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A03416 A curry-combe for a coxe-combe. Or Purgatories knell In answer of a lewd libell lately foricated by Iabal Rachil against Sir Edvv. Hobies Counter-snarle: entituled Purgatories triumph ouer hell. Digested in forme of a dialogue by Nick-groome of the Hobie-stable Reginoburgi. Hoby, Edward, Sir, 1560-1617. 1615 (1615) STC 13540; ESTC S104127 161,194 284

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