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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A07462	A pleasaunt dialogue, concerning phisicke and phisitions	Mexía, Pedro, 1496?-1552?; Newton, Thomas, 1542?-1607, attributed name.	1580 (1580)	STC 17848; ESTC S120389	26,525	80

Hipocrates thought Yea and also otherwise if it be as Erasistratus iudged y t the blood turning backwardes to the arteries or veynes of the spirits cause inflamation and the inflamatiō causeth the moouing which we sée in the Feuer So that he shall knowe how to cure which reacheth to the originall true cause And therfore you may consider whether Arte and study of Philosophy be requisite or no so that of necessity the causes of infirmities ought to be knowen And also to vnderstand the quality and property of mettals stones trées fruites hearbs rootes and also of beasts and all other thinges which may serue to y e vse of medicine to auoyd error in their application I doo not deny but rather affirme y t experience is profitable But I presume and am bolde to iustifie that there can be no experience without some reason or cause nor yet I thinke y t our Auncestors dyd vse their simples at all aduentures without cōsideration But rather I iudge that by speculations and foresight in things conuenient they made their experience the which fyrst they coniectured to be good Therefore honour in this case ought not to be giuen to experience but rather to wisdome and counsell which was the chéefest part Nowbeit dayly are discouered diuers kindes of infirmities vnto whome experience and vse cā not serue because there can be no experience of a thing not knowen So that of necessitie it is néedefull to know by Arte and doctrine the obscure causes of the vice and corruption which the humors and members may suffer in a man besides these that are playne and open as colde heate hunger replexion and other lyke He also that will be a Phisition should vnderstand what thing is actions or naturall operations and what are those by the which we giue and take the spirit of breath we eate and drinke the place of disgestion and how the substance of our foode is deuided to giue strength to our bodies in all places Also it is néedefull to be vnderstoode why our Pulses haue continuall moouing and what is the reason and cause of sléepe watching without knowledge whereof it séemeth that he should not know how to preserue and cure infirmities Besides this men suffer great paynes and passions in the inward partes and members of the body which is a thing néedefull to be known to haue séen Anothomyes of some dead bodyes to haue marked considered the cullor the figure the bignesse the order and the hardnesse softnesse of them all Also the variety and deuision of the same members among themselues which doo ioyne together or how they giue place receyue As we reade that Erophilus and Erafistratus dyd requiring for the same purpose men that were condempned to death to prooue experience For it is a playne case that when any gréefe or interior hurt happeneth and not knowen how or where it is nor yet to apply outward medicine for the vncertayntie of the inward gréefe nor the nature reason thereof And finally for auoyding of 〈◊〉 I say that there are many necessary things appertayning to a good Phisition yea and to declare them only it is requisit that such a one be a learned Philosopher How much more to know how to put them in vre insomuch that Hipocrates sayth that a good Phisition ought to knowe the disease past to vnderstād the cure present and also to pro●osticate the thing to come So that Signor lasper if you haue harkened well vnto me you will not let to confesse that it is a thing necessary for Phisitions to haue bothe rules and precepts and that they be grounded on Sciences Artes. And as this is a thing that can not be common it is therfore necessarie to haue perticuler men Phisitions who ought to be honoured and estéemed as alwayes they haue bene And it is not sufficient that you alleadge that vices and disorders brought Phisitions to Rome for although it had so bene it séemed a speciall gyft of God who hauing sent them diseases dyd also send them remedy And againe contend and say what you lyst the Phisitions dooth not counsell any to distemper them selues but when any happeneth to be dystempered then the straunge is their owne proper and true names from their origen which is not vulgarly vnderstoode And where you speake of their Letters receypt it may be accoumpted a iest a thing not woorthy of aunswer because you know that such breuiations are vsed to auoyde perplexitie for euery Science hath his tearmes and breuiations in wryting And againe where you touched theyr varietie in iudgement the discharge is euident considering the wittes iudgemēts of men are diuers so y t with a good whole intenciō they may be cōtrary in theyr sentence and with small perill in medicine considering that one disease may be cured by diuers wayes And by this meanes Phisitions may varry and by sūdry wayes come to one ende which is the cure health of the Patient Now in this order your euyll suspition opiniō is dasht and broken in péeces by the sufficiēt reasons which I haue declared And I thinke without any more contencion you ought to cease leaue of your ar guing and because I hope you will so do I will not now procéede any further although I haue matter ynough Dun Nunio By my fayth Signor Maister although I vnderstand little yet me thinketh that Signor Bernardo hath shewed himselfe a valliant Drator so that I am nowe on the Phisitions syde I know not what Signor Iasper iudgeth Maister Velasques What he thinketh he wyll say for as yet I ought not to speake because ye haue made me Iudge his turne abydeth for him he hath also wytte and yéeres to aunswer for himselfe ¶ The second part of the Dialogue of Phisitions wherin the matter is concluded and ended Iasper I Am cleane contrary to the opinion of Signor Bernardo and wyll not consent to any of his allegations nay rather I sweare by my conscience that his own reason hath confirmed me more in my Phisition remedieth the same And where you murmure of the inuencion of Syrruppes and distylled waters and of the compoundes of medicines you are the more to be blamed For rather the wytte and aduice of the inuentor is to be praysed and to receyue the same as a good gyft mercy of God who dayly giueth vs new remedyes and medicines And if in olde time they wanted knowledge to make Syrrups and distyll holsome waters both swéete pleasaunt as now are vsed I say therein the aduantage is ours and are therfore more boūd to be thankfull to Phisitions for so profitable and swéete a thing and because it is a new inuencion it is not therfore to be despised For likewise in olde tyme they knew not was Amber Muske nor Siuitte which are most swéete and excellent Odors And also the Mytridate and compound Treacle which you reprehend The reason is because you

they procured by all meanes to darcken the thing which ought to be common and knowen of all men Then what shall I say of the diuersity of theyr doctrine and opinions The Alarbes differ from the Greekes so that among them selues they are not conformable neyther the one nor the other The order and manner of curing theyr Auicena differeth from Galenus those of antiquitie euen so much that it séemeth an other thing nor yet those of our tyme cure lyke Auicena nor lyke the other for now all consistéth in inuenciōs and opinions Yea if you call two or thrée together you shall finde each to be singuler in his iudgement But when they agrée iwis it is to the great peryll of the Patient if you heare each of them by himselfe it is a myracle to finde them conformable yea theyr receytes shall be diuers and con̄trarie each to other It shall not néede that I make any further recytall therof for dayly you see it before your eyes thereforē I will not weárie my selfe in the rehearsall Maister Velasques It should séeme that these Gentlemen ●ame purposely to debate this matter héerein to shewe theyr learning knowledge because I sée them so earnest therfore we may doo well to cut of and abreuiate theyr communication Don Nunio No Syr that were not iust that Phisitions should thus remaine without defence Yea and for my part I doo greatly reioyce to heare this talke Therfore let the conclusion be that sithens each of them hath had his turne although Signor Iasper hath bene somewhat long in his discourse let each of them haue another course and no more which shall be as one that wryteth his minde and an other that replyeth in our iudgement court And then I am to desire you Signor Maister to giue sentence who hath the right Iasper I for my part am content reseruing the benefite of appellation if the sentēce be not giuen in my fauour Bernardo And I for my part am also agréeed hauing so great a confidence in my Iustice and also in the iudgement of Signor Maister by meane whereof I binde myselfe to his iudgement and sentence Maister Velasques A harde matter is commended vnto me But notwithstanding I will saye what God shall giue me to vnderstand to make an ende of your contencion seauing lybertie to each of you to doo what ye please Don Nunio Me thinketh Signor Bernardo is ready for the purpose begin on Gods name ¶ Heere followeth the aunswer of Signor Bernardo Bernardo AT the begynning of our talke I thought Signor Iasper that you iested But when I heard you touch in Doctrine and Histories then I knewe that your argument was in earnest And therefore will I aunswere accordingly that which I vnderstand of the thinges which you haue spoken is in conclusion that you thinke there should be no Phisions in the worlde at the least such as were knowen to be and lyue of that vocation But rather you would haue vs all to be Phisitions and to cure one an other also you would not haue medicine by Arte confounded in Science nor Philosophy But onelye to followe experience and conference and the voyce of the people as though we should lyue in the Mountaynes where no pollicie nor discretion should be vsed These two principall points I meane to ouerthrowe as a begynning to the processe and then to aunswer some of the other mallices which you haue spoken In the fyrst poynt touching Phisitions it is a cleare case that you haue no reason for the name of a Phisition is holie and amyable and ought not to be odious vnto you séeing Christe our redéemer dyd not despise both to be called and holden for a Phisition when he was speaking of himselfe sayth he then for the whole folke néedeth not the Phisition And againe when he cured the eyes with clay and spyttle and when he appoynted for medicine of the Samaritan● Oyle Wine yea he letted not to cure and heale infinite infirmities and the lyke commaunded his Disciples for S. Paule Doctor of the people tooke bothe person and office of a Phisition when he wrote to Timothens willing him to drink Wine to comfort his stomacke Saint Luke the Euangelist dyd name himselfe a Phisition and letted not to giue this Office vnto the Apostles The Angell Raphaell woulde also vse this Office whē he gaue a receyt vnto Tobias wherwith he should cure and recouer the sight of his eyes So that in this poynt you haue no waye to contend because the name of a Phisition is profitable in the world And if there haue bene some Phisitions bothe false and couetous and also haue vsed of such things wherof you haue enlarged and I thereof ignoraunt you ought not iudge nor beleeue them But notwithstāding the wise and good ought not to be cast of it is a méete thing that there should be perticuler and appointed persons of so high an Office and misterie and not rather as you would to haue all men Phisitions and so to walke in confusion and inconstancie with ignoraunce of the people Truly this way is not only vnprofitable but also a thing impossible The example also of the Romaines wherewith you helpe your selfe who were 600. yéeres without Phisitions I say with you that it is true But yet through simplicitie and want of knowledge as they were at that time ignorant of learning and other Arts so were they wanting of Medicine But after they vnderstoode what Doctrine Science was and had receyued the same of the Greekes they then embraced also medicine as one of the most necessarie things And lykewise the Maisters who had sight therein and euen so dyd the other Nations of whome you spake of And where in the second poynt you will not that we follow or obserue precepts nor yet to haue Arte nor foundation of Science nor you will vs not to followe reason cause but only experiēce which you allowe and therfore you iudge euill of the forme and order which is obserued in medicines and their compound wherof I doo not lyttle meruayle Fyrst you know how naked experience is in Science holden for doubtfull and consideration iudgement dooth change in yéeres with complexion with tyme place and many other thinges And therfore it is necessarie for him that wyll cure to knowe these differences the secrete cause and discouerie of the infirmitie for it is a thing vnpossible the knowledge of curing vnto him that knoweth not whereof and where the disease dyd spring It is therefore néedefull that hée vnderstand the composture and complexcions of humayne bodies their humors which of them beareth rule and what disease thereof may growe For without doubt the cure must otherwyse be handled if you preuent the infirmyties of all fowre humors as many Wise men affyrme And contrarywise if the cause be in onely moysture as Eropilus holdes opinion according to the writing of Cornelius Celsor and others or in the spirits as