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B04736 Quakerism the mystery of iniquity discovered in a brief dialogue between a Christian & a Quaker: By way of supplement to my former papers exhibited in Dublin against them, in two of the most important particulars charg'd upon them; viz. the holy Scriptures, and our Lord Jesus Christ; in which it doth most evidently appear, that both are denied by them, in a true, Christian, and proper sense. / By John Plimpton. Plimpton, John, fl. 1698. 1698 (1698) Wing P2572; ESTC R181887 11,478 32

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