a_o particular_a church_n exceed_v the_o number_n of_o they_o who_o may_v ordinary_o meet_v together_o in_o one_o place_n for_o the_o worship_v of_o god_n and_o the_o sanctification_n of_o the_o lordsday_n which_o if_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v overthrow_v m._n robinson_n m._n cotton_v definition_n of_o churcheâ—…_n and_o your_o principle_n who_o all_o keep_v to_o this_o as_o to_o a_o foundation_n upon_o which_o be_v build_v many_o of_o your_o other_o practice_n for_o we_o know_v at_o first_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o other_o church_n be_v not_o more_o numerous_a then_o to_o exceed_v the_o limit_n of_o one_o particular_a congregation_n neither_o can_v it_o be_v expect_v that_o all_o shall_v come_v in_o at_o first_o and_o we_o know_v for_o many_o other_o church_n the_o scripture_n do_v not_o so_o particular_o relate_v the_o growth_n and_o accession_n of_o they_o but_o if_o any_o one_o instance_n can_v be_v give_v it_o be_v not_o material_a whether_o first_o or_o last_o soon_o or_o late_a whether_o in_o the_o beginning_n middle_a or_o end_n of_o the_o story_n for_o then_o your_o position_n and_o assertion_n of_o a_o particular_a visible_a church_n be_v overthrow_v for_o one_o affirmative_a overthrow_n a_o universal_a negative_a and_o i_o ask_v of_o you_o whether_o you_o take_v ordinary_o here_o as_o oppose_v to_o extraordinary_a or_o take_v ordinary_o for_o common_o as_o oppose_v to_o rare_o and_o seldom_o now_o if_o you_o mean_v it_o in_o the_o first_o sense_n that_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o other_o church_n that_o may_v be_v instance_a in_o their_o case_n be_v extraordinary_a and_o though_o the_o apostle_n suffer_v they_o to_o grow_v so_o rank_n and_o numerous_a yet_o we_o may_v not_o do_v so_o now_o i_o desire_v to_o know_v of_o you_o then_o what_o be_v become_v of_o your_o first_o general_n rule_v the_o primitive_a pattern_n of_o church_n erect_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o i_o desire_v to_o know_v what_o râ—…le_n you_o walk_v by_o and_o whether_o the_o first_o constitute_v church_n of_o all_o be_v not_o likely_a to_o be_v the_o pattern_n for_o constitute_v church_n see_v primum_fw-la in_o unoquoque_fw-la genere_fw-la est_fw-la regula_fw-la &_o mensura_fw-la reliquorum_fw-la but_o if_o you_o mean_v ordinary_o in_o the_o second_o sense_n as_o that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o only_a instance_n the_o most_o if_o not_o all_o other_o church_n be_v otherwise_o that_o you_o see_v will_v not_o by_o what_o i_o have_v above_o write_v help_v you_o beside_o what_o ever_o you_o can_v probable_o allege_v that_o the_o church_n of_o these_o time_n shall_v be_v conform_v to_o such_o church_n which_o consist_v of_o no_o great_a number_n then_o to_o make_v one_o particular_a congregation_n i_o will_v give_v more_o and_o better_a why_o the_o church_n of_o a_o nation_n and_o kingdom_n shall_v be_v conform_v to_o that_o of_o jerusalem_n as_o for_o those_o phrase_n of_o you_o which_o you_o bring_v in_o by_o way_n of_o caution_n and_o clear_v the_o way_n of_o your_o government_n within_o yourselves_o that_o you_o claim_v not_o a_o independent_a power_n to_o give_v no_o account_n or_o be_v subject_a to_o none_o other_o but_o only_o a_o full_a and_o entire_a power_n complete_a within_o yourselves_o until_o you_o shall_v be_v challenge_v to_o err_v gross_o while_o in_o these_o first_o line_n you_o deny_v independent_a power_n in_o word_n yet_o in_o your_o latter_a word_n you_o grant_v it_o claim_v a_o full_a and_o entire_a power_n complete_a within_o yourselves_o which_o be_v independent_a power_n and_o be_v the_o full_a sense_n of_o that_o which_o have_v be_v fasten_v on_o you_o by_o we_o and_o i_o will_v show_v it_o more_o full_o in_o the_o proper_a place_n when_o i_o come_v to_o the_o 23._o page_n especial_o if_o you_o take_v upon_o you_o to_o enjoy_v it_o so_o long_o until_o you_o shall_v be_v challenge_v to_o err_v gross_o i_o have_v think_v it_o have_v be_v enough_o upon_o your_o be_v challenge_v to_o err_v to_o have_v give_v a_o account_n but_o belike_o it_o must_v be_v err_v gross_o i_o suspect_v something_o lie_v under_o this_o as_o under_o many_o other_o of_o your_o phrase_n whereby_o you_o evade_v and_o hide_v yourselves_o state_v point_n wrongful_o pray_v what_o do_v you_o account_v err_v gross_o and_o whether_o do_v you_o judge_v any_o thing_n err_v gross_o in_o your_o particular_a church_n but_o such_o kind_n of_o sin_n in_o manner_n and_o such_o kind_n of_o opinion_n as_o be_v against_o the_o church_n know_v light_n and_o the_o common_a receive_v practice_n and_o principle_n of_o christianity_n profess_v by_o the_o church_n themselves_o and_o universal_o acknowledge_v in_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n and_o no_o other_o sin_n to_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o give_v a_o account_n as_o they_o be_v not_o of_o excommunication_n with_o you_o page_z 9_o both_o be_v of_o equal_a latitude_n sin_n of_o particular_a person_n to_o a_o church_n and_o the_o sin_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n to_o a_o community_n of_o church_n and_o if_o that_o be_v your_o meaning_n you_o shall_v be_v independent_a enough_o and_o then_o further_o i_o demand_v of_o you_o how_o you_o can_v use_v those_o phrase_n of_o not_o claim_v a_o power_n to_o be_v subject_a to_o none_o other_o i_o confess_v you_o may_v better_o use_v those_o word_n of_o give_v account_n hold_v counsel_v and_o advise_v by_o sister-churche_n but_o as_o for_o that_o phrase_n of_o subject_v to_o none_o other_o i_o understand_v it_o not_o what_o censure_n will_v your_o church_n subject_n unto_o from_o other_o church_n will_v they_o yield_v to_o the_o deposition_n of_o their_o minister_n excommunication_n of_o their_o member_n etc._n etc._n or_o how_o can_v there_o be_v any_o subjection_n to_o other_o church_n in_o your_o principle_n the_o phrase_n be_v take_v proper_o and_o usual_o when_o as_o all_o along_o you_o plead_v against_o authoritative_a presbyterial_a power_n so_o oft_o express_v in_o page_n 15_o 16._o and_o be_v the_o great_a point_n in_o controversy_n in_o this_o instance_n betwixt_o you_o and_o the_o presbyterian_o how_o oft_o do_v you_o deny_v the_o subjection_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n to_o all_o other_o church_n and_o be_v against_o all_o subject_n to_o censure_n yea_o to_o be_v subject_v as_o to_o counsel_n and_o advice_n from_o the_o other_o church_n as_o to_o that_o phrase_n your_o own_o elder_n whereof_o you_o have_v three_o at_o least_o in_o each_o congregation_n who_o you_o be_v subject_a to_o in_o which_o you_o seem_v to_o hold_v out_o the_o government_n and_o power_n of_o the_o church_n to_o lie_v in_o the_o elder_n and_o not_o in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n i_o desire_v you_o to_o satisfy_v i_o in_o this_o point_n whether_o all_o of_o you_o hold_v the_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o be_v in_o the_o elder_n or_o in_o the_o church_n and_o whether_o by_o go_v tell_v the_o church_n be_v mean_v tell_v the_o elder_n or_o the_o body_n officer_n of_o the_o congregation_n and_o whether_o according_a to_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o churchway_n in_o m._n robinson_n work_n and_o the_o book_n of_o new-england_n and_o m._n bridges_n own_o letter_n unless_o some_o of_o you_o have_v late_o see_v another_o light_n you_o may_v have_v true_o write_v three_o elder_n at_o least_o in_o every_o congregation_n to_o who_o the_o congregation_n be_v subject_a or_o else_o three_o elder_n who_o be_v subject_a to_o their_o own_o congregation_n and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o answer_v to_o the_o first_o head_n of_o the_o five_o concern_v the_o three_o instance_n to_o the_o second_o head_n under_o this_o three_o instance_n what_o you_o be_v not_o satisfy_v in_o nor_o can_v allow_v 1._o about_o particular_a visible_a church_n that_o you_o can_v not_o imagine_v in_o every_o city_n where_o the_o apostle_n come_v the_o number_n of_o the_o convert_n do_v or_o shall_v arise_v to_o such_o a_o multitude_n as_o to_o make_v several_a and_o sundry_a congregation_n 2._o about_o the_o government_n of_o it_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v the_o institution_n of_o christ_n or_o his_o apostle_n that_o the_o combination_n of_o the_o elder_n of_o many_o church_n shall_v be_v the_o first_o complete_a and_o entire_a seat_n of_o church_n power_n over_o each_o congregation_n so_o combine_v or_o that_o they_o can_v challenge_v and_o assume_v that_o authority_n over_o those_o church_n they_o teach_v not_o etc._n etc._n in_o both_o these_o you_o deal_v fallacious_o and_o relate_v the_o controversy_n to_o your_o advantage_n and_o our_o disadvantage_n for_o the_o first_o whereas_o have_v you_o deal_v ingenuous_o your_o word_n shall_v have_v be_v these_o for_o that_o in_o any_o city_n where_o the_o apostle_n come_v the_o number_n of_o convert_n do_v or_o shall_v arise_v to_o such_o a_o multitude_n as_o to_o make_v several_a and_o sundry_a congregation_n you_o
infallible_o and_o necessary_o a_o particular_a church_n to_o exceed_v the_o limit_n of_o one_o particular_a congregation_n yet_o they_o never_o intend_v it_o as_o against_o the_o reform_a church_n now_o you_o know_v the_o say_n authoris_fw-la aliud_fw-la agentis_fw-la parva_fw-la est_fw-la authâ—…ritas_fw-la but_o show_v we_o where_o ever_o the_o old_a non-conformists'_a as_o against_o the_o reform_a church_n hold_v so_o it_o will_v appear_v by_o gerson_n bucerus_n and_o by_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n in_o geneva_n amplitudinâ—…_n and_o holland_n for_o which_o mr_n robinson_n so_o object_n against_o they_o in_o his_o apology_n that_o though_o they_o be_v against_o the_o government_n of_o bishop_n and_o diocesan_n church_n that_o be_v of_o a_o head_n church_n over_o many_o congregation_n unite_v to_o it_o yet_o not_o of_o a_o particular_a church_n of_o such_o a_o city_n consist_v of_o many_o particular_a congregation_n and_o as_o for_o that_o you_o take_v for_o grant_v by_o all_o that_o there_o shall_v be_v several_a elder_n in_o every_o congregation_n it_o be_v deny_v you_o for_o some_o divine_n as_o danaeus_n and_o cartwright_n as_o i_o remember_v hold_v it_o not_o necessary_a for_o every_o small_a congregation_n in_o village_n but_o for_o city_n and_o more_o populous_a place_n to_o which_o the_o lesser_a village_n be_v conjoin_v have_v the_o benefit_n and_o support_v of_o all_o the_o elder_n and_o minister_n in_o the_o exercise_v of_o government_n as_o for_o that_o you_o say_v other_o of_o they_o call_v the_o combination_n of_o church_n ecclesiae_fw-la ortae_fw-la but_o particular_a congregation_n ecclesiae_fw-la primae_fw-la as_o wherein_o first_o the_o power_n and_o privilege_n of_o a_o church_n be_v to_o be_v exercise_v that_o other_o be_v â—…2_n mr_n parker_n who_o in_o his_o politia_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la give_v we_o this_o distinction_n and_o be_v the_o first_o who_o bring_v it_o up_o as_o ever_o i_o read_v of_o who_o differ_v from_o mr_n baynes_n and_o other_o non-conformists'_a and_o most_o divine_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n in_o the_o subject_n of_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n give_v it_o to_o the_o 1._o body_n of_o the_o church_n agree_v therein_o too_o much_o with_o you_o no_o wonder_n he_o call_v particular_a congregation_n ecclesiae_fw-la primae_fw-la but_o as_o he_o be_v mistake_v in_o the_o first_o receptacle_n and_o subject_n of_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n so_o he_o may_v be_v in_o his_o distinction_n of_o ecclesiae_fw-la primae_fw-la and_o ortae_fw-la for_o the_o first_o church_n namely_o that_o of_o jerusalem_n rome_n ephesus_n with_o other_o be_v not_o particular_a congregation_n but_o church_n consist_v of_o many_o congregation_n several_a meeting_n place_n some_o preach_n in_o one_o place_n and_o other_o in_o other_o place_n but_o govern_v by_o the_o elder_n in_o common_a which_o city_n church_n be_v the_o first_o church_n still_o first_o plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o particular_a congregation_n in_o village_n be_v ecclesiae_fw-la ortae_fw-la the_o city_n church_n in_o this_o sense_n be_v the_o mother_n and_o the_o particular_a congregation_n rather_o the_o daughter_n the_o full_a proof_n and_o demonstration_n whereof_o i_o refer_v to_o a_o tractate_n i_o intend_v about_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n but_o by_o what_o i_o have_v answer_v upon_o this_o head_n the_o reader_n separation_n may_v observe_v there_o be_v not_o all_o grant_v which_o you_o take_v for_o grant_v from_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o the_o nonconformist_n and_o what_o be_v yield_v slow_v from_o another_o spring_n and_o be_v upon_o another_o ground_n write_v against_o diocesan_n bishop_n quite_o another_o controversy_n but_o otherwise_o even_o when_o nonconformist_n have_v come_v to_o write_v against_o the_o separation_n and_o upon_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n as_o mr_n ball_n a_o they_o hold_v the_o contrary_n and_o for_o learned_a man_n of_o other_o church_n even_o when_o they_o write_v against_o episcopacy_n yet_o they_o be_v far_o from_o hold_v that_o a_o particular_a visible_a church_n be_v only_o a_o particular_a congregation_n pertinens_fw-la as_o gersom_a bucerus_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o d_o â—_o downham_n a_o particular_a church_n be_v any_o company_n of_o believer_n conjoin_v in_o the_o observation_n of_o holy_a ordinance_n and_o unite_a to_o one_o presbytery_n keep_v their_o meeting_n in_o one_o or_o more_o place_n for_o the_o number_n of_o parish_n in_o which_o they_o meet_v be_v a_o thing_n accidental_a be_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o even_o the_o nonconformist_n you_o speak_v of_o as_o it_o appear_v by_o the_o wary_a expression_n yourselves_o use_v of_o they_o namely_o infallible_o and_o necessary_o do_v even_o give_v the_o cause_n for_o that_o be_v as_o you_o imply_v the_o nonconformist_n in_o their_o answer_n can_v not_o deny_v but_o probable_o the_o number_n of_o believer_n be_v so_o numerous_a as_o to_o exceed_v the_o limit_n of_o one_o particular_a congregation_n in_o those_o first_o timâ—…s_n though_o not_o infallible_o and_o rational_o though_o not_o necessary_o now_o in_o point_n of_o external_a order_n and_o government_n which_o depend_v upon_o the_o story_n and_o circumstance_n of_o time_n and_o place_n how_o many_o thing_n be_v there_o practise_v but_o of_o presumption_n though_o not_o of_o certainty_n and_o though_o they_o can_v be_v infallible_o and_o necessary_o prove_v so_o as_o to_o stop_v all_o mouth_n and_o all_o that_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n can_v possible_o find_v out_o yet_o if_o the_o thing_n assert_v can_v be_v but_o probable_o prove_v upon_o better_a reason_n then_o the_o contrary_a we_o may_v incline_v to_o that_o as_o to_o the_o safe_a part_n how_o many_o practice_n and_o tenant_n have_v you_o in_o your_o churchway_n that_o can_v be_v infallible_o and_o necessary_o prove_v but_o strong_a answer_n may_v be_v and_o be_v give_v to_o the_o reason_n you_o bring_v for_o they_o than_o any_o the_o nonconformist_n can_v give_v to_o that_o instance_n of_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o yet_o you_o hold_v to_o your_o principle_n for_o all_o that_o and_o it_o be_v a_o rule_n have_v be_v plead_v by_o some_o of_o you_o that_o in_o thing_n of_o that_o nature_n where_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o express_v but_o hold_v they_o out_o most_o probable_o though_o not_o infallible_o and_o necessary_o yet_o we_o ought_v to_o incline_v to_o that_o as_o for_o mr_n baynes_n answer_n though_o direct_v against_o diocesan_n bishop_n and_o diocesan_n church_n to_o that_o instance_n of_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n it_o be_v no_o whit_n satisfactory_a nor_o conclude_v to_o any_o man_n who_o be_v of_o another_o judgement_n as_o the_o reader_n may_v read_v in_o the_o 15._o and_o 16._o page_n of_o the_o diocese_n trial_n to_z the_o 3_o particular_a under_o the_o first_o head_n namely_o what_o you_o allow_v and_o grant_v about_o a_o church_n and_o the_o government_n that_o you_o can_v not_o but_o imagine_v that_o the_o first_o church_n plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n be_v ordinary_o of_o no_o more_o in_o one_o city_n at_o the_o first_o then_o may_v make_v up_o one_o entire_a congregation_n rule_v by_o their_o own_o elder_n that_o also_o preach_v to_o they_o and_o that_o you_o can_v not_o but_o judge_v it_o a_o safe_a and_o a_o allow_a way_n to_o retain_v the_o government_n of_o your_o several_a congregation_n for_o matter_n of_o discipline_n within_o themselves_o to_o be_v exercise_v by_o their_o own_o elder_n etc._n etc._n in_o way_n of_o answer_n i_o must_v first_o complain_v of_o your_o old_a fault_n the_o slippery_a and_o uncertain_a expression_n use_v in_o the_o relation_n of_o what_o you_o own_o and_o allow_v about_o a_o church_n in_o those_o phrase_n the_o first_o church_n ordinary_o and_o at_o first_o i_o demand_v the_o reason_n of_o you_o why_o you_o put_v in_o ordinary_o and_o at_o first_o be_v it_o not_o because_o you_o foresee_v the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o some_o few_o other_o record_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n though_o not_o in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o the_o act_n and_o at_o the_o beginning_n yet_o will_v at_o last_o by_o the_o 8._o of_o the_o act_n and_o act_n 21._o amount_v to_o more_o than_o can_v meet_v in_o one_o congregation_n and_o therefore_o you_o express_v it_o so_o be_v this_o fair_a deal_n or_o what_o other_o reason_n can_v you_o give_v for_o use_v such_o doubtful_a expression_n the_o question_n be_v not_o between_o you_o and_o we_o whether_o all_o the_o church_n and_o most_o of_o the_o church_n or_o whether_o at_o first_o and_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o they_o they_o consist_v of_o no_o more_o in_o one_o city_n then_o to_o make_v up_o one_o congregation_n but_o whether_o the_o scripture_n in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o epistle_n be_v it_o first_o or_o last_o soon_o or_o late_a give_v any_o pattern_n or_o example_n of_o
i_o feign_v nothing_o nor_o witting_o misreport_n any_o thing_n no_o not_o in_o the_o least_o circumstance_n neither_o have_v i_o take_v up_o report_n light_o but_o what_o ever_o i_o affirm_v or_o assert_v in_o this_o answer_n i_o either_o have_v it_o from_o their_o own_o mouth_n or_o can_v show_v it_o in_o their_o own_o letter_n or_o in_o other_o manuscript_n or_o in_o some_o print_a book_n of_o man_n of_o their_o way_n and_o communion_n or_o else_o have_v receive_v it_o from_o credible_a person_n many_o of_o they_o ear_n witness_n and_o eye-witness_n upon_o the_o place_n all_o which_o witness_n be_v either_o learned_a godly_a judicious_a minister_n or_o else_o godly_a christian_n some_o their_o friend_n and_o familiar_n who_o have_v be_v among_o they_o and_o converse_v with_o they_o both_o in_o holland_n and_o england_n and_o i_o appeal_v to_o many_o of_o my_o reverend_a brethren_n in_o the_o ministry_n and_o to_o many_o godly_a christian_n and_o to_o the_o conscience_n of_o the_o author_n of_o this_o apology_n upon_o second_o thought_n and_o to_o their_o own_o follower_n and_o church-member_n whether_o all_o along_o i_o speak_v not_o the_o truth_n our_o ear_n have_v be_v of_o late_a so_o fill_v with_o a_o sudden_a unexpected_a apolog._n noise_n of_o confuse_a exclamation_n though_o not_o so_o express_o direct_v against_o we_o in_o particular_a yet_o in_o the_o interpretation_n of_o the_o most_o reflect_v on_o we_o that_o awaken_v thereby_o we_o be_v enforce_v to_o anticipate_v a_o little_a that_o discovery_n of_o ourselves_o which_o otherwise_o we_o resolve_v to_o have_v leave_v to_o time_n and_o experience_n of_o our_o way_n and_o spirit_n the_o true_a discoverer_n and_o sure_a judge_n of_o all_o man_n and_o their_o action_n you_o make_v the_o ground_n and_o occasion_n of_o set_v forth_o this_o apologetical_a narration_n now_o to_o be_v your_o ear_n of_o late_a so_o fill_v with_o a_o sudden_a and_o unexpected_a noise_n of_o confuse_a exclamation_n interpretative_o reflect_v on_o you_o it_o will_v hardly_o be_v believe_v by_o wise_a man_n that_o such_o man_n as_o you_o shall_v make_v such_o a_o apology_n and_o that_o in_o such_o a_o juncture_n of_o time_n the_o assembly_n sit_v and_o be_v upon_o discipline_n and_o you_o member_n of_o it_o upon_o so_o weak_a and_o slight_a ground_n as_o a_o sudden_a and_o unexpected_a noise_n of_o confuse_a exclamation_n come_v to_o your_o ear_n which_o as_o they_o be_v soon_o raise_v so_o be_v they_o as_o soon_o go_v and_o often_o die_v of_o themselves_o and_o by_o wise_a man_n nothing_o more_o slight_v especial_o be_v sudden_a and_o confuse_a if_o other_o of_o your_o brethren_n who_o swim_v not_o with_o the_o stream_n of_o the_o time_n and_o be_v not_o the_o darling_n of_o the_o people_n shall_v upon_o every_o occasion_n of_o their_o ear_n fill_v with_o a_o sudden_a and_o unexpected_a noise_n of_o confuse_a exclamation_n even_o when_o they_o be_v express_o direct_v against_o they_o and_o not_o only_o in_o interpretation_n reflect_v on_o they_o write_v apology_n and_o make_v defence_n they_o shall_v judge_v they_o have_v little_a to_o do_v and_o may_v have_v fill_v city_n and_o country_n with_o apology_n before_o now_o there_o be_v who_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v but_o be_v induce_v rather_o to_o think_v there_o be_v other_o motive_n and_o ground_n of_o your_o writing_n that_o apology_n at_o that_o time_n and_o the_o rather_o because_o there_o have_v be_v heretofore_o such_o noise_n of_o confuse_a exclamation_n at_o least_o interpretative_o reflect_v on_o you_o and_o you_o pass_v they_o by_o shall_v i_o tell_v you_o what_o be_v judge_v to_o have_v rather_o enforce_v you_o unto_o this_o work_n many_o of_o the_o minister_n in_o the_o city_n not_o long_o before_o draw_v up_o a_o letter_n to_o the_o assembly_n concern_v some_o church_n grievance_n and_o in_o particular_a that_o of_o gather_v of_o church_n and_o draw_v away_o their_o people_n which_o letter_n as_o it_o be_v not_o direct_v in_o particular_a against_o you_o so_o it_o reflect_v in_o the_o word_n and_o sense_n upon_o many_o other_o rather_o then_o yourselves_o which_o letter_n how_o it_o be_v accept_v of_o by_o the_o assembly_n and_o what_o speech_n and_o motion_n be_v upon_o it_o how_o to_o remedy_n and_o prevent_v the_o evil_n represent_v and_o especial_o that_o of_o gather_a church_n you_o better_o know_v then_o i._n but_o soon_o after_o some_o consideration_n be_v put_v forth_o by_o many_o member_n of_o the_o assembly_n to_o dissuade_v from_o gather_v church_n to_o which_o consideration_n your_o hand_n be_v subscribe_v upon_o what_o reason_n you_o comply_v in_o that_o and_o whether_o you_o can_v not_o well_o avoid_v it_o without_o great_a prejudice_n to_o your_o cause_n you_o know_v best_a and_o now_o whether_o this_o apologetical_a narration_n be_v not_o first_o hasten_v to_o follow_v upon_o these_o consideration_n to_o counterbalance_n that_o act_n of_o you_o against_o further_a gather_v of_o church_n that_o your_o cause_n and_o way_n may_v receive_v no_o loss_n and_o prejudice_n and_o to_o satisfy_v your_o own_o party_n many_o of_o they_o great_o exclaim_v against_o you_o for_o your_o hand_n to_o those_o consideration_n and_o so_o think_v by_o this_o after_o game_n to_o recover_v all_o i_o leave_v to_o the_o reader_n to_o judge_v 2._o whether_o also_o you_o well_o know_v that_o the_o assembly_n be_v upon_o the_o border_n of_o the_o main_a point_n in_o difference_n and_o upon_o come_v to_o debate_v presbytery_n ordination_n excommunication_n you_o put_v not_o forth_o this_o book_n to_o taste_v and_o try_v the_o spirit_n of_o the_o assembly_n and_o other_o before_o hand_n 3._o whether_o also_o this_o be_v not_o intend_v to_o prepossess_a the_o people_n mind_n to_o lay_v in_o prejudice_n against_o what_o the_o assembly_n may_v determine_v and_o by_o discover_v yourselves_o so_o before_o hand_n and_o so_o public_o engage_v yourselves_o your_o party_n may_v appear_v and_o stand_v the_o more_o by_o you_o and_o with_o you_o for_o a_o toleration_n the_o great_a design_n of_o the_o man_n of_o this_o way_n in_o these_o time_n 4._o last_o whether_o as_o much_o as_o you_o dare_v this_o apology_n be_v not_o set_v out_o just_a upon_o the_o comming-in_a of_o our_o brethren_n of_o scotland_n to_o our_o help_n to_o asperse_v the_o government_n and_o reformation_n of_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n and_o to_o lessen_v the_o esteem_n of_o that_o kingdom_n and_o church_n so_o much_o and_o so_o deserve_o value_v by_o this_o kingdom_n but_o look_v upon_o by_o all_o the_o man_n of_o the_o new_a church_n way_n as_o the_o great_a let_v of_o their_o independent_a government_n these_o reason_n with_o some_o other_o may_v well_o be_v think_v to_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o your_o apology_n but_o that_o allege_a by_o you_o the_o sudden_a and_o unexpected_a noise_n of_o confuse_a exclamation_n seem_v so_o far_o from_o a_o reason_n that_o upon_o good_a ground_n be_v doubt_v whether_o it_o can_v be_v true_a that_o a_o noise_n of_o confuse_a exclamation_n reflect_v on_o you_o and_o your_o way_n can_v be_v sudden_a and_o unexpected_a to_o you_o it_o be_v strange_a to_o i_o that_o exclamation_n shall_v be_v to_o you_o at_o that_o time_n unexpected_a that_o a_o few_o man_n go_v in_o a_o new_a by_o way_n different_a from_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o christendom_n and_o that_o with_o so_o high_a a_o hand_n as_o you_o and_o your_o party_n have_v do_v shall_v not_o expect_v speak_v against_o and_o to_o have_v their_o ear_n fill_v with_o outcry_n and_o exclamation_n not_o only_o confuse_v and_o interpretative_a but_o distinct_a particular_a and_o personal_a now_o as_o the_o pretend_a ground_n of_o make_v this_o apology_n be_v take_v from_o you_o so_o what_o you_o affirm_v in_o the_o follow_a word_n that_o you_o be_v awaken_v thereby_o be_v deny_v for_o you_o have_v never_o be_v asleep_a since_o your_o come_n over_o into_o england_n but_o have_v be_v always_o watchful_a and_o intent_n to_o the_o uttermost_a upon_o all_o thing_n which_o may_v either_o further_o your_o way_n or_o may_v hinder_v it_o it_o be_v we_o who_o need_v something_o to_o awaken_v we_o as_o have_v be_v too_o much_o asleep_a in_o respect_n of_o you_o for_o whilst_o the_o husbandman_n have_v sleep_v you_o have_v both_o sow_v tare_n and_o reap_v a_o harvest_n but_o i_o be_o in_o hope_n that_o your_o apologetical_a narration_n and_o this_o antapologia_fw-la together_o will_v awaken_v both_o parliament_n minister_n and_o people_n more_o and_o more_o and_o open_a man_n eye_n to_o judge_v of_o thing_n aright_o between_o you_o and_o we_o as_o for_o the_o be_v enforce_v to_o anticipate_v a_o little_a that_o discovery_n of_o yourselves_o which_o otherwise_o you_o resolve_v to_o have_v leave_v to_o time_n and_o experience_n of_o your_o way_n and_o spirit_n it_o appear_v manifest_o
with_o his_o be_v deceive_v for_o a_o time_n in_o the_o business_n of_o m_n wheelwright_n and_o mistress_n hutchinson_n and_o some_o of_o those_o opinion_n about_o sanctification_n evidence_v justification_n and_o to_o some_o other_o manuscript_n and_o print_a thing_n about_o the_o churchway_n where_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n of_o wit_n and_o fancy_v more_o than_o of_o deep_a judgement_n the_o three_o part_n of_o your_o praise_n rise_v so_o high_a as_o it_o be_v hardly_o to_o be_v parallel_v the_o sincerity_n of_o they_o of_o new-england_n in_o their_o way_n restisy_v before_o all_o the_o world_n and_o will_v be_v to_o all_o generation_n to_o come_v by_o the_o great_a undertake_n but_o that_o of_o our_o father_n abraham_n out_o of_o his_o own_o country_n and_o his_o seed_n after_o he_o a_o transplant_n themselves_o many_o thousand_o mile_n distance_n and_o that_o by_o sea_n into_o a_o wilderness_n etc._n etc._n certain_o some_o independent_o then_o must_v write_v their_o chronicle_n or_o else_o their_o sincerity_n will_v not_o be_v so_o testify_v to_o all_o the_o world_n neither_o will_v they_o be_v so_o famous_a to_o all_o succeed_a generation_n it_o be_v well_o that_o in_o this_o high_a praise_n of_o they_o who_o go_v to_o new-england_n there_o be_v some_o exception_n and_o that_o abraham_n their_o father_n be_v except_v how_o ever_o in_o the_o instance_n you_o present_o give_v of_o their_o undertake_n you_o secret_o prefer_v the_o man_n of_o new-england_n before_o abraham_n for_o abraham_n go_v by_o land_n and_o not_o by_o sea_n and_o not_o many_o thousand_o mile_n distance_n nor_o into_o a_o wilderness_n but_o i_o be_o not_o satisfy_v in_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o undertake_n for_o new-england_n but_o be_o of_o the_o mind_n there_o both_o have_v be_v and_o be_v great_a undertake_n beside_o abraham_n and_o his_o seed_n after_o he_o namely_o that_o of_o moses_n and_o aaron_n carrying_z the_o people_n out_o of_o egypt_n and_o lead_v they_o through_o the_o wilderness_n to_o canaan_n of_o nehemiah_n and_o zerubbabel_n in_o building_n of_o the_o temple_n beside_o the_o present_a undertake_n of_o the_o parliament_n for_o reformation_n in_o church-government_n and_o worship_n against_o the_o papist_n prelate_n and_o malignant_n which_o you_o have_v see_v when_o you_o write_v this_o apology_n be_v far_o great_a and_o be_v testify_v before_o the_o world_n and_o will_v be_v to_o all_o generation_n to_o come_v far_o beyond_o that_o of_o new-england_n it_o be_v strange_a to_o i_o you_o shall_v thus_o forget_v yourselves_o to_o make_v the_o undertake_n of_o new-england_n to_o be_v the_o great_a that_o ever_o be_v in_o the_o world_n but_o that_o of_o abraham_n but_o thus_o partial_a we_o see_v good_a man_n be_v apt_a to_o be_v for_o their_o own_o party_n and_o even_o stark_o blind_a in_o their_o own_o cause_n and_o as_o i_o be_o no_o whit_n satisfy_v in_o this_o three_o particular_a of_o your_o praise_n of_o new-england_n so_o nor_o in_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o thing_n that_o you_o affirm_v they_o go_v to_o new-england_n for_o namely_o mere_o to_o worship_n god_n more_o pure_o whether_o to_o allure_v they_o there_o can_v be_v no_o other_o invitement_n for_o that_o which_o be_v first_o hold_v out_o and_o most_o speak_v of_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o that_o plantation_n in_o new-england_n be_v the_o hope_n of_o convert_v the_o poor_a indian_n there_o be_v some_o minister_n of_o note_n and_o other_o who_o deal_v first_o in_o that_o business_n and_o be_v prime_a actor_n in_o it_o that_o propound_v that_o and_o real_o intend_v it_o as_o mr_n white_a of_o dorchester_n mr_n humphreys_n and_o i_o be_o forgetful_a if_o i_o have_v not_o read_v some_o thing_n print_v to_o that_o purpose_n as_o for_o the_o worship_a god_n more_o pure_o if_o your_o word_n can_v bare_v that_o sense_n or_o you_o understand_v they_o of_o be_v free_v of_o the_o ceremony_n and_o of_o episcopal_a government_n that_o be_v some_o part_n of_o the_o design_n and_o aim_n though_o not_o mere_o that_o but_o if_o by_o worship_v god_n more_o pure_o be_v mean_v the_o worship_a god_n in_o the_o churchway_n and_o the_o church-government_n plead_v for_o in_o this_o apology_n it_o be_v not_o in_o the_o thought_n of_o they_o who_o be_v the_o first_o mover_n in_o it_o or_o of_o the_o minister_n who_o be_v send_v over_o in_o the_o beginning_n as_o be_v apparent_a by_o a_o letter_n of_o mr_n cotton_n scent_n to_o mr_n skelton_n a_o minister_n upon_o his_o fall_n into_o the_o churchway_n after_o he_o come_v over_o wherein_z mr_n cotton_n write_v to_o he_o that_o he_o go_v from_o england_n of_o another_o judgement_n and_o tell_v he_o how_o this_o come_v about_o namely_o from_o they_o of_o new-plymouth_n who_o be_v mr_n robinson_n people_n and_o further_o unto_o many_o who_o go_v over_o to_o new-england_n after_o the_o first_o and_o second_o year_n there_o be_v other_o invitement_n then_o mere_o worship_v god_n more_o pure_o some_o of_o they_o conclude_v peremptory_o this_o kingdom_n will_v be_v destroy_v and_o there_o will_v be_v a_o hide_v place_n as_o also_o the_o great_a commendation_n of_o the_o country_n and_o land_n for_o subsistence_n many_o be_v low_o in_o their_o estate_n here_o lead_v many_o into_o a_o fool_n paradâ—…ce_n who_o find_v all_o thing_n so_o contrary_a to_o the_o high_a report_n give_v out_o and_o their_o expectation_n have_v have_v leisure_n enough_o to_o repent_v since_o and_o some_o of_o you_o who_o to_o my_o knowledge_n intend_v for_o new-england_n yet_o when_o you_o come_v to_o understand_v better_a what_o a_o hard_a country_n it_o be_v will_v not_o be_v of_o the_o number_n of_o they_o who_o sincerity_n shall_v be_v testify_v before_o all_o the_o world_n and_o unto_o all_o generation_n to_o come_v by_o go_v to_o new-england_n to_o worship_n god_n more_o pure_o when_o to_o allure_v you_o thither_o there_o be_v no_o other_o invitement_n and_o now_o after_o all_o this_o large_a narration_n of_o your_o fall_n off_o from_o the_o dark_a part_n and_o of_o your_o inquire_v into_o the_o light_a part_n and_o the_o story_n of_o your_o impartial_a look_v upon_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o your_o consult_v with_o reform_a church_n and_o look_v upon_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n and_o observe_v the_o separatist_n together_o with_o the_o example_n of_o new-england_n you_o plain_o come_v in_o the_o close_a of_o this_o section_n to_o declare_v that_o for_o which_o all_o this_o be_v write_v namely_o to_o possess_v the_o reader_n of_o your_o freedom_n and_o un-ingagement_n notwithstanding_o all_o this_o to_o take_v that_o way_n or_o every_o thing_n in_o each_o way_n that_o be_v truth_n whereas_o you_o will_v insinuate_v that_o other_o man_n who_o differ_v from_o you_o be_v not_o so_o free_a nor_o un-engaged_n but_o how_o likely_a this_o be_v and_o how_o uningaged_n and_o free_a you_o be_v i_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o remember_v what_o presumption_n if_o not_o proof_n i_o have_v already_o bring_v to_o prove_v the_o contrary_n as_o for_o those_o two_o parenthesis_n bring_v in_o of_o the_o way_n of_o new-england_n namely_o those_o improve_v to_o a_o better_a edition_n and_o great_a refinement_n by_o all_o the_o foremontioned_n help_v and_o that_o all_o which_o we_o look_v upon_o as_o reform_a church_n to_o the_o first_o of_o these_o i_o say_v 1._o it_o be_v a_o high_a confidence_n and_o presumption_n to_o judge_v the_o way_n and_o practice_n of_o a_o few_o in_o new-england_n to_o be_v better_o and_o more_o refine_a then_o of_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n in_o christendom_n 2._o what_o ever_o the_o edition_n and_o refinement_n of_o new-england_n be_v they_o make_v little_a use_n of_o all_o the_o forementioned_a help_n name_v by_o you_o to_o attain_v unto_o it_o few_o of_o they_o consult_v with_o reverence_n the_o reform_a church_n etc._n etc._n but_o the_o main_a ground_n of_o their_o improvement_n to_o this_o new_a edition_n and_o great_a refinement_n as_o you_o term_v it_o be_v their_o consultation_n with_o they_o of_o new-plymouth_n as_o appear_v both_o by_o mr_n cotton_v letter_n and_o by_o other_o relation_n to_o the_o second_o i_o can_v pattern_n judge_v no_o other_o reason_n of_o insert_v it_o here_o nor_o of_o call_v the_o way_n of_o new-england_n in_o that_o first_o parenthesis_n a_o better_a edition_n and_o great_a refinement_n then_o of_o any_o of_o the_o reform_a church_n but_o only_o that_o we_o may_v understand_v in_o what_o sense_n you_o take_v that_o part_n of_o the_o covenant_n to_o be_v bring_v to_o agreement_n with_o the_o best_a reform_a church_n that_o you_o mean_v and_o account_v new-england_n the_o best_a reform_a church_n and_o so_o satisfy_v your_o conscience_n in_o take_v that_o branch_n of_o the_o covenant_n whereas_o we_o look_v upon_o the_o reform_a church_n those_o of_o france_n scotland_n holland_n etc._n etc._n who_o be_v
true_a church_n namely_o your_o see_v that_o if_o you_o have_v account_v our_o church_n no_o true_a church_n that_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o church_n abroad_o in_o scotland_n holland_n etc._n etc._n yet_o for_o their_o mixture_n must_v in_o like_a manner_n be_v judge_v no_o church_n also_o i_o answer_v it_o be_v no_o conclude_v argument_n m._n robinson_n who_o be_v quick-sighted_a and_o live_v in_o holland_n long_o and_o see_v their_o mixture_n yet_o acknowledge_v those_o church_n true_a but_o deny_v we_o to_o be_v true_a upon_o other_o ground_n beside_o the_o mixture_n and_o it_o be_v evident_a your_o reason_n be_v insufficient_a for_o if_o your_o description_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n be_v only_o upon_o difference_n in_o the_o point_n of_o mixture_n and_o your_o ground_n of_o separation_n only_o upon_o mix_a communion_n than_o your_o reason_n have_v some_o weight_n in_o it_o but_o you_o know_v your_o exception_n be_v many_o against_o our_o church_n which_o lie_v not_o against_o the_o reform_a church_n but_o it_o be_v strange_a to_o i_o if_o you_o be_v so_o good_a at_o consequence_n that_o you_o see_v and_o can_v not_o but_o see_v when_o there_o be_v no_o necessity_n of_o see_v you_o can_v not_o see_v the_o necessary_a consequence_n of_o your_o principle_n about_o a_o church_n and_o ministry_n nay_o not_o see_v even_o your_o contradiction_n for_o let_v a_o man_n but_o take_v your_o own_o position_n and_o assertion_n concern_v a_o true_a visible_a church_n and_o the_o true_a call_n of_o minister_n and_o lay_v together_o your_o quarrel_v with_o we_o and_o leave_v we_o upon_o those_o ground_n because_o we_o have_v no_o such_o church_n and_o minister_n and_o yeâ—…_n to_o affirm_v that_o multitude_n of_o our_o parochial_a church_n be_v true_a church_n and_o certain_o however_o you_o who_o be_v scholar_n may_v be_v such_o good_a logician_n to_o make_v such_o distinction_n to_o salve_v all_o as_o you_o conceit_a yet_o your_o people_n can_v not_o but_o they_o from_o your_o principle_n and_o position_n about_o church_n ministry_n worship_n and_o government_n have_v judge_v we_o no_o true_a church_n nor_o true_a minister_n but_o have_v wonder_v at_o this_o sincere_a profession_n of_o you_o before_o god_n and_o the_o world_n concern_v our_o church_n and_o minister_n say_v they_o understand_v you_o otherwise_o and_o they_o be_v much_o deceive_v if_o you_o hold_v not_o otherwise_o at_o first_o though_o now_o you_o express_v yourselves_o after_o this_o manner_n and_o i_o can_v hardly_o believe_v have_v you_o make_v always_o and_o frequent_o such_o profession_n of_o our_o church_n and_o minister_n and_o of_o keep_v communion_n with_o they_o as_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n that_o ever_o so_o many_o have_v fall_v off_o to_o your_o way_n but_o thus_o it_o be_v in_o all_o the_o way_n of_o error_n man_n by_o sit_n will_v express_v thing_n as_o other_o man_n do_v who_o be_v orthodox_n but_o yet_o in_o a_o sense_n of_o their_o own_o to_o avoid_v exception_n and_o that_o they_o may_v be_v think_v to_o hold_v as_o other_o do_v thereby_o the_o more_o to_o draw_v and_o work_v some_o man_n off_o to_o their_o way_n when_o yet_o in_o the_o common_a sense_n and_o understanding_n of_o the_o point_n they_o hold_v otherwise_o as_o the_o socinian_o say_v they_o hold_v christ_n god_n and_o call_v he_o so_o but_o in_o a_o sense_n of_o their_o own_o and_o yet_o deny_v it_o in_o the_o orthodox_n sense_n so_o pelagian_n and_o arminian_n will_v extol_v the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o that_o a_o man_n can_v do_v nothing_o without_o it_o and_o yet_o in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o the_o controversy_n be_v they_o set_v up_o freewill_n above_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o so_o antinomian_o will_v say_v they_o do_v not_o deny_v the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o in_o the_o sense_n controvert_v be_v flat_a against_o it_o and_o so_o the_o papist_n will_v say_v they_o hold_v and_o look_v to_o be_v save_v by_o christ_n as_o well_o as_o any_o protestant_a though_o it_o be_v well_o know_v there_o be_v a_o great_a difference_n between_o they_o in_o the_o point_n of_o justification_n so_o you_o and_o many_o of_o your_o way_n in_o a_o sense_n of_o your_o own_o give_v we_o good_a word_n and_o say_v we_o have_v true_a church_n and_o true_a ministry_n and_o yet_o in_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o controversy_n you_o teach_v flat_a contrary_n as_o do_v appear_v both_o by_o print_a tractâ—…tes_n and_o by_o manuscript_n and_o many_o practice_n as_o to_o that_o profession_n in_o this_o section_n that_o in_o the_o time_n when_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v most_o either_o actual_o overspread_v with_o defilement_n or_o in_o the_o great_a danger_n thereof_o that_o we_o both_o do_v and_o will_v bold_a a_o communion_n with_o they_o as_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n i_o answer_v what_o do_v i_o hear_v word_n when_o i_o see_v deed_n so_o contrary_a how_o can_v i_o believe_v this_o profession_n that_o you_o will_v hold_v communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n under_o their_o great_a defilement_n when_o as_o you_o have_v never_o hold_v communion_n with_o any_o of_o they_o in_o the_o time_n of_o their_o great_a reformation_n and_o purity_n in_o this_o three_o year_n last_o since_o your_o come_n over_o wherein_o we_o have_v be_v so_o free_a from_o pollution_n in_o worship_n and_o since_o that_o in_o so_o many_o church_n in_o london_n there_o have_v be_v the_o total_a lay_v aside_o of_o prescribe_a form_n of_o prayer_n and_o that_o great_a care_n to_o keep_v away_o both_o ignorant_a and_o profane_a person_n which_o of_o you_o five_o have_v receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n in_o any_o of_o these_o true_a church_n and_o body_n of_o christ_n i_o never_o can_v learn_v that_o any_o of_o you_o five_o nor_o any_o of_o the_o member_n of_o your_o church_n have_v communicate_v with_o we_o i_o can_v tell_v you_o of_o the_o add_v to_o your_o church_n assembly_n great_a number_n since_o and_o of_o your_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n at_o night_n in_o private_a house_n and_o how_o some_o of_o you_o who_o have_v not_o church_n here_o in_o london_n go_v to_o separate_a church_n to_o partake_v in_o the_o lord_n supper_n but_o brethren_n why_o do_v you_o deal_v thus_o and_o write_v thus_o to_o make_v man_n believe_v as_o if_o you_o hold_v great_a communion_n with_o our_o church_n now_o who_o will_v have_v hold_v it_o with_o they_o in_o such_o bad_a time_n i_o desire_v you_o to_o speak_v plain_a english_a and_o not_o to_o speak_v after_o this_o manner_n as_o you_o do_v too_o often_o in_o this_o apology_n and_o to_o interpret_v to_o we_o in_o your_o reply_n to_o this_o answer_n what_o you_o mean_v by_o both_o do_v and_o will_v hold_v communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n i_o know_v no_o communion_n you_o do_v hold_v or_o do_v with_o we_o now_o though_o so_o reform_v and_o if_o you_o do_v and_o will_v what_o mean_v that_o wall_n of_o partition_n between_o we_o your_o new_a constitute_v church_n as_o for_o thâ—…â—…aring_v of_o sermon_n sometime_o in_o our_o church_n and_o preachiâ—…g_v in_o our_o congregation_n i_o doubt_v whether_o you_o hold_v that_o a_o keep_a communion_n with_o our_o church_n and_o minister_n but_o rather_o preach_v as_o gift_a man_n and_o hear_v we_o as_o gift_a man_n and_o how_o ever_o personal_a if_o m._n robinson_n and_o some_o of_o your_o way_n may_v be_v believe_v they_o hold_v hear_v of_o the_o word_n no_o act_n of_o communion_n nor_o no_o proper_a nor_o peculiar_a thing_n of_o the_o church_n and_o that_o you_o be_v of_o the_o same_o judgement_n i_o have_v great_a reason_n both_o from_o your_o principle_n and_o practice_v to_o think_v so_o as_o for_o that_o real_a testimony_n beside_o your_o profession_n that_o some_o of_o we_o after_o we_o actual_o be_v in_o this_o way_n of_o communion_n baptize_v our_o child_n in_o parishional_a congregation_n whereby_o you_o will_v infer_v you_o hold_v a_o communion_n with_o our_o congation_n as_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n i_o answer_v this_o be_v no_o real_a testimony_n thereof_o because_o it_o can_v be_v understand_v but_o in_o the_o sense_n before_o open_v of_o church_n and_o ministry_n and_o beside_o if_o mr_n sympson_n be_v one_o of_o this_o some_o who_o baptize_v his_o child_n in_o parishional_a congregation_n it_o be_v so_o inconsistent_a with_o what_o he_o write_v in_o the_o letter_n before_o quote_v of_o the_o church_n and_o baptism_n that_o i_o know_v not_o how_o to_o reconcile_v these_o together_o and_o the_o truth_n be_v many_o of_o your_o practice_n be_v oft_o time_n so_o in-coherent_a with_o some_o of_o your_o principle_n of_o church-fellowship_n as_o for_o instance_n pastor_n be_v necessary_a officer_n in_o your_o church_n and_o yet_o according_a
shall_v have_v lay_v down_o particular_o as_o wherein_o and_o how_o far_o you_o agree_v with_o the_o reform_a church_n so_o also_o wherein_o you_o depart_v from_o they_o namely_o you_o shall_v have_v show_v in_o what_o you_o practise_v more_o than_o they_o do_v and_o wherein_o you_o practise_v short_a of_o they_o and_o in_o the_o thing_n you_o practise_v with_o they_o yet_o how_o you_o differ_v in_o the_o manner_n of_o they_o but_o to_o return_v to_o that_o of_o censure_n reform_a church_n practice_v beside_o admonition_n and_o before_o they_o come_v to_o excommunication_n that_o which_o be_v call_v by_o divine_n abstentio_fw-la à _fw-la sacracaena_fw-la but_o you_o do_v not_o so_o but_o conceal_v this_o but_o brethren_n why_o shall_v you_o not_o practice_v this_o especial_o consider_v how_o according_a to_o your_o principle_n the_o church_n be_v to_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n every_o lord_n day_n now_o suppose_v some_o member_n commit_v a_o great_a sin_n on_o the_o saturday_n which_o though_o come_n it_o be_v know_v to_o the_o minister_n or_o elder_n and_o some_o of_o the_o people_n either_o there_o may_v be_v no_o time_n to_o call_v the_o church_n to_o admonish_v the_o party_n or_o if_o there_o be_v for_o admonition_n yet_o not_o time_n sufficient_a for_o the_o party_n to_o testify_v repentance_n and_o yet_o the_o person_n may_v not_o be_v judge_v obstinate_a and_o impenitent_a as_o to_o be_v excommunicate_v but_o the_o person_n offend_v will_v come_v now_o to_o the_o lord_n table_n in_o the_o interim_n what_o will_v you_o do_v in_o this_o case_n and_o further_o the_o reform_a church_n enjoin_v the_o censure_n of_o open_a confession_n of_o sin_n and_o practice_v deposition_n of_o officer_n from_o their_o place_n which_o may_v just_o arise_v upon_o some_o case_n and_o yet_o not_o think_v it_o fit_a to_o proceed_v unto_o excommunication_n as_o yourselves_o practise_v in_o m._n ward_n case_n never_o proceed_v to_o give_v he_o up_o to_o satan_n but_o how_o lame_a and_o defective_a be_v this_o your_o narration_n about_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n only_o relate_v two_o thing_n you_o practise_v in_o common_a with_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o as_o conceal_v other_o thing_n you_o practise_v not_o with_o they_o so_o whole_o pass_v over_o in_o silence_n here_o all_o your_o different_a way_n of_o practise_v from_o all_o church_n in_o the_o way_n of_o ordination_n in_o the_o way_n of_o constitute_a church_n and_o admission_n into_o they_o and_o in_o the_o way_n of_o govern_v by_o the_o vote_n and_o suffrage_n of_o the_o whole_a body_n in_o the_o way_n of_o celebration_n the_o lord_n supper_n receive_v it_o at_o night_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n with_o many_o other_o particular_n which_o whether_o it_o be_v fair_o do_v i_o appeal_v to_o the_o reader_n who_o be_v by_o this_o much_o deceive_v think_v upon_o the_o read_n of_o this_o narration_n that_o you_o have_v agree_v in_o all_o thing_n of_o worship_n officer_n censure_n with_o the_o reform_a church_n but_o to_o return_v to_o that_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n which_o you_o insist_v upon_o lay_v down_o your_o judgement_n about_o the_o subject_n of_o that_o censure_n as_o for_o your_o blessing_n god_n you_o never_o exercise_v it_o there_o may_v be_v but_o little_a ground_n for_o such_o a_o blessing_n but_o cause_n rather_o to_o be_v humble_v for_o not_o use_v it_o seasonable_o i_o judge_v have_v you_o practise_v it_o some_o revile_n evil_a speaking_n between_o many_o member_n of_o your_o church_n with_o some_o other_o offence_n may_v have_v be_v prevent_v but_o there_o be_v no_o such_o great_a cause_n to_o set_v out_o yourselves_o by_o the_o non-exercise_n of_o excommunication_n if_o what_o you_o hold_v for_o the_o matter_n of_o it_o be_v consider_v wherein_o i_o suppose_v you_o differ_v from_o all_o orthodox_n reform_a church_n and_o do_v open_a a_o wide_a gap_n to_o much_o licentiousness_n both_o in_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n what_o do_v you_o judge_v be_v it_o not_o to_o be_v put_v in_o execution_n for_o no_o other_o kind_n of_o sin_n then_o may_v evident_o be_v presume_v to_o be_v perpetrate_v against_o the_o party_n know_v light_n etc._n etc._n what_o if_o man_n practise_v polygamy_n profane_v the_o lord_n day_n by_o use_v it_o as_o they_o do_v any_o other_o day_n what_o if_o they_o do_v hold_v and_o according_o will_v have_v practise_v community_n of_o good_n among_o believer_n what_o if_o they_o maintain_v that_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v magistrate_n all_o which_o be_v not_o condemn_v in_o all_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n especial_o if_o some_o church_n may_v be_v take_v for_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o we_o have_v reason_n to_o believe_v by_o your_o manner_n of_o expression_n you_o include_v such_o neither_o be_v perpetrate_v against_o the_o party_n know_v light_n but_o rather_o be_v practise_v upon_o new_a light_n and_o as_o new_a truth_n and_o let_v i_o entreat_v you_o in_o your_o reply_n to_o explain_v your_o meaning_n what_o you_o mean_v by_o all_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o by_o the_o common_a receive_v practice_n of_o christianity_n and_o what_o by_o the_o principle_n of_o christianity_n universal_o acknowledge_v in_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n whether_o by_o church_n you_o understand_v the_o church_n only_o of_o your_o own_o communion_n and_o way_n or_o the_o church_n which_o be_v common_o call_v the_o reform_a or_o else_o all_o church_n whatsoever_o that_o be_v so_o call_v as_o beside_o your_o own_o and_o the_o reform_a the_o church_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n antinomian_o and_o such_o like_a and_o i_o have_v reason_n to_o propound_v this_o question_n your_o word_n be_v so_o doubtful_a now_o if_o your_o word_n and_o phrase_n be_v take_v in_o the_o first_o sense_n of_o your_o church_n only_o that_o those_o sin_n and_o no_o other_o be_v to_o be_v the_o subject_n of_o excommunication_n then_o great_a sin_n and_o error_n according_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o judge_v so_o by_o orthodox_n church_n may_v escape_v excommunication_n and_o on_o the_o contrary_a many_o matter_n which_o according_a to_o scripture_n be_v neither_o sin_n nor_o error_n but_o only_o your_o church_n hold_v they_o so_o may_v have_v that_o dreadful_a sentenee_n pass_v upon_o they_o but_o if_o you_o mean_v it_o in_o the_o large_a sense_n for_o all_o kind_n of_o church_n and_o for_o the_o receive_v principle_n and_o practice_n of_o christianity_n profess_v and_o acknowledge_v in_o all_o the_o church_n then_o more_o sin_n and_o error_n so_o judge_v by_o the_o word_n by_o most_o church_n and_o by_o your_o own_o church_n too_o will_v not_o be_v acknowledge_v for_o such_o in_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o shall_v escape_v that_o censure_n but_o if_o you_o shall_v say_v you_o mean_v only_o the_o reformed-churche_n common_o so_o call_v and_o the_o common_a receive_v practice_n profess_v by_o they_o it_o can_v be_v so_o understand_v as_o be_v evident_a by_o your_o own_o expression_n in_o this_o passage_n about_o excommunication_n so_o that_o here_o be_v strange_a unsafe_a rule_n to_o go_v by_o in_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n and_o i_o judge_v it_o be_v a_o part_n of_o the_o new_a light_n and_o now_o truth_n of_o these_o time_n never_o yet_o give_v by_o any_o learned_a classical_a author_n how_o much_o better_o be_v it_o for_o church_n to_o make_v the_o subject_n of_o excommunication_n such_o sin_n and_o error_n which_o the_o scripture_n have_v make_v so_o and_o those_o sin_n to_o be_v agree_v upon_o by_o common_a consent_n in_o assembly_n and_o synod_n so_o draw_v up_o for_o all_o to_o know_v they_o but_o if_o it_o be_v object_v that_o this_o may_v hinder_v further_a light_n and_o a_o after_o discovery_n i_o answer_v when_o any_o thing_n more_o shall_v come_v to_o be_v find_v out_o this_o need_n be_v no_o hindrance_n unto_o any_o light_n but_o by_o the_o public_a government_n and_o common_a consent_n upon_o good_a ground_n may_v be_v add_v but_o this_o your_o judgement_n about_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n i_o fear_v be_v calculate_v for_o the_o meridian_n of_o pretend_a liberty_n of_o conscience_n now_o this_o position_n of_o hold_v the_o subject_n of_o excommunication_n to_o be_v only_o such_o sin_n and_o error_n as_o be_v against_o the_o party_n know_v light_n and_o the_o common_a receive_v practice_n of_o christianity_n profess_v in_o all_o church_n and_o no_o other_o to_o be_v the_o subject_n of_o it_o tend_v much_o to_o the_o tolerate_n of_o sect_n and_o heresy_n which_o in_o this_o impure_a age_n be_v by_o many_o man_n and_o by_o too_o many_o of_o the_o church_n way_n so_o studious_o promote_v against_o the_o nature_n of_o reformation_n and_o true_a zeal_n but_o if_o one_o of_o the_o great_a end_n of_o excommunication_n be_v to_o preserve_v other_o from_o
they_o go_v by_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v in_o the_o right_n certain_o the_o great_a difficulty_n in_o know_v and_o find_v out_o the_o direction_n and_o example_n and_o in_o apply_v they_o aright_o and_o their_o weak_a knowledge_n will_v give_v ground_n sufficient_a to_o all_o reasonable_a man_n to_o suspect_v the_o contrary_n and_o for_o yourselves_o brethren_n the_o reader_n have_v great_a reason_n to_o judge_v from_o what_o you_o here_o grant_v about_o the_o difficulty_n of_o the_o scripture_n in_o the_o churchway_n and_o your_o insufficiency_n and_o ignorance_n in_o many_o case_n and_o to_o many_o query_n that_o you_o may_v be_v out_o of_o the_o way_n then_o from_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o scripture_n to_o make_v church_n perfect_a and_o your_o make_v the_o scripture_n your_o supreme_a rule_n that_o you_o only_o shall_v be_v in_o the_o right_n and_o withal_o taking-in_a this_o that_o the_o reform_a church_n you_o depart_v from_o and_o all_o along_o reflect_v upon_o in_o this_o apologetical_a narration_n hold_v the_o scripture_n in_o a_o true_a sense_n to_o have_v a_o perfection_n for_o church-government_n and_o set_v they_o up_o as_o the_o supreme_a rule_n to_o eye_n continual_o and_o have_v the_o great_a advantage_n of_o you_o know_v the_o direction_n and_o example_n in_o scripture_n better_o than_o you_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o great_a learning_n number_n long_o study_v these_o point_n all_o you_o speak_v here_o of_o this_o principle_n as_o a_o ground_n to_o take_v man_n with_o and_o possess_v the_o reader_n of_o the_o truthof_n your_o way_n rather_o than_o they_o have_v no_o strength_n in_o it_o but_o the_o scale_n of_o sufficiency_n of_o knowledge_n and_o ability_n of_o find_v out_o the_o rule_n and_o apply_v be_v heavy_a on_o the_o reform_a church_n side_n and_o the_o other_o scale_n of_o make_v the_o scripture_n the_o rule_n equal_a to_o you_o also_o you_o must_v needs_o be_v find_v light_n compare_v with_o they_o but_o after_o your_o supposition_n of_o the_o great_a difficulty_n of_o understand_v this_o rule_n and_o profession_n of_o the_o non-sufficiencie_n of_o your_o knowledge_n by_o which_o you_o weaken_v so_o much_o what_o you_o will_v gain_v by_o the_o narration_n of_o set_v up_o this_o first_o principle_n as_o the_o supreme_a rule_n without_o you_o yet_o before_o you_o leave_v it_o in_o the_o follow_a word_n you_o seem_v to_o affirm_v it_o indeed_o interfeer_v and_o hover_v about_o not_o know_v well_o where_o to_o light_v and_o to_o settle_v between_o the_o perfection_n and_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o scripture_n to_o all_o church_n matter_n and_o the_o difficulty_n of_o find_v out_o the_o rule_n and_o direction_n as_o the_o precedent_a word_n and_o subsequent_a put_v together_o do_v show_v for_o you_o find_v principle_n enough_o not_o only_o fundamental_a and_o essential_a but_o superstructorie_n also_o and_o those_o to_o you_o clear_a and_o certain_a and_o such_o as_o may_v well_o serve_v etc._n etc._n now_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_n if_o these_o word_n do_v not_o not_o declare_v a_o sufficiency_n of_o your_o knowledge_n without_o either_o if_n or_o and_o be_v but_o you_o must_v pardon_v i_o if_o i_o do_v not_o believe_v you_o find_v principle_n enough_o superstructorie_n and_o that_o upon_o these_o two_o follow_a ground_n 1._o have_v you_o find_v principle_n enough_o superstructorie_n for_o the_o well-being_n of_o your_o church_n and_o those_o clear_a and_o certain_a and_o such_o as_o may_v well_o serve_v to_o preserve_v your_o church_n in_o peace_n and_o from_o offence_n and_o will_v comfortable_o guide_v you_o to_o heaven_n in_o a_o safe_a way_n how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o you_o make_v no_o better_a a_o use_n of_o they_o for_o the_o well-being_n of_o your_o church_n to_o have_v preserve_v they_o in_o peace_n and_o from_o offence_n but_o that_o in_o so_o short_a a_o time_n so_o many_o offence_n and_o difference_n shall_v fall_v out_o and_o you_o go_v so_o uncomfortable_o to_o heaven_n doubt_v whether_o you_o be_v in_o the_o right_a way_n for_o church-government_n and_o order_n 2._o if_o you_o have_v find_v out_o principle_n enough_o superstructorie_n why_o do_v you_o not_o name_v they_o at_o least_o some_o of_o they_o you_o may_v have_v do_v well_o to_o have_v give_v the_o reader_n a_o taste_n of_o they_o it_o will_v have_v give_v good_a content_n especial_o in_o such_o a_o narration_n i_o be_o of_o opinion_n both_o upon_o your_o total_a silence_n and_o upon_o some_o search_n into_o these_o point_n that_o beside_o the_o fundamental_a and_o essential_a principle_n to_o the_o be_v of_o a_o visible_a ministerial_a church_n you_o find_v not_o many_o superstructory_n lay_v down_o particular_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n either_o in_o practice_n or_o precept_n namely_o ordinary_a perpetual_a etc._n etc._n and_o i_o do_v desire_v you_o set_v aside_o fundamental_a essential_a and_o substantial_a principle_n that_o for_o the_o superstructory_n upon_o they_o and_o your_o deduction_n you_o will_v give_v i_o proof_n from_o the_o scripture_n for_o many_o of_o your_o practice_n set_v aside_o general_a rule_n of_o the_o word_n and_o common_a rule_n of_o reason_n and_o prudence_n and_o whereas_o you_o make_v the_o observation_n of_o so_o many_o of_o those_o particular_n lay_v forth_o in_o the_o word_n to_o become_v a_o more_o certain_a evidence_n and_o clear_a confirmation_n that_o there_o be_v the_o like_a rule_n and_o rule_v case_n for_o all_o occasion_n whatsoever_o if_o you_o be_v able_a to_o discern_v they_o have_v you_o express_v any_o of_o those_o particular_n the_o reader_n may_v have_v gain_v somewhat_o and_o i_o can_v have_v better_o tell_v from_o your_o instance_n what_o to_o have_v answer_v you_o and_o may_v have_v show_v you_o the_o dissimilitude_n how_o they_o may_v not_o have_v infer_v the_o rest_n but_o here_o as_o in_o other_o passage_n of_o your_o book_n you_o find_v it_o safe_a to_o be_v in_o the_o cloud_n and_o to_o lie_v hide_v in_o general_n but_o grant_v it_o for_o once_o you_o observe_v many_o particular_n it_o follow_v not_o therefore_o from_o many_o to_o all_o but_o this_o be_v a_o point_n and_o principle_n wherein_o weak_a argument_n will_v become_v certain_a evidence_n and_o clear_a confirmation_n to_o you_o but_o let_v i_o hint_n only_o some_o thing_n to_o you_o now_o because_o this_o discourse_n be_v but_o the_o answer_n of_o a_o narration_n not_o of_o all_o argument_n that_o may_v be_v bring_v you_o be_v mistake_v both_o in_o your_o observation_n and_o your_o clear_a confirmation_n of_o what_o follow_v for_o you_o shall_v find_v that_o in_o the_o superstructory_n of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n there_o be_v but_o few_o particular_n lay_v down_o in_o the_o pattern_n and_o example_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o those_o primitive_a practice_n be_v not_o such_o a_o rule_n give_v by_o god_n in_o matter_n of_o that_o nature_n as_o that_o all_o thing_n then_o practise_v must_v be_v so_o in_o all_o after_o time_n or_o that_o nothing_o afterward_o may_v be_v practise_v but_o what_o be_v find_v there_o for_o beside_o mere_a circumstance_n and_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n there_o be_v in_o several_a church_n other_o thing_n tend_v to_o the_o better_a edification_n of_o those_o church_n to_o comeliness_n decency_n outward_a reverence_n order_n peace_n ground_v upon_o general_a rule_n of_o the_o word_n which_o in_o other_o church_n be_v not_o so_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o different_a custom_n of_o such_o country_n and_o the_o diversity_n of_o time_n and_o place_n wherein_o they_o be_v for_o that_o be_v comeliness_n and_o reverence_n in_o one_o country_n which_o be_v not_o in_o another_o so_o that_o my_o observation_n of_o so_o few_o particular_a superstructory_n record_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n namely_o of_o common_a ordinary_a perpetual_a order_n with_o the_o different_a practice_n in_o the_o several_a church_n record_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o sometime_o in_o the_o same_o church_n in_o many_o thing_n of_o the_o outward_a administration_n of_o external_a order_n be_v sound_a proof_n to_o i_o there_o be_v not_o rule_v nor_o rule_a case_n for_o many_o superstructory_n in_o external_a government_n and_o as_o to_o that_o clause_n which_o follow_v next_o in_o this_o section_n for_o all_o such_o case_n wherein_o you_o see_v not_o a_o clear_a resolution_n from_o scripture_n example_n or_o direction_n you_o still_o profess_o suspend_v until_o god_n shall_v give_v you_o further_a light_n not_o dare_v to_o eke_o out_o what_o be_v defective_a in_o your_o light_n in_o matter_n divine_a with_o humane_a prudence_n etc._n etc._n for_o answer_v i_o must_v tell_v you_o you_o either_o see_v that_o in_o the_o scripture_n that_o we_o can_v see_v by_o all_o search_n or_o else_o you_o practise_v many_o thing_n that_o have_v no_o clear_a resolution_n from_o scripture_n neither_o in_o example_n
church_n allow_v particular_a congregation_n such_o a_o entire_a and_o complete_a power_n to_o be_v exercise_v by_o the_o elder_n within_o themselves_o and_o wherein_o not_o such_o a_o particular_a narration_n will_v have_v carry_v in_o the_o face_n of_o it_o some_o ground_n for_o the_o defference_n of_o their_o practice_n and_o allowance_n &_o may_v have_v serve_v to_o have_v point_v out_o the_o difference_n between_o your_o way_n and_o they_o but_o second_o as_o you_o relate_v the_o way_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n it_o sound_v somewhat_o harsh_a and_o strange_a that_o their_o practice_n shall_v be_v one_o way_n and_o their_o judgement_n another_o their_o practice_n to_o govern_v each_o particular_a congregation_n by_o a_o combine_a presbytery_n of_o the_o elder_n of_o several_a congregation_n unite_v in_o one_o for_o government_n and_o yet_o in_o their_o judgement_n to_o allow_v especial_o in_o some_o case_n a_o particular_a congregation_n and_o entire_a and_o complete_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n within_o itself_o do_v they_o practise_v one_o way_n and_o allow_v another_o way_n or_o do_v they_o hold_v both_o way_n the_o way_n of_o god_n or_o what_o be_v it_o you_o mean_v in_o this_o narration_n of_o those_o church_n or_o can_v it_o be_v mean_v in_o the_o same_o sense_n and_o acception_n to_o practice_v one_o thing_n and_o yet_o allow_v another_o or_o will_v you_o make_v the_o lesser_a matter_n practise_v in_o their_o particular_a church_n by_o their_o own_o elder_n to_o be_v the_o same_o with_o some_o case_n wherein_o they_o allow_v particular_a congregation_n a_o entire_a and_o complete_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n within_o themselves_o now_o the_o latter_a namely_o in_o some_o case_n can_v be_v mean_v for_o then_o this_o last_o part_n be_v no_o more_o than_o the_o first_o neither_o can_v your_o word_n of_o a_o entire_a complete_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o the_o particular_a congregation_n be_v mean_v of_o small_a matter_n but_o of_o the_o great_a matter_n in_o some_o case_n you_o shall_v do_v well_o in_o your_o reply_n to_o english_a these_o line_n about_o the_o difference_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n practice_n in_o great_a matter_n and_o their_o different_a judgement_n in_o some_o case_n and_o show_v we_o in_o what_o sense_n they_o mean_v it_o and_o whether_o it_o can_v be_v proper_o and_o true_o allege_v for_o your_o case_n of_o entire_a and_o complete_a power_n in_o your_o congregation_n three_o this_o which_o you_o here_o relate_v of_o the_o reform_a church_n practice_v and_o allowance_n be_v fallacious_o set_v down_o and_o for_o your_o own_o advantage_n mere_o to_o make_v out_o this_o three_o principle_n that_o you_o still_o choose_v to_o practice_v safe_o namely_o what_o the_o reform_a church_n allow_v and_o acknowledge_v warrantable_a only_o they_o superad_v presbyterial_a combination_n whereas_o the_o reform_a church_n do_v not_o as_o you_o well_o know_v in_o the_o case_n and_o question_v controvert_v between_o they_o and_o you_o allow_v particular_a congregation_n in_o a_o kingdom_n and_o nation_n conceive_v the_o reform_a religion_n to_o have_v a_o entire_a and_o complete_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n within_o themselves_o what_o may_v be_v in_o some_o of_o their_o book_n in_o extraordinary_a or_o special_a case_n where_o there_o be_v but_o one_o particular_a congregation_n in_o a_o country_n or_o the_o like_a that_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n it_o be_v lay_v for_o a_o common_a ground_n by_o they_o all_o that_o every_o particular_a church_n in_o a_o nation_n or_o kingdom_n be_v not_o to_o be_v leave_v to_o itself_o but_o that_o there_o be_v a_o necessity_n of_o a_o common_a national_a government_n to_o preserve_v all_o the_o church_n in_o unity_n and_o peace_n and_o to_o clear_v the_o reform_a church_n of_o france_n holland_n 18._o scotland_n from_o what_o you_o say_v they_o allow_v i_o do_v not_o find_v in_o their_o book_n of_o discipline_n and_o platform_n of_o church_n government_n by_o which_o we_o must_v judge_v of_o their_o judgement_n nor_o in_o their_o practice_n that_o they_o do_v allow_v a_o entire_a and_o complete_a power_n to_o be_v exercise_v by_o the_o elder_n of_o every_o congregation_n alone_o either_o in_o the_o make_n or_o ordain_v of_o minister_n or_o in_o depose_v their_o minister_n or_o in_o draw_v up_o a_o form_n of_o doctrine_n worship_n and_o discipline_n for_o themselves_o they_o allow_v power_n of_o admonition_n suspension_n from_o the_o lord_n supper_n and_o of_o take_v up_o lesser_a difference_n by_o the_o particular_a eldership_n and_o if_o i_o forget_v not_o the_o church_n of_o france_n only_o practise_v excommunication_n by_o the_o elder_n in_o particular_a congregation_n without_o carry_v it_o at_o first_o high_o but_o then_o if_o we_o consider_v that_o in_o those_o church_n of_o france_n their_o eldership_n go_v upon_o certain_a fix_a rule_n in_o there_o excommunication_n lay_v down_o in_o their_o book_n of_o discipline_n who_o if_o they_o proceed_v otherwise_o be_v liable_a to_o censure_v themselves_o and_o their_o be_v appeal_v to_o synod_n and_o assembly_n and_o all_o be_v carry_v in_o reference_n and_o dependence_n to_o assembly_n the_o case_n be_v very_o different_a now_o if_o the_o church_n of_o your_o way_n and_o communion_n in_o old_a england_n and_o in_o new_a will_v yield_v to_o have_v a_o government_n fix_v and_o settle_v by_o synod_n and_o assembly_n establish_v also_o by_o the_o magistrate_n upon_o which_o rule_n and_o order_n they_o shall_v proceed_v in_o the_o way_n of_o make_v minister_n and_o that_o such_o error_n in_o doctrine_n and_o such_o evil_a manner_n aught_o to_o be_v the_o subject_n of_o excommunication_n and_o then_o agree_v upon_o appeal_n to_o synod_n and_o assembly_n than_o there_o will_v be_v less_o dangâ—…r_n in_o such_o a_o entire_a and_o complete_a power_n in_o particular_a congregation_n to_o the_o second_o particular_a under_o this_o first_o head_n namely_o what_o some_o of_o the_o old_a non-conformists'_a grant_n place_v the_o power_n of_o excommunication_n in_o the_o eldership_n of_o each_o particular_a church_n until_o they_o do_v miscarry_v and_o then_o indeed_o subjâ—…cting_v they_o to_o presbytâ—…riall_n and_o provincial_n assembly_n and_o that_o it_o can_v not_o be_v infallible_o prove_v that_o any_o of_o the_o church_n record_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v so_o numerous_a as_o necessary_o to_o exceed_v the_o limit_n of_o one_o particular_a congregatïon_n and_o that_o both_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o our_o non-conformists'_a all_o grant_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v several_a elder_n in_o every_o congregation_n who_o have_v power_n over_o they_o in_o the_o lord_n i_o answer_v as_o follow_v for_o mr_n cartwright_n you_o not_o quote_v which_o of_o his_o book_n you_o have_v reference_n to_o and_o so_o not_o know_v which_o to_o turn_v to_o to_o find_v out_o what_o you_o assert_v of_o he_o i_o shall_v not_o deny_v it_o but_o as_o for_o mr_n baynes_n diocesan_n trial_n which_o be_v the_o only_a book_n i_o ever_o hear_v of_o wherein_o he_o handle_v these_o point_n he_o do_v in_o the_o three_o question_n give_v the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o the_o exercise_n of_o it_o to_o a_o unite_a multitude_n of_o presbyter_n in_o which_o book_n howsoever_o as_o intend_v his_o book_n against_o diocesan_n bishop_n and_o diocesan_n church_n to_o who_o all_o presbyter_n and_o church_n stand_v in_o subjection_n and_o subordination_n he_o plead_v against_o they_o for_o the_o power_n of_o the_o particular_a elder_n in_o the_o several_a congregation_n yet_o as_o against_o the_o reform_a church_n practice_v namely_o of_o a_o presbyterial_a church_n consist_v of_o many_o particular_a congregation_n and_o rule_v by_o the_o elder_n of_o several_a congregation_n combine_v he_o plead_v not_o but_o express_o in_o answer_n make_v to_o those_o two_o objection_n from_o the_o church_n and_o elder_n where_o there_o be_v a_o co-ordination_a and_o a_o communiâ—…y_n in_o government_n as_o in_o the_o low_a country_n and_o at_o géneva_n he_o grant_v the_o thing_n contend_v for_o against_o your_o congregationall_a way_n even_o before_o miscarry_v and_o show_v thâ—…_n great_a difference_n between_o the_o diocesan_n government_n and_o the_o presbyterial_a in_o several_a particular_n and_o answer_v your_o objection_n which_o you_o common_o make_v of_o a_o foreign_a extrinsicall_a power_n and_o for_o your_o better_a satisfaction_n read_v and_o compare_v together_o the_o passage_n in_o these_o page_n of_o mr_n baynes_n diocesan_n trial_n page_n 21_o page_n 11._o what_o be_v mean_v by_o a_o diocesan_n church_n and_o in_o the_o 12_o page_n two_o first_o conclusion_n agree_v in_o and_o in_o the_o 16_o page_n and_o for_o the_o non-conformists'_a in_o their_o write_n against_o the_o episcopal_a government_n and_o diocesan_n church_n though_o they_o put_v the_o bishop_n their_o adversary_n all_o they_o can_v to_o it_o to_o make_v they_o prove_v
be_v so_o many_o as_o they_o can_v meet_v in_o one_o place_n but_o have_v more_o meet_v place_n yet_o in_o imitation_n of_o the_o scripture_n give_v that_o ground_n to_o some_o who_o have_v ask_v they_o a_o reason_n they_o make_v city_n church_n but_o one_o and_o the_o minister_n be_v minister_n in_o common_a of_o they_o all_o preach_v in_o their_o course_n in_o the_o several_a meeting_n place_n and_o govern_v in_o common_a and_o this_o they_o do_v to_o keep_v near_o to_o apostolical_a practice_n whereas_o now_o in_o the_o country_n where_o village_n be_v and_o the_o meeting_n be_v scatter_v they_o do_v not_o all_o preach_v to_o all_o and_o to_o add_v this_o further_a to_o show_v your_o unsafe_a way_n of_o practise_v in_o the_o way_n of_o your_o particular_a congregation_n over_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o our_o church_n in_o england_n your_o congregation_n as_o in_o london_n where_o the_o meeting_n place_n be_v and_o the_o minister_n reside_v be_v make_v up_o of_o member_n as_o of_o some_o live_n in_o london_n so_o of_o some_o in_o surrey_n middlesex_n hartfordsheire_n essex_n where_o they_o have_v fixum_fw-la domicilium_fw-la being_n twenty_o mile_n asunder_o and_o many_o member_n meet_v but_o sometime_o in_o a_o month_n where_o neither_o minister_n can_v oversee_v they_o nor_o member_n watch_v over_o one_o another_o not_o know_v what_o the_o conversation_n of_o each_o other_o be_v which_o yet_o be_v bring_v as_o the_o main_a ground_n for_o your_o church-fellowship_n which_o non-residencie_a of_o the_o member_n from_o one_o another_o and_o of_o the_o officer_n from_o so_o many_o of_o the_o member_n whether_o it_o overthrow_v not_o and_o be_v not_o point_v blank_a against_o many_o of_o your_o principle_n of_o the_o churchway_n i_o leave_v to_o yourselves_o to_o judge_v beside_o that_o it_o be_v without_o any_o primitive_a pattern_n and_o example_n of_o the_o church_n erect_v by_o the_o apostle_n the_o church_n be_v still_o style_v according_a to_o the_o place_n where_o they_o live_v and_o meet_v as_o in_o rom._n 1._o 7._o to_o all_o that_o be_v in_o rome_n belove_v of_o god_n call_v to_o be_v saint_n and_o so_o in_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o corinthian_n to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n which_o be_v at_o corinth_n and_o i_o desire_v you_o to_o give_v i_o any_o primitive_a pattern_n of_o any_o who_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n corinth_n jerusalem_n that_o be_v be_v stand_v member_n of_o those_o church_n who_o live_v and_o inhabit_v ten_o mile_n twenty_o five_o mile_n etc._n etc._n round_o about_o those_o city_n so_o that_o we_o find_v here_o in_o this_o three_o instance_n namely_o in_o the_o government_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o first_o instance_n in_o the_o qualification_n of_o your_o member_n that_o the_o additament_n be_v on_o your_o side_n and_o not_o on_o the_o reform_a church_n to_o the_o three_o head_n namely_o the_o reason_n couch_v and_o hint_v for_o your_o own_o practice_n and_o against_o the_o practice_n and_o way_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n to_o the_o first_o reason_n i_o answer_v as_o the_o relate_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n be_v not_o proper_a so_o this_o argument_n hint_v here_o be_v not_o proper_o express_v for_o their_o might_n be_v such_o a_o presbyterial_a church_n and_o government_n as_o be_v maintain_v against_o you_o namely_o but_o two_o or_o three_o distinct_a meet_v place_n and_o yet_o not_o church_n rise_v to_o such_o a_o numerous_a multiplication_n nor_o apostle_n stay_v to_o the_o set_n up_o of_o church_n until_o they_o rise_v to_o such_o a_o numerous_a multiplication_n but_o pray_v what_o do_v you_o mean_v by_o those_o expression_n we_o do_v not_o imagine_v but_o may_v you_o not_o or_o can_v you_o not_o have_v imagine_v it_o though_o you_o do_v not_o nor_o will_v not_o and_o what_o by_o this_o that_o the_o apostle_n shall_v stay_v the_o set_n up_o of_o any_o church_n at_o all_o until_o they_o rise_v to_o make_v such_o a_o numerous_a multiplication_n as_o may_v make_v such_o a_o presbyterial_a combination_n do_v you_o carry_v the_o word_n in_o reference_n only_o to_o that_o numerous_a multiplication_n or_o simple_o and_o positive_o that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o stay_v so_o long_o in_o any_o city_n as_o to_o set_v up_o any_o church_n at_o all_o now_o if_o you_o will_v have_v your_o word_n interpret_v in_o the_o first_o sense_n then_o judge_v how_o improper_a the_o speech_n and_o narration_n of_o your_o mind_n be_v for_o than_o it_o shall_v have_v go_v thus_o that_o the_o apostle_n shall_v stay_v the_o set_n up_o of_o so_o many_o church_n until_o they_o rise_v to_o such_o a_o numerous_a multiplication_n for_o the_o deny_v the_o set_n up_o of_o any_o church_n and_o at_o all_o agree_v not_o with_o the_o follow_a word_n until_o they_o rise_v to_o such_o a_o numerous_a multiplication_n the_o former_a be_v a_o diminutive_a nay_o a_o negative_a and_o can_v agree_v to_o such_o a_o augmentative_a as_o the_o latter_a beside_o your_o first_o word_n carry_v in_o reference_n to_o the_o follow_v have_v no_o strength_n to_o prove_v what_o you_o bring_v they_o for_o namely_o what_o you_o allow_v and_o practise_v or_o what_o you_o disallow_v for_o though_o the_o apostle_n shall_v not_o stay_v so_o long_o as_o the_o set_n up_o so_o many_o church_n as_o may_v arise_v to_o such_o a_o numerous_a multiplication_n of_o several_a and_o sundry_a congregation_n yet_o there_o may_v be_v such_o a_o presbyterial_a classical_a church_n a_o church_n consist_v of_o more_o than_o can_v meet_v in_o one_o place_n which_o be_v the_o controversy_n between_o we_o but_o if_o you_o understand_v your_o word_n simple_o and_o positive_o that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o stay_v the_o set_n up_o of_o any_o church_n at_o all_o i_o desire_v you_o to_o remember_v your_o own_o principle_n and_o expression_n in_o many_o book_n and_o discourse_n of_o your_o way_n that_o the_o apostle_n be_v the_o founder_n of_o the_o first_o church_n as_o at_o corinth_n rome_n and_o for_o jerusalem_n especial_o which_o be_v the_o particular_a church_n we_o most_o stand_v upon_o the_o apostle_n stay_v long_o enough_o there_o to_o set_v up_o not_o only_o any_o church_n at_o all_o but_o many_o to_o make_v such_o a_o presbyterial_a combination_n as_o be_v stand_v for_o as_o will_v appear_v both_o by_o act_n 8._o act_n 15._o act_n 21._o and_o it_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o mr_n robinson_n that_o jerusalem_n be_v never_o without_o some_o of_o the_o apostle_n there_o which_o the_o two_o first_o chapter_n of_o the_o galatian_n give_v a_o strong_a ground_n for_o beside_o the_o many_o presbyter_n that_o belong_v thereunto_o and_o so_o for_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n paul_n stay_v at_o one_o time_n in_o those_o part_n three_o year_n together_o long_a enough_o to_o make_v so_o many_o church_n as_o may_v make_v a_o presbyterial_a combination_n which_o that_o of_o the_o act_n chap._n 20._o vers_fw-la 17_o 18_o 25_o 28_o 29_o 31._o do_v give_v hint_n enough_o for_o if_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o answer_n to_o a_o narration_n will_v permit_v to_o draw_v they_o out_o at_o length_n to_o the_o second_o reason_n hint_v that_o those_o precept_n obey_v your_o elder_n and_o they_o that_o be_v over_o you_o be_v to_o be_v sure_o mean_v of_o the_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n set_v over_o they_o in_o each_o particular_a congregation_n respective_o and_o to_o be_v as_o certain_o the_o intendment_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o in_o those_o command_n wife_n obey_v your_o own_o husband_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v that_o in_o scripture_n a_o particular_a church_n consist_v of_o more_o congregation_n than_o one_o and_o the_o minister_n and_o elder_n feed_v they_o and_o govern_v they_o in_o common_a as_o at_o jerusalem_n and_o as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o low_a country_n in_o city_n there_o as_o at_o amsterdam_n etc._n etc._n all_o the_o minister_n and_o elder_n be_v their_o own_o minister_n and_o elder_n as_o the_o husband_n be_v the_o own_o of_o their_o wife_n and_o those_o scripture_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o all_o their_o pastor_n and_o minister_n and_o not_o of_o some_o only_a or_o in_o respect_n of_o some_o and_o not_o of_o the_o rest_n and_o it_o be_v as_o certain_o the_o intendment_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o in_o that_o command_n wife_n obey_v your_o own_o husband_n that_o obey_v your_o elder_n etc._n etc._n be_v mean_v not_o of_o some_o but_o of_o they_o all_o 2._o in_o church_n by_o their_o combination_n consist_v of_o many_o congregation_n where_o ordinary_o some_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n feed_v some_o congregation_n and_o not_o the_o rest_n minister_n be_v fix_v some_o to_o that_o congregation_n and_o other_o to_o other_o congregation_n yet_o there_o be_v a_o government_n in_o common_a by_o all_o the_o presbyter_n of_o
of_o dort_n and_o unto_o ostensum_fw-la vedelius_fw-la de_fw-la episcopatu_fw-la constantini_n magni_fw-la who_o as_o all_o man_n know_v give_v in_o that_o book_n power_n enough_o to_o magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_n yet_o he_o lay_v down_o at_o large_a that_o as_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o socinian_o follow_v the_o donatist_n give_v too_o little_a to_o the_o magistrate_n so_o the_o arminian_n do_v offend_v in_o the_o excess_n for_o before_o the_o synod_n of_o dort_n they_o contend_v that_o under_o the_o orthodox_n magistrate_n the_o church_n have_v of_o itself_o no_o spiritual_a power_n the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n do_v perform_v their_o office_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o magistrate_n so_o that_o the_o magistrate_n because_o he_o for_o other_o business_n can_v not_o preach_v etc._n etc._n he_o do_v preach_v by_o the_o minister_n they_o give_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o magistrate_n alone_o they_o give_v the_o call_n of_o minister_n and_o their_o depose_n to_o the_o magistrate_n alone_o with_o many_o other_o such_o but_o afâ—…er_v the_o synod_n they_o deny_v it_o be_v their_o right_n and_o office_n to_o oblige_v man_n by_o their_o authority_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o synod_n however_o agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n or_o to_o use_v any_o coactive_a power_n in_o that_o case_n etc._n etc._n in_o which_o they_o take_v away_o as_o much_o from_o the_o magistrate_n as_o in_o other_o thing_n they_o seem_v to_o give_v and_o it_o may_v be_v fear_v however_o these_o apologist_n now_o to_o ingratiate_v themselves_o and_o be_v leave_v alone_o in_o their_o churchway_n say_v they_o give_v more_o to_o the_o magistrate_n than_o the_o presbyterial_a and_o that_o they_o profess_v to_o submit_v and_o to_o be_v most_o willing_a to_o have_v recourse_n to_o the_o magistrate_n judgement_n and_o cognizance_n and_o examination_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n yet_o when_o they_o shall_v come_v once_o to_o be_v cross_v and_o the_o parliament_n by_o the_o advice_n of_o the_o assembly_n to_o settle_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o by_o their_o authority_n to_o bind_v they_o to_o the_o thing_n agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n we_o shall_v see_v then_o what_o they_o will_v say_v of_o the_o magistrate_n power_n there_o be_v too_o many_o speech_n already_o since_o the_o meeting_n of_o the_o assembly_n out_o of_o their_o fear_n how_o thing_n may_v go_v which_o have_v fall_v from_o many_o independent_o that_o prognosticate_n they_o will_v do_v by_o the_o parliament_n as_o the_o remonstrant_n do_v after_o the_o synod_n of_o dort_n by_o the_o state_n 2._o but_o whatever_o you_o say_v here_o that_o you_o think_v you_o give_v more_o to_o the_o magistrate_n than_o the_o principle_n suffragamur_fw-la of_o the_o presbyterian_a government_n will_v suffer_v they_o to_o yield_v i_o do_v much_o doubt_v it_o and_o do_v judge_v that_o in_o many_o thing_n you_o give_v no_o more_o in_o ecclesiastical_n then_o the_o presbyterian_o and_o in_o other_o you_o give_v less_o and_o they_o give_v more_o m._n robinson_n in_o his_o apology_n say_v of_o himself_o and_o his_o church_n that_o in_o the_o point_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o his_o office_n they_o hold_v altogether_o the_o same_o thing_n which_o the_o belgic_a church_n do_v and_o that_o to_o their_o confession_n in_o this_o point_n they_o do_v ex_fw-la animo_fw-la agree_v now_o the_o belgic_a church_n be_v presbyterian_o and_o your_o churchway_n &_o m._n robinson_n differ_v not_o much_o â—…o_o that_o till_o you_o know_v what_o you_o give_v more_o to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n then_o m._n robinson_n and_o his_o church_n do_v i_o can_v believe_v you_o especial_o consider_v that_o m._n burroughes_n one_o of_o you_o in_o his_o lecture_n upon_o hosea_n speak_v of_o the_o power_n of_o magistrate_n in_o church_n affair_n veâ—…_n give_v no_o more_o to_o they_o then_o the_o rigide_a presbyterian_o namely_o that_o the_o king_n be_v supreme_a governor_n to_o govern_v in_o a_o civil_a way_n by_o civil_a law_n so_o as_o to_o sâ—…_n christ_n not_o dishonour_v so_o as_o to_o keep_v out_o idolatry_n to_o protect_v the_o church_n to_o punish_v enormitio_n that_o be_v there_o to_o define_v it_o from_o enemy_n in_o that_o sense_n he_o be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o head_n but_o that_o title_n of_o supreme_a governor_n be_v understand_v in_o a_o civil_a way_n be_v more_o proper_a now_o it_o be_v easy_a out_o of_o beza_n calvin_n zanchius_n and_o many_o presbyterian_o to_o show_v more_o power_n give_v to_o king_n by_o they_o in_o matter_n of_o religion_n then_o by_o m._n burroughes_n there_o so_o that_o i_o have_v more_o reason_n to_o judge_v of_o your_o principle_n by_o what_o m._n burroughes_n write_v particular_o and_o by_o way_n of_o answer_v doubt_n of_o conscience_n then_o from_o a_o narrration_n in_o general_a and_o from_o we_o think_v more_o than_o the_o principle_n of_o presbyterial_a government_n will_v suffer_v they_o to_o yield_v in_o other_o thing_n you_o give_v not_o so_o much_o to_o the_o magistrate_n as_o the_o presbyterian_o first_o whereas_o the_o a_o presbyterian_o do_v acknowledge_v the_o protestant_a prince_n and_o magistrate_n a_o eminent_a member_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o their_o great_a assembly_n and_o counsel_n give_v he_o a_o eminent_a place_n and_o power_n you_o according_a to_o your_o principle_n do_v not_o own_v he_o for_o a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o shall_v his_o child_n be_v admit_v to_o baptism_n nor_o he_o to_o the_o ordinance_n though_o a_o protestant_n and_o orthodox_n unless_o you_o account_v he_o a_o visible_a saint_n etc._n etc._n neither_o do_v you_o give_v he_o so_o much_o power_n or_o vote_n no_o not_o in_o a_o particular_a church_n in_o any_o church_n matter_n of_o censure_n admission_n election_n of_o officer_n etc._n etc._n as_o you_o do_v give_v to_o one_o of_o your_o serve_a man_n and_o the_o supreme_a magistrate_n and_o his_o child_n though_o bring_v up_o and_o profess_v the_o true_a religion_n may_v be_v and_o will_v be_v keep_v from_o the_o sacrament_n all_o their_o day_n 2._o the_o presbyterian_o give_v to_o the_o magistrate_n a_o coercive_a and_o coactive_a power_n to_o suppress_v heresy_n schism_n to_o correct_v troubler_n and_o unruly_a person_n in_o the_o church_n to_o tie_v and_o bind_v man_n by_o their_o authority_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o synod_n make_v according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o power_n as_o b_o voetius_fw-la show_n only_o the_o remonstrant_n with_o the_o libertine_n do_v not_o admit_v but_o all_o the_o presbyterian_o do_v reject_v such_o opinion_n that_o the_o magistrate_n can_v not_o by_o his_o stringere_fw-la authority_n bind_v and_o compel_v man_n to_o observe_v the_o decree_n of_o synod_n conformable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n ordinem_fw-la now_o do_v you_o allow_v the_o magistrate_n such_o a_o power_n by_o your_o plead_n for_o toleration_n of_o religion_n and_o for_o liberty_n of_o conscience_n and_o that_o conscience_n be_v not_o to_o be_v tie_v and_o by_o your_o speak_n against_o imposition_n of_o thing_n lawful_a and_o agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n as_o set_v form_n of_o prayer_n decree_v by_o synod_n and_o such_o like_a it_o be_v very_o suspicious_a you_o allow_v not_o such_o a_o power_n to_o magistrate_n and_o your_o good_a friend_n â—…0_n m._n s._n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o observation_n and_o consideration_n upon_o your_o apologetical_a narration_n plead_v your_o cause_n deny_v and_o plead_v against_o this_o coercive_a power_n of_o the_o magistrate_n 3._o the_o presbyterian_o give_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o power_n to_o the_o supreme_a christian_a magistrate_n in_o the_o reformation_n of_o religion_n and_o in_o repair_v and_o build_v the_o house_n of_o god_n as_o may_v be_v show_v out_o of_o calvin_n zanchius_n peter_n martyr_n etc._n etc._n but_o whether_o the_o independent_o give_v as_o much_o when_o they_o allow_v private_a man_n to_o gather_v and_o make_v church_n and_o minister_n to_o do_v such_o public_a work_n and_o that_o without_o leave_n nay_o against_o the_o mind_n and_o law_n of_o the_o supreme_a magistrate_n i_o question_v there_o be_v a_o tractate_n in_o my_o hand_n about_o a_o church_n that_o go_v under_o the_o name_n of_o one_o of_o you_o wherein_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v cut_v off_o and_o minister_n too_o from_o have_v any_o power_n to_o make_v church_n and_o the_o immediate_a independent_a power_n from_o christ_n be_v give_v to_o the_o saint_n only_o to_o gather_v and_o combine_v themselves_o in_o such_o a_o assembly_n without_o expect_v warrant_n from_o any_o governor_n what_o soever_o upon_o earth_n saint_n as_o saint_n have_v a_o right_n and_o full_a power_n to_o cast_v themselves_o into_o the_o fellowship_n without_o ask_v the_o consent_n of_o governor_n and_o civil_a magistrate_n who_o have_v no_o power_n in_o the_o marriage_n of_o their_o people_n nor_o shall_v have_v it_o be_v a_o act_n of_o natural_a civil_a
you_o may_v call_v it_o exile_n because_o you_o do_v fly_v out_o of_o your_o own_o country_n though_o none_o persecute_v you_o to_o shun_v persecution_n before_o it_o come_v as_o foresee_v possibility_n of_o danger_n yet_o you_o can_v in_o no_o sense_n be_v call_v poor_a exile_n for_o you_o be_v rich_a exile_n who_o in_o holland_n enjoy_v many_o convenience_n and_o such_o abundance_n as_o to_o be_v able_a some_o of_o you_o to_o spend_v 200_o or_o 300._o lb._n per_fw-la annum_fw-la and_o to_o do_v other_o expensive_a act_n which_o for_o present_a i_o forbear_v to_o name_n and_o i_o can_v produce_v letter_n of_o many_o conveniency_n which_o you_o enjoy_v there_o letter_n before_o quote_v by_o i_o of_o m._n archer_n speak_v so_o much_o poor_a exile_n be_v such_o who_o have_v no_o certain_a dwelling-place_n maintenance_n friend_n but_o how_o they_o can_v be_v call_v poor_a exile_n that_o enjoy_v wife_n child_n friend_n full_a and_o liberal_a maintenance_n annual_o liberty_n of_o calling_n with_o all_o pleasure_n and_o delight_n as_o much_o or_o rather_o more_o than_o in_o their_o own_o country_n i_o see_v not_o suppose_v some_o merchant_n and_o tradesman_n who_o can_v not_o so_o well_o nor_o so_o much_o to_o their_o advantage_n follow_v their_o calling_n and_o drive_v their_o trade_n in_o their_o own_o country_n shall_v for_o their_o better_a advantage_n and_o accomodaton_n in_o these_o kind_n go_v with_o their_o family_n into_o another_o country_n can_v these_o be_v call_v exile_n suppose_v a_o minister_n who_o dislike_a some_o thing_n here_o in_o the_o present_a government_n to_o be_v establish_v or_o want_v a_o liberal_a maintenance_n or_o fear_v the_o war_n shall_v go_v over_o to_o rotterdam_n hambrough_n to_o preach_v to_o the_o company_n of_o merchant_n there_o where_o he_o shall_v have_v better_a mean_n can_v this_o minister_n be_v style_v a_o poor_a exile_n now_o i_o leave_v you_o and_o the_o reader_n to_o make_v application_n as_o for_o those_o word_n god_n bring_v you_o back_o again_o in_o these_o revolution_n of_o the_o time_n into_o your_o own_o land_n i_o know_v god_n permit_v it_o and_o order_v it_o but_o i_o well_o know_v satan_n hasten_v and_o further_v it_o for_o the_o divide_n of_o the_o godly_a party_n here_o and_o for_o the_o obstruct_v the_o work_n of_o reformation_n and_o hinder_v the_o settle_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n that_o so_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n he_o may_v increase_v his_o kingdom_n and_o bring_v in_o a_o flood_n of_o all_o error_n and_o licentiousness_n upon_o we_o and_o brethren_n let_v i_o speak_v sad_o to_o you_o not_o out_o of_o passion_n but_o out_o of_o long_a and_o serious_a deliberation_n it_o have_v be_v good_a for_o you_o and_o for_o we_o that_o you_o have_v continue_v exile_n still_o and_o that_o neither_o you_o five_o nor_o they_o of_o new-england_n have_v hear_v of_o the_o revolution_n of_o our_o time_n and_o god_n visit_v we_o in_o mercy_n till_o the_o church_n and_o government_n have_v be_v settle_v i_o be_o confident_a that_o thing_n have_v not_o then_o be_v at_o that_o pass_v now_o as_o they_o be_v as_o for_o that_o parenthesis_n the_o pour_v forth_o of_o manifold_a prayer_n and_o tear_n for_o the_o prosperity_n of_o the_o kingdom_n in_o a_o strange_a land_n i_o will_v not_o gainsay_v it_o only_o let_v i_o mind_n you_o of_o two_o passage_n in_o your_o apology_n ourselves_o have_v no_o hope_n of_o ever_o so_o much_o as_o visit_v our_o own_o land_n again_o in_o peace_n and_o safety_n to_o our_o person_n and_o the_o other_o when_o we_o have_v least_o dependencie_n on_o this_o kingdom_n or_o so_o much_o as_o hope_n ever_o to_o abide_v therein_o in_o peace_n now_o take_v away_o faith_n &_o hope_n &_o endeavour_n will_v much_o cease_v &_o this_o i_o judge_n shall_v much_o hinder_v your_o prayer_n and_o tear_n for_o the_o prosperity_n of_o the_o land_n for_o my_o part_n i_o have_v much_o hope_n of_o the_o kingdom_n when_o thing_n be_v at_o worst_a and_o i_o express_v it_o both_o in_o preach_v and_o conference_n to_o many_o and_o some_o can_v witness_v what_o i_o have_v say_v to_o they_o of_o the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o that_o faction_n and_o of_o the_o revolution_n of_o the_o time_n god_n be_v please_v so_o to_o support_v my_o spirit_n that_o i_o expect_v and_o wait_v as_o man_n do_v for_o the_o light_n of_o the_o morning_n when_o that_o every_o day_n god_n will_v arise_v and_o do_v some_o great_a work_n and_o change_v the_o time_n and_o season_n as_o for_o your_o find_v the_o judgement_n of_o many_o of_o your_o godly_a learned_a brethren_n in_o the_o ministry_n that_o desire_v a_o general_a reformation_n to_o differ_v from_o you_o in_o some_o thing_n that_o be_v no_o marvel_n i_o wonder_v you_o can_v expect_v it_o otherwise_o be_v but_o a_o few_o young_a man_n of_o yesterday_o and_o go_v a_o way_n by_o yourselves_o so_o different_a from_o all_o reform_a church_n but_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o you_o find_v not_o only_o the_o judgement_n of_o many_o godly_a minister_n that_o desire_v a_o general_a reformation_n but_o the_o judgement_n of_o they_o all_o who_o be_v in_o public_a employment_n and_o of_o any_o great_a account_n to_o differ_v from_o you_o not_o only_o in_o some_o thing_n but_o even_o in_o your_o whole_a church_n way_n how_o ever_o that_o since_o by_o your_o presence_n and_o your_o politic_a way_n of_o work_v and_o the_o strong_a stream_n of_o popular_a applause_n run_v that_o way_n some_o few_o minister_n uncertain_a heady_a inconstant_a wanton-witted_n man_n be_v since_o come_v off_o to_o your_o way_n but_o as_o for_o your_o confidence_n and_o open_a profession_n that_o in_o the_o thing_n wherein_o you_o differ_v from_o many_o of_o your_o godly_a brethren_n that_o you_o profess_o judge_v the_o calvinian_a reform_v church_n of_o the_o first_o reformation_n from_o out_o of_o popery_n to_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o a_o further_a reformation_n themselves_o i_o answer_v they_o may_v do_v so_o and_o i_o know_v no_o church_n yet_o so_o perfect_a but_o may_v stand_v in_o need_n of_o some_o further_a reformation_n and_o the_o commissioner_n of_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n grant_v you_o so_o much_o pag._n 7._o that_o they_o be_v most_o willing_a to_o hear_v church-government_n and_o learn_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n what_o need_v further_a to_o be_v reform_v in_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n now_o whether_o your_o church_n and_o those_o of_o new_a england_n be_v so_o perfect_a though_o not_o of_o the_o first_o reformation_n as_o to_o stand_v in_o no_o need_n of_o a_o further_a reformation_n in_o government_n i_o much_o doubt_v especial_o consider_v that_o letter_n late_o come_v from_o new-england_n write_v by_o m._n parker_n as_o also_o a_o neither_o letter_n from_o m._n wilson_n of_o boston_n and_o a_o terrible_a let_v from_o a_o reverend_a godly_a minister_n there_o who_o name_n i_o have_v be_v entreat_v to_o conceal_v lest_o it_o may_v much_o prejudice_v he_o there_o but_o for_o answer_v i_o must_v tell_v you_o i_o do_v profess_o judge_v that_o in_o your_o sense_n in_o the_o thing_n except_v against_o by_o you_o the_o reform_a church_n particular_o that_o of_o scotland_n need_v not_o a_o further_a reformation_n namely_o to_o come_v to_o your_o principle_n of_o democracie_n independency_n libertinism_n and_o to_o keep_v all_o those_o and_o their_o child_n from_o admission_n into_o the_o visible_a church_n who_o you_o keep_v out_o and_o to_o condemn_v as_o unlawful_a all_o set_a form_n of_o prayer_n compose_v by_o synod_n and_o assembly_n though_o never_o so_o holy_a and_o heavenly_a for_o matter_n and_o frame_v and_o as_o to_o that_o that_o it_o may_v without_o prejudice_n to_o they_o or_o the_o imputation_n of_o schism_n in_o you_o be_v think_v that_o come_v new_a out_o of_o popery_n they_o may_v not_o be_v full_o perfect_v the_o first_o day_n i_o answer_v they_o never_o think_v so_o neither_o be_v they_o so_o full_o perfect_a in_o church_n government_n the_o first_o day_n but_o the_o reform_a church_n particular_o the_o french-churche_n have_v many_o synod_n assembly_n and_o colloquy_n where_o point_n of_o government_n and_o order_n have_v be_v further_o debate_v clear_v and_o canon_n add_v and_o in_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n after_o doctrine_n be_v establish_v they_o be_v exercise_v in_o conference_n and_o assembly_n about_o matter_n of_o discipline_n and_o government_n which_o be_v the_o perfection_n speak_v of_o here_o by_o you_o above_o twenty_o year_n 14._o beside_o consider_v that_o the_o reform_a church_n both_o in_o france_n scotland_n and_o holland_n have_v heretofore_o be_v trouble_v with_o the_o main_a of_o your_o principle_n and_o have_v hear_v all_o the_o argument_n and_o reason_n for_o they_o and_o against_o their_o own_o way_n and_o that_o both_o of_o old_a
and_o now_o of_o late_a year_n scotland_n of_o old_a have_v be_v trouble_v with_o the_o separatist_n and_o the_o church_n of_o france_n by_o morellius_n against_o who_o sadeel_n do_v write_v and_o â—…8_n beza_n in_o his_o epistle_n write_v against_o that_o principle_n of_o the_o power_n of_o the_o people_n that_o nothing_o be_v ratify_v except_o the_o people_n present_a by_o their_o express_a suffrage_n do_v decree_v it_o and_o against_o 83_o private_a man_n prophesy_v in_o the_o church_n and_o of_o late_a though_o the_o controversy_n be_v grow_v so_o high_a yet_o divine_v both_o in_o holland_n and_o scotland_n as_o yourselves_o confess_v have_v write_v against_o your_o way_n and_o can_v see_v no_o light_n iâ—…m_v it_o and_o in_o a_o general_a assembly_n of_o scotland_n since_o our_o parliament_n the_o point_n be_v move_v and_o debate_v there_o it_o be_v conclude_v against_o by_o the_o whole_a assembly_n nemine_fw-la contradiconte_fw-la as_o a_o letter_n write_v from_o that_o assembly_n to_o many_o minister_n in_o the_o city_n which_o i_o hear_v read_v at_o a_o meeting_n testify_v neither_o be_v any_o of_o the_o reform_a church_n yet_o satisfy_v by_o all_o that_o have_v be_v write_v about_o your_o independent_a government_n nor_o our_o present_a assembly_n by_o all_o they_o have_v hear_v from_o you_o after_o so_o many_o day_n speak_v for_o your_o way_n so_o that_o what_o the_o reform_a church_n stand_v for_o now_o be_v not_o as_o come_v new_a out_o of_o popery_n and_o so_o want_v light_n as_o you_o assert_v and_o therefore_o though_o they_o have_v not_o apostolic_a infallibility_n yet_o they_o may_v well_o be_v in_o the_o right_n for_o church-government_n and_o therefore_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o the_o church_n of_o england_n too_o judge_v of_o government_n now_o after_o above_o 80._o year_n come_v out_o of_o popery_n and_o after_o hear_v all_o that_o have_v be_v say_v and_o that_o you_o can_v say_v now_o after_o almost_o a_o year_n sit_v in_o the_o assembly_n they_o yet_o judge_v presbyterial_a government_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n to_o be_v the_o true_a form_n of_o church-government_n against_o your_o independency_n so_o that_o now_o the_o ground_n you_o go_v upon_o be_v take_v away_o you_o can_v without_o great_a prejudice_n to_o the_o reform_a church_n so_o peremptory_o judge_v they_o as_o you_o do_v in_o this_o place_n of_o your_o apology_n and_o as_o your_o practice_n can_v be_v without_o prejudice_n to_o they_o and_o the_o imputation_n of_o schism_n in_o you_o from_o they_o to_o set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o divide_v from_o they_o upon_o these_o ground_n so_o this_o passage_n of_o you_o here_o against_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n can_v avoid_v the_o suspicion_n of_o great_a arrogancy_n and_o pride_n to_o proclaim_v yourselves_o to_o see_v more_o than_o all_o the_o church_n in_o worship_n and_o government_n and_o to_o judge_v they_o so_o it_o be_v a_o high_a presumption_n that_o five_o such_o young_a man_n as_o you_o be_v and_o no_o deeply_o study_v shall_v thus_o proud_o and_o tanquam_fw-la ex_fw-la tripod_n so_o magisterial_o conclude_v against_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n certain_o have_v you_o have_v the_o humility_n of_o many_o of_o god_n servant_n you_o will_v rather_o have_v fear_v and_o question_v whether_o you_o may_v not_o have_v be_v mistake_v in_o your_o ground_n and_o therefore_o modest_o have_v propound_v your_o doubt_n to_o the_o assembly_n to_o have_v resolve_v they_o rather_o than_o before_o the_o point_n ever_o come_v to_o be_v debate_v in_o the_o assembly_n in_o such_o matter_n where_o you_o go_v against_o the_o common_a stream_n of_o all_o reform_a church_n to_o have_v thus_o profess_o peremptory_o and_o resolve_o both_o in_o this_o section_n and_o in_o the_o next_o pag._n 24._o determine_v the_o question_n and_o brethren_n let_v i_o friendly_a mind_n you_o who_o be_v you_o five_o of_o what_o stand_v reading_z grace_n to_o take_v so_o much_o to_o yourselves_o and_o to_o be_v so_o peremptory_a that_o you_o shall_v see_v that_o which_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n do_v not_o nor_o be_v not_o able_a by_o any_o of_o your_o argument_n nor_o what_o else_o be_v extant_a to_o see_v or_o be_v convince_v of_o but_o as_o for_o the_o close_a to_o this_o part_n of_o the_o section_n concern_v the_o calvinian_a reform_a church_n that_o it_o may_v hopeful_o be_v conceive_v that_o god_n leave_v england_n more_o unreformed_a as_o touch_v government_n and_o worship_n then_o the_o neighbour_n church_n be_v etc._n etc._n it_o be_v a_o strange_a speech_n and_o savour_v of_o a_o strange_a high_a conceit_n of_o your_o own_o way_n of_o independency_n and_o of_o your_o great_a light_n and_o ability_n in_o this_o assembly_n where_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v to_o be_v reform_v and_o to_o speak_v plain_o the_o english_a and_o sense_n of_o all_o these_o line_n be_v this_o that_o it_o may_v be_v hopeful_o conceive_v that_o god_n in_o his_o secret_n yet_o wise_a and_o gracious_a dispensation_n have_v all_o this_o long_a time_n for_o above_o 80._o year_n leave_v england_n more_o unreformed_a and_o of_o his_o infinite_a mercy_n on_o purpose_n reserve_v it_o for_o this_o present_a assembly_n that_o m._n goodwin_n m._n nye_n etc._n etc._n may_v bring_v a_o new_a light_n in_o church_n government_n and_o order_n and_o so_o scotland_n and_o the_o neighbour-churche_n may_v be_v new-moulded_n into_o their_o way_n but_o how_o ever_o some_o of_o you_o be_v man_n of_o strong_a fancy_n and_o all_o of_o high_a confidence_n of_o your_o own_o opinion_n and_o way_n yet_o i_o believe_v you_o will_v be_v deceive_v at_o this_o time_n how_o ever_o you_o may_v comfort_v yourselves_o and_o church_n with_o the_o hope_n of_o prevail_v at_o another_o time_n say_v that_o presbytery_n shall_v fall_v as_o episcopacy_n have_v do_v after_o its_o time_n one_o of_o that_o way_n for_o want_n of_o argument_n have_v use_v such_o word_n to_o i_o and_o that_o m._n goodwin_n m._n nye_n etc._n etc._n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o effect_v what_o they_o desire_v and_o hope_n for_o but_o it_o may_v be_v rather_o hopeful_o conceive_v that_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n come_v to_o they_o these_o five_o member_n of_o the_o assembly_n at_o last_o with_o other_o to_z upon_o this_o glorious_a reformation_n will_v be_v bring_v to_o join_v with_o other_o reform_a church_n according_a to_o the_o solemn_a covenant_n and_o oath_n themselves_o have_v enter_v into_o we_o find_v also_o which_o be_v as_o great_a a_o affliction_n to_o we_o as_o our_o former_a apolog._n trouble_n and_o banishment_n our_o opinion_n and_o way_n wherein_o we_o may_v seem_v to_o differ_v environ_v about_o with_o a_o cloud_n of_o mistake_n and_o misapprehension_n and_o our_o person_n with_o reproach_n beside_o other_o calumny_n as_o of_o schism_n etc._n etc._n which_o yet_o must_v either_o relate_v to_o a_o differiâ—…g_n from_o the_o former_a ecclesiastical_a government_n of_o this_o church_n establish_v and_o then_o who_o be_v not_o involve_v in_o it_o as_o well_o as_o we_o or_o to_o that_o constitution_n and_o government_n that_o be_v yet_o to_o come_v and_o until_o that_o be_v agree_v on_o establish_v and_o declare_v and_o actual_o exist_v there_o can_v be_v no_o guilt_n or_o imputation_n of_o schism_n from_o it_o that_o proud_a and_o insolent_a title_n of_o independency_n be_v affix_v unto_o we_o as_o our_o claim_n the_o very_a sound_n of_o which_o convey_v to_o all_o man_n apprehension_n the_o challenge_n of_o a_o exemption_n of_o all_o church_n from_o all_o subjection_n and_o dependence_n or_o rather_o a_o trumpet_n of_o defiance_n against_o what_o ever_o power_n spiritual_a or_o civil_a which_o we_o do_v abhor_v and_o detest_v or_o else_o the_o odious_a name_n of_o brownism_n together_o with_o all_o their_o opinion_n as_o they_o have_v state_v and_o maintain_v they_o must_v needs_o be_v own_v by_o we_o although_o upon_o the_o very_a first_o declare_v our_o judgement_n in_o the_o chief_a and_o fundamental_a point_n of_o all_o church_n discipline_n and_o likewise_o since_o it_o have_v be_v acknowledge_v that_o we_o differ_v much_o from_o they_o and_o we_o do_v then_o and_o do_v here_o public_o profess_v we_o believe_v the_o truth_n to_o lie_v and_o consist_v in_o a_o middle_a way_n betwixt_o that_o which_o be_v false_o charge_v on_o we_o brownism_n and_o that_o which_o be_v the_o contention_n of_o these_o time_n the_o authoritative_a presbyterial_a government_n in_o all_o the_o subordination_n and_o proceed_n of_o it_o i_o desire_v you_o to_o resolve_v i_o and_o the_o reader_n how_o the_o first_o sentence_n in_o this_o section_n your_o opinion_n and_o way_n environ_v about_o with_o a_o cloud_n of_o mistake_n and_o misapprehension_n and_o your_o person_n with_o reproach_n can_v stand_v with_o those_o word_n in_o the_o 24_o page_n we_o find_v many_o of_o those_o mist_n that_o
do_v not_o go_v to_o heaven_n to_o be_v with_o christ_n express_o contrary_a to_o the_o 2_o cor._n 5._o 6_o 8._o and_o to_o philip._n 1._o 23._o now_o whether_o some_o of_o you_o may_v not_o hold_v those_o opinion_n see_v they_o be_v public_o preach_v at_o arnheim_n and_o never_o condemn_v as_o ever_o i_o hear_v i_o know_v not_o but_o have_v reason_n rather_o to_o suspect_v you_o do_v how_o ever_o though_o you_o do_v not_o nourish_v any_o monster_n or_o serpent_n of_o opinion_n in_o your_o bosom_n yet_o i_o fear_v you_o have_v run_v worm_n in_o your_o head_n and_o together_o with_o the_o gold_n silver_z and_o ivory_n of_o orthodox_n truth_n you_o have_v store_n of_o ape_n and_o peacock_n conceit_n and_o toy_n as_o strange_a coin_a distinction_n new_a strain_a exposition_n of_o scripture_n odd_a opinion_n about_o the_o personal_a reign_n of_o christ_n on_o earth_n and_o i_o ask_v you_o what_o the_o anoint_v with_o oil_n of_o sick_a person_n as_o a_o ordinance_n for_o church-member_n and_o what_o the_o bring_n in_o of_o hymn_n compose_v by_o the_o gift_n of_o a_o church-member_n cum_fw-la multis_fw-la aliis_fw-la be_v whether_o be_v not_o these_o strange_a conceit_n and_o how_o ever_o you_o may_v be_v free_a of_o monster_n and_o serpent_n of_o opinion_n lurk_v in_o your_o bosom_n yet_o there_o be_v much_o of_o a_o monster_n and_o the_o serpent_n lurk_v in_o this_o apology_n and_o to_o be_v sure_o one_o monster_n of_o opinion_n you_o all_o hold_v general_o and_o some_o of_o you_o have_v preach_v for_o a_o toleration_n of_o divers_a sect_n and_o opinion_n and_o let_v i_o tell_v you_o grant_v you_o five_o be_v so_o orthodox_n and_o suppose_v your_o argument_n good_a to_o prove_v it_o expose_v yourselves_o to_o the_o hazard_n of_o discovery_n in_o this_o assembly_n which_o be_v no_o conclude_a argument_n yet_o there_o be_v many_o member_n of_o those_o church_n to_o which_o you_o belong_v beside_o many_o other_o member_n of_o church_n of_o your_o way_n and_o communion_n who_o i_o suppose_v must_v be_v tolerate_v as_o well_o as_o yourselves_o that_o do_v hold_v very_o odd_a and_o strange_a thing_n some_o of_o arnheim_n hold_v strange_a conceit_n and_o some_o member_n of_o mr_n sympson_n church_n hold_v some_o of_o the_o point_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o daily_o the_o independent_a church_n like_o africa_n do_v breed_v and_o bring_v forth_o the_o monster_n of_o anabaptism_n antinomianisme_n familisme_n nay_o that_o huge_a monster_n and_o old_a fly_a serpent_n of_o the_o mortality_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n and_o indeed_o there_o be_v no_o end_n of_o error_n that_o the_o independent_a principle_n and_o practice_n lead_v unto_o as_o for_o those_o word_n if_o we_o have_v carry_v it_o so_o as_o that_o hitherto_o such_o error_n be_v not_o aforehand_o open_a to_o the_o view_n and_o judgement_n of_o all_o yet_o sit_v here_o unless_o we_o will_v be_v silent_a we_o can_v not_o be_v long_o hide_v etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v some_o one_o or_o two_o heterodox_n opinion_n may_v be_v hide_v where_o man_n be_v orthodox_n in_o the_o most_o especial_o if_o all_o point_n of_o doctrine_n have_v not_o be_v discuss_v nor_o review_v as_o in_o the_o assembly_n they_o have_v not_o many_o article_n of_o our_o church_n not_o have_v yet_o be_v go_v through_o so_o that_o your_o error_n in_o doctrine_n may_v be_v behind_o and_o your_o trial_n of_o be_v orthodox_n will_v be_v when_o the_o assembly_n come_v to_o these_o article_n article_n 19_o 22_o 23._o &_o 26._o and_o when_o that_o doctrine_n concern_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o a_o toleration_n of_o divers_a sect_n and_o opinion_n shall_v come_v to_o be_v discuss_v but_o before_o i_o pass_v from_o this_o i_o desire_v the_o apologist_n to_o remember_v and_o the_o reader_n to_o observe_v they_o call_v the_o church_n of_o england_n our_o church_n and_o so_o in_o the_o five_o page_n of_o this_o apology_n our_o own_o congregation_n we_o mean_v of_o england_n so_o that_o if_o you_o mean_v as_o you_o here_o write_v than_o the_o national_n church_n of_o england_n be_v your_o church_n and_o the_o parochial_a congregation_n be_v you_o and_o so_o you_o establish_v a_o national_n visible_a church_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o if_o so_o why_o do_v you_o erect_v other_o church_n and_o withdraw_v from_o your_o own_o but_o if_o you_o do_v not_o mean_v so_o nor_o believe_v there_o be_v a_o national_n visible_a church_n nor_o account_v yourselves_o member_n of_o this_o national_n church_n why_o do_v you_o speak_v so_o and_o call_v the_o church_n of_o england_n your_o own_o church_n and_o the_o parochial_a church_n your_o own_o congregation_n as_o for_o that_o part_n of_o this_o section_n which_o concern_v your_o good_a carriage_n in_o the_o assembly_n in_o matter_n of_o discipline_n in_o matter_n of_o discipline_n we_o be_v so_o far_o from_o hold_v up_o the_o difference_n that_o occur_v or_o make_v the_o breach_n great_a or_o wide_a that_o we_o endeavour_v upon_o all_o such_o occasion_n to_o grant_v and_o yield_v etc._n etc._n i_o not_o be_v present_a at_o the_o debate_n will_v say_v nothing_o against_o it_o but_o whether_o since_o the_o write_n of_o your_o apology_n and_o the_o assembly_n come_v to_o the_o point_n of_o discipline_n which_o be_v proper_o you_o your_o freehold_n you_o have_v be_v so_o fair_a and_o moderate_a endeavour_v upon_o all_o occasion_n to_o grant_v and_o yield_v to_o the_o utmost_a latitude_n of_o your_o light_n and_o conscience_n that_o i_o doubt_v and_o your_o best_a friend_n be_v not_o satisfy_v in_o it_o but_o rather_o much_o offend_v and_o you_o have_v much_o lose_v yourselves_o with_o they_o by_o your_o demeanour_n and_o way_n of_o manage_v matter_n of_o difference_n in_o the_o assembly_n but_o suppose_v all_o you_o say_v of_o yourselves_o in_o this_o section_n be_v full_o so_o both_o before_o and_o since_o your_o apology_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o much_o material_a nor_o much_o to_o be_v trust_v to_o be_v upon_o the_o trial_n of_o your_o good_a behaviour_n for_o it_o be_v probable_a all_o that_o may_v be_v do_v out_o of_o policy_n in_o reference_n to_o the_o main_a design_n of_o obtain_v a_o toleration_n which_o at_o first_o can_v be_v imagine_v to_o have_v any_o probability_n of_o be_v gain_v without_o all_o seem_a fairness_n and_o compliance_n and_o draw_v near_o to_o we_o and_o therefore_o this_o apology_n be_v so_o frame_v in_o the_o word_n phrase_n and_o composure_n of_o it_o that_o in_o it_o you_o have_v stretch_v yourselves_o to_o the_o utmost_a latitude_n and_o high_a compliance_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o the_o reform_a church_n even_o beyond_o what_o be_v mean_v by_o you_o in_o our_o sense_n and_o in_o common_a acception_n and_o beyond_o what_o many_o of_o your_o follower_n will_v own_v as_o also_o you_o hide_v and_o reserve_v several_a thing_n you_o hold_v both_o in_o matter_n and_o manner_n that_o so_o by_o all_o this_o you_o may_v court_v the_o parliament_n assembly_n reform_a church_n to_o bear_v with_o such_o conscientious_a man_n who_o differ_v so_o little_a from_o they_o and_o be_v so_o moderate_a and_o temperate_a also_o in_o and_o about_o the_o debate_n of_o those_o difference_n but_o the_o parliament_n and_o the_o assembly_n be_v wise_a to_o see_v into_o and_o through_o these_o artifices_fw-la and_o to_o consider_v that_o if_o once_o a_o toleration_n be_v grant_v there_o will_v quick_o be_v discover_v another_o face_n of_o thing_n which_o hitherto_o stand_v behind_o the_o curtain_n as_o for_o this_o passage_n in_o the_o close_a of_o this_o section_n your_o not_o be_v backward_a urger_n unto_o a_o temper_n not_o only_o in_o thing_n concern_v your_o own_o conscience_n but_o other_o also_o such_o as_o may_v suit_v and_o tend_v to_o union_n as_o well_o as_o search_v out_o of_o truth_n judge_v this_o to_o be_v as_o great_a and_o useful_a a_o end_n of_o synod_n as_o a_o curious_a and_o exact_a discussion_n of_o all_o sort_n of_o lesser_a difference_n with_o bind_a determintion_n of_o truth_n one_o way_n i_o judge_v than_o you_o have_v but_o a_o weak_a ground_n to_o urge_v you_o to_o temper_v in_o matter_n of_o difference_n and_o i_o question_v whether_o you_o be_v so_o forward_o to_o a_o temper_n in_o the_o thing_n that_o may_v suit_v and_o tend_v to_o union_n for_o i_o suppose_v you_o be_v so_o fairy_n from_o hold_v that_o a_o great_a and_o useful_a end_n of_o synod_n a_o curious_a and_o exact_a discussion_n of_o all_o sort_n of_o lesser_a difference_n with_o bind_a determination_n of_o truth_n one_o way_n as_o that_o you_o deny_v it_o i_o have_v read_v a_o letter_n out_o of_o new-england_n from_o a_o minister_n of_o note_n there_o speak_v of_o that_o synod_n which_o meet_v upon_o occasion_n of_o the_o antinomian_o and_o familist_n formal_o deny_v this_o power_n of_o bind_v
be_v sufficient_o know_v and_o however_o all_o these_o thing_n of_o no_o other_o interest_n but_o a_o subsistence_n in_o our_o own_o land_n and_o of_o enjoy_v the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n and_o not_o know_v where_o else_o with_o safety_n health_n and_o livelihood_n to_o set_v our_o foot_n on_o earth_n be_v hold_v forth_o as_o specious_a pretence_n to_o the_o parliament_n and_o reader_n to_o persuade_v and_o to_o allure_v they_o yet_o the_o bottom_n of_o all_o this_o desire_n of_o a_o toleration_n in_o england_n though_o conceal_v be_v that_o there_o be_v no_o other_o place_n on_o earth_n where_o you_o be_v like_a to_o propagate_v your_o way_n to_o gain_v so_o great_a a_o party_n to_o enjoy_v such_o full_a and_o rich_a congregation_n and_o to_o have_v that_o respect_n and_o applause_n in_o your_o way_n as_o in_o england_n and_o in_o england_n as_o london_n and_o the_o adjacent_a part_n or_o where_o you_o can_v have_v those_o fair_a hope_n and_o probability_n of_o draw_v so_o great_a a_o part_n of_o a_o kingdom_n to_o your_o churchway_n as_o here_o and_o where_o if_o you_o go_v on_o to_o act_v as_o diligent_o and_o politic_o as_o you_o have_v do_v in_o these_o three_o year_n last_o pass_v and_o the_o minister_n be_v as_o general_o silent_a and_o the_o common_a people_n of_o the_o kingdom_n come_v a_o little_a more_o to_o understand_v your_o principle_n and_o have_v time_n to_o digest_v and_o consider_v of_o the_o great_a liberty_n and_o power_n they_o have_v thereby_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o kingdom_n may_v in_o time_n come_v to_o be_v behold_v to_o you_o for_o a_o toleration_n of_o presbytery_n if_o it_o be_v establish_v which_o you_o will_v as_o soon_o grant_v if_o you_o come_v to_o have_v power_n in_o your_o hand_n as_o you_o will_v episcopacy_n and_o popery_n many_o of_o your_o churchway_n ordinary_o affirm_v they_o have_v rather_o have_v episcopacy_n then_o presbytery_n and_o it_o have_v be_v affirm_v to_o i_o by_o a_o minister_n of_o note_n that_o a_o minister_n of_o the_o churchway_n prefer_v popery_n in_o this_o kingdom_n before_o presbytery_n for_o if_o popery_n shall_v come_v in_o it_o will_v be_v but_o short_a live_v but_o presbytery_n be_v like_a to_o be_v long_o live_v the_o arminian_n in_o the_o netherlands_o at_o first_o desire_v but_o a_o toleration_n no_o more_o but_o to_o be_v permit_v to_o enjoy_v in_o some_o church_n of_o their_o own_o their_o conscience_n with_o peaceableneâ—…_n but_o afterward_o that_o by_o the_o connivance_n and_o favour_n of_o the_o magistrate_n they_o be_v in_o some_o city_n and_o place_n as_o amsterdam_n &c._n &c._n grow_v to_o a_o great_a number_n and_o have_v a_o great_a power_n than_o they_o will_v not_o suffer_v noâ—…_n tolerate_v the_o orthodox_n minister_n but_o persecute_v they_o and_o some_o be_v force_v to_o fly_v as_o in_o the_o story_n of_o the_o netherlands_o be_v at_o large_a record_v and_o if_o ever_o the_o independent_o by_o connivance_n or_o a_o toleration_n shall_v come_v to_o have_v a_o power_n and_o strength_n considerable_a if_o they_o serve_v not_o we_o so_o i_o be_o much_o deceive_v all_o sectary_n and_o erroâ—…eous_a spirit_n who_o be_v but_o tolerate_v and_o not_o own_v will_v watch_v all_o advantage_n to_o set_v up_o their_o own_o way_n as_o chief_a and_o when_o they_o have_v a_o power_n will_v be_v impetuous_a and_o violent_a to_o effect_v it_o as_o the_o anabaptist_n in_o germany_n be_v the_o arminian_n in_o holland_n and_o the_o antinomian_o and_o familist_n in_o new-england_n as_o woman_n out_o of_o their_o weakness_n and_o fear_n when_o they_o have_v power_n over_o any_o be_v most_o cruel_a so_o sectary_n out_o of_o their_o fear_n lest_o a_o state_n may_v one_o time_n or_o other_o cast_v they_o out_o and_o not_o tolerate_v they_o will_v upon_o a_o advantage_n suppress_v and_o destroy_v the_o orthodox_n and_o establish_v their_o own_o 2._o as_o for_o the_o matter_n itself_o contain_v in_o the_o close_a of_o your_o book_n a_o toleration_n of_o independent_a church_n and_o government_n the_o scope_n and_o last_o end_n of_o this_o apology_n whereunto_o tend_v all_o the_o artifice_n and_o fallacy_n in_o the_o composure_n of_o it_o i_o shall_v lay_v down_o some_o reason_n and_o ground_n against_o it_o i_o can_v stand_v to_o handle_v the_o question_n at_o large_a about_o toleration_n of_o different_a religion_n or_o of_o divers_a sect_n and_o opinion_n in_o one_o and_o the_o same_o kingdom_n this_o answer_n be_v already_o a_o great_a deal_n long_o than_o i_o intend_v it_o i_o can_v now_o open_v the_o term_n and_o premise_v the_o distinction_n as_o distinguish_v concern_v the_o nature_n and_o kind_n of_o error_n concern_v the_o person_n err_v concern_v the_o kind_n and_o degree_n of_o toleration_n and_o coaction_n etc._n etc._n i_o shall_v reserve_v the_o full_a handle_n of_o this_o point_n whether_o toleration_n be_v lawful_a to_o a_o particular_a tractate_n i_o intend_v upon_o that_o subject_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n upon_o occasion_n of_o what_o you_o present_v here_o to_o the_o parliament_n i_o shall_v humble_o submit_v to_o their_o consideration_n these_o follow_v particular_n 1._o a_o toleration_n of_o independent_a church_n and_o government_n reason_n with_o their_o opinion_n and_o practice_n be_v against_o the_o magistrate_n duty_n lay_v down_o in_o scripture_n but_o for_o magistrate_n by_o good_a law_n to_o command_v and_o require_v obedience_n to_o the_o government_n and_o reformation_n upon_o good_a ground_n judge_v to_o be_v according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o so_o establish_v be_v lawful_a and_o their_o duty_n for_o the_o clear_n of_o which_o i_o premise_v two_o thing_n which_o i_o suppose_v must_v needs_o be_v grant_v 1._o that_o the_o magistrate_n be_v custos_fw-la ac_fw-la vindeâ—…_n utriusque_fw-la tabula_fw-la as_o be_v confess_v by_o all_o orthodox_n divine_v that_o the_o care_n of_o religion_n belong_v to_o he_o and_o that_o he_o be_v to_o look_v to_o it_o that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o the_o government_n of_o it_o be_v constitute_v and_o settle_v according_a to_o the_o word_n and_o that_o the_o people_n may_v lead_v a_o peaceable_a officiâ—…_n and_o quiet_a life_n in_o all_o godliness_n and_o honesty_n for_o which_o end_n prince_n and_o magistrate_n be_v to_o make_v law_n for_o the_o observe_n of_o the_o worship_n and_o government_n of_o christ_n church_n forbid_v and_o punish_v with_o religious_a severity_n those_o thing_n which_o be_v practise_v against_o the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o command_v what_o be_v according_a to_o it_o this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o great_a service_n they_o yield_v to_o christ_n as_o they_o be_v magistrate_n and_o i_o find_v augustine_n and_o other_o divine_n give_v that_o sense_n of_o psal._n 2._o 10_o 11._o of_o king_n and_o judge_n serve_v the_o lord_n with_o fear_n and_o of_o deut._n 17._o 19_o of_o god_n command_v the_o king_n to_o read_v the_o book_n of_o the_o law_n that_o he_o may_v learn_v to_o observe_v the_o thing_n which_o be_v write_v in_o it_o not_o only_o as_o private_a man_n practise_v these_o and_o order_v their_o life_n according_a to_o the_o word_n but_o as_o king_n they_o shall_v order_v their_o office_n by_o the_o word_n not_o only_o by_o live_v holy_o for_o so_o they_o serve_v god_n as_o man_n but_o as_o king_n and_o magistrate_n by_o make_v law_n for_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o prohibit_v the_o contrary_a 2._o that_o the_o reformation_n in_o worship_n government_n etc._n etc._n which_o shall_v be_v settle_v and_o establish_v by_o the_o parliament_n be_v judge_v and_o take_v for_o grant_v by_o they_o to_o be_v according_a to_o the_o mind_n of_o christ_n else_o why_o have_v they_o call_v so_o many_o able_a godly_a and_o learned_a divine_n to_o consult_v with_o for_o that_o purpose_n and_o stand_v so_o much_o for_o a_o reformation_n according_a to_o the_o word_n and_o why_o else_o will_v they_o establish_v it_o if_o there_o be_v any_o other_o more_o agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n so_o that_o whatsoever_o other_o government_n after_o all_o debate_n and_o reason_n be_v reject_v and_o refuse_v must_v be_v think_v not_o to_o have_v such_o a_o ground_n in_o the_o word_n for_o if_o it_o have_v why_o be_v it_o not_o establish_v and_o own_a but_o come_v to_o seek_v for_o a_o toleration_n and_o connivance_n now_o then_o by_o virtue_n of_o many_o scripture_n both_o in_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o judah_n in_o command_v and_o require_v all_o the_o people_n to_o yield_v to_o the_o reformation_n make_v by_o they_o and_o in_o particular_a the_o spirit_n of_o god_n commend_v josiah_n for_o make_v all_o jerusalem_n and_o benjamin_n to_o stand_v to_o the_o covenant_n 3â—…_n which_o he_o have_v make_v with_o god_n the_o four_o commandment_n require_v of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o family_n that_o he_o see_v
all_o under_o his_o power_n and_o charge_n to_o worship_n god_n upon_o which_o learned_a divine_n as_o zanchius_n excellent_o show_v the_o duty_n of_o magistrate_n in_o reference_n to_o command_v and_o provide_v that_o their_o people_n shall_v worship_v god_n according_a to_o his_o will_n rom._n 13._o 4._o ephes._n 5._o 11._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 22._o 2_o john_n 11._o v_o revel_n 〈◊〉_d 20._o with_o many_o other_o place_n in_o scripture_n of_o remove_v away_o of_o evil_a and_o of_o not_o consent_v to_o evil_n &c_n &c_n the_o parliament_n be_v bind_v to_o establish_v and_o to_o command_v obedience_n to_o that_o reformation_n which_o be_v judge_v most_o agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n and_o to_o suppress_v and_o hinder_v all_o other_o it_o be_v excellent_o do_v by_o the_o parliament_n to_o call_v together_o so_o many_o able_a godly_a and_o orthodox_n divine_v to_o debate_v and_o find_v out_o the_o mind_n and_o will_n of_o god_n for_o doctrine_n worship_n and_o discipline_n and_o to_o give_v liberty_n to_o man_n of_o different_a judgement_n to_o bring_v in_o their_o ground_n and_o after_o all_o way_n of_o enquiry_n and_o search_v into_o truth_n and_o a_o model_n draw_v up_o for_o they_o upon_o good_a ground_n be_v satisfy_v it_o be_v their_o duty_n by_o their_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o bind_v man_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o assembly_n and_o not_o to_o tolerate_v any_o other_o doctrine_n church_n worship_n or_o government_n to_o be_v set_v up_o and_o exercise_v you_o ought_v not_o to_o suffer_v the_o weak_a to_o be_v destroy_v nor_o the_o people_n to_o be_v draw_v away_o by_o every_o wind_n of_o doctrine_n but_o when_o once_o upon_o good_a ground_n the_o reformation_n be_v conclude_v you_o must_v defend_v it_o against_o troublesome_a and_o turbulent_a spirit_n and_o in_o so_o do_v god_n will_v be_v with_o you_o and_o subdue_v the_o people_n under_o you_o whereas_o if_o to_o please_v some_o people_n you_o suffer_v they_o to_o enjoy_v their_o own_o way_n god_n will_v not_o be_v well_o please_v with_o it_o neither_o can_v you_o answer_v it_o unto_o god_n you_o may_v lawful_o nay_o you_o ought_v in_o that_o which_o be_v good_a to_o compel_v man_n though_o they_o pretend_v conscience_n shall_v the_o error_n of_o other_o man_n conscience_n hindr_v you_o from_o yield_v that_o service_n which_o god_n requite_v of_o you_o may_v a_o parliament_n displease_v god_n to_o please_v man_n or_o may_v they_o be_v pleaseâ—…s_n of_o other_o man_n sin_n and_o wink_v at_o evil_a to_o content_v some_o person_n no_o parliament_n in_o make_v law_n for_o religion_n must_v depend_v on_o the_o will_n of_o god_n â—…led_v in_o his_o word_n in_o the_o best_a and_o 〈◊〉_d way_n communicate_v to_o they_o and_o not_o upon_o the_o conscience_n of_o some_o people_n 〈◊〉_d the_o toleration_n desire_v be_v against_o the_o solemn_a league_n and_o covenant_n for_o reformation_n take_v by_o the_o parliament_n and_o the_o kingdom_n â—…on_n of_o england_n and_o scotland_n and_o 〈◊〉_d be_v coâ—…ed_v to_o without_o 〈◊〉_d of_o that_o oath_n and_o covenant_n so_o that_o the_o apology_n and_o motion_n for_o a_o toleration_n come_v â—…o_o late_o the_o door_n be_v shut_v against_o it_o the_o kingdom_n hand_n be_v bind_v so_o that_o if_o such_o a_o toleration_n be_v not_o in_o itâ—…_n self_n unlawful_a and_o against_o the_o duty_n of_o the_o magistrate_n yet_o now_o because_o of_o the_o oath_n and_o covenant_n it_o be_v unlawful_a so_o that_o whatever_o may_v have_v be_v grant_v before_o can_v now_o lest_o the_o kingdom_n shall_v be_v guilty_a before_o god_n of_o covenant-breaking_a now_o aâ—…_n toleration_n and_o this_o move_n for_o a_o toleration_n by_o the_o apologist_n be_v express_o against_o these_o branch_n of_o the_o covenant_n 1._o against_o that_o clause_n in_o the_o first_o branch_n of_o endeavour_v the_o reformation_n of_o religion_n in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o england_n and_o ixeland_n in_o doctrine_n worship_n government_n and_o discipline_n according_a to_o the_o example_n of_o the_o best_a reform_a church_n now_o in_o this_o petition_n to_o both_o house_n you_o will_v be_v exempt_v from_o the_o reformation_n of_o the_o best_a reform_a church_n so_o that_o unless_o you_o understand_v the_o brownist_n new-england_n or_o your_o own_o church_n to_o be_v the_o best_a reform_a you_o have_v break_v your_o covenant_n but_o though_o you_o may_v understand_v it_o so_o and_o may_v be_v take_v the_o covenant_n in_o that_o sense_n yet_o i_o suppose_v you_o can_v think_v the_o paâ—…liament_n who_o you_o sâ—…_n to_o for_o a_o toleration_n take_v the_o best_a reform_a church_n in_o that_o acception_n but_o for_o the_o reform_a church_n so_o call_v and_o common_o know_v as_o of_o france_n etc._n etc._n so_o that_o their_o grant_v a_o toleration_n will_v be_v against_o this_o clause_n of_o the_o best_a reform_a church_n 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v express_o against_o another_o clause_n in_o the_o firsâ—…_n branch_n and_o shâ—…ll_o endeavouâ—…_n to_o bring_v the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o the_o three_o kingdom_n to_o the_o near_a conjunction_n and_o uniformity_n in_o religion_n confession_n of_o faith_n form_n of_o church_n government_n directory_n soâ—…_n worship_n and_o catechiâ—…ing_n now_o if_o the_o parliament_n have_v covenant_v so_o how_o can_v it_o grant_v a_o toleration_n of_o so_o different_a a_o form_n of_o church_n government_n and_o worship_n as_o the_o independent_a way_n be_v from_o the_o presbyterial_a and_o how_o can_v you_o be_v excuse_v from_o explicit_a formal_a breach_n of_o covenant_n in_o this_o part_n of_o your_o apology_n have_v swear_v and_o subâ—…bed_v to_o endeavour_v by_o all_o mean_n to_o bring_v the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o these_o three_o kingdom_n to_o the_o near_a conjunction_n and_o uniformity_n in_o religion_n who_o in_o stead_n of_o so_o labour_v and_o endeavour_v or_o ever_o so_o much_o as_o try_v whether_o you_o with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n may_v not_o be_v bring_v into_o a_o near_a conjunction_n and_o uniformity_n just_a before_o the_o time_n the_o assembly_n be_v come_v to_o fall_v upon_o these_o point_n in_o difference_n to_o put_v out_o this_o apology_n and_o to_o move_v for_o a_o toleration_n before_o hear_v what_o can_v be_v say_v to_o you_o for_o satisfaction_n or_o ever_o debate_v the_o point_n in_o the_o assembly_n be_v this_o to_o endeavour_v by_o all_o mean_n to_o bring_v the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o the_o three_o kingdom_n to_o the_o near_a conjunction_n and_o uniformity_n in_o religion_n etc._n etc._n before_o so_o much_o as_o ever_o debate_v point_n to_o conclude_v magisterial_o as_o you_o do_v in_o page_n 22._o and_o 24._o against_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o to_o desire_v a_o exemption_n from_o conjunction_n and_o uniformity_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n in_o this_o kingdom_n 3._o it_o be_v against_o that_o clause_n in_o the_o second_o branch_n that_o we_o shall_v in_o like_a manner_n without_o respect_n of_o person_n endeavour_v the_o extirpation_n of_o schism_n and_o whatever_o shall_v be_v find_v contrary_a to_o find_v doctrine_n and_o the_o power_n of_o godliness_n lest_o we_o partake_v in_o other_o man_n sin_n now_o that_o which_o you_o move_v for_o be_v schism_n and_o contrary_a to_o sound_v doctrine_n the_o churchway_n be_v a_o schism_n beside_o many_o of_o your_o church_n principle_n be_v against_o sound_a doctrine_n and_o the_o power_n of_o godliness_n as_o that_o in_o your_o apology_n about_o the_o subject_n of_o excommunication_n as_o that_o of_o a_o few_o people_n have_v power_n to_o join_v together_o and_o set_v up_o a_o church_n and_o choose_v what_o minister_n they_o will_v as_o that_o of_o the_o independency_n of_o particular_a congregation_n from_o any_o authenitative_a power_n etc._n etc._n so_o that_o the_o parliament_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o their_o reformation_n and_o bless_a conjunction_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n with_o the_o reform_a church_n shall_v in_o allow_v you_o a_o toleration_n suffer_v a_o formal_a schism_n both_o in_o worship_n and_o government_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o these_o kingdom_n 4_o this_o toleration_n sue_v for_o be_v against_o a_o part_n of_o the_o four_o branch_n endeavour_v the_o discovery_n of_o such_o as_o have_v be_v evil_a instrument_n by_o hinder_v reformation_n of_o religion_n or_o make_v any_o faction_n or_o party_n among_o the_o people_n contrary_a to_o this_o league_n and_o covenant_n now_o the_o parliament_n be_v bind_v by_o this_o against_o all_o person_n and_o thing_n which_o hinder_v the_o reformation_n and_o make_v any_o faction_n or_o party_n among_o the_o people_n now_o whether_o a_o toleration_n grant_v yea_o but_o move_v for_o will_v not_o hinder_v the_o reformation_n of_o religion_n and_o make_v faction_n and_o party_n among_o the_o people_n let_v it_o be_v consider_v i_o confess_v i_o wonder_v how_o the_o apologist_n ever_o take_v this_o covenant_n or_o have_v take_v