Grand-father is because by the right of Representation her Fathers Family comes in the Grand-fathers place And to shew that this Argument viz. Your Father had not the Precedency of me therefore you cannot have it of my Daughter is a weak Argument in cases of Representation may appear from this That if it were a good Argument the younger Earl might aswell say to that Lords Son Your Father never took the place of me so neither can you And though it may be Answered to this Argument that the Disparity betwixt the Brother and Sister lieth in this That the Son Represents the Grand-father but the Daughter does not Yet if We consider it nearly even this Answer is Fallacious For though the Daughter Represents not the Grand-father yet the Fathers Family Represents the Grand-fathers and so participats all the Honours of the Grand-fathers Family by that Representation And as the elder Brother becomes an Earl Because if his Father had lived he had been an Earl so she ought to have the Precedency as an Earles Daughter because her Father would have been an Earl for the same Reason QVESTION XVII Whether if the elder Brother be Mad or Dumb c. does the second Brother get the same Precedency as if his Brother were dead I have heard this case much Debated some Contending That such as were Incapable of succeeding were to be Reput as dead per cap. 1. an Mutis Surdis it is expresly declared that such as are born Deaf or Dumb or are naturally Idiots shall not Succeed But others thought that even these are to Succeed but have onely their nearest Agnats given them for Curatours and so they are Heirs And consequently the Precedency is not due to their nearest Friends during their Life and they may have children who would exclude their nearest Agnats I find some Lawyers distinguish betwixt such Defects as are Natural and follow the Havers from their Birth and these Defects do Exclude from the Succession so that the next Heir has the same Precedency as if his elder were dead if the Succession be of Kingdoms or Fews that have a Dignity annexed to them But in private Rights and where the Defects are Accidental they assert that the Right remains with the Heir though defectuus and consequently he retains also the Precedency Tiraquel quaest 23. QVESTION XVIII Which of two or moe Twins ought to Preceed when it is Contraverted which of them was first Born We have a remarkable instance of this Gen. 38. where the Mother desired the Scarlet threed to be bound about his wrest who should be first Born and as to this point Lawyers have differed very much For some think that the Estate ought to be devided amongst the Pretenders if it be divisible of its own Nature Or if it be indivisible the Superiour may prefer either he pleases if the Succession be of a Few Or the Decision may be referred to Lot in privat Persons Or to the Vote of the Representatives of the Kingdom if the Succession be to a Monarchy Some likewise are for the Brothers possessing by turns and alternately and though one Witness be not sufficient generally to Establish the Right of Succession yet if any one Woman was onely present her Testimony would certainly prefer either necessity forming it self into a Law here as in other cases vid. Tiraquel de Iur. primi Gen. quaest 17. QVESTION XIX Whether do Natural Children Born before a Lawful Marriage preceed And should they be preferred to the Children Born in a Lawful Marriage if they be Legitimated thereafter This case did exist in a most illustruous instance in Scotland For King Robert the second having begot a Son upon Elizabeth Mure he thereafter Married Eupham Daughter to the Earl of Rosse and had by her the Earles of Strathern and Athol after which having married the said Elizabeth Mure that Marriage did Legitimate her Children and by Act of Parliament her Children were by a Recognition and acknowledgement of Parliament preferred to the Children Born in the Lawful Marriage The Reasons pro and contra urged in that Debate at that time are now unknown But the Arguments which might have been urged in the case are 1 o. That a Son so Legitimated would seclude without all Contraversie all Uncles and other Agnats Therefore by the same he should Seclude his other Brothers § si quis autem defunctis Authent quibus mod nat cap 1. qui Filii sunt legit 2 o. Legitimation is Retrotracted and drawn back to the time of the Nativity cap. tanta qui fil sunt legit and Legitimation puts the Person so Legitimated in the same Condition as if he had never been a Bastard L. si quis Filio § pen. ff de injust Test. and this is bestowed as a particular Respect upon Marriage and its Sacred Character and to invite men to make Satisfaction for the wrong they have done 3 o. By the Roman Law those that were born in Captivity were not capable of Succession but how soon they were Ransomed and had returned they were restored to the Right of primo-genitor and preferred therein to those who were thereafter born at Rome And therefore since such was the Force even of a Civil and unreasonable Fiction much more ought greater Force to be allowed to Legitimation which is founded upon so Just and Pious Principles 4 o. Quo-ad the Right of Succession the time of the Defuncts death to whom he is to succeed does regulat the quality of the Succession And therefore since the Person Legitimated was capable of Succession the time the Defunct died and was then likewise the eldest he ought to Succeed as eldest whatever his Condition was the time of his Birth L. post Consanguineos § proximam ff de suis Legit. nec enim prius debet de cujusque conditione queri quam haereditas vel legatum ad eum pertineat L. in opportet ff de Legat. 2. 5 o. The eldest Son was always eldest and was onely hindred from this Right of primo-genitor and Precedency by the Legal imperfection of his Birth and therefore this impediment being removed by the same Law which put it his Birth-right continues intire But whether this Priviledge should be granted to such as are Legitimated by the Prince and not by the subsequent Marriage may be doubted And I incline to think it should not because the special Reason of the former Concession depends upon the Favour and Honour of Marriage and this is likewise clear cap. quoniam Auth. quib mod nat vid. Imolam in cap. Grand de sup negl Praelat And my second Argument is That the Prince cannot by any deed of his prejudge third Parties But here such a Legitimation would prejudge the Children of the intermediate Lawful Marriage QVESTION XX. Whether ought the Order of the Nomination to be Observed in Commissions where the Persons are Ranked otherwayes then can be consistent with the Kings former express Grants An instance of this may be given in
Scotland counterchanged charged with an inescutcheon of the Royal Arms of Scotland supported on the dexter by the Royal Unicorn and on the sinister by a Savage or Wild-man proper and for the crest a branch of Laurel and a Thistle issuing from two hands conjoyned the one being armed the other naked with this Ditto Munit haec altera vincit And that they and their Heirs Male should in all time coming have place in all His Majesties and His Successours Armies in the middle Battel near and about the Royal Standard for defence thereof And that they and their Heirs Male may have two Attenders of the Body for bearing up the Pale one principal Mourner and four Assistants at their Funerals And that they should be always Called Intituled and Designed be the name and title of Baronet and that in all Scottish Speeches and writings the addition of Sir and in all other discourses and writings a word signifying the same should be preponed to their names and other titles and that the stile and title of Baronet should be postponed and subjoyned thereto in all Letters-patents and other writes whatsomever as a necessar addition of Dignity and that each of them should be intituled Sir A. B. Baronet and his and his Sons Wives should enjoy the stile title and appellation of Lady Madam and Dame respectively according to the usual phrase in speaking and writing And also His Majesty did thereby promise That the number of the Baronets aswell in Scotland as the new Colony of Nova Scotia should never exceed the number of 150. albeit this number is at present somewhat augmented and did likewise Declare That He nor His Successours should never Create nor Erect in time coming any other Dignity Degree Stile Name Order Title or State nor should give the Priority or Precedency to any Person or Persons under the Stile Degree and Dignity of a Lord of Parliament of Scotland which should be or should be presumed to be Higher Superiour or Equal to that of Baronet And that the Baronet should have liberty to take place before any such who should happen to be created of any such degree or order and that their Wives Sons Daughters and Sons Wives should have their places accordingly And that if any question or doubt should arise anent their places and prerogatives the same should be decided and judged according to these Laws and Customs by which other degrees of Heritable Dignities have their priviledges cognosced and determined And finally that none should be created Baronet either of Scotland or Nova Scotia till he had first fulfilled the conditions designed by His Majesty for the good and increass of that Plantation and until he had certified the same to the King by His Majesties Lieutenant there These Patents were ratified in Parliament and were always of this form till the selling of Nova Scotia to the French after which time they were made much shorter and granted in general terms with all the Priviledges Precedencies c. of the former Baronets And in the year 1629. His Majesty did allow these Baronets a particular cognisance which will be best known by the coppy of the following Letter direct be his Majesty K. Charles the first to the Privy Council here RIght Trusty and right well beloved Cousin and Counsellour Right trusty and well beloved Cousins and Counsellours and right trusty and well beloved Counsellours We greet you well Whereas upon good consideration and for the better advancement of the Plantation of New-Scotland which may much import the good of Our Service and the Honour and Benefit of that Our ancient Kingdom Our Royal Father did intend and We since have erected the Order and Title of Baronet in Our said ancient Kingdom which We have since established and conferred the same on diverse Gentlemen of good quality And seing Our trusty and well beloved Counsellor Sir William Alexander Knight Our principal Secretary of that Our ancient Kingdom of Scotland and Our Lieutenant of New-Scotland who these many years bygon hath been at great charges for the discovery thereof hath now in end a Colony there where his Son Sir William is now resident And We being most willing to afford all the possible means of encouragement that conveniently We can to the Baronets of that Our ancient Kingdom for the furtherance of so good a work And to the effect they may be honoured and have place in all respects according to their Patents from Us We have been pleased to Authorize and Allow as by these presents for Us and Our Successours We Authorize and Allow the said Lieutenant and Baronets and every one of them and their Heirs Male to wear and carry about their Necks in all time coming an Orange tannie silk ribbon whereon shall hang pendant in a Scutcheon argent a saltir azur thereon an Inscutcheon of the Arms of Scotland with an Imperial Crown above the Scutcheon and incirled with this motto Fax Mentis Honestae Gloria Which cognisance Our said present Lieutenant shall deliver now to them from Us that they may be the better known and distinguished from other persons And that none pretend ignorance of the Respect due unto them Our Pleasure therefore is that by open proclamation at the mercat-cross of Edinburgh and of all other head Burghs of Our Kingdom and such other places as you shall think necessar you cause intimate Our Royal pleasure and intention herein to all Our Subjects And if any person out of neglect or contempt shall presume to take place or precedency of the said Baronets their Wives or Children which is due unto them by their Patents or to wear their Cognisance We will that upon notice thereof given to you you cause punish such offenders by Fining or imprisoning them as you shall think sitting that others may be terrified from attempting the like And We Ordain that from time to time as occasion of granting or renewing their Patents or their Heirs succeeding to the dignity shall offer that the said power to them to carry the said Ribbon and Cognisance shall be therein particularly granted and inserted And We likewise Ordain thir presents to be insert and Registrate in the books of Our Council and Exchequer and that you cause Registrate the same in the books of the Lyon King at Arms and Heraulds there to remain ad futuram rei memoriam And that all parties having intress may have authentick copies and extracts thereof And for your so doing these Our Letters shall be unto you and every one of you from time to time your sufficient Warrand and Discharge in that behalf Given at Our Court at Whitehall the 17. of November 1629. years The order of Baronet in England was erected by King Iames the sixth for advancing the plantation of Vlster in Ireland and these Knights have Priviledges and Precedencie much like to those above set down and there being a Contraversy for Precedency betwixt them and the younger sons of Viscounts and Barons managed in
presence of King Iames it was determined in favours of the younger sons of Viscounts and Barons But at the same time it was declared That such Bannerets as should be made by His Majesty or Prince of Wales under the Kings Standard displayed in an Army Royal As also the Knights of the Garter Privy Counsellours Master of the Court of Wards and Liveries Chancellour and Under-Thesaurer of the Exehequer Chancellour of the Dutchy Chief Justice of the Kings Bench Master of the Rolls Chief Justice of the Common-pleas Chief Barons of Exchequer and other Judges and Barons of the degree of the Coif should have place and precedency both before the younger sons of Viscounts and Barons and before all Baronets by which some alterations may appear from the Ranking appointed by Henry the fourth Beside what has been formerly observed in the description of Knights Baronets I find that of old a Banneret or a Ban-rent has been with us a title higher than a Baron for by Act 101. Parl. 7. Ia. 1. Barons may choose their own Commissioners but Bishops Dukes Earles Lords and Ban-rents are to be summonded to Parliament by the Kings special precept And it is probable that these Ban-rents were Knights of extraordinary reputation who were allowed to raise a company of men under their own Banner but now it is commonly taken for such as are Knighted by the King or Prince under the Royal Standard in time of War But I conceive that those could not now sit in Parliament upon the Kings precept the former Act of Parliament being in desuetude They have the precedency from Baronets though their Wives have not this being but a temporary Dignity and the other an heritable Barons in England are Lords with us but a Baron with us is properly he who has power of pit and gallows And yet of old I conceive that Lords and Barons were the same for the Statutes of K. Robert 1. bear to be made in his Parliament holden at Scoon with Bishops Abbots Priors Earles Barons and others his Noblemen of his Realm And in Our old Original Acts of Parliament I find that the Lords and Barons are put in one column undistinguished and under the common name Barons And in the first Parliament of K. Ia. the 4th I find the Master of Glames i. e. the Lord Glames eldest son sitting inter Barones Now the Lords are called the Great Barons and the rest are called Small Barons in the 101. Act. 7. Parl. Ia. 1. and ever since But yet I find by the 166. Act. 13. Parl. Ia. 6. every Earl or Lord payes 2000. pounds for Lawborrows and every great Baron 1000. pounds but by great Baron there is meant a Baron of a considerable estate because that Act was to proportion the Surety to be found to the estate of him who finds the Surety The old Barons or Lairds amongst us especially where they are Chiefs of Clans or the Representatives of old Families that were Earldoms as Pitcurr is of the Earl of Dirleton and as Chief of the name of Halyburton have never ceded the Precedency to Knights-Baronets much less to ordinar Knights Though the other pretend that a Baron is no name of Dignity and that Knights-Baronets have a special priviledge that there shall be no degree betwixt them and Lords except the Bannerets And though militia non est per se dignitas Chassan fol. 344. yet generally it is believed that next to Knights-Baronets succeed Knights-Batchelours and next to them our Lairds or Landed-Gentlemen though a Laird in effect is but the corrupt word of a Lord. Amongst such as profess Sciences the Ranking goes thus uncontravertedly 1 o. Such as profess Theology 2 o. Such as profess the Canon-Law 3 o. The Civil-Law 4 o. Philosophy 5 o. Medicin 6 o. Rhethorick 7 o. Poescy 8 o. History 9 o. Grammer 10 o. Logick 11 o. Arithmetick 12 o. Geometry 13 o. Musick 14 o. Astronomy Chassan de gloria mundi pars decima And amongst these such as are Doctors preceed these that are not and amongst Doctours the priority goes by Age. In Towns These who inhabit Cities are preferred to such as inhabit Burghs and generally those in the Metropolitan or capital City are preferred to all the rest And those who have born Magistracy are even when their Magistracy is over preferred to all others And so far is this Precedency observed that 1 o. A younger Alderman or Bailie takes not Precedency from his Senior because he is Knighted or as being the elder Knight as was found in the case of the Alderman Craven who though all the rest of the Alderman were Knighted at the Coronation of King Iames kept the precedency formerly due to him as Senior Alderman But though this hold not onely amongst Aldermen but that even all Knights of the Countrey being Burgesses of a Town do cede to these who have been their Magistrates in it as to publick meetings relating to the Town Yet it is doubted whether such a Knight will be oblieged to give place to an Alderman or Baily in a neutral place But it is determined in the Heraulds Office of England that all such as have been Mayors of London that is to say Provosts with us do take the place of all Knights-batchelours every where because they have been the Kings Lieutenants It is there likewlse remarked That Sir Iohn Crook Serjeant at Law was Knighted before any other Serjeant his Ancient and standing upon Precedency by reason of his Knighthood It was adjudged against him by the Judges viz. that he should take place according to his Serjeancy and not after his Knighthood yet his wife took her place of a Lady before other Serjeants wives The Members of Courts do take place amongst themselves according to the precedency of the Courts where they serve as the Clerks of the Privy Council take place of the Clerks of the Session In Families likewise the Chief of the Family takes place of any Gentleman of the Family And though generally it be believed that Gentlemen have no precedency one from another yet Reason and Discretion do allow that a Gentlman of three Generations should cede to a Gentleman of ten if there be not a very great disparity betwixt their Fortunes and that for the same Reason almost that a Gentleman of three Generations claims precedency from any ordinary Landed-man who was newly acquired his lands CHAP. IX The Precedency due to Women WOmen before their Marriage have Precedency by their Father but there is this difference betwixt them and the Male-children that the same Precedency is due to all the Daughters that is due to the eldest though it is not so amongst Sons and the reason of the difference seems to be that Daughters would all succeed equally whereas the eldest Son excludes all the rest But if this be the adequat and true reason then where the Estate and Honours are provided to the eldest Daughter onely excluding the rest they ought not to have the same
upon the 20. of May 1619. declare That the Ladies of the Privy Chamber should in time of mourning take their places as if the Queen were living till the Funerals were ended and that the Queens Chamberers should for the present Funeral go before Countesses women without prejudice to Countesses women at any time thereafter It is fit to observe That the Wives and Daughters of all Dukes Marquesses Earles c. do take the same place that the Husbands and Sons do conform to the Precedency formerly exprest pag. 35. And I find in the Heraulds Office of England an establishment settled thus amongst women by Iasper Duke of Bedford and other Noblemen by warrand from Henry the fourth The Wives of Dukes of the Blood Royall The Wives of other Dukes The Wives of the eldest Sons of Dukes of the Blood Royal. The Daughters of Dukes of the Blood Royal. The Wives of Marquesses The Wives of the eldest Sons of Dukes The Daughters of Dukes Countesses The Wives of the eldest Sons of Marquesses The Daughters of Marquesses The Wives of the younger Sons of Dukes The Wives of the eldest Sons of Earles The Daughters of Earles The Wives of Viscounts The Wives of the younger Sons of Marquesses The Wives of Barons that is to say our Lords The Wives of the eldest Sons of Viscounts The Daughters of Viscounts The Wives of the younger Sons of Earles The Wives of the eldest Sons of Barons or Lords The Daughters of Barons The Wives of Knight-bannerets The Wives of the younger Sons of Lords The Wives of Knight-batchelours The Wives of the eldest Sons of Knights-bannerets The Daughters of Bannerets The Wives of the eldest Sons of Knight-batchelours The Daughters of Knight-batchelours The Queens Maids of Honour The Wives of the younger Sons of Banerets The Wives of the younger Sons of Knight-batchelours The Wives of Esqueirs The Wives of Gentlemen The Daughters of Esquiers The Daughters of Gentlemen The Wives of Citizens The Wives of Burgesses From all which it is to be observed that the wife of the eldest Son of any degree takes place before the Daughter of that same degree and both of them take place of the younger Sons wife of the preceeding degree Thus the Lady of the eldest Son of a Marquess preceeds the Daughter of a Marquess and both preceed the Ladies of Dukes younger Sons Item the Wife of the next degree as a Countess preceeds the Lady of the eldest Son of the preceeding degree as of a Marquess and the Daughter of a Marquess 3 o. This holds not only in comparing degrees amongst themselves but also in comparing Families of the same degree amongst themselves as for instance though the Marquess of Dowglas Lady would give place to the Marquess of Huntlys Lady yet the Wife of the Marquess of Dowglas eldest Son would take place from the Marquess of Huntlys Daughter 4 o. Though of old with us in Scotland the Wives of Lords did contend that they had the Precedency from the Daughters of Earles Yet since that Letter written by King Charles the first at his Coronation we follow the custome of England in preferring the Earles Daughter who takes place immediately after her eldest Brothers wife 5 o. Though the Daughter of a Marquess gives place to the wives of the eldest Sons of all Marquesses yet if that Daughter be an Heiress and the Daughter of an elder Marquess then she takes place from the wives of the eldest Sons of all younger Marquesses as Segar observes pag. 240. It is likewise observable that since this Ranking under Henry the fourth there are several new additions For after the wives of Lords eldest Sons and Lords Daughters are Ranked the Wives of Privy Counsellours and Judges Wives of the younger Sons of Viscounts and of Lords or Barons the Wives of Baronets the Wives of Bannerets the wives of the Knights of the Bath and the Wives of Knights-batchelours c. as in the former List. Some considerable Questions concerning Precedency Resolved QVESTION I. WHether in Competitions betwixt Kingdoms States and Towns is their present Condition to be Considered or what they were formerly To which it is answered with this Distinction viz. Either the Kingdom or other places betwixt which Competitions are Stated remain the same that they were in their Substantials and then the former Precedency is still continued as for instance Though Rome whilst it was a Common-wealth did sometimes admit of a Dictator who had indeed the power of a King yet they remained still the same Common-wealth and therefore being the same in substantials they ought to have the same Degree of Precedency continued Or when two or three Kingdoms are without any alteration United in one as the Kingdoms of Scotland and England were United into the Kingdom of Great Britain under Kings in the same Race who succeeded to both as is fully Demonstrated by Alb. Gentil pag. 82. and this is likewise clear from L. proponebatur ff de Iudiciis l. 24. ff de Legat. 1. But where there is a substantial alteration called by Aristotle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vel 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 there the former Condition is not considered but the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or present condition of the places in Competition is that which ought to be considered And thus when a Kingdom comes to be Conquer'd by a Stranger and by a Strange and Forreign Nation there the State of the Kingdom is absolutely Innovated especially if the Laws of the State be altered And therefore the French Lawyers are of Opinion that the Precedency of England ought onely to be Computed from William the Conquerour Because at that time a Stranger and a Strange Nation did conquer the said Kingdom and the Fundamental Laws of it were much Innovat and if this be not an Alteration none can be For the Antiquity of Land cannot give Precedency for all Land was Created together and there are few Nations so Conquest as that the former people do not remain so that there can be no Precedency upon that account though some who are extravagant in their Zeal for their Countrey doe Argue its Precedency from the first Ages of the World as Vasquius does that of the Spanish Empire in deryving it from Tubal Cain praefatio in Contravers Illust. QVESTION II. Whether a Kingdom becoming a Common-wealth or a Common-wealth a Kingdom does their former Precedency remain This Question has two Branches wherein the Difficulties differ The first is Whether that Town or Place which was a Republick having become a Monarchy or Principality ought it to Retain the Precedency due to the former Common-wealth And that it ought to Retain the same Precedency may be Argued Because when one thing is surrogat in the place of another that which is surrogat ought to have the same priviledge with that in whose place it is surrogat surrogatum subit naturam surrogati But so it is that the subsequent Principality is surrogat in place of the former Common-wealth and
in this Point For some have been of Opinion that those that are born before the Dignity was attained cannot pretend to the Precedency due to the Father for he cannot be said say they to be the Son of a King or Marquess whom a King or Marquess did not beget And since those who are born before a Crime is committed loose not their Dignity by the Fathers committing of the Crime So by the Rule of Contraries he who was Born before his Father was Advanced to a Dignity ought not to participat of that Dignity This they found likewise upon express Laws L. si Senatus Cod. de Dignitat L. Imperalis Cod. de Nupt. and thus Darius was preferred to be King of the Persians to Artabazanes Others do more justly conclude that these are to be Preferred though Born before the Dignity was obtained For if he who was Born in that Condition can be called the Kings Son he must be the Kings eldest Son And it were very absurd that the Father should be Noble and the Son not And if a King had but one Son he could not be King if this were allowed and this is most clear L. Senatoris Filium ff de Senat. where it is said That he is aswell to be called the Son of a Senator who was Begot before the Father was a Senator as he who was Begot after And though this be true as to Succession and as to the Degree of Nobility in general yet many Lawyers are of Opinion that they do not attain to so eminent a Degree of Nobility as if they had been Born after the Father attained to his Nobility For by the former Law si Senator natus ex illustri ante Dignitatem adeptam est clarissimus solum natus postea illustris Others there are who say That these who were Born before may succeed to Honours which descended from old Predecessors but those which were acquired in the Fathers own time should onely descend to such as were Born after these Honors were acquired But now generally in Europe and particularly with Us even those who were Born before the Father attained to any Dignity do participat of his Dignity as if they had been born after the same was acquired in all cases QVESTION XIV Whether ought a Son who is in publick Imployment and Dignified to Preceed a Father who is not It is answered That a Son being in publick Imployment ought to preceed a Father who is not And thus Fabius Maximus commanded his Father to light down from his horse when he was to meet him and was praised for mantaining the Dignity of the Roman Empire in this case And the Son in this case is not a private person but Represenrs the Prince or Common-wealth who are to be preferred to any person and therefore Laurentius Celsi was justly taxed at Venice because he would not meet his Son when he was newly made Duke of Venice least by being discovered before him he should lessen the Perogative of a Father But it may be doubted Whether though this hold in Employments it ought to hold in Titles since in these the Son Represents not the Common-wealth And therefore in these cases the Laws of Nature ought to prevail above the Laws of Honour especially if there be none present but Father and Son But if there be a third person present who will take the place from the Father but not from the Son then the Son must preceed the Father because though he yeeld to his Father yet he should not yeeld to a third Party And it is a general Rule in matters of Precedency that I must preceed you if I preceed him who preceeds you which is not unlike that Maxime used in other parts of Law qui vincit vincentem me vincit me QVESTION XV. Whether may he who has the Survivance of Imployment challenge any Precedency upon that Account To this it is answered That he cannot Claim any Precedency For though there be there the hope of Succession and that the person to succeed be in actu proximo and that likewise it may seem that he is advanced to a Dignity and so ought to have a Precedency suteable to it and that it may likewise seem fit for the Interest of the Commonwealth that these should be Respected and Preferred who are marked out for the Service of the Common-wealth Yet Law nor Custom have given them no Precedency for since they have actually no Dignity nor Power they ought to have no actual Precedency And thus it was found by the Parliaments of Paris and Tholows in anno 1551. 1560. that these who had Survivances were onely to be preferred according to the dates of their actual Admission And so these who were Admitted to be Councellours or Judges after they got their Survivance ought to have the Precedency from them if they did actually administrate before them vid. Maynerd Notabil quest cap. 72. Math. de afflict deciss Neapolitan 1. QVESTION XVI Whether does the Daughter of a Lord who would himself have been an Earl if he had lived take place from the Daughter of a younger Earl It may be alleaged that the Daughter of the Lord should not preceed because an Earles Daughter should still preceed a Lords Daughter and this Ladies Father was never an Earl nor are We to consider futur Honours in the matter of Precedency And as she would not take it in her Fathers time so neither ought she after his death And as her Father himself being a Lord though an Earles Son would not have taken place from the younger Earl so neither should the Lords daughter from the Earles daughter he being a younger Earl then that Lords Father And I find by the Heraulds Records in England that Sir Thomas Lees daughter got a Warrand from the King to take place as a Lords Daughter her Father having died before his Father the Lord Lee which proves that she could not have taken place otherwise and this is commonly receiv'd in England But yet it may be Debated That the Daughter of that Lord should have the Precedency since her Father would have been an elder Earl And though she could not take place during her Grand-fathers time who was the elder Earl yet per jus accrescendi and the right of Representation she comes after her Grand-fathers death to be the Daughter of the elder Earl for Honour is but a part of Succession and therefore as she might have right to her Fathers Succession if she have not Brothers she may by the same reason have Right to the Honours And it were very ridiculous to Argue so as that her elder Brother if she had any might take place as an Earles Grand-child and that she could not take the same place as his Sister and consequently since he would take the place of that younger Earl so should she of that younger Earles Sister or Daughter And the Reason why she comes to a higher Degree of Precedency by the death of her