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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A89836	A discovery of the man of sin, acting in a mystery of iniquitie, pleading for his kingdom, against the coming of Christ to take away sin. Or, an answer to a book set forth by Tho. Weld of Gateshead, Richard Prideaux, Sam. Hamond, Will. Cole, and Will. Durant of Newcastle. By way of reply to an answer of James Nayler's to their former book, called The perfect Pharisee: who call themselves ministers of Christ, but are found ministring for the kingdom of Antichrist. Published for clearing the innocency of the truth from their malicious slanders, and discovering their deceits. By one whom the world calls James Nayler.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1654 (1654)	Wing N274; Thomason E738_16; ESTC R202155	50,411	56

the presence of the Lord to be slanderers and false accusers who say we deny these things And whereas you would deny that you persecuted us and would put it upon those who are sent to you from the Lord to witness against your deceit as though they were the persecutors but whether those whom the Lord sent out to cry wo against the false prophets and hirelings calling them greedy dumb dogs blinde guides and many such like playn words or they who caused them to be haled before Rulers there accused them cast them into prison and put them to death whether of these were the persecutors then the same are the persecutors now as some of us can witness who have been haled before Magistrates and there vehemently accused and cast into prison and some stoned and not a few of you who call your selves ministers have had a hand in it and been the cause of it and whereas you say You have been hindred in the seed of the word I answer What word have you to sow who deny the word of the Lord coming to you but your seed being stollen makes a bad harvest and little fruit to be reaped and whereas you tell of bringing our selves within the compass of the Law for declaring our message to you from the Lord and that we suffer as evil doers here take notice whose ministers you are who have had papists Law that guarded the Jesuites contrary to the Scripture to defend you with which the ministers of Christ never had and Christ all the Saints suffered as evil doers in the account of those who were protected by carnal Laws whereas you say You are set for the confirmation and defence of the Gospel I pray you who set you since you deny the immediate call of God and so have set your selves or are set by the will of man and that the Gospel should be defended by persecution and persecutors was never known Now a few words to your reply to my answer and first to your first position as touching your accusing George Fox that he said that he was equall with God and you say your proof is not at all denied I answer That those words were spoken is not denied but that they are the words of George Fox is denied And you use many words and say I make a difference between George Fox and himself so that though George Fox is not equal with God yet he that is called George Fox is equal with God And thus when you have made up a piece of deceit to blinde the people then you go about to frame an answer to confute it and so you confute your own deceit and not my words For the sum of mine answer was this That George Fox was denied as dust but the Spirit that spoke in him is equal with God according to the Scripture and the words of Christ who saith When you are called before Rulers for my Names sake take no thought what to speak for it is not you that speak but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you Matth. 10. 20. Now George Fox being called before Rulers for the Name of Christ he denies George Fox to speak and the creature who is but dust and witnesseth the Spirit of the Father speaking in him though the words pass through George Fox and the words of Christ fulfilled And are not the Father and the Son and the Spirit equal where-ever they are and must they not be suffered to speak where they are But you that are carnal know not the voice Thus the answer is plain to any spiritual eye but to satisfie you who cavil on purpose is impossible but what I say is for the simple ones sake And I shall not follow you in your arguments for I know they shall deceive none but such as are deceived already and are willing so to be Now whereas you say I blasphemously abuse the Scriptures are you not ashamed to charge me with the abusing of them who do but onely set them down as they are without giving any meaning to them which Scriptures you take and wrest them to another end then for which the holy Ghost spake them forth adding your own invention words which the Scripture speaks not For where doth the Scripture speak of a Physical or relative oneness But by these words you darken knowledge and blinde peoples mindes lest they should seek after an oneness with God for the Scripture faith He that is joyned to the Lord is one spirit 1 Cor. 6. 17. and Christ saith That they may be one even as thou Father and I are one Joh. 17. 21 22 23. and As he is so are we in this present world 1 Joh. 4. 17. Which Scriptures you wrest to another end by your subril words added to them Now who blaspemes the Scriptures whether you or I let truth judge and your accusation fall upon your own pate And for your falsly accusing me to say I was as holy just and good as God himself what I have said in mine answer in my former book may sufficiently convince any one that fears God that I am clear of it And whereas you bring William Baldwinson's testimony which may give evidence against your selves and shew it to any honest heart both your deceit and his For before I was charged with this in particular and now you say Richard Farnworth and I both said it and he confessed there was a great deal of people in the house Now it was strange we should both say it and none hear it but himself for the great deal of people he speaks of they do witness against him in it and divers of them have offered their testimony against him But fending and proving becometh not Saints nor did they ever use it nor dare I stand by the witness of men but have the witness of God against you and your slanders who will reward every one according to their doings both the slanderer and the lyer and not onely by your reporting these but also your seeking evidence to back them herein you are serving the devil the father of lyes and so make that appear to be true which I have spoken of you Now for your charging George Fox to say he was the judge of the world and you say I deny it not but tell you that you are grosly ignorant of Christ I answer If you be not grosly ignorant of Christ and the Scripture let any wise man judge for you say God hath committed all judgement to the Son and yet you will not own him to be judge where he is wherein you go about either to exclude him from being in the Saints and so would limit him into a particular place or from being judge in them where he is Now that you are ignorant of Christ all that know him shall witness for all that know him know him in them and that he judgeth the world in them and the things of the world in every particular and he that is

sin neerer hand for whoever opposeth the end of Christs coming which was to take away sin and to set free from it and to present perfect unto the Father without spot or blemish such are Antichrists and the man of sin acts in them to uphold his own kingdom which is sin and there you are as your practise printing and preaching may witness and are discovered by the Spirit of Christ where it is though you have long acted in a mysterie for are not you the same men who have had great sums of mony for crying out against sin but now that the kingdom of sin begins to fall you have changed your voyce and tels people they must never be free from sin while they live nor ever attain to perfection and so takes peoples money for pleading against the commands of Christ who saith Be ye perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect Mat. 5. 48. Be ye holy for I am holy 1 Pet. 1. 15. 16. Eph. 5. 27. and so being found to minister against Christ he is blinde who cannot see you to be ministers of Antichrist for they who were ministers of Jesus Christ prayed and preached for the perfecting of the Saints that they might perfect what was lacking in their faith 1 Thes 3. 10. that they might present every one perfect in Christ Jesus Col. 1. 28. and bring up to perfection even to the measure stature and fulness of Christ Eph. 4. 12. and such said how can you that are dead to sin live any longer therein Rom. 6. which you deny that any can attain to perfection or freedom from sin while they are here and so are acted by a contrary Spirit to Christ and all that ever he sent forth and would make people beleeve that Christ had commanded that which none should ever attain to and those who witness it and would press others to press after it in the power of Christ such you reckon up among those you call blasphemers and heretical doctrine but all this is that you may be made manifest whose ministers you are And whereas you reckon us up among the Papists thereby to make us odious unto people but are you not ashamed of it who are found amongst them your selves in many things which you call your worship wherein we deny both them and you and they are one with you against us in persecution and revilings have not they builded the Idols Temples and you worship in them are not you one with them in observing many dayes and times and forms as sprinkling infants singing and many such like things are you not one with them in bearing rule as lords and masters over the Common People and would have to doe in ordering of the State-affairs are you not one with them as in your tythes and fat parsonages and divers other things which might be mentioned all which we deny yours and their practise as being contrary to the Saints in Scripture and commands of Christ And where is there one Papist ownes us I command you all you Priests to make your slander good or else lay your hands on your mouths in silence and confess your selves to all the world to be lyars And now to the particulars wherein you charge us to be one with the Papists I charge you to be lyars and do answer As we receive not the ground of what we practise from the Papists or you neither do we deny what is truth because they or you may profess it but shall owne it before all the world though by you we be reproached for it And first You charge us with denying Justification without us and for witnessing justification by Christ alone in us which we owne Christ in us according to the measure made manifest our sanctification justification redemption from sin and the hope of glory Col. 1. 26 27. and this we owne within us which is a mystery and hath been hid from ages and is now hid from you and the wisdom of the world as you make it appear And here he th●t sits in Heaven may have you in derision and you to be ignorant of the mystery who have shewed forth your folly For the second You charge us for being justified by inherent righteousness which word we deny it is a word of your own coyning but by being made the righteousness of God in Christ 2 Cor. 5. 21. and denying all our own righteousness are we justified And this Christ and this righteousness we witness within us in measure Thirdly you charge upon us that we say Every Saint is perfect and that it is possible to be perfectly holy and without sin and yeeld perfect obedience to the Law of God I answer To your first it is a lying slander that we say every Saint is perfect for we witness the Saints growth and the time of pressing after-perfection To your second we own it that it is possible to be perfectly holy and without sin and herein we have the Saints in Scripture to witness with us which I charge you to be ignorant of and not come to the first principles who witnessed the new birth freedom from sin and perfection Heb. 10. 14. As to your third I answer that not one jot or tittle of the Law shall pass till all be fulfilled and it was the end for which God sent his Son manifest in the flesh that by him the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit Rom. 8. 3 4. And herein we have the Saints in Scripture to witness with us The fourth thing which you charge upon us is That the Spirit is not to be tried by Scripture To which I answer That Spirit which is of God is one with that which gave forth the Scripture where-ever it is yet can none who have not that Spirit try the spirits by the Scripture for they who have not that infallible spirit that gave forth the Scriptures have the spirit of Errour and judge amiss both of Spirit and Scripture as the Scribes and Pharisees did and you do But they who have that infallible spirit which gave forth the Scripture have that which tryed the spirits before the Scripture was and such have their touchstone wit●in them and not without them and such need not go to the letter to try the spirits The fifth thing you charge upon us is to cry down the necessity of the written Word and call it a dead letter and that it is but a declaration of them that spoke it forth To which I answer Where read you of a written Word But if you thereby mean the Scriptures which we call a declaration of them that spake them forth It is true we do so and they who spake them forth witness them with us to be a declaration Luke 1. 1. 1 Joh. 1. 3. and the letter and not the spirit But that we cry down the necessity of the Scriptures is false for they are our own and we see them

judge of the world in particular he is judge of the world in general for he is but one in all the Saints who is Judge and shall be at the great day which judgements you are ignorant of who are carnal and compare it with carnal judging of Justice at the Bench and so compare spiritual things with carnal and so appear to be ignorant of spiritual things and that spiritual man which judgeth all things yet he himself is judged of no man which spiritual man being in George Fox is judge of the world but George Fox is denied for we look not upon the visible but the invisible which is the Son of God And this may serve for an answer to your reply and for condemnation To the calling George Fox the Son of God you know nothing of the Son of God as he was revealed in the Apostles but are without God in the world a nest of Serpents This Son is the same who is the Judge of the world And whereas you speak of the Angels not being this Son of God It is true he takes not upon him the nature of angels but the seed of Abraham and who seeth by this eye judgeth the deep things of God and searcheth the hearts according to that measure as he is born up And whereas you charge me with saying to one of you How should God reveal any thing to him and I not know it I answer William Cole meeting me in the way said He had a message to me from the Lord Jesus Christ but that was not a convenient place and here Cole's spirit is tryed I told him Jesus Christ was no respecter of places and therein I disowned him and his message and saw it to be deceit Whereupon I told him to this purpose If Jesus Christ should have sent him with any message to me I should have owned it for where the Spirit of Jesus Christ is that owns the message of Jesus Christ And whereas you speak of vindicating the honour of our dread Lord and his Son Jesus Christ I answer By your lying slanders of the innocent you shall never vindicate his honour for he is honoured by the truth but herein you honour the devil and do his work And here Cole's spirit is tried not to be the spirit of Christ which respects places and his message to be a lye For your Reply to the second Position That there is no distinction of persons in the Godhead Before you said it was in Saul's Errand pag. 12. and now you say you did but infer it from those words that George Fox said that it was but a busie minde But what shuffling is this Are not you ashamed to charge me with shuffling and are found in it your selves What is it that you may not charge upon us by these false inferences And when you are plainly told of it you call it rayling But your folly is made manifest to all men and the ground you go upon who slander by your false inferences and gathered up reports from the mouthes of others and give them out for truths Here I charge you Priests to be slanderers and lyers Now for your Reply to the third Position That the soul is a part of the Divine essence and you say I do not in the least deny it I answer to your charge As to the general I deny and whether any spoke it in particular or no I question there being so many lyes charged upon us from his mouth who affirms this and how shall I either deny or confess it unless I know the truth of it And if any word in weakness be spoken by one is this an honest ground you go upon to charge it upon the whole in general If any should gather up the prophane words and walkings of many in your Parish and charge them upon you would not you think your selves wronged And herein you appear to all not to do as you would be done by And for what is said of our not knowing what the soul is The endless disputes that are amongst you concerning the soul of man and what it is shall witness against you and with me before all men that I have done you no wrong and that you are ignorant of the living soul Posit 4. That Christ is in every man and in the reprobate held under corruption and in your Reply you say I charge you with lying slanders and yet confess the thing I answer That Jesus Christ is all and in all the light of the world and lightneth every one that cometh into the world without exception is confessed but that I said in the reprobate he is held under corruption which one of you said you received from me in conference that is denied And here you adde lyes to slander withal and what I said of you is true spoken not in envie nor from the fulness of my gall as you would make people believe but in plainness and truth And now you would shuffle it off to John Audland because he wrote in a letter to one that was fallen away from the Truth which he had once received That such crucified Christ within them afresh according to the Scripture But is this to say that Christ in a reprobate is holden under corruption let any judge And thus you seem to go about to make amends for wronging of me by casting the same slander fasly upon another But it seems you have a purpose to slander and some must bear it And for that expression you say I used in Edward Briggs house I deny it and witness it to be no truer then the rest and from the same root And for the Dispute you speak of at Pierce-bride and Sanderson whom you bring to prove your lyes which you cast upon me and others of my brethren who were at Pierce-bridge Decemb. 12 where Priest Sanderson came in and many rude people with him and said that God had not given to every man a measure to profit withal C. A. said Here is not one here which can deny but that Christ hath enlightned them which light is the measure of God which Sanderson denied But that any there said that Christ in some was held under corruption they that were there may all witness against him Therefore be ashamed inventers of lyes who seck others to invent them also and are lyars who say Christ is a true light but not the true light as Saunderson did there and that Christ rules in all to whom he is given for a light which is false and here I charge you all Saunderson the rest to be no ministers of Christ who stumble at the light for many say we will not have this man to rule over us and so deny the light and the Lord that bought them and this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and such abide in darkness and comprehend not the light though the light shine in darkness and here are you who deny Christ to enlighten every one that