n make_v mention_v speak_v thus_o it_o be_v meet_v that_o people_n that_o this_o be_v 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o clearg_n not_o of_o the_o people_n you_o shall_v have_v power_n both_o to_o choose_v any_o man_n and_o to_o give_v their_o name_n which_o be_v worthy_a to_o be_v among_o the_o clergy_n and_o to_o do_v all_o thing_n absolute_o according_a to_o the_o law_n and_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n and_o if_o it_o happen_v any_o to_o dye_v in_o the_o church_n then_o that_o those_o which_o be_v last_o take_v to_o be_v promote_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o he_o that_o be_v
substance_n or_o be_v of_o baptism_n whether_o 1_o pa._n 114._o sect._n 1_o he_o be_v minister_v or_o no_o that_o minister_v that_o sacrament_n pag._n 114._o and_o this_o be_v that_o mystery_n which_o you_o and_o your_o fellow_n will_v not_o as_o yet_o open_o utter_v but_o crafty_o dissemble_v until_o you_o see_v better_a opportunity_n the_o truth_n be_v your_o intent_n be_v rebaptisation_n and_o flat_a anabaytisme_n but_o i_o have_v declare_v sufficient_o the_o vanity_n of_o your_o collection_n in_o this_o place_n and_o the_o weakness_n of_o your_o reason_n touch_v this_o matter_n where_o you_o have_v give_v i_o more_o especial_a occasion_n to_o speak_v of_o it_o tract_n 9_o chap._n 7._o the._n 7._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 42._o sect._n 2._o 3._o see_v then_o that_o the_o scripture_n do_v teach_v this_o order_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o minister_n thrust_v upon_o the_o church_n but_o by_o the_o consent_n thereof_o and_o reason_n persuade_v that_o way_n and_o the_o use_n 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displease_v with_o they_o for_o so_o do_v if_o they_o seek_v his_o glory_n therein_o the_o godly_a peace_n and_o quietness_n of_o the_o church_n and_o have_v respect_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o appoint_v minister_n but_o he_o be_v great_o displease_v with_o those_o that_o make_v a_o necessity_n where_o none_o be_v and_o trouble_v the_o church_n with_o their_o own_o devise_n and_o make_v contention_n for_o external_a matter_n ¶_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o the_o people_n shall_v have_v interest_n in_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n but_o the_o contrary_n be_v convenient_a chap._n 8._o the._n 1._o division_n io._n whitgifte_n now_o that_o you_o have_v utter_v all_o your_o authority_n and_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o people_n ought_v to_o have_v interest_n in_o the_o elect_n of_o their_o minister_n &_o that_o i_o have_v sufficient_o i_o trust_n answer_v the_o same_o let_v it_o not_o be_v troublesome_a unto_o you_o if_o summary_o i_o collect_v my_o 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any_o call_v and_o choose_v his_o apostle_n and_o likewise_o the_o 70._o disciple_n who_o he_o send_v to_o preach_v 2._o the_o apostle_n acts._n 1._o alter_v this_o manner_n and_o form_n for_o they_o present_v two_o and_o the_o one_o of_o they_o be_v choose_v by_o lot_n 3._o in_o the._n 6._o of_o the_o act_n they_o clean_o alter_v this_o also_o for_o the_o people_n present_v seven_o to_o the_o apostle_n and_o they_o be_v all_o choose_v without_o lot_n the_o apostle_n also_o lay_v on_o their_o hand_n upon_o they_o 4._o in_o the._n 14._o of_o the_o act_v this_o form_n be_v likewise_o change_v for_o paul_n and_o bar_n abas_fw-la ordain_v minister_n in_o every_o city_n without_o either_o presentment_n by_o the_o people_n or_o cast_v of_o lot_n 5._o in_o the._n 13._o of_o the_o act_v it_o be_v manifest_a that_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n be_v send_v only_o by_o the_o prophet_n and_o doctor_n without_o any_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n either_o give_v or_o require_v read_v the_o beginning_n 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that_o book_n of_o confession_n and._n 5._o chapter_n he_o have_v this_o say_n worthy_a to_o be_v note_v because_o the_o multitude_n be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n ignorant_a and_o intractable_a and_o the_o 5._o beza_n lib._n con_v cap._n 5._o great_a part_n do_v oftentimes_o prevail_v against_o the_o better_a not_o in_o a_o popular_a state_n lawful_o appoint_v be_v all_o thing_n commit_v to_o the_o unbridled_a multitude_n but_o certain_a magistrate_n be_v appoint_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n to_o rule_v and_o govern_v they_o if_o this_o wisdom_n be_v in_o worldly_a affair_n much_o more_o be_v a_o moderation_n to_o be_v have_v in_o those_o matter_n wherein_o man_n be_v oftentimes_o blind_v neither_o be_v there_o any_o cause_n why_o any_o man_n of_o sound_n judgement_n shall_v exclaim_v that_o in_o such_o matter_n there_o be_v no_o place_n for_o policy_n except_o he_o can_v show_v this_o policy_n whereof_o i_o speak_v to_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o i_o think_v he_o can_v not_o hitherto_o m._n beza_n and_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o elector_n of_o minister_n and_o a_o little_a after_o he_o say_v that_o we_o must_v not_o always_o look_v what_o the_o apostle_n do_v in_o ecclesiastical_a policy_n idem_fw-la idem_fw-la or_o in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n see_v there_o be_v so_o great_a diversity_n of_o circumstance_n that_o a_o man_n can_v not_o without_o preposterous_a zeal_n reduce_v all_o thing_n in_o all_o place_n and_o time_n to_o one_o and_o the_o same_o form_n but_o it_o be_v sufficient_a if_o respect_n be_v have_v to_o their_o end_n and_o purpose_n which_o be_v not_o variable_a and_o that_o manner_n and_o form_n use_v which_o lead_v thereunto_o etc._n etc._n whereupon_o also_o i_o conclude_v that_o in_o the_o scripture_n there_o be_v no_o
your_o word_n utter_v in_o this_o place_n they_o will_v then_o no_o doubt_n understande_v that_o you_o seek_v freedom_n from_o all_o law_n of_o prince_n and_o imagine_v that_o such_o perfection_n may_v be_v in_o man_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o be_v govern_v by_o civil_a law_n but_o every_o man_n to_o be_v a_o law_n to_o himself_o and_o here_o your_o subtle_a deal_n be_v worthy_a to_o be_v note_v which_o be_v very_o usual_a with_o you_o in_o alter_v the_o case_n for_o whereas_o the_o kind_n of_o apparel_n be_v appoint_v to_o be_v a_o distinction_n from_o other_o man_n and_o a_o external_a note_n of_o their_o call_n as_o it_o be_v in_o other_o sort_n of_o man_n as_o judge_n sergeante_n alderman_n etc._n etc._n you_o as_o though_o you_o know_v not_o this_o make_v your_o reader_n believe_v that_o the_o magistrate_n in_o appoint_v apparel_n do_v mistrust_v the_o minister_n discretion_n in_o wear_v his_o own_o gear_n comely_a and_o in_o order_n as_o if_o the_o meaning_n of_o 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