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A65838 The authority of the true ministry in baptizing with the spirit, and the idolatry of such men, as are doting about shadows and carnal ordinances, and their ignorance of the spirits baptism (of which, water baptism was but a figure) discovered : and herein is shewed, that water baptism is neither of necessity to salvation, nor yet is it now practiced either by authority from heaven, or by any New-Testament-law that is in force upon believers, seeing the substance, and the end of things abolished is come and enjoyed, wherein the types, shadows and fingers, are ended : being a short return to a book entituled, A reply to a scandalous paper, subscribed by one Samuel Bradley, a Baptist teacher, as concerning a dispute that was between some of the people called Quakers, and some Baptists in South-warke. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1660 (1660) Wing W1892; ESTC R19780 16,493 18

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THE AUTHORITY OF THE True Ministry In Baptizing with the SPIRIT and the IDOLATRY of such Men as are doting about Shadows and Carnal Ordinances and their Ignorance of the Sprits Baptism of which Water Baptism was but a figure discovered And herein is shewed That Water Baptism is neither of necessity to Salvation nor yet is it now Practiced either by Authority from Heaven or by any New-Testament-Law that is in force upon Believers seeing the Substance and the End of things abolished is come and enjoyed wherein the Types Shadows and Figures are ended Being a short Return to a Book Entituled A Reply to a Scandalous Paper subscribed by one Samuel Bradley a Baptist Teacher as concerning a dispute that was between some of the people called QVAKERS and some BAPTISTS in South-warke Act. 11. 15 16. And as I began to speak the Holy Ghost fell on them as on us at the beginning then remembred I the Word of the Lord how that he said John indeed Baptised with Water but Ye shall be Baptised with the Holy Ghost 1 Pet. 3. 21. The like Figure whereunto even Baptism doth also now save us not the putting away of the filth of the flesh but the Answer of a good Conscience towards God by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Ephes. 4. 5. There is one Lord one Faith one Baptism LONDON Printed for Robert Wilson at the Sign of the Black-Spread-Eagle and Windmil in Martins l' Grand 1660. The AUTHORITY of the True MINISTRY In Baptising with the Spirit and the IDOLATYR of such men as are doting about Shadows and Carnal Ordinances c. SUrely the said Samuel Bradley hath had time sufficient to have studied and brought forth far more sound matter than he hath done in his pretended REPLY it being above one year and a half since the paper touching our dispute went forth when as his pretended REPLY to it came but lately abroad as to our hands and exceeding darkly as a false cover to his folly and Confusion which so long since was discovered and reproved by the Spirit of Truth in us and in this his pretended Reply hath he often Reproached and belyed us called QVAKERS even in a time in which the foggy mist is risen out of the pit to darken the Air and the Sun also if it were possible and the multitude of slanders and lyes is gone forth against us and among them is this S. B. and his work found which shall return back to perdition who hath sought to guild and smooth over his former cause as if he thought we had either forgotten his former folly that he vented at the dispute or else that he did not intend that his work should come forth to the Light to be tryed he sending it so hidenly in manuscript among his hearers Therefore note his matter as followeth and seriously read the Answer Samuel Bradley the Baptist to the Reader sayes these words viz. I must needs write my self less than the least of all Saints and altogether unworthy to engage in any work for Jehovah much more altogether unworthy to engage in a work so weighty and so such publique concernment as this is Answ. Then its evident that this S. B. is not in Gods work but in his own work he being altogether unworthy to engage in any work for JEHOVAH so note that what he hath done both in his opposing the people called QVAKERS and in his writing against them was not any work of JEHOVAH but of his own done in darkness and the enmity of the wicked one against JEHOVAH and his work And what profit can you that are the hearers of the said Samuel Bradley reap from him since he is altogether unworthy to engage in any work for JEHOVAH as also the sequel hereof will further discover and this S. B. professeth himself to be a poor labourer in the Vineyard of Christ and in the service of the Lord and thus hath he played the hypocrite and confounded himself for how can he be either a Labourer in the Vineyard of Christ or a Servant of the Lord when he is altogether unworthy to engage in any work for JEHOVAH So it s plainly manifest that he is one of them that runs the Lord hath not sent him and one of the false prophets that steal the words from their neighbours and say Thus saith the Lord when God hath not spoken to them But all the true Ministers and Labourers in Christ Vineyard were in JEHOVAHS work which S. B. is altogether unworthy to engage in and therefore he had better been silent and have done nothing than have uttered so many words without knowledg as he hath done if he had been silent his folly had not so much appeared as it now doth S. B. saith I shall count it a mercy that God hath given me such a fit opportunity to contend for the faith that was once delivered by Christ Ans. In this hast thou S. B. spoken falsly for to contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the Saints is a work for JEHOVAH but thou art altogether unworthy to engage in any work for him as thou hast Confessed S. B. Those people who are known by the name of QVAKERS undertook to prove two things 1st That the Disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ were Commanded to Baptise with the Spirit 2d They undertook to prove that New Testament-Ordinances were abolished Answ. As for the former of these assertions upon the QVAKERS so called we did say something in order to it proved it also viz. That the Disciples of Christ were in his work and had power given them to Baptise people into the Name of the Father Son Holy Ghost which was with the Spirit as hereafter is further discovered And as for the latter of them its exceeding false for we never affirmed that New Testament-Ordinances were abolished nor undertook to prove it but we opposed the Baptists affirming water Baptism to be in force as a New Testament-Ordinance from Mat. 28. 19. when there is no water mentioned but Baptising them into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost as it is in the Greek {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} into the name which Name Baptising or plunging people in outward water doth not Baptise men into for the outward baptism was but a figure of the inward baptism and so had relation to the Law and that state under it which had the Figures and Shadows and is not by these Baptists proved a New Testament-Ordinance as in force by any New Testament Law for New Testament-Ordinances as Preaching Praying Baptising into the Name and Body of Christ and other Ordinances which the Spirit of Christ leads to we own and are in the Life and Practise of them as Christ hath called us S. B. Water Baptism is an Ordinance of Christ still in force and to continue till the second coming and Glorious Appearing of our Lord Jesus Answ. Then in his pleading for Water Baptism to
the false Gods are And thus S. B's folly and Idolatrous Spirit is seen in his so confusedly setting up water baptism above the baptism of the Spirit and so he is not at all fit for Jehovah's work indeed S. B. Saith The ordinance of water baptism was Commanded to be performed in so sollemne a manner as no ordinance in all the new Testament In the Name of the Father Son and holy Ghost which notes the great honour Christ puts upon this ordinance Answ. I tell you this Baptist doth make an Idoll of water baptism when he hath said all he can for he hath here set it above all the ordinances of the New Testament but he hath apparently in this preached false doctrine for preaching the Gospel was an ordinance of the New Testament and it was done in the Name of the Father Son and holy Ghost as well as baptising seeing the Disciples were commanded to teach or disciple all Nations baptising them into the Name of the Father Son and holy Ghost so that Teaching was commanded to be done in as sollemn a manner as Baptizing for both Teaching and Baptizing into the Name of the Father c. were performed by the power of God which the Disciples of Christ were indued with and which wrought by them who were made instruments in that work of baptizing into the Name of God and Christ c. And whereas I charged S. B. and his brethren with being ignorant of the baptism of the Spirit he to prove that he is not ignorant of that baptism answers thus viz. S. B. I do demand what they mean by the baptism of the Spirit c. If by the baptism of the Spirit they mean the Spirit that doth bear witnesse that we are the Sons of God we do experinence it and are not ignorant of it Ans. What is this man but ignorant of the baptism of the Spirit when you may see here he cannot distinguish between the Spirit and the baptism of it for if by the baptism of the Spirit we mean the Spirit that doth bear witness they do experience it he saith Did you ever hear such a doctrine before that the baptism of the Spirit is the Spirit as if he had said the work that is wrought is the worker of it and thus whilst they are doting about outward shadowes and signes they are confounded and blinded that they see not the substance nor understand the work of the Spirit which baptizeth into Christ and into his Name which is his Word by which salvation comes which is a working of men into the power and life to which they are discipled and led in the preaching of the Gospell S. B. The gift of tongues is called in Scripture the baptizm of the Spirit see Act. 1. 5. again he saith we do not deny but acknowledge that we are baptized by one Spirit into one body Ans. In this he hath rested the scripture and spoken falsly for the gift of tongues is not called the baptism of the Spirit but the gift of it now the baptism of the Spirit was a work of it by which the Saints were all baptised into one body many of whom had not the gift of tongues for it was onely a proper gift to some and as for the baptists saying they are all baptized by one Spirit into one body and yet hath called the gift to tongues the baptism of the Spirit which he hath acknowledged they are ignorant of herein he would make two baptismes of the Spirit when as the Apostle said there is one Faith and one Baptisme Eph. 4. 5. and thus he sheweth his ignorance of the baptism of the Spirit and so is not worthy to engage in any work for JEHOVAH as he hath confessed S. B. We need not require an immediate Call or Authorithy from heaven to preach and baptize in as much as we have a sufficient call or warrant granted us by Christ himselfe on earth which doth plainly appeare in the Commission it self the Disciples being Commissioned c. Answ. What falshood and confusion is here For both the Papists and the hireling Priests and others whom the Baptists themselves have declared against do pretend as much for their call to preach and baptize as this baptist hath done who hath pretended the Commission which the Disciples of Christ had to be his warrant or call to preach and baptize when as he never had any immediate Call or Authority from heaven to either and so he never had any Call or Authority from God either to preach or baptize Which is like as if that the false Prophets had said the Commission which the true Prophets had to preach did Authorize and warrant them to preach also What deceiver cannot get such a deceitfull cloak as this so it 's evident that this S. Bradley is one of these deceivers who runs and the Lord never sent him and speaks when the Lord hath not spoken to him and that commission Mat. 28. which the Disciples of Christ received from him was given by Authority from heaven upon which this S. B. doth so much build and falsly argue and it doth not warrant them to baptize with water neither for it was to baptize into the Name of the Father Son and holy Ghost which Name many do professe in words who are yet out of it as this Baptist is And whereas I said to these Baptists that they practise baptism by immitation and carnall tradition without a command from Christs mouth for it To this S. B. Replies in these words viz. S. B. Let those men put a stop unto their lying tongues for fear vengeance suffer them not to live c. I demand then the meaning of these pretious words that drop out of the sweet lips of our Lord Jesus in the Commission that he gave unto his Disciples Go teach all Nations baptizing them c. Answ. Oh! how Ignorant and full of gross darkness it self art thou S. Bradley Surely thou mayest read these words to the Disciples in the Scripture Go teach all Nations baptizing them and yet never hadst any command from Christs mouth for to baptize with water as the Jewes read the Scriptures without who had neither heard the voice of God at any time nor seen his shape and such art thou who hast neither any immediate Call or Authority from Heaven to preach and therefore hast neither Call nor Authority from God either to Preach or Baptize and yet thou wouldest be counted a Minister of Christ so its time for thee to stop thy mouth for thou art one of them who are presumptuous who take upon them to speak in the name of the Lord whom he hath not sent nor commanded and such God will cut off Deut. 18. 20. S. B. I do affirm that the Baptism spoken of in the Commission in the 28. of Matthew and the 16. of Mark is the Baptizm of Water and for proof S. B. Argues thus It is not the Baptizm of the Spirit because this
Baptism is Commanded but the Baptizm of the Spirit was never Commanded nor was it any mans sin not so to be baptized therefore it cannot be meant the Baptizm of the Spirit and to this S. B. adds this Lye That we did not answer at al to this Argument Ans. This Argument is both False and Grounded upon a falshood and in it he hath confuted himselfe for mark that he hath owned That they lay no stress for Salvation upon water Baptizm neither is it of necessity unto Salvation But that Baptism which Christ Commanded in Mat. 28. and Mark 16. is of necessity unto Salvation for by it they were to Baptize men into the Name of the Father Son and holy Ghost Now without being Baptized into this Name a man cannot be saved for by no other Name under heaven comes Salvation but by the Name of Jesus who is a Saviour of the people from their sins Mat. 1. 21. Act. 4. 12. and Christ said he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved Mark 16. 16. So that there is stress or necessity upon this Baptism which Christ commanded for Salvation but so is there not upon water baptism as these Baptists confesse and therefore it was not water baptism but the spirituall baptism which was an effect of the Gospell which is the power of God which the Disciples preached for thereby they turned people from Darknesse to Light and from the Power of Sathan unto God which is known in the Baptism of the Spirit And the Baptism by which the Saints were saved was not the putting away of the filth of the flesh but the answer of a good Conscience 1 Pet. 3. 21. And whereas he saith That it was not any mans sin not to be baptized with the Spirit in this he hath spoken falsly for when men resist the Spirit of God and refuse to be led or baptized by it when it is tendred to them then it is their sin as it was the Lawyers sin to frustrate the Councell of God within themselves not being baptized of John when his Baptism was in its time a Command from heaven much more is it a sin in men now to resist the spirit of God and thereby to reject it's baptism S. B. If any should be so weak to say this baptism here viz. in Mat. 28. is meant the baptism of the Spirit I demand once more of them to shew me when and where the Disciples did obey this Command Answ. They did obey it when they Discipled and Baptised men into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost when they Ministred the Spirit and turned men from darkness to light and a Testimony of this was manifest when the Holy Ghost fell on them that heard the Disciples Preach who were Instruments with whom God wrought when they had received power from on high and they were sent into the world as Christ was sent into the world Joh. 17. 18. who baptised with Fire and with the Holy Ghost and in the same Power and Spirit they went forth Preaching and Baptising people into the Word of God which is the Name of Christ Rev. 19. 13. And moreover Peter said as I began to speak the Holy Ghost fell on them as on us at the beginning then Remembered I the Word of the Lord how that he said John indeed baptised with water but ye shall be baptised with the Holy Ghost Acts 11. 16. which doth plainly evidence That that Power or Holy Ghost accompanied the Disciples Ministry that did so baptise men which was the end of Johns Baptism in which work the True Ministers were Instruments not of themselves but by Christ the power of God in them so that their Gospel went forth in Spirit and in Power S. B. We can prove that some were baptized with water after they had received the Holy Ghost Acts 10. 46. And if these poor Creatures were not hardned in their Apostacy how might such a plain example or instance as this ingage them unto obedience Answ. How poorly do these Baptists Argue for Water Baptism to Continue who having denyed any immediate Call or Authority from Heaven either to Preach or Baptise as this Baptist hath done now would make an Example a Law to engage us to be baptised when as there are many Examples that are no Lawes so that you may see these Baptists do not baptise by any Authority from Heaven and so serve not in the newness of the Spirit but meerly Act by Tradition and their Carnal Imitations without and then why do they not as well Circumcise keep the Passover Purify in the Temple all abstein from Blood and things strangled and command men to keep the Law and shave their Heads c For there are as plain examples for the observing and doing these things from some of the Apostles Command and example after that baptising with water was spoken of Acts 10. 46. see Acts 15. 2 6 7 20 16. 3. 18. 18. 21. 24 25 24. 18. and the Apostles example of observing these things for a time hinders them not from ending in Christ as S. B. falsly intimates that water baptism ends not in Christ because it was practised after his Assention in like manner might he as well have pleaded for Circumcision outward offerings purifying in the Temple the like to continue because they were practised after Christs Assention But as people who had a zeal for these outward Figures grew into the Substance and Life wherein they ended that they were able to bear the denying of them the Apostles Preached the end of them and refused to be in bondage to them again S. B. There be two things to be considered 1st That he must be a Teaching Disciple 2d No more is required but a Teaching Disciple Answ. Which is all one as if he had said the two things required is 1st a Teaching Disciple and 2d a Teaching Disciple what no●cense is here this is but one thing And again if no more be required but a Teaching Disciple then it is not required that a Disciple should baptise with water and thus he throws all his other Doctrines for the continuing of water baptism in the dust and confounds himself S. B. Let these men know that water Baptism is a lively Representation of the Death Burial and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Answ. Where provest thou that S. B this is sure an Imagination of thy own for how can your plunging people in water be a lively Representation of the Death Burial and Resurrection of Christ sure you are not so long dead in the water when you are plunged in it as Christ was dead as concerning the flesh who was raised the third day by the Power of the Father and it is that power that baptised his people into his death and raiseth them up in the likeness of his Resurrection and not outward water touching which that which this S. B. hath affirmed it is as foolish as a Baptist Teacher's