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A50712 Observations upon the laws and customs of nations, as to precedency by Sir George Mackenzie ... Mackenzie, George, Sir, 1636-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing M186; ESTC R5733 107,612 141

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presence_n of_o king_n james_n it_o be_v determine_v in_o favour_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o viscount_n and_o baron_n but_o at_o the_o same_o time_n it_o be_v declare_v that_o such_o banneret_n as_o shall_v be_v make_v by_o his_o majesty_n or_o prince_n of_o wales_n under_o the_o king_n standard_n display_v in_o a_o army_n royal_a as_o also_o the_o knight_n of_o the_o garter_n privy_a counselor_n master_n of_o the_o court_n of_o ward_n and_o livery_n chancellor_n and_o under-thesaur_a of_o the_o exehequer_n chancellor_n of_o the_o duchy_n chief_a justice_n of_o the_o king_n bench_n master_n of_o the_o roll_n chief_a justice_n of_o the_o common-plea_n chief_a baron_n of_o exchequer_n and_o other_o judge_n and_o baron_n of_o the_o degree_n of_o the_o coif_n shall_v have_v place_n and_o precedency_n both_o before_o the_o young_a son_n of_o viscount_n and_o baron_n and_o before_o all_o baronet_n by_o which_o some_o alteration_n may_v appear_v from_o the_o rank_v appoint_v by_o henry_n 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great_a baron_n and_o the_o rest_n be_v call_v small_a baron_n in_o the_o 101._o act._n 7._o parl._n ja._n 1._o and_o ever_o since_o but_o yet_o i_o find_v by_o the_o 166._o act._n 13._o parl._n ja._n 6._o every_o earl_n or_o lord_n pay_v 2000_o pound_n for_o lawborrow_n and_o every_o great_a baron_n 1000_o pound_n but_o by_o great_a baron_n there_o be_v mean_v a_o baron_n of_o a_o considerable_a estate_n because_o that_o act_n be_v to_o proportion_v the_o surety_n to_o be_v find_v to_o the_o estate_n of_o he_o who_o find_v the_o surety_n the_o old_a baron_n or_o laird_n among_o we_o especial_o where_o they_o be_v chief_n of_o clan_n or_o the_o representative_n of_o old_a family_n that_o be_v earldom_n as_o pitcurr_n be_v of_o the_o earl_n of_o dirleton_n and_o as_o chief_a of_o the_o name_n of_o halyburton_n have_v never_o cede_v the_o precedency_n to_o knights-baronets_n much_o less_o to_o ordinar_n knight_n though_o the_o other_o pretend_v that_o a_o baron_n be_v no_o name_n of_o dignity_n and_o that_o knights-baronets_n have_v a_o special_a privilege_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o degree_n betwixt_o they_o and_o lord_n except_o the_o banneret_n and_o though_o militia_n non_fw-la est_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la dignitas_fw-la chassan_n fol._n 344._o yet_o general_o it_o be_v believe_v that_o next_o to_o knights-baronets_n succeed_v knights-batchelour_n and_o next_o to_o they_o our_o laird_n or_o landed-gentleman_n though_o a_o laird_n in_o effect_n be_v but_o the_o corrupt_a word_n of_o a_o lord_n among_o such_o as_o profess_v science_n the_o rank_v go_v thus_o uncontraverted_o 1_o o._n such_o as_o profess_v theology_n 2_o o._n such_o as_o profess_v the_o canon-law_n 3_o o._n the_o civil-law_n 4_o o._n philosophy_n 5_o o._n medicine_n 6_o o._n rhetoric_n 7_o o._n poescy_n 8_o o._n history_n 9_o o._n grammar_n 10_o o._n logic_n 11_o o._n arithmetic_n 12_o o._n geometry_n 13_o o._n music_n 14_o o._n astronomy_n chassan_n de_fw-fr gloria_fw-la mundi_fw-la pars_fw-la decima_fw-la and_o among_o these_o such_o as_o be_v doctor_n precede_v these_o that_o be_v not_o and_o among_o doctor_n the_o priority_n go_v by_o age._n in_o town_n these_o who_o inhabit_v city_n be_v prefer_v to_o such_o as_o inhabit_v burgh_n and_o general_o those_o in_o the_o metropolitan_a or_o capital_a city_n be_v prefer_v to_o all_o the_o rest_n and_o those_o who_o have_v bear_v magistracy_n be_v even_o when_o their_o magistracy_n be_v over_o prefer_v to_o all_o other_o and_o so_o far_o be_v this_o precedency_n observe_v that_o 1_o o._n a_o young_a alderman_n or_o bailie_n take_v not_o precedency_n from_o his_o senior_n because_o he_o be_v knight_v or_o as_o be_v the_o elder_a knight_n as_o be_v find_v in_o the_o case_n of_o the_o alderman_n craven_n who_o though_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o alderman_n be_v knight_v at_o the_o coronation_n of_o king_n james_n keep_v the_o precedency_n former_o due_a to_o he_o as_o senior_a alderman_n but_o though_o this_o hold_v 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that_o he_o shall_v take_v place_n according_a to_o his_o serjeancy_n and_o not_o after_o his_o knighthood_n yet_o his_o wife_n take_v her_o place_n of_o a_o lady_n before_o other_o sergeant_n wife_n the_o member_n of_o court_n do_v take_v place_n among_o themselves_o according_a to_o the_o precedency_n of_o the_o court_n where_o they_o serve_v as_o the_o clerk_n of_o the_o privy_a council_n take_v place_n of_o the_o clerk_n of_o the_o session_n in_o family_n likewise_o the_o chief_z of_o the_o family_n take_v place_n of_o any_o gentleman_n of_o the_o family_n and_o though_o general_o it_o be_v believe_v that_o gentleman_n have_v no_o precedency_n one_o from_o another_o yet_o reason_n and_o discretion_n do_v allow_v that_o a_o gentleman_n of_o three_o generation_n shall_v cede_fw-la to_o a_o gentleman_n of_o ten_o if_o there_o be_v not_o a_o very_a great_a disparity_n betwixt_o their_o fortune_n and_o that_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n almost_o that_o a_o gentleman_n of_o three_o generation_n claim_v precedency_n from_o any_o ordinary_a landed-man_n who_o be_v new_o acquire_v his_o land_n chap._n ix_o the_o precedency_n due_a to_o woman_n woman_n before_o their_o marriage_n have_v precedency_n by_o their_o father_n but_o there_o be_v this_o difference_n betwixt_o they_o and_o the_o male-children_n that_o the_o same_o precedency_n be_v due_a to_o all_o the_o daughter_n that_o be_v due_a to_o the_o elder_a though_o it_o be_v not_o so_o among_o son_n and_o the_o reason_n of_o the_o difference_n seem_v to_o be_v that_o daughter_n will_v all_o succeed_v equal_o whereas_o the_o elder_a son_n exclude_v all_o the_o rest_n but_o if_o this_o be_v the_o adequat_fw-la and_o true_a reason_n then_o where_o the_o estate_n and_o honour_n be_v provide_v to_o the_o elder_a daughter_n only_o exclude_v the_o rest_n they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v the_o same_o
upon_o the_o 20._o of_o may_n 1619._o declare_v that_o the_o lady_n of_o the_o privy_a chamber_n shall_v in_o time_n of_o mourning_n take_v their_o place_n as_o if_o the_o queen_n be_v live_v till_o the_o funeral_n be_v end_v and_o that_o the_o queen_n chamberer_n shall_v for_o the_o present_a funeral_n go_v before_o countess_n woman_n without_o prejudice_n to_o countess_n woman_n at_o any_o time_n thereafter_o it_o be_v fit_a to_o observe_v that_o the_o wife_n and_o daughter_n of_o all_o duke_n marquess_n earl_n etc._n etc._n do_v take_v the_o same_o place_n that_o the_o husband_n and_o son_n do_v conform_v to_o the_o precedency_n former_o express_v pag._n 35._o and_o i_o find_v in_o the_o herald_n office_n of_o england_n a_o establishment_n settle_v thus_o among_o woman_n by_o jasper_n duke_n of_o bedford_n and_o other_o nobleman_n by_o warrant_n from_o henry_n the_o four_o the_o wife_n of_o duke_n of_o the_o blood_n royal_a the_o wife_n of_o other_o duke_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o duke_n of_o the_o blood_n royal._n the_o daughter_n of_o duke_n of_o the_o blood_n royal._n the_o wife_n of_o marquess_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o duke_n the_o daughter_n of_o duke_n countess_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o marquess_n the_o daughter_n of_o marquess_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o duke_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o earl_n the_o daughter_n of_o earl_n the_o wife_n of_o viscount_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o marquess_n the_o wife_n of_o baron_n that_o be_v to_o say_v our_o lord_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o viscount_n the_o daughter_n of_o viscount_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o earl_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o baron_n or_o lord_n the_o daughter_n of_o baron_n the_o wife_n of_o knight-banneret_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o lord_n the_o wife_n of_o knight-batchelours_a the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o knights-banneret_n the_o daughter_n of_o banneret_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o knight-batchelours_a the_o daughter_n of_o knight-batchelours_a the_o queen_n maid_n of_o honour_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o baneret_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o knight-batchelours_a the_o wife_n of_o esqueir_n the_o wife_n of_o gentleman_n the_o daughter_n of_o esquier_n the_o daughter_n of_o gentleman_n the_o wife_n of_o citizen_n the_o wife_n of_o burgess_n from_o all_o which_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o any_o degree_n take_v place_n before_o the_o daughter_n of_o that_o same_o degree_n and_o both_o of_o they_o take_v place_n of_o the_o young_a son_n wife_n of_o the_o precede_a degree_n thus_o the_o lady_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o a_o marquis_n precede_v the_o daughter_n of_o a_o marquis_n and_o both_o precede_v the_o lady_n of_o duke_n young_a son_n item_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o next_o degree_n as_o a_o countess_n precede_v the_o lady_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o the_o precede_a degree_n as_o of_o a_o marquis_n and_o the_o daughter_n of_o a_o marquis_n 3_o o._n this_o hold_v not_o only_o in_o compare_v degree_n among_o themselves_o but_o also_o in_o compare_v family_n of_o the_o same_o degree_n among_o themselves_o as_o for_o instance_n though_o the_o marquis_n of_o dowglas_n lady_n will_v give_v place_n to_o the_o marquis_n of_o huntlys_n lady_n yet_o the_o wife_n of_o the_o marquis_n of_o dowglas_n elder_a son_n will_v take_v place_n from_o the_o marquis_n of_o huntlys_n daughter_n 4_o o._n though_o of_o old_a with_o we_o in_o scotland_n the_o wife_n of_o lord_n do_v contend_v that_o they_o have_v the_o precedency_n from_o the_o daughter_n of_o earl_n yet_o since_o that_o letter_n write_v by_o king_n charles_n the_o first_o at_o his_o coronation_n we_o follow_v the_o custom_n of_o england_n in_o prefer_v the_o earl_n daughter_n who_o take_v place_n immediate_o after_o her_o elder_a brother_n wife_n 5_o o._n though_o the_o daughter_n of_o a_o marquis_n give_v place_n to_o the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o all_o marquess_n yet_o if_o that_o daughter_n be_v a_o heiress_n and_o the_o daughter_n of_o a_o elder_a marquis_n than_o she_o take_v place_n from_o the_o wife_n of_o the_o elder_a son_n of_o all_o young_a marquess_n as_o segar_n observe_v pag._n 240._o it_o be_v likewise_o observable_a that_o since_o this_o rank_v under_o henry_n the_o four_o there_o be_v several_a new_a addition_n for_o after_o the_o wife_n of_o lord_n elder_a son_n and_o lord_n daughter_n be_v rank_v the_o wife_n of_o privy_a counselor_n and_o judge_n wife_n of_o the_o young_a son_n of_o viscount_n and_o of_o lord_n or_o baron_n the_o wife_n of_o baronet_n the_o wife_n of_o banneret_n the_o wife_n of_o the_o knight_n of_o the_o bath_n and_o the_o wife_n of_o knights-batchelours_a etc._n etc._n as_o in_o the_o former_a list._n some_o considerable_a question_n concern_v precedency_n resolve_v question_n i._n whither_o in_o competition_n betwixt_o kingdom_n state_n and_o town_n be_v their_o present_a condition_n to_o be_v consider_v or_o what_o they_o be_v former_o to_o which_o it_o be_v answer_v with_o this_o distinction_n viz._n either_o the_o kingdom_n or_o other_o place_n betwixt_o which_o competition_n be_v state_v remain_v the_o same_o that_o they_o be_v in_o their_o substantial_o and_o then_o the_o former_a precedency_n be_v still_o continue_v as_o for_o instance_n though_o rome_n whilst_o it_o be_v a_o commonwealth_n do_v sometime_o admit_v of_o a_o dictator_n who_o have_v indeed_o the_o power_n of_o a_o king_n yet_o they_o remain_v still_o the_o same_o commonwealth_n and_o therefore_o be_v the_o same_o in_o substantial_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v the_o same_o degree_n of_o precedency_n continue_v or_o when_o two_o or_o three_o kingdom_n be_v without_o any_o alteration_n unite_v in_o one_o as_o the_o kingdom_n of_o scotland_n and_o england_n 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