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Truth with time, or, Certain reasons proving that none of the seven last plagues or vials are yet poured out neither will the time of their pouring out begin till after the rising of the two witnesses and the fourty months of the Beast's reign be expired : likewise an answer to the said reasons with a reply further the author hath here set down (in a brief exposition) his opinion of the first vial / by John Canne.
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Canne, John, d. 1667?
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Wing C443A; ESTC R23893
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much_o in_o word_n as_o matter_n if_o well_o consider_v 4._o in_o chap._n 16.4_o the_o angel_n pour_v out_o his_o vial_n upon_o the_o water_n and_o they_o become_v blood_n but_o chap._n 11._o the_o witness_n have_v power_n over_o the_o water_n to_o turn_v they_o into_o blood_n it_o be_v not_o say_v they_o smite_v the_o water_n or_o that_o the_o water_n be_v turn_v into_o blood_n what_o may_v be_v gather_v be_v one_o thing_n but_o the_o phrase_n be_v not_o alike_o 5._o if_o the_o place_n be_v so_o alike_o in_o phrase_n why_o be_v they_o make_v so_o unlike_a in_o exposition_n the_o first_o vial_n be_v apply_v to_o waldo_n wickliff_n luther_n as_o smite_v the_o beast_n with_o their_o mouth_n and_o pen_n the_o second_o and_o three_o to_o soldier_n and_o army_n and_o so_o kill_a man_n with_o their_o sword_n and_o gun_n answ_n 3._o because_o the_o egyptian_a plague_n allude_v to_o be_v begin_v by_o the_o two_o witness_n moses_n &_o aaron_n before_o the_o end_n of_o the_o captivity_n or_o sojourn_v in_o egypt_n and_o it_o be_v very_o evident_a this_o have_v such_o a_o allusion_n rev._n 11.8_o because_o the_o holy_a ghost_n call_v this_o forty_o and_o two_o month_n egypt_n also_o repl._n if_o the_o egyptian_a plague_n by_o moses_n and_o aaron_n the_o two_o witness_n be_v all_o pour_v out_o before_o the_o end_n of_o the_o captivity_n then_o follow_v the_o allusion_n all_o the_o vial_n shall_v be_v pour_v out_o whilst_o the_o witness_n be_v in_o sackcloth_n and_o to_o say_v truth_n to_o take_v it_o otherwise_o it_o destroy_v the_o life_n and_o light_n of_o the_o argument_n for_o if_o the_o vial_n begin_v before_o the_o rise_n of_o the_o witness_n then_o must_v they_o be_v all_o pour_v out_o before_o the_o end_n of_o the_o forty_o and_o two_o month_n as_o the_o ten_o plague_n by_o the_o two_o witness_n moses_n and_o aaron_n be_v before_o the_o end_n of_o their_o captivity_n or_o sojourn_v in_o egypt_n thus_o you_o see_v by_o divide_v the_o vial_n as_o some_o to_o go_v 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witness_n to_o fall_v in_o with_o they_o which_o i_o see_v not_o repl._n either_o you_o or_o i_o be_v here_o in_o some_o mistake_n both_o to_o the_o remnant_n and_o witness_n for_o 1._o i_o do_v not_o take_v the_o remnant_n as_o you_o do_v to_o be_v the_o one_o hundred_o forty_o and_o four_o thousand_o but_o as_o i_o say_v before_o part_n of_o the_o woman_n seed_n which_o never_o flee_v into_o the_o wilderness_n against_o who_o the_o dragon_n make_v war_n rev._n 12.17_o and_o this_o before_o the_o rise_n of_o the_o witness_n and_o so_o in_o likelihood_n refer_v to_o the_o war_n in_o france_n holland_n germany_n britain_n etc._n etc._n 2._o i_o take_v the_o one_o hundred_o forty_o and_o four_o thousand_o and_o the_o rise_v witness_n to_o be_v all_o one_o for_o as_o you_o say_v well_o it_o be_v a_o testimony_n or_o witness_n not_o person_n that_o be_v slay_v the_o which_o testimony_n or_o truth_n that_o be_v the_o glorious_a cause_n and_o interest_n of_o christ_n rise_v and_o live_v again_o by_o a_o spirit_n of_o life_n from_o god_n enter_v into_o the_o one_o hundred_o forty_o and_o four_o thousand_o answ_n 5._o for_o that_o all_o the_o hitherto-plague_n upon_o the_o beast_n dominion_n do_v signify_v nothing_o if_o they_o be_v not_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o vial_n repl._n 1_o the_o conclusion_n will_v not_o follow_v for_o whilst_o the_o israelite_n be_v in_o egypt_n no_o doubt_n the_o lord_n plague_v the_o egyptian_n at_o several_a time_n yet_o they_o be_v none_o of_o the_o ten_o last_o plague_n to_o come_v near_o when_o abbey_n and_o monastery_n be_v put_v down_o in_o hen._n 8._o his_o reign_n this_o be_v a_o plague_n upon_o the_o beast_n dominion_n and_o signify_v something_o so_o have_v he_o be_v plague_v in_o france_n scotland_n bohemia_n the_o netherlands_o yet_o reckon_v no_o vial_n beside_o what_o do_v the_o goth_n hun_n vandal_n etc._n etc._n but_o pour_v out_o plague_n upon_o the_o beast_n dominion_n 2._o that_o they_o be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o last_o 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and_o magistratical_a witness_n join_v together_o i_o think_v they_o be_v rather_o the_o action_n of_o the_o antichristian_o themselves_o one_o plague_v another_o for_o worldly_a and_o base_a respect_n last_o it_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n i_o think_v to_o make_v worldly_a employment_n as_o war_n and_o fight_v the_o enemy_n a_o work_n of_o the_o sackcloth-witness_n for_o their_o work_n be_v prophesy_v neither_o do_v they_o smite_v the_o beast_n dominion_n any_o other_o way_n than_o spiritual_o though_o it_o do_v concern_v civil_a thing_n there_o be_v many_o way_n to_o hold_v forth_o a_o witness_n and_o testimony_n for_o jesus_n christ_n but_o for_o that_o place_n in_o rev._n 11.3_o 6._o it_o take_v in_o no_o magistratical_a witness_n if_o the_o thing_n be_v mere_o civil_a and_o this_o be_v plain_a in_o the_o very_a text_n they_o shall_v prophesy_v 1260_o day_n again_o in_o the_o day_n of_o their_o pprophecy_n etc._n etc._n and_o here_o it_o will_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o declare_v 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