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sense_n	believe_v	scripture_n	true_a	7,119	5	5.7459	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B04736	Quakerism the mystery of iniquity discovered in a brief dialogue between a Christian & a Quaker: By way of supplement to my former papers exhibited in Dublin against them, in two of the most important particulars charg'd upon them; viz. the holy Scriptures, and our Lord Jesus Christ; in which it doth most evidently appear, that both are denied by them, in a true, Christian, and proper sense. / By John Plimpton.	Plimpton, John, fl. 1698.	1698 (1698)	Wing P2572; ESTC R181887	11,478	32

Quakerism The Mystery of INIQUITY Discovered In a Brief DIALOGUE Between A Christian a Quaker By way of Supplement To my former Papers Exhibited in DVBLIN against them in two of the most important particulars charg'd upon them Viz. The Holy Scriptures and our Lord Jesus Christ in which it doth most evidently appear that both are denied by them in a true Christian and proper sense By John Plimpton DVBLIN Printed 1698. Reader I Shall here present thee with this ensuing Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker In which are faithfully represented the Quakers Opinions concerning the Holy Scriptures and our Blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ I doubt not but it will be return'd as forgeries and fictions upon my own head the common answer they have for all their Adversaries But I am conscious to my self that I have not wrong'd them in any thing either by mis-reading curtailing mis-construing or mis-applying any passage I have quoted out of their Books I am willing therefore to appear in publick that so these things may be more fully clearly and plainly discovered and laid open for common benefit and for examination of my charges to see if I have wrong'd them or not But this you see they wholly decline and their reason is because I am an ignorant conceited and empty person and therefore they think themselves not accountable for these things unto a person under my circumstance c. but certainly this is but a Quakers Quibble as all men may plainly discern for if they think themselves not oblig'd to meet me in publick why do they so much concern themselves in Printing one Pamphlet after another and to exhibit the same up and down privately is it not to cover over their deceit and wickedness and to insinuate upon peoples minds that they are better in their Opinions than really they are Now to the end I might not be burthensome to my self in writing nor to the Reader in reading I shall only insist upon these two things before mentioned for if the true Christ be denied by them then is Satisfaction Justification Baptism and the Lord's Supper and all other things clearly gone the foundation being destroyed the house must of necessity fall Now I do affirm Christ and the Scriptures are divided by them and therefore all they say of them is but meer Equivocations and the Quakers Ministry are but meer Imposters and Cheats Consider well what thou readest and the Lord give thee understanding If God shall have any glory and thou shalt receive any benefit I have my end J. P. A BRIEF DIALOGUE Between A CHRISTIAN a Quaker Christian VVEll met Neighbour I would fain have some Discourse with you for I have read in several of your Adversaries Books that you hold dangerous Errors asserting those things that are notoriously false and denying those things that are really true and more particularly the holy Scriptures and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ What sayest thou to this Quaker I have told thee strainings perversions and false inferences are the frequent practice of our Adversaries the Qua. a Christian p. 3. Chr. I know this is your common answer but whether it be true I question What sayest thou therefore to the Scriptures Qu. I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written ibid. p. 9. Chr. What is this to the purpose I know thou canst use a thousand such Equivocations But tell me plainly are the Scriptures the rule of Faith and Practice or not Qu. Because we deny the Scriptures to be the rule of Faith and Practice in honour to that divine light that gave them forth ibid. p. 15. Chr. Wilt thou confess my charges and yet think to prove thy self a Christian and render my Impeachment as vain certainly thou art infatuated or worse otherwise thou would'st never talk at such a vain rate and render thy self such a ridiculous Scribler to all the world Qu. Thou hast left out what follows viz. which was the Author of them in the holy Pen-men that we should therefore deny all those holy precepts commandments and rules relating to life and godliness that are therein contained If thou had'st cited this thou had'st lost thy end as not doing it shews thy malice and folly together ibid. Chr. Thou hast absolutely denied them to be the rule of Faith and Practice and yet in the same breath would'st have me believe that thou do'st own those holy precepts commandments and rules relating to life and godliness therein contained Is not this to say they are not to be believed nor practiced and yet to say they ought to be believed and practiced and is not this heterodox or are we to own that for precepts commandments and rules which we are not to believe which is absurd But since you seem to own the Scriptures in some sense do you own them to be the true sayings of God Qu. Yea so far as they agree to the Light within Chr. 'T is evident what esteem you have of the Scriptures since you own these holy precepts commandments and rules therein contained no farther than the Light within directs you Qu. I have told thee this is forgery palpable forgery Count. Christ p. 11. Chr. I know you are ready to accuse me of forgery but pray tell me how far you do own and receive them Qu. By what rule shall we be convinced that the Scripture is the only rule of Life and hath this eminency above the Spirit we own the Spirit to be the only rule and guide into all truth and is the only rule now to understand the Scriptures G. W. Apol. p. 48. Chr. Thou queriest here by what rule thou mayest be convinced that the Scriptures are the only rule Hence 't is evident thou dost not own them so to be and then sayest the Spirit is the only rule to guide into all truth and to understand the Scriptures by is not 〈◊〉 to grant what is charg'd upon you viz. that you deny them to be the ●ule of Faith and Practice and that you own them no further man they agree with the Light within Qu. I would fain know of those of our present age upon what foot they receive them into this place and authority is it by tradition or revelation I mean the internal testimony of the Spirit or the external award and avouchment of men if the former they unavoidably come over to us for then the Spirit will and must be both rule and judge W. Pen Christian Quaker p. 141. Chr. Then the reason why men ought to live up to those holy rules laid down in the Scriptures is not from that divine authority that is imposed upon them men are no further obliged either to Faith or Obedience than the Light within moves them thereunto c. The Scriptures must be receiv'd upon the authority of the Light within or upon

is plain you believe he hath no other body but his Church But do you believe he shall so come in like manner as he was seen go into heaven Qu. I deny he shall come visibly and tho' it be said in like manner yet every like is not the same G. Whitehead Christ ascended p. 22. Chr. Is not this a plain denial of Christ's second personal coming Qu. They are like to be deceived who are expecting Christ's second coming will be a Personal coming which word person you add to the Scriptures not minding the penalty Revel 22. G. W. ibid. p. 23. Chr. 'T is almost time to conclude but before we part let me tell thee that from what hath been said I do gather 1st That you assert that Christ was before he took that body and that the taking that body did constitute him Christ nay that it was no part of Christ 2. That Christ was never visible nor seen with carnal eyes 3. That Christ is God and God is the Light within and that this Light in it self is the Christ of God and that this Light was all the Christ that was crucified which was crucified only within 4. That Christ Heaven and God's right hand is only within 5. That Christ's second coming will neither be visible nor personal consequently that he is come as much as he will come I think by this time I may safely conclude that both the holy Scriptures and the true Christ is really denied by you notwithstanding your equivocations and therefore Quakerism is the Mistery of iniquity or in it self but a meer mystical Romance Qu. Strainings Perversions and false Inferences being the frequent practice of our Adversaries at which rate the Scriptures may be made to prove there is no God if these words the fool hath said in his heart be left out of the Text The Quaker a Christian p. 3 Chr. If thou thinkest fit I am willing to put it upon tryal In the mean time I do affirm I have done ye no wrong neither by curtailing straining or misapplying of your principles I have taken many things immediately from your own Books Some things indeed I have taken from Tho. Hick's Dialogues I hope that 's no offence to thee Qu. Tho. Hicks is guilty of vile forgeries Counterfeit Christian Title page Chr. I know you accuse Tho. Hicks of many things which I know he is not guilty of but dost thou indeed believe his quotations in his Dialogues are forgeries Qu. I never thought so much less writ so nor was that the question taking quotations for places cited as to book and page and if generally accepted by him Countefeit Chrian p. 17. Chr. Herein then dost thou justify both him and me from forgeries in this matter however I have seen the most part of what I have here written in your own Books I shall now take my leave of thee desiring thou mayest turn from Quakerism to Christianity I shall address my self to the Reader whom I would heartily desire he would seriously consider what is here written I design it for thy good and now Reader consider the true Christ is really denied by th● Quakers and if so they are no Christians and so I hope thou wilt carefully avoid them and then as I have said before all other doctrines fall to the ground I might min● many more of their gross errors which as yet I have no● done I shall mind but one and that is the Resurrectio● of the Dead which tho' they pretend to own in som● sense I say they own it in no true sense I recommen● all to the blessing of God and rest thy Friend JOHN PLIMPTON POSTSCRIPT W. Pen tells you in his last Pamphlet Intituled Truth furth●● cleared p. 44 45. Principle 15th that frou our denying t●● resurrection of the same natural and corruptible body we are made deny the Resurrection of any Body however spiritual and glorifi●● and even of eternal Reward too Now if the Body rise not and t●● soul be part of God ahen consequently all eternal Rewards are de●●ed the first is denyed by W. Pen. The 2d is asserted by G. Fox th● King and Prophet Great Mystery p. 29. 68. 90. 100. in which pl●ces 't is plain from his words that the soul being a spiritual substanc● is part of God and God's Being without beginning and infinit● consequently Angels and Devils are Gods being spiritual substanc● or part of God's Being Such horrid Blasphemy is G. Fox and 〈◊〉 Quakers Guilty of ☞ If any desire to have any of these Books let the● come to my Lodging at Mrs. Bruntons in Great T●●mas-Court where they may be supplied FINIS