to_o your_o precept_n and_o in_o the_o feast_n of_o saint_n peter_n and_o paul_n to_o saint_n peter_n they_o pray_v much_o after_o the_o same_o manner_n and_o yet_o the_o scripture_n put_v the_o question_n who_o can_v forgive_v sin_n but_o god_n mar._n 2.7_o second_o they_o pray_v to_o they_o for_o grace_n and_o glory_n 56._o glory_n ps_n 56._o lady_n in_o thy_o name_n let_v i_o be_v safe_a and_o free_v i_o from_o my_o unrighteousness_n have_v mercy_n upon_o i_o and_o cleanse_v i_o from_o all_o my_o iniquity_n and_o again_o 50._o again_o ps_n 27._o &_o 50._o dissolve_v the_o bond_n of_o my_o iniquity_n take_v away_o the_o bundle_n of_o our_o sin_n purge_v my_o soul_n from_o its_o filth_n 87._o filth_n ps_n 3._o &_o 87._o by_o thy_o holiness_n be_v my_o sin_n purge_v 44._o purge_v ps_n 44._o thou_o be_v the_o beginning_n and_o end_n of_o my_o whole_a salvation_n totius_fw-la salutis_fw-la meae_fw-la etc._n etc._n 41._o etc._n ps_n 41._o 136._o 41._o ps_n 136._o by_o she_o be_v sin_n 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one_o another_o as_o saint_n paul_n himself_o do_v from_o the_o ephesian_n and_o other_o c._n 6.19_o c._n 2._o thes_n 3.1.4_o col._n 3._o where_o he_o bid_v the_o brethren_n pray_v for_o he_o answer_v very_o good_a but_o yet_o we_o dare_v not_o beg_v from_o these_o our_o brethren_n grace_n glory_n pardon_v of_o sin_n nor_o say_v with_o the_o roman_a breviary_n to_o the_o virgin_n mary_n we_o fly_v unto_o thou_o o_o virgin_n mary_n for_o thy_o defence_n and_o for_o as_o much_o as_o be_v conscious_a of_o our_o great_a offence_n we_o fear_v the_o wrath_n of_o a_o severe_a judge_n who_o we_o dare_v not_o see_v we_o fly_v unto_o thou_o his_o mother_n that_o thou_o will_v intercede_v for_o we_o unto_o god_n excuse_v our_o sin_n and_o obtain_v for_o its_o the_o grace_n of_o thy_o omnipotent_a son_n procure_v we_o the_o pardon_n of_o what_o ever_o we_o have_v commit_v second_o he_o tell_v we_o such_o beg_n of_o prayer_n be_v far_o from_o idolatry_n or_o diminution_n to_o christ_n since_o 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therefore_o will_v better_o deserve_v to_o be_v make_v use_n of_o then_o the_o other_o answer_v be_v it_o not_o then_o a_o wonder_n that_o saint_n paul_n if_o he_o may_v be_v permit_v to_o have_v know_v as_o much_o as_o mr._n c._n shall_v thrice_o call_v upon_o his_o brethren_n alive_a for_o their_o supplication_n and_o yet_o not_o put_v up_o one_o petition_n to_o a_o saint_n or_o angel_n second_o we_o know_v it_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o live_a saint_n to_o pray_v for_o one_o another_o but_o whether_o the_o saint_n depart_v pray_v at_o all_o whether_o for_o any_o in_o particular_a and_o how_o far_o we_o know_v not_o we_o know_v a_o certain_a way_n to_o excite_v the_o saint_n on_o earth_n to_o the_o performance_n of_o that_o duty_n in_o reference_n to_o we_o but_o we_o be_v ignorant_a of_o any_o way_n of_o convey_v our_o desire_n to_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n we_o have_v rule_n president_n and_o command_v in_o scripture_n for_o the_o first_o not_o one_o jot_n of_o all_o these_o in_o 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believe_v they_o to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d any_o way_n or_o that_o we_o be_v commit_v to_o their_o care_n or_o custody_n all_o this_o you_o do_v believe_v in_o inreference_n to_o the_o saint_n depart_v be_v not_o this_o therefore_o a_o very_a good_a argument_n if_o the_o prayer_n make_v to_o saint_n depart_v by_o the_o romanist_n wherein_o they_o beg_v of_o they_o grace_n and_o glory_n and_o all_o spiritual_a good_a thing_n trust_v in_o their_o patronage_n plead_v for_o audience_n on_o the_o account_n of_o their_o merit_n be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o merit_n of_o satisfaction_n and_o intercession_n of_o our_o saviour_n or_o otherwise_o unlawful_a then_o must_v the_o ask_n of_o my_o brother_n prayer_n in_o spite_n of_o all_o these_o difference_n be_v
to_o be_v do_v you_o must_v not_o be_v angry_a with_o tertullian_n for_o say_v you_o be_v superstitious_a 30._o apolog._n c._n 30._o again_o when_o he_o have_v tell_v we_o that_o christian_n pray_v for_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o emperor_n entreat_v for_o he_o quaecumque_fw-la hominis_fw-la &_o caesaris_fw-la vota_fw-la sunt_fw-la he_o add_v these_o thing_n i_o may_v not_o ask_v from_o any_o other_o then_o from_o he_o from_o who_o i_o know_v i_o shall_v obtain_v they_o because_o he_o it_o be_v who_o alone_o vouchsafe_v they_o and_o i_o be_o his_o servant_n unto_o who_o it_o appertain_v to_o obtain_v what_o be_v request_v dom._n et_fw-la ego_fw-la sum_fw-la famulus_fw-la ejus_fw-la qui_fw-la eum_fw-la solum_fw-la observo_fw-la lib._n de_fw-fr orat_fw-la dom._n who_o observe_v or_o worship_v he_o alone_o viz._n in_o my_o prayer_n and_o therefore_o he_o give_v no_o heed_n to_o saint_n and_o angel_n in_o they_o three_o s._n cyprian_n inform_v we_o that_o to_o pray_v otherwise_o then_o christ_n have_v teach_v we_o be_v not_o only_o our_o ignorance_n but_o fault_n he_o have_v say_v you_o reject_v the_o command_n of_o god_n that_o you_o may_v establish_v your_o own_o tradition_n wherefore_o unless_o the_o papist_n can_v show_v we_o this_o doctrine_n teach_v by_o christ_n we_o must_v esteem_v they_o ignorant_a and_o blame-worthy_a in_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o four_o when_o celsus_n have_v say_v that_o angel_n belong_v to_o god_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n we_o shall_v pray_v unto_o they_o to_o be_v favourable_a to_o we_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n 8._o orig._n cont._n cell_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d origen_n answer_v he_o away_o with_o celsus_n his_o counsel_n say_v that_o we_o must_v pray_v to_o angel_n and_o let_v we_o not_o so_o much_o as_o afford_v any_o little_a audience_n unto_o it_o for_o we_o must_v pray_v to_o he_o alone_o who_o be_v god_n over_o all_o and_o we_o must_v pray_v to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n his_o only_a beget_v and_o the_o first-born_a of_o all_o creature_n and_o whereas_o celsus_n have_v further_o say_v that_o we_o must_v offer_v first-fruit_n unto_o angel_n and_o prayer_n as_o long_o as_o we_o live_v that_o we_o may_v find_v they_o propitious_a unto_o we_o answer_n be_v return_v by_o origen_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o christian_n that_o they_o hold_v it_o rather_o fit_a to_o offer_v first_o fruit_n unto_o he_o who_o say_v let_v the_o earth_n bring_v forth_o grass_n 1._o gen._n 1._o the_o herb_n yield_v seed_n that_o be_v to_o the_o creator_n of_o the_o world_n and_o to_o who_o we_o give_v the_o first_o fruit_n say_v he_o to_o he_o also_o do_v we_o send_v our_o prayer_n have_v a_o great_a high_a priest_n that_o be_v enter_v into_o the_o heaven_n jesus_n the_o son_n of_o god_n 239._o pag._n 239._o again_o in_o his_o five_o book_n he_o lay_v down_o this_o conclusion_n all_o prayer_n and_o supplication_n and_o intercession_n and_o thanksgiving_n be_v to_o be_v send_v up_o unto_o god_n the_o lord_n of_o all_o by_o the_o high_a priest_n who_o be_v above_o all_o angel_n be_v the_o live_a word_n and_o god_n for_o to_o call_v upon_o angel_n the_o like_a may_v be_v say_v of_o saint_n depart_v we_o not_o comprehend_v the_o knowledge_n of_o they_o which_o be_v above_o the_o reach_n of_o man_n be_v not_o aggreeable_a to_o reason_n and_o if_o by_o supposition_n it_o be_v grant_v that_o the_o knowledge_n of_o they_o may_v be_v comprehend_v their_o very_a knowledge_n declare_v their_o nature_n to_o we_o and_o the_o charge_n over_o which_o every_o one_o of_o they_o be_v set_v will_v not_o permit_v we_o to_o presume_v to_o pray_v unto_o any_o other_o but_o unto_o god_n the_o lord_n over_o all_o who_o be_v abundant_o sufficient_a for_o all_o by_o our_o saviour_n the_o son_n of_o god_n 5._o athanasius_n say_v never_o any_o man_n pray_v to_o receive_v any_o thing_n from_o god_n and_o the_o angel_n or_o any_o create_v be_v maria._n l._n 4._o cont._n arian_n the_o papist_n say_v frequent_o deus_fw-la custodiat_fw-la te_fw-la &_o virgo_fw-la maria._n neither_o do_v ever_o any_o body_n conceive_v such_o a_o form_n of_o prayer_n god_n and_o the_o angel_n give_v thou_o such_o a_o thing_n but_o on_o the_o contrary_a he_o beg_v it_o from_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n by_o reason_n of_o their_o unity_n and_o uniform_a reason_n of_o give_v 6._o that_o of_o saint_n augustine_n be_v very_o worthy_a to_o be_v ponder_v who_o shall_v i_o find_v that_o may_v reconcile_v i_o unto_o thou_o shall_v i_o have_v go_v unto_o the_o angel_n he_o may_v as_o well_o have_v add_v saint_n with_o what_o prayer_n with_o what_o sacrament_n many_o endeavour_v to_o return_v unto_o thou_o and_o not_o be_v able_a to_o do_v it_o by_o themselves_o as_o i_o hear_v he_o then_o have_v no_o experience_n of_o it_o from_o the_o church_n practice_n have_v try_v these_o thing_n and_o have_v fall_v into_o the_o desire_n of_o curious_a vision_n and_o be_v account_v worthy_a of_o illusion_n 7._o 102._o in_o cap._n 1._o ad_fw-la rom._n see_v a_o excellent_a place_n parallel_n to_o this_o in_o arnob._n adv_fw-la gentes_fw-la l._n 3._o p._n 101_o 102._o saint_n ambrose_n or_o whoever_o be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o commentary_n upon_o saint_n paul_n epistle_n extant_a among_o his_o work_n say_v those_o that_o be_v ashamed_a of_o their_o neglect_a god_n be_v wont_a to_o use_v this_o miserable_a excuse_n that_o by_o those_o saint_n or_o angel_n we_o may_v go_v to_o god_n as_o to_o a_o king_n by_o his_o officer_n go_v too_o say_v he_o be_v there_o any_o man_n so_o mad_a or_o so_o unmindful_a of_o his_o safety_n as_o to_o give_v the_o king_n honour_n to_o a_o officer_n whereas_o if_o any_o shall_v be_v find_v but_o to_o treat_v of_o sucha_fw-mi matter_n they_o be_v just_o condemn_v as_o guilty_a of_o high_a treason_n and_o yet_o those_o man_n think_v themselves_o not_o guilty_a who_o give_v the_o honour_n of_o god_n name_n to_o a_o creature_n and_o leave_v the_o lord_n adore_v their_o fellow_n servant_n as_o though_o there_o be_v any_o thing_n more_o that_o can_v be_v reserve_v to_o god_n for_o therefore_o do_v man_n go_v to_o the_o king_n by_o tribune_n or_o officer_n because_o the_o king_n be_v but_o a_o man_n and_o know_v not_o to_o who_o he_o may_v commit_v the_o state_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n but_o to_o procure_v the_o favour_n of_o god_n from_o who_o nothing_o be_v hide_v we_o need_v no_o spokesman_n but_o a_o devout_a mind_n for_o wheresoever_o such_o a_o one_o shall_v speak_v unto_o he_o he_o will_v answer_v he_o so_o then_o to_o go_v to_o god_n by_o other_o be_v to_o neglect_n god_n and_o to_o adore_v our_o fellow_n creature_n it_o be_v a_o miserable_a excuse_n yea_o it_o be_v to_o give_v the_o honour_n of_o god_n to_o a_o creature_n and_o so_o idolatry_n a_o superfluous_a thing_n and_o consequent_o superstitious_a in_o those_o who_o esteem_v it_o necessary_a far_o sect._n 21_o the_o ancient_n put_v god_n into_o the_o very_a definition_n or_o description_n of_o prayer_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v think_v to_o have_v esteem_v it_o lawful_a to_o pray_v to_o any_o other_o or_o to_o saint_n who_o they_o esteem_v not_o to_o be_v god_n or._n orat._n in_o julit_fw-la mart._n orat._n 1._o de_fw-fr or._n thus_o basil_n prayer_n be_v a_o request_n of_o some_o good_a thing_n which_o be_v make_v by_o pious_a man_n to_o god_n greg._n nysen_n prayer_n be_v a_o conference_n with_o god_n and_o again_o it_o be_v a_o request_n of_o good_a thing_n which_o be_v offer_v with_o supplication_n unto_o god_n chrysost_n 2._o 2._o de_fw-fr orat._n dom_n in_o gen._n hom._n 30_o de_fw-fr orat._n l._n 2._o prayer_n be_v a_o colloquy_n or_o discourse_n with_o god_n and_o again_o every_o one_o that_o pray_v discourse_v with_o god_n and_o damascene_fw-la prayer_n be_v a_o ascension_n of_o the_o mind_n to_o god_n as_o a_o request_n of_o thing_n that_o be_v fit_a from_o god_n again_o sect._n 22_o they_o tell_v we_o that_o prayer_n be_v to_o be_v make_v to_o god_n alone_o and_o therefore_o not_o to_o saint_n or_o angel_n 1._o in_o ps_n 5._o ad_fw-la deum_fw-la solum_fw-la dirigitur_fw-la tom._n 10._o vide_fw-la forb_n confid_v mod_a p._n 295._o in_o 1_o cor._n hom._n 1._o thus_o to_o omit_v saint_n ambrose_n above_o cite_v saint_n basil_n say_v prayer_n be_v not_o direct_v to_o man_n but_o to_o god_n alone_o saint_n ephraim_n to_o the_o o_o lord_n and_o to_o none_o beside_o thou_o do_v i_o make_v my_o prayer_n and_o further_a chrysost_n on_o those_o word_n with_o all_o that_o call_v upon_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n give_v this_o exposition_n not_o of_o this_o or_o that_o creature_n but_o of_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n again_o on_o these_o word_n do_v all_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n
to_o what_o these_o testimony_n seem_v to_o speak_v nor_o do_v he_o there_o say_v as_o our_o author_n cite_v he_o baptism_n alone_o may_v suffice_v to_o the_o salvation_n of_o infant_n indeed_o one_o of_o the_o place_n tell_v we_o that_o there_o be_v full_a remission_n of_o sin_n in_o baptism_n and_o consequent_o if_o the_o person_n baptise_a shall_v instant_o depart_v this_o life_n si_fw-la continuo_fw-la consequatur_fw-la ab_fw-la hac_fw-la vita_fw-la migratio_fw-la he_o will_v not_o be_v obnoxious_a to_o any_o thing_n agreeable_a to_o which_o be_v the_o place_n cite_v from_o venerable_a bede_n but_o hence_o we_o can_v only_o infer_v that_o st._n austin_n think_v in_o such_o a_o case_n of_o absolute_a necessity_n they_o may_v be_v dispense_v with_o through_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n but_o yet_o it_o be_v evident_a he_o hold_v they_o have_v a_o right_a to_o the_o sacrament_n and_o that_o ordinary_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o their_o obtain_n life_n eternal_a which_o also_o most_o evident_o appear_v from_o the_o book_n cite_v by_o our_o author_n cap._n 24._o he_o cite_v cap._n 22._o from_o a_o ancient_n and_o as_o i_o suppose_v apostolical_a tradition_n the_o church_n of_o christ_n have_v this_o deep_o settle_v in_o they_o that_o without_o baptism_n and_o the_o participation_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n no_o man_n can_v attain_v to_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n nor_o yet_o to_o life_n eternal_a which_o after_o he_o have_v endeavour_v to_o prove_v from_o 1_o peter_n 3._o and_o john_n 6._o he_o proceed_v thus_o if_o therefore_o so_o many_o testimony_n divine_v convince_v we_o that_o everlasting_a life_n be_v not_o to_o be_v expect_v without_o baptism_n and_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v in_o vain_a to_o promise_v it_o to_o child_n without_o they_o now_o if_o this_o opinion_n which_o st._n austin_n say_v be_v so_o deep_o settle_v in_o the_o 264._o see_v austin_n ep_v 95._o de_fw-fr usu_fw-la patrum_fw-la p._n 263_o 264._o church_n of_o god_n and_o which_o be_v hold_v by_o innocent_a the_o first_o by_o st._n cyprian_n and_o other_o as_o dally_n may_v inform_v you_o be_v not_o a_o flat_a contradiction_n to_o the_o trent_n council_n anathema_n upon_o those_o who_o hold_v parvulis_fw-la necessariam_fw-la esse_fw-la eucharistiae_fw-la communionem_fw-la let_v any_o reasonable_a man_n judge_v chap._n x._o the_o question_n state_v by_o mr._n c._n sect._n 1._o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a infer_v not_o purgatory_n sect._n 3_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n not_o faithful_o relate_v sect._n 4._o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a not_o of_o apostolical_a antiquity_n sect._n 5._o the_o testimony_n of_o st._n denis_n consider_v sect._n 6._o of_o tertullian_n sect._n 7._o of_o st._n cyprian_n sect._n 8._o st._n chrysostome_n sect._n 9_o eusebius_n sect._n 10._o epiphanius_n sect._n 11._o a_o evasion_n confute_v sect._n 12._o st._n ambrose_n sect._n 13._o st._n austin_n not_o for_o purgatory_n sect._n 14._o mr._n c_o s._o dilemma_n consider_v sect._n 15._o argument_n against_o purgatory_n sect._n 16_o 17._o mr._n c_o s._o argument_n answer_v s._n 18_o 19_o in_o this_o chapter_n our_o author_n tell_v we_o sect._n 1_o that_o the_o church_n oblige_v all_o catholic_n no_o further_o 112._o sect._n 4._o &_o 5._o 111_o 112._o then_o simple_o to_o believe_v there_o be_v a_o state_n or_o place_n of_o soul_n in_o which_o they_o be_v capable_a of_o receive_v help_n or_o ease_v by_o prayer_n whereupon_o he_o give_v we_o a_o prayer_n of_o the_o mass_n which_o merciful_o desire_v to_o all_o that_o rest_n in_o christ_n a_o place_n of_o refreshment_n light_n and_o peace_n through_o christ_n our_o lord_n and_o also_o another_o which_o beseech_v the_o lord_n to_o absolve_v the_o soul_n of_o his_o servant_n from_o all_o the_o chain_n of_o his_o sin_n now_o say_v he_o if_o it_o can_v be_v demonstrate_v that_o by_o the_o universal_a practice_n of_o the_o church_n such_o prayer_n as_o these_o be_v make_v for_o the_o dead_a it_o avoidable_o follow_v that_o the_o soul_n for_o who_o they_o be_v make_v be_v neither_o in_o heaven_n nor_o hell_n and_o if_o so_o where_o be_v they_o dr._n pierce_n speak_v like_o a_o honest_a man_n sect._n 1_o answer_n this_o be_v a_o shrewd_a argument_n which_o force_v the_o doctor_n either_o to_o lose_v his_o honesty_n or_o his_o cause_n but_o sure_a the_o case_n be_v not_o so_o desperate_a for_o be_v this_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o yet_o be_v a_o evident_a untruth_n and_o be_v these_o prayer_n use_v from_o the_o beginning_n and_o that_o through_o the_o universal_a church_n of_o god_n which_o can_v be_v prove_v yet_o will_v i_o defy_v his_o conclusion_n and_o his_o argument_n to_o infer_v it_o for_o 1._o sect._n 2_o if_o prayer_n for_o a_o place_n of_o refreshment_n exclude_v the_o person_n pray_v for_o at_o present_a out_o of_o heaven_n then_o be_v there_o not_o one_o saint_n one_o martyr_n nay_o not_o the_o virgin_n mary_n herself_o now_o in_o heaven_n see_v the_o prayer_n beg_v this_o to_o all_o that_o rest_n in_o christ_n sanctorum_fw-la sess_n 9_o de_fw-fr invocatione_n sanctorum_fw-la and_o then_o farewell_n the_o council_n of_o trent_n which_o talk_v of_o saint_n reign_v with_o christ_n &_o aeterna_fw-la felicitate_a in_fw-la coelo_fw-la fruentium_fw-la nay_o the_o liturgy_n of_o saint_n james_n pray_v for_o the_o spirit_n of_o all_o flesh_n which_o they_o have_v pray_v for_o and_o which_o they_o have_v not_o from_o righteous_a abel_n to_o that_o very_a day_n that_o they_o may_v rest_v in_o the_o region_n of_o the_o live_n in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n in_o the_o delight_n of_o paradise_n in_o the_o bosom_n of_o abraham_n isaac_n and_o jacob_n and_o yet_o will_v our_o author_n say_v that_o there_o be_v not_o one_o of_o these_o soul_n in_o heaven_n and_o so_o for_o the_o absolve_a of_o their_o sin_n which_o be_v his_o second_o instance_n the_o liturgy_n of_o saint_n crhysostom_n pray_v for_o all_o the_o father_n and_o brethren_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o have_v go_v before_o they_o for_o all_o that_o have_v labour_v and_o administer_v in_o the_o holy_a function_n before_o they_o for_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o bvilder_n of_o their_o mansion_n worthy_a to_o be_v have_v in_o perpetual_a remembrance_n and_o pray_v god_n to_o pardon_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o the_o orthodox_n father_n and_o brethren_n which_o sleep_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o god_n in_o the_o hope_n of_o the_o resurrection_n and_o eternal_a life_n dall_n de_fw-fr satisfact_n page_n 510._o and_o likewise_o saint_n augustin_n pray_v for_o his_o mother_n that_o the_o lord_n will_v pardon_v her_o sin_n 13_o confess_v l._n 9_o c._n 13_o i_o know_v o_o lord_n say_v he_o that_o she_o be_v merciful_a and_o from_o her_o heart_n forgive_v her_o debtor_n do_v thou_o therefore_o forgive_v her_o debt_n if_o she_o have_v contract_v any_o after_o her_o baptism_n for_o so_o many_o year_n forgive_v her_o lord_n forgive_v she_o i_o beseech_v thou_o do_v not_o thou_o enter_v into_o judgement_n with_o she_o and_o so_o on_o and_o yet_o the_o same_o austin_n tell_v we_o what_o ever_o it_o be_v that_o be_v signify_v by_o abraham_n bosom_n there_o his_o mother_n be_v ibi_fw-la vivit_fw-la nam_fw-la quis_fw-la alius_fw-la tali_fw-la animae_fw-la locus_fw-la for_o what_o other_o place_n be_v fit_v for_o she_o of_o such_o prayer_n our_o author_n may_v find_v good_a store_n in_o dall_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la &_o pag._n 520._o now_o then_o be_v abraham_n bosom_n purgatory_n be_v all_o the_o orthodox_n father_n in_o purgatory_n or_o if_o not_o be_v it_o not_o evident_a that_o the_o church_n have_v make_v such_o prayer_n for_o those_o that_o be_v not_o in_o purgatory_n sect._n 4_o 2._o we_o shall_v tell_v he_o in_o the_o sequel_n of_o the_o chapter_n that_o these_o prayer_n of_o the_o father_n depend_v partly_o upon_o supposition_n explode_v by_o the_o romanist_n himself_o partly_o upon_o other_o thing_n which_o can_v suppose_v a_o purgatory_n in_o the_o mild_a sense_n sect._n 5_o but_o be_v it_o true_a that_o the_o romanist_n purgatory_n be_v only_o a_o place_n wherein_o soul_n be_v capable_a of_o receive_v help_n or_o ease_v by_o prayer_n why_o then_o may_v it_o not_o be_v heaven_n for_o the_o soul_n there_o may_v be_v help_v to_o a_o full_a state_n of_o glory_n by_o our_o prayer_n as_o the_o father_n general_o affirm_v 2._o the_o trent_n council_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o catholic_n church_n out_o of_o scripture_n and_o the_o ancient_a tradition_n of_o the_o father_n and_o the_o holy_a council_n have_v teach_v we_o that_o there_o be_v a_o purgatory_n and_o thereupon_o command_v the_o bishop_n to_o be_v diligent_a that_o the_o sound_a doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n teach_v by_o the_o father_n and_o council_n shall_v be_v believe_v hold_v and_o every_o where_o preach_v now_o
be_v conjoin_v to_o his_o brother_n he_o enjoy_v the_o pleasure_n of_o everlasting_a life_n bless_v be_v you_o both_o if_o my_o orison_n can_v prevail_v any_o thing_n no_o day_n shall_v overslip_v you_o in_o silence_n no_o oration_n shall_v pass_v you_o over_o unhonour_v no_o night_n shall_v steal_v by_o wherein_o i_o will_v not_o bestow_v upon_o you_o some_o portion_n of_o my_o prayer_n with_o all_o oblation_n will_v i_o frequent_v you_o only_o the_o mischief_n be_v he_o do_v not_o add_v till_o i_o find_v a_o deliverance_n of_o you_o from_o purgatory_n or_o any_o such_o word_n indeed_o in_o his_o oration_n on_o the_o death_n of_o the_o emperor_n theodosius_n he_o tell_v we_o that_o he_o will_v follow_v he_o to_o the_o region_n of_o the_o live_n nor_o will_v he_o leave_v he_o till_o by_o his_o prayer_n and_o tear_n he_o have_v bring_v he_o into_o that_o place_n his_o desert_n do_v challenge_v quò_fw-la sva_fw-la merita_fw-la vocant_fw-la viz._n into_o the_o holy_a mount_n of_o god_n where_o there_o be_v everlasting_a life_n where_o there_o be_v no_o contagion_n of_o corruption_n no_o sigh_n no_o grief_n no_o company_n of_o the_o dead_a do_v he_o understand_v it_o of_o soul_n then_o must_v none_o of_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a be_v in_o heaven_n of_o body_n i_o hope_v our_o body_n must_v not_o go_v to_o purgatory_n with_o our_o soul_n but_o the_o region_n of_o the_o live_n where_o this_o mortal_a shall_v put_v on_o immortality_n this_o corruptible_a incorruption_n but_o yet_o he_o present_o tell_v we_o that_o theodosius_n remain_v in_o light_n and_o glory_n in_o the_o company_n of_o the_o saint_n purgatory_n to_o be_v sure_o be_v a_o place_n that_o he_o have_v cause_n to_o glory_n of_o and_o enjoy_v rest_n for_o his_o soul_n they_o rest_v very_o quiet_o sleep_v in_o utramque_fw-la aurem_fw-la in_o purgatory_n yea_o a_o little_a before_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o he_o now_o enjoy_v eternal_a light_n i_o suppose_v as_o be_v enlighten_v by_o the_o fire_n of_o purgatory_n and_o continual_a tranquillity_n and_o for_o the_o thing_n which_o he_o do_v in_o this_o body_n he_o rejoice_v in_o the_o fruit_n of_o god_n reward_n and_o be_v that_o think_v you_o purgatory_n and_o because_o he_o love_v the_o lord_n his_o god_n he_o have_v obtain_v the_o society_n of_o the_o saint_n but_o you_o will_v say_v if_o saint_n ambrose_n think_v he_o in_o bliss_n or_o a_o happy_a state_n what_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o his_o former_a word_n ans_fw-fr you_o may_v see_v by_o what_o be_v say_v already_o that_o he_o can_v intend_v to_o bring_v he_o out_o of_o purgatory_n by_o his_o prayer_n which_o be_v sufficient_a for_o i_o nor_o 2._o can_v he_o be_v suppose_v to_o weep_v for_o he_o till_o his_o mortal_a do_v put_v on_o immortality_n unless_o he_o think_v he_o shall_v live_v till_o the_o resurrection_n or_o theodosius_n rise_v before_o it_o well_o then_o 3._o dally_n will_v tell_v you_o that_o it_o be_v usual_a in_o scripture_n and_o sacred_a writer_n to_o speak_v of_o thing_n as_o do_v which_o they_o be_v certain_a will_v come_v to_o pass_v so_o isaac_n say_v gen._n 27.37_o i_o have_v make_v jacob_n esau_n lord_n and_o all_o his_o brethren_n his_o servant_n because_o he_o have_v foretell_v it_o will_v be_v so_o even_o thus_o s._n ambrose_n say_v he_o will_v never_o leave_v pray_v till_o the_o emperor_n resurrection_n because_o he_o be_v sufficient_o assure_v that_o god_n will_v raise_v he_o unto_o life_n eternal_a and_o transser_v he_o to_o heaven_n now_o then_o see_v it_o be_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o sun_n that_o ambrose_n think_v they_o both_o in_o heaven_n or_o in_o abraham_n bosom_n viz._n the_o emperor_n valentinian_n and_o theodosius_n be_v it_o possible_a he_o shall_v pray_v for_o their_o deliverance_n out_o of_o purgatory_n what_o good_a can_v they_o need_v beside_o that_o which_o he_o pray_v for_o a_o speedy_a resurrection_n who_o already_o enjoy_v the_o pleasure_n of_o eternal_a life_n if_o eternal_a life_n be_v purgatory_n i_o will_v not_o give_v two_o penny_n for_o the_o pope_n indulgence_n to_o be_v deliver_v from_o it_o this_o be_v so_o be_v not_o our_o author_n a_o brave_a juggler_n who_o dare_v add_v for_o deliverance_n to_o saint_n ambrose_n and_o that_o he_o may_v not_o be_v find_v out_o cite_v neither_o place_n nor_o tell_v we_o of_o what_o emperor_n whether_o theodosius_n or_o valentinian_n he_o mean_v it_o albeit_o he_o produce_v the_o place_n only_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o ancient_n think_v the_o soul_n depart_v to_o have_v some_o present_a refreshment_n which_o indeed_o they_o do_v allow_v to_o saint_n suppose_v to_o be_v in_o abraham_n bosom_n and_o that_o from_o the_o company_n of_o angel_n and_o archangel_n and_o the_o vision_n of_o christ_n which_o they_o be_v suppose_v to_o enjoy_v in_o those_o receptacle_n &_o the_o increment_n of_o divine_a light_n and_o joy_n which_o ambrose_n speak_v of_o he_o have_v four_o place_n more_o out_o of_o saint_n austin_n in_o behalf_n of_o purgatory_n sect._n 14_o 21_o confess_v l._n 9_o c._n 21_o but_o the_o 1._o where_o his_o mother_n beg_v that_o she_o may_v be_v remember_v at_o the_o altar_n fall_v strange_o short_a of_o purgatory_n since_o i_o have_v make_v it_o appear_v that_o those_o who_o be_v suppose_v to_o be_v in_o heaven_n be_v there_o remember_v and_o this_o remembrance_n be_v make_v for_o divers_a other_o reason_n nor_o 2._o be_v there_o any_o thing_n in_o that_o which_o saint_n austin_n say_v 5._o de_fw-fr cnra_fw-la per_fw-la mortem_fw-la c._n 5._o we_o must_v by_o no_o mean_n omit_v necessary_a supplication_n for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a that_o repose_n may_v be_v obtain_v to_o they_o since_o it_o be_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o sun_n that_o they_o pray_v for_o repose_v to_o all_o the_o servant_n of_o god_n depart_v and_o saint_n ambrose_n beg_v rest_n for_o the_o emperor_n theodosius_n of_o who_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o he_o be_v in_o rest_n already_o nor_o will_v the_o 3._o place_v cite_v out_o of_o his_o enchiridion_n do_v he_o service_n viz._n 110._o c._n 110._o that_o the_o sacrifice_n be_v offer_v as_o a_o thanksgiving_n for_o martyr_n but_o as_o a_o propitiation_n for_o other_o for_o 1._o it_o be_v evident_a that_o saint_n austin_n when_o he_o write_v this_o book_n be_v of_o saint_n chrysostoms_n opinion_n for_o as_o much_o as_o he_o tell_v we_o 110._o eâ—ch_o c._n 110._o that_o these_o who_o our_o suffrage_n do_v profit_n they_o do_v it_o either_o that_o they_o may_v have_v a_o full_a remission_n or_o a_o more_o tolerable_a damnation_n and_o then_o no_o wonder_n if_o he_o allow_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o eucharist_n or_o prayer_n to_o profit_n for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n 2._o it_o may_v be_v offer_v for_o a_o propitation_n in_o respect_n of_o other_o and_o they_o not_o in_o purgatory_n but_o in_o abraham_n bosom_n as_o well_o as_o saint_n augustine_n may_v pray_v so_o earnest_o for_o his_o mother_n that_o god_n will_v be_v propitious_a to_o she_o and_o yet_o she_o be_v in_o abraham_n 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lamentable_a a_o fashion_n be_v not_o a_o part_n of_o that_o scene_n and_o pageantry_n at_o which_o saint_n chrysostome_n do_v so_o take_v on_o i_o leave_v it_o unto_o other_o to_o judge_v that_o his_o fear_n be_v not_o altogether_o vain_a the_o event_n itself_o do_v show_v the_o citation_n out_o of_o eusebius_n touch_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o people_n and_o clergy_n not_o without_o tear_n and_o groan_n sect._n 10_o 9_o de_fw-fr vita_fw-la constan_n l._n 4_o c._n 9_o for_o the_o soul_n of_o constantine_n what_o do_v it_o infer_v more_o than_o this_o that_o they_o be_v earnest_a with_o god_n that_o his_o soul_n may_v be_v partaker_n of_o some_o of_o those_o various_a benefit_n which_o we_o mention_v before_o and_o none_o of_o which_o at_o all_o refer_v to_o purgatory_n but_o yet_o notwithstanding_o that_o they_o think_v the_o emperor_n in_o a_o state_n of_o bliss_n must_v needs_o be_v grant_v if_o we_o suppose_v they_o to_o have_v believe_v what_o he_o tell_v they_o be_v at_o the_o point_n of_o death_n that_o he_o have_v now_o attain_v the_o true_a life_n 63._o euseb_n de_fw-fr vita_fw-la constant_n l._n 4_o c._n 63._o and_o that_o none_o but_o himself_o do_v understand_v of_o what_o happiness_n he_o be_v make_v partaker_n and_o that_o therefore_o he_o hasten_v his_o go_v immediate_o to_o god_n as_o to_o that_o of_o epiphanius_n sect._n 11_o tell_v we_o that_o prayer_n make_v fâ—â—_n the_o dead_a profit_n we_o albeit_o they_o do_v not_o blot_v out_o entire_o all_o mortal_a sin_v first_o if_o this_o word_n stand_v which_o he_o put_v in_o then_o must_v it_o be_v grant_v that_o they_o alleviate_v even_o mortal_a sin_n and_o be_v well_o make_v for_o those_o that_o die_v under_o the_o guilt_n of_o they_o and_o then_o he_o be_v necessary_o to_o be_v understand_v in_o saint_n chrysostom_n sense_n or_o else_o he_o contradict_v the_o know_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o be_v that_o those_o prayer_n be_v not_o make_v for_o any_o that_o die_v under_o 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show_v evident_o that_o the_o romanist_n be_v aâ—rians_n not_o we_o although_o the_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a do_v not_o cut_v off_o all_o their_o sin_n which_o be_v the_o only_a thing_n thou_o go_v about_o to_o prove_v yet_o do_v it_o profit_v notwithstanding_o for_o another_o purpose_n now_o from_o this_o sentence_n can_v it_o not_o be_v infer_v that_o epiphanius_n think_v these_o prayer_n profitable_a to_o the_o cut_n off_o of_o any_o sin_n which_o the_o person_n have_v commit_v in_o his_o life_n time_n but_o this_o be_v only_o add_v because_o aerius_n go_v about_o to_o prove_v this_o only_a that_o prayer_n make_v for_o the_o dead_a do_v not_o cut_v off_o all_o their_o sin_n now_o whereas_o sect._n 10._o our_o author_n will_v avoid_v the_o answer_n usual_o return_v upon_o their_o argument_n sect._n 12_o by_o tell_v they_o that_o prayer_n be_v make_v for_o martyr_n apostle_n yea_o all_o saint_n 11._o p._n 115_o sect._n 11._o by_o the_o father_n which_o yet_o they_o dare_v not_o say_v be_v still_o in_o purgatory_n with_o this_o old_a salvo_n that_o such_o prayer_n as_o be_v make_v for_o remission_n of_o sin_n refreshment_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o make_v for_o they_o but_o imperfect_a sinner_n '_o this_o reply_n have_v be_v obviate_v already_o by_o i_o by_o show_v that_o such_o prayer_n as_o these_o he_o mention_n be_v make_v for_o the_o martyr_n and_o apostle_n as_o it_o be_v more_a large_o do_v by_o dally_n page_n 501._o and_o 507._o as_o to_o refreshment_n with_o such_o abundant_a evidence_n as_o i_o be_o confident_a master_n cressie_n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o reply_v unto_o it_o and_o as_o to_o remission_n of_o sin_n with_o convictive_a evidence_n yea_o further_o they_o pray_v for_o they_o that_o they_o may_v be_v deliver_v from_o the_o punishment_n of_o hell_n and_o obtain_v everlasting_a bliss_n as_o appear_v from_o the_o liturgy_n of_o saint_n james_n that_o they_o may_v pass_v by_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n and_o the_o way_n of_o darkness_n from_o the_o prayer_n use_v of_o old_a in_o the_o roman_a church_n for_o all_o depart_v in_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o holy_a trinity_n that_o they_o may_v be_v separate_v from_o the_o punishment_n of_o the_o wicked_a and_o obtain_v everlasting_a bliss_n and_o from_o what_o the_o romanist_n say_v daily_o in_o their_o mass_n desire_v the_o lord_n jesus_n that_o he_o will_v deliver_v the_o soul_n of_o all_o the_o faithful_a that_o be_v depart_v from_o the_o pain_n of_o hell_n and_o from_o the_o deep_a lake_n and_o from_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o lion_n that_o hell_n do_v not_o swallow_v they_o up_o that_o they_o fall_v not_o into_o darkness_n sect._n 13_o well_o but_o our_o author_n proceed_v and_o tell_v we_o that_o indeed_o many_o of_o these_o prayer_n do_v regard_v the_o day_n of_o judgement_n 11._o p._n 115._o sect._n 11._o and_o the_o glory_n ensue_v yet_o withal_o that_o they_o think_v to_o some_o soul_n a_o present_a refreshment_n do_v accrue_v in_o the_o intermedial_a condition_n be_v evident_a from_o what_o saint_n ambrose_n say_v he_o will_v never_o cease_v his_o intercession_n for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a emperor_n till_o he_o find_v a_o deliverance_n by_o they_o and_o we_o answer_v he_o where_o be_v it_o that_o saint_n ambrose_n say_v so_o and_o of_o what_o emperor_n do_v he_o think_v we_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v but_o to_o read_v over_o author_n to_o find_v out_o his_o quotation_n quotation_n do_v i_o say_v or_o falfifying_n for_o let_v we_o hear_v saint_n ambrose_n thus_o speak_v let_v we_o believe_v that_o valentinian_n be_v ascend_v from_o the_o desert_n that_o be_v to_o say_v imp._n de_fw-fr obitu_fw-la valent_n imp._n from_o this_o dry_a and_o unmanured_a place_n unto_o those_o flowery_a delight_n where_o
forth_o of_o this_o index_n in_o possevine_n among_o other_o european_a library_n deny_v it_o and_o for_o a_o taste_n of_o the_o author_n harken_v to_o his_o notable_a hyperbole_n that_o the_o wood_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v so_o multiply_v that_o all_o the_o world_n be_v full_a of_o it_o three_o sect._n 7_o next_o for_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a he_o tell_v we_o p._n 466._o out_o of_o cardinal_n baronius_n that_o they_o be_v hold_v a_o mere_a forgery_n the_o true_a nicene_n act_n say_v he_o except_o some_o fragment_n rake_v at_o second_o hand_n out_o of_o several_a author_n be_v sufficient_o know_v to_o be_v all_o lose_v as_o be_v make_v away_o and_o have_v suffer_v shipwreck_n in_o the_o arrian_n tempest_n and_o again_o whereas_o all_o age_n have_v be_v most_o eager_a in_o the_o pursuit_n of_o so_o noble_a a_o monument_n never_o a_o man_n can_v hitherto_o find_v it_o and_o conclude_v that_o now_o no_o hope_n remain_v of_o so_o fertile_a a_o vintage_n nay_o when_o hard_a search_n 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of_o origen_n foist_v into_o it_o so_o the_o author_n of_o the_o paris_n edition_n 1573._o three_o that_o it_o mention_n severus_n a_o eutychian_a a_o full_a 100_o year_n late_a than_o cyrill_n four_o that_o it_o speak_v contrary_a to_o nyssen_n himself_o and_o five_o that_o it_o hold_v no_o correspondence_n with_o all_o that_o theodoret_n cite_v thence_o and_o last_o refer_v we_o to_o twelve_o argument_n of_o spalatensis_n against_o this_o and_o the_o follow_a chapter_n five_o sect._n 9_o cyril_n epistle_n ad_fw-la calosyr_n be_v not_o extant_a among_o his_o work_n and_o whether_o cyrill_a of_o alexandria_n write_v it_o be_v very_o uncertain_a and_o albeit_o i_o can_v not_o where_o come_v to_o a_o perusal_n of_o it_o yet_o it_o be_v capable_a of_o this_o sense_n christ_n be_v not_o alter_v viz._n the_o sacrament_n represent_v christ_n be_v not_o alter_v neither_o be_v his_o body_n that_o be_v the_o symbol_n of_o his_o body_n change_v by_o be_v keep_v till_o another_o day_n but_o the_o virtue_n of_o benediction_n and_o quicken_a grace_n perpetual_o remain_v in_o it_o for_o what_o be_v it_o that_o be_v bless_v sure_o not_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n that_o be_v not_o present_a till_o after_o the_o benediction_n even_o when_o hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la be_v pronounce_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v the_o eucharistical_a bread_n which_o he_o call_v christ_n and_o yet_o be_v all_o these_o author_n true_a they_o may_v be_v answer_v by_o tell_v our_o adversary_n they_o may_v as_o well_o have_v cite_v our_o common_a prayer_n book_n which_o call_v the_o bread_n sect._n 10_o the_o body_n of_o our_o lord_n christ_n and_o the_o wine_n his_o blood_n shed_v for_o we_o for_o we_o acknowledge_v it_o be_v so_o viz._n sacramental_o and_o representative_o but_o not_o by_o any_o substantial_a mutation_n the_o rest_n of_o the_o father_n be_v quote_v for_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n sect._n 11_o and_o there_o be_v but_o two_o sentence_n that_o can_v seem_v to_o incline_v to_o transubstantiation_n the_o first_o be_v that_o of_o saint_n chrysostome_n to_o wit_n the_o most_o precious_a thing_n in_o heaven_n i_o will_v show_v thou_o place_v upon_o earth_n 24._o 1_o cor._n 10._o hom._n 24._o but_o this_o may_v be_v fair_o interpret_v thus_o that_o it_o be_v place_v upon_o earth_n in_o its_o representation_n in_o those_o element_n which_o convey_v the_o virtue_n of_o his_o body_n to_o we_o and_o therefore_o deserve_o be_v call_v his_o body_n let_v chrysostome_n interpret_v himself_o who_o in_o his_o epistle_n ad_fw-la caesar_n contra_fw-la haeres_fw-la apollinar_a cite_v by_o damascen_n and_o the_o collector_n of_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o father_n against_o the_o severian_n set_v forth_o by_o turrian_n have_v these_o word_n before_o the_o bread_n be_v sanctify_v we_o name_v it_o bread_n but_o the_o divine_a grace_n sanctify_v it_o by_o the_o mean_n of_o the_o priest_n it_o be_v free_v from_o that_o name_n and_o be_v esteem_v worthy_a to_o be_v call_v the_o lord_n body_n although_o the_o nature_n of_o bread_n remain_v in_o it_o and_o yet_o i_o must_v not_o forget_v to_o tell_v you_o 130._o p._n 130._o that_o whereas_o our_o adversary_n render_v a_o clause_n of_o saint_n chrysostom_n sentence_n thou_o not_o only_o see_v the_o body_n itself_o saint_n chrysostome_n have_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d thou_o do_v not_o indce_v see_v the_o very_a same_o body_n not_o proper_o the_o same_o that_o the_o magi_n see_v but_o thou_o know_v both_o the_o virtue_n and_o the_o whole_a dispensation_n and_o art_n ignorant_a of_o nothing_o that_o be_v do_v be_v accurate_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d teach_v all_o these_o thing_n in_o the_o mystery_n and_o so_o the_o place_n make_v more_o against_o then_o for_o he_o the_o same_o answer_n may_v be_v return_v to_o that_o of_o ambrose_n sect._n 12_o that_o the_o same_o flesh_n be_v in_o the_o mystery_n which_o the_o apostle_n worship_v in_o our_o lord_n christ_n spir._n de_fw-fr spir._n 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stephanus_n for_o the_o bishopric_n of_o ephesus_n bassianus_z albeit_o not_o right_o ordain_v keep_v it_o for_o the_o space_n of_o four_o year_n and_o with_o he_o communicate_v flavianus_n this_o be_v urge_v in_o the_o synod_n by_o the_o favourer_n of_o bassianus_n as_o a_o acknowledgement_n make_v by_o flavian_n that_o bassianus_n be_v lawful_a bishop_n this_o argument_n they_o thus_o enforce_v if_o you_o will_v not_o hearken_v to_o our_o reason_n let_v flavianus_n the_o martyr_n entreat_v this_o of_o you_o he_o though_o dead_a judge_v the_o cause_n to_o bassianus_n then_o after_o cecropius_fw-la have_v speak_v in_o his_o behalf_n the_o bishop_n and_o clergy_n of_o constantinople_n stand_v up_o and_o cry_v this_o be_v the_o truth_n viz._n flavianus_n be_v a_o favourer_n of_o bassianus_n etc._n etc._n flavian_n live_v after_o death_n that_o be_v his_o judgement_n and_o his_o memory_n as_o afterward_o flavian_n be_v here_o that_o be_v we_o have_v here_o his_o judgement_n for_o bassianus_n let_v the_o martyr_n entreat_v for_o we_o that_o be_v in_o this_o cause_n of_o bassianus_n let_v he_o entreat_v the_o council_n for_o we_o haec_fw-la vera_fw-la &_o genuina_fw-la verborum_fw-la mens_fw-la est_fw-la cvi_fw-la nisi_fw-la pertinax_fw-la aut_fw-la imperitus_fw-la refragari_fw-la nemo_fw-la potest_fw-la say_v our_o crackanthorp_n nor_o do_v we_o scruple_n to_o say_v with_o austin_n 59_o def._n eec_n ang._n c._n 59_o let_v cyprian_n yea_o let_v mr._n c._n help_v we_o as_o with_o his_o prayer_n only_o let_v he_o remember_v that_o this_o be_v not_o vox_fw-la invocantis_fw-la sed_fw-la optantis_fw-la a_o indication_n of_o our_o willingness_n sect._n 13_o not_o our_o petition_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v so_o chapter_n orat._n in_o 40._o mart._n mr._n c._n p._n 190._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d let_v it_o here_o be_v note_v that_o mr._n c._n can_v scarce_o be_v ignorant_a of_o his_o forgery_n it_o be_v charge_v upon_o they_o by_o the_o bishop_n of_o ely_n and_o forbs_n in_o those_o very_a book_n which_o be_v cite_v by_o he_o in_o this_o chapter_n saint_n basil_n be_v suborn_v to_o say_v whosoever_o be_v in_o any_o pressure_n let_v he_o fly_v to_o the_o assistance_n of_o these_o martyr_n and_o again_o whosoever_o be_v in_o a_o state_n of_o joy_n let_v he_o pray_v to_o they_o the_o former_a that_o he_o may_v be_v deliver_v from_o misery_n the_o late_a that_o he_o may_v be_v preserve_v in_o prosperity_n answer_n here_o we_o have_v a_o double_a corrupt_a of_o the_o text_n a_o artifice_n which_o our_o author_n notwithstanding_o his_o solemn_a protestation_n to_o the_o contrary_n do_v every_o where_o use_n saint_n basil_n say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o do_v fly_v to_o they_o mr._n c._n let_v he_o fly_v saint_n basil_n he_o do_v run_v to_o they_o that_o be_v to_o their_o monument_n mr._n c._n let_v he_o pray_v
to_o they_o and_o then_o saint_n basil_n add_v here_o it_o be_v that_o a_o woman_n pray_v for_o her_o son_n be_v hear_v or_o wish_v a_o safe_a return_n to_o her_o travel_a husband_n wherefore_o together_o with_o these_o martyr_n let_v we_o pour_v forth_o our_o prayer_n immediate_o before_o he_o tell_v the_o people_n they_o have_v often_o seek_v for_o one_o that_o may_v intercede_v to_o god_n for_o they_o here_o say_v he_o be_v forty_o send_v up_o as_o it_o be_v one_o prayer_n and_o if_o where_o two_o or_o three_o be_v gather_v together_o god_n be_v there_o present_a who_o doubt_v his_o presence_n where_o forty_o be_v he_o therefore_o etc._n etc._n from_o whence_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o here_o be_v not_o one_o jota_n that_o bid_v we_o pray_v unto_o they_o but_o when_o it_o be_v say_v he_o that_o be_v under_o any_o pressure_n fly_v unto_o they_o it_o be_v not_o to_o pray_v unto_o they_o but_o because_o they_o be_v esteem_v which_o the_o father_n frequent_o intimate_v to_o pray_v with_o they_o and_o this_o interpretation_n be_v evince_v as_o by_o the_o argument_n that_o we_o shall_v be_v hear_v because_o we_o be_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o forty_o so_o from_o that_o which_o follow_v that_o upon_o this_o account_n it_o be_v that_o the_o wife_n come_v hither_o and_o be_v hear_v and_o the_o testimony_n of_o ruffinus_n will_v reach_v no_o high_o than_o this_o do_v 23._o hist_o ecc._n l._n 2._o c._n 23._o and_o it_o only_o show_v that_o the_o emperor_n come_v to_o the_o monument_n of_o the_o martyr_n that_o so_o he_o may_v more_o assure_o procure_v the_o intercession_n of_o the_o saint_n according_a to_o that_o vulgar_a opinion_n above_o mention_v but_o mr._n c._n will_v never_o be_v able_a from_o this_o intercession_n to_o conclude_v their_o invocation_n unless_o he_o can_v assure_v we_o that_o they_o hear_v we_o and_o show_v we_o a_o command_n to_o pray_v unto_o they_o no_o say_v bishop_n andrews_n they_o will_v intercede_v for_o we_o on_o their_o own_o accord_n not_o be_v call_v upon_o to_o do_v so_o but_o must_v not_o be_v invocate_v by_o we_o so_o to_o do_v saint_n chrysostom_n 66._o sect._n 14_o hom._n ad_fw-la pop_n antioch_n must_v be_v cite_v albeit_o he_o know_v it_o to_o be_v spurious_a perron_n possevin_n apparat_fw-la in_o chrys_n bellar._n de_fw-fr scrip._n eccl._n in_o eundem_fw-la reply_n to_o card._n perron_n and_o his_o own_o party_n do_v confess_v it_o and_o as_o for_o the_o same_o passage_n cite_v from_o the_o 26._o hom._n in_o 2_o cor._n bishop_n andrews_n have_v tell_v he_o that_o it_o smell_v rank_a of_o forgery_n in_o erasmus_n nose_n who_o in_o his_o preface_n before_o his_o latin_a translation_n of_o basil_n and_o amphilooc_n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la sancio_fw-la say_v that_o there_o be_v some_o thing_n there_o which_o must_v own_o he_o for_o their_o parent_n qui_fw-la dulcissimis_fw-la athanasii_fw-la libellis_fw-la de_fw-la spiritu_fw-la sancto_fw-it svas_fw-la loquaces_fw-la sed_fw-la elumbe_n attexit_fw-la noenias_n quique_fw-la in_o epistola_fw-la ad_fw-la corinthios_n posteriore_fw-la &_o in_o act_v apostolerum_fw-la chrysostomus_n haberi_fw-la studuit_fw-la and_o second_o that_o this_o passage_n be_v not_o extant_a in_o the_o latin_a edition_n by_o stelsius_fw-la at_o antwerp_n 1556._o set_v forth_o by_o johannes_n affinius_n so_o that_o all_o copy_n have_v it_o not_o yea_o further_o that_o this_o place_n be_v find_v in_o garetius_n 69._o p._n 69._o de_fw-fr invocatione_n sanctorum_fw-la cite_v under_o the_o name_n of_o theodorus_n daphnopatus_n who_o thence_o the_o reverend_a bishop_n well_o conclude_v to_o have_v be_v the_o author_n of_o it_o and_o yet_o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v spurious_a we_o can_v have_v tell_v you_o that_o it_o be_v thus_o to_o be_v interpret_v the_o emperor_n who_o be_v clothe_v with_o purple_a make_v a_o journey_n to_o visit_v these_o sepulcher_n of_o saint_n peter_n and_o saint_n paul_n and_o lay_v aside_o his_o pomp_n stand_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 113._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d consid_fw-la modest_a p._n 113._o want_v the_o saint_n to_o go_v before_o he_o in_o their_o prayer_n to_o god_n or_o intercede_v for_o he_o he_o who_o temple_n be_v encompass_v with_o a_o diadem_n want_v for_o his_o protection_n even_o the_o tent_n maker_n and_o fisherman_n though_o dead_a bishop_n forbs_n i_o acknowledge_v quarrel_n with_o this_o interpretation_n but_o he_o have_v nothing_o at_o all_o confute_v it_o as_o will_v appear_v to_o a_o unprejudiced_a eye_n yea_o last_o in_o saint_n chrysostome_n rhetorical_a stile_n he_o may_v very_o well_o be_v say_v to_o desire_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n because_o he_o go_v to_o those_o place_n where_o the_o assistance_n of_o their_o prayer_n according_a to_o the_o vulgar_a opinion_n then_o on_o foot_n be_v especial_o to_o be_v have_v as_o to_o that_o of_o saint_n ambrose_n sect._n 15_o martyr_n be_v to_o be_v entreat_v off_o de_fw-fr viduis_fw-la l._n 1._o the_o off_o and_o let_v we_o not_o be_v 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send_v to_o vossius_fw-la and_o forbs_n who_o consider_v some_o other_o passage_n but_o gentle_o slide_v over_o this_o convince_a evidence_n without_o the_o least_o notice_n take_v of_o it_o but_o because_o he_o send_v we_o to_o forbs_n let_v he_o hear_v he_o give_v we_o this_o rule_n 5._o l._n 7._o c._n 5._o when_o one_o and_o the_o same_o writer_n seem_v to_o speak_v contradiction_n let_v it_o be_v consider_v where_o he_o profess_o state_v the_o question_n and_o confirm_v his_o sentence_n by_o the_o suffrage_n of_o scripture_n and_o reason_n confute_v disert_o the_o opposite_a opinion_n and_o where_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o same_o thing_n as_o it_o be_v aliud_fw-la agens_fw-la by_o the_o by_o without_o such_o confirmation_n from_o the_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n and_o reason_n and_o confutation_n of_o the_o opposite_a opinion_n such_o thing_n as_o do_v not_o well_o consist_v therewith_o and_o in_o this_o case_n that_o which_o he_o teach_v in_o the_o former_a manner_n must_v be_v esteem_v to_o be_v his_o doctrine_n 1._o l._n 3._o c._n 12._o c._n 1._o thus_o say_v he_o â—aint_n ambrose_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la sancto_fw-la and_o de_fw-fr fide_fw-la teach_v that_o god_n alone_o be_v to_o be_v worship_v not_o the_o virgin_n mary_n or_o any_o creature_n this_o he_o confirm_v ex_fw-la professo_fw-la by_o the_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n and_o manifest_a reason_n and_o yet_o in_o his_o dook_n de_fw-fr viduis_fw-la he_o deliver_v a_o doctrine_n which_o be_v plain_o otherwise_o but_o than_o it_o be_v not_o operose_fw-la confirmata_fw-la industrious_o confirm_v and_o therefore_o we_o must_v estimate_v saint_n ambrose_n his_o judgement_n from_o the_o former_a place_n to_o which_o we_o add_v that_o as_o he_o grow_v elder_a he_o grow_v wise_a theod._n ambros_n de_fw-fr obitu_fw-la theod._n for_o afterward_o he_o have_v learn_v to_o say_v thou_o o_o lord_n only_o be_v to_o be_v invocate_v second_o this_o may_v be_v interpret_v to_o be_v the_o obsecration_n of_o deed_n rather_o than_o word_n for_o there_o he_o teach_v the_o widow_n plead_v she_o be_v weak_a and_o without_o help_n to_o make_v the_o apostle_n her_o friend_n and_o neighbour_n to_o procure_v her_o help_n as_o peter_n and_o andrew_n entreat_v our_o saviour_n to_o cure_v peter_n wife_n mother_n now_o the_o way_n say_v he_o to_o make_v they_o so_o to_o she_o be_v to_o draw_v near_o to_o they_o in_o the_o fellowship_n or_o likeness_n of_o piety_n and_o do_v good_a for_o it_o be_v not_o the_o relation_n of_o blood_n but_o the_o kindred_n of_o virtue_n that_o make_v the_o martyr_n our_o friend_n and_o neighbour_n sect._n 16_o to_o that_o place_n of_o austin_n cloak_n ad_fw-la viginti_fw-la martyr_n etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la vestiretur_fw-la oravit_fw-la further_o let_v lt_n be_v consider_v that_o here_o we_o have_v no_o better_a precedent_n than_o a_o tailor_n and_o that_o so_o simple_a as_o to_o bargain_n with_o the_o martyr_n
the_o priest_n as_o by_o the_o people_n as_o well_o at_o mass_n as_o at_o matin_n as_o well_o at_o the_o altar_n as_o in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n indeed_o you_o tell_v we_o it_o may_v have_v be_v lawful_a if_o the_o church_n have_v so_o order_v it_o but_o do_v you_o think_v s._n austin_n will_v have_v say_v so_o too_o be_v it_o not_o his_o business_n to_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o honour_n which_o be_v give_v to_o the_o martyr_n by_o the_o christian_n and_o by_o the_o gentile_n to_o the_o daemon_n and_o have_v say_v that_o they_o erect_v no_o altar_n to_o they_o as_o the_o heathen_n do_v for_o sacrifice_v but_o sacrifice_v to_o god_n alone_o he_o add_v that_o at_o this_o sacrifice_n the_o martyr_n be_v not_o invocate_v as_o the_o gentile_a daemon_n be_v but_o only_o nominate_v now_o what_o be_v it_o to_o his_o purpose_n to_o tell_v we_o they_o be_v not_o invocate_v at_o the_o altar_n if_o they_o be_v invocate_v elsewhere_o well_o then_o your_o last_o refuge_n be_v the_o invocation_n of_o latria_n which_o saint_n austin_n must_v be_v think_v to_o speak_v of_o 21._o c._n 21._o because_o he_o tell_v we_o in_o his_o twenty_o book_n against_o faustus_n manichaeus_n that_o they_o do_v not_o worship_v the_o saint_n with_o latria_n ans_fw-fr but_o who_o tell_v you_o that_o invocation_n of_o they_o be_v not_o esteem_v latria_n by_o he_o why_o else_o do_v he_o say_v that_o the_o saint_n be_v not_o worship_v sicut_fw-la dii_o as_o the_o heathen_a god_n and_o then_o after_o this_o non_fw-la invocantur_fw-la second_o do_v he_o not_o say_v non_fw-fr invocantur_fw-la sed_fw-la nominantur_fw-la now_o i_o hope_v your_o invocation_n be_v not_o nomination_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v somewhat_o above_o it_o and_o consequent_o somewhat_o comprehend_v in_o that_o which_o he_o oppose_v to_o it_o so_o likewise_o in_o the_o place_n you_o cite_v he_o tell_v we_o they_o afford_v that_o cultum_fw-la dilectionis_fw-la and_o such_o as_o be_v give_v to_o holy_a man_n that_o be_v 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superstition_n and_o plead_v the_o cause_n of_o christ_n against_o they_o but_o i_o shall_v wave_v it_o at_o present_a and_o content_v myself_o with_o evidence_v the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o antiquity_n to_o run_v contrary_a to_o they_o and_o 1._o sect._n 19_o it_o be_v a_o strong_a presumption_n that_o this_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v not_o so_o pious_a so_o profitable_a as_o the_o trent_n council_n do_v imagine_v in_o that_o we_o find_v neither_o precept_n nor_o example_n of_o all_o the_o father_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n whereby_o this_o kind_n of_o service_n to_o they_o may_v be_v warrant_v to_o this_o the_o usual_a answer_n of_o the_o papist_n be_v ante_fw-la vid._n bellar._n praefat_fw-la in_o controver_n de_fw-fr eccles_n triumph_v ante_fw-la that_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o patriarch_n and_o prophet_n and_o other_o worthy_n who_o flourish_v under_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v keep_v in_o limbus_fw-la patrum_fw-la a_o place_n nigh_o to_o hell_n appoint_v for_o these_o father_n to_o be_v retain_v in_o till_o the_o descent_n of_o our_o bless_a saviour_n thither_o but_o this_o answer_n be_v evident_o ground_v upon_o a_o false_a foundation_n it_o be_v clear_a from_o scripture_n that_o they_o be_v not_o include_v in_o such_o a_o place_n but_o do_v enjoy_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n luk._n 13_o 28._o for_o abraham_n bosom_n be_v clear_o propound_v as_o the_o place_n into_o which_o the_o bless_a angel_n before_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n convey_v the_o soul_n of_o those_o which_o depart_v in_o the_o favour_n of_o god_n 16._o luke_n 16._o and_o that_o this_o bosom_n be_v virtual_o and_o in_o term_n equivalent_a down_o cap._n 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d shall_v lie_v down_o promise_v to_o those_o which_o afterward_o shall_v believe_v be_v sufficient_o evince_v from_o that_o place_n of_o saint_n matthew_n many_o shall_v come_v from_o the_o east_n and_o west_n and_o shall_v sit_v down_o with_o abraham_n isaac_n and_o jacob_n in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n for_o the_o joy_n of_o heaven_n be_v liken_v to_o a_o feast_n in_o which_o according_a to_o the_o custom_n then_o in_o use_n they_o lie_v down_o with_o the_o head_n of_o one_o towards_o the_o breast_n of_o another_o who_o be_v therefore_o say_v to_o lie_v in_o his_o bosom_n and_o therefore_o when_o it_o be_v say_v of_o the_o faithful_a that_o believe_v after_o christ_n death_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d they_o shall_v lie_v down_o at_o this_o feast_n with_o abraham_n it_o be_v as_o much_o as_o if_o he_o have_v say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o euthymius_n paraphrase_v it_o that_o be_v they_o shall_v lie_v down_o in_o the_o bosom_n of_o abraham_n add_v to_o this_o that_o when_o god_n translate_v enoch_n and_o elias_n be_v carry_v up_o in_o a_o chariot_n to_o heaven_n they_o can_v not_o be_v convey_v to_o this_o limbus_fw-la patrum_fw-la a_o place_n so_o nigh_o to_o the_o receptacle_n of_o the_o damn_a spirit_n yea_o it_o be_v not_o likely_a they_o 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