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dulia_n due_a unto_o your_o image_n if_o latria_fw-la then_o again_o according_a to_o your_o own_o principle_n they_o be_v the_o gross_a of_o idolater_n second_o the_o idolatry_n of_o achaz_n be_v thus_o describe_v that_o he_o make_v high_a place_n wherein_o to_o burn_v incense_n unto_o other_o god_n and_o likewise_o the_o idolatry_n of_o israel_n this_o burn_a incense_n be_v therefore_o idolatry_n 23._o jer._n 44.21_o 23._o because_o the_o nature_n of_o idolatry_n agree_v to_o it_o which_o be_v to_o give_v the_o honour_n due_a unto_o god_n unto_o another_o thing_n and_o therefore_o see_v this_o be_v do_v by_o burn_a incense_n to_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n that_o also_o must_v be_v idolatry_n for_o to_o say_v that_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o make_v a_o act_n idolatrous_a that_o it_o attribute_n the_o honour_n due_a to_o god_n unto_o another_o thing_n unless_o it_o be_v a_o idol_n be_v very_o false_a for_o then_o the_o offering_n of_o sacrifice_n to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n will_v not_o be_v idolatry_n the_o give_v it_o latria_fw-la terminate_v thereon_o will_v not_o be_v so_o the_o arrian_n can_v not_o have_v be_v accuse_v of_o idolatry_n in_o worship_v our_o saviour_n with_o divine_a honour_n and_o yet_o esteem_v he_o to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o collyridians_n in_o worship_v the_o virgin_n mary_n the_o carpocratian_o in_o worship_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o a_o 1000_o other_o thing_n 2._o this_o major_n may_v be_v far_o confirm_v thus_o to_o offer_v sacrifice_n be_v idolatry_n by_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o 10._o the_o madge_n send_v l._n 3._o do_v 9_o bell._n li._n de_fw-fr eccles_n triumph_n c._n 12._o see_v exod._n 22._o he_o that_o effers_fw-la sacrisice_n to_o any_o but_o god_n alone_o shall_v be_v cut_v off_o and_o act._n 7._o the_o israelite_n be_v say_v to_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o the_o calf_n and_o then_o present_o be_v call_v idolater_n ste_n 1_o cor._n 10._o papist_n themselves_o but_o to_o offer_v incense_n to_o a_o image_n or_o any_o other_o thing_n be_v to_o offer_v sacrifice_n thus_o tertull._n apol._n c._n 30._o offero_fw-la majorem_fw-la hostiam_fw-la quam_fw-la ipse_fw-la mandavit_fw-la non_fw-la grana_fw-la thuris_fw-la so_o that_o according_a to_o he_o incense_n must_v be_v a_o sacrifice_n and_o gyprian_a de_fw-la lapsis_fw-la speak_v of_o those_o that_o present_o go_v to_o offer_v incense_n they_o will_v not_o stay_v say_v he_o to_o be_v apprehend_v nor_o do_v they_o leave_v this_o to_o themselves_o ut_fw-la sacrificare_fw-la idolis_fw-la inviti_fw-la viderentur_fw-la saint_n basil_n tell_v we_o in_o his_o oration_n on_o barlaam_n the_o martyr_n that_o they_o bring_v he_o to_o the_o altar_n and_o put_v incense_n into_o his_o hand_n that_o so_o by_o cast_v it_o out_o he_o may_v seem_v to_o offer_v sacrifice_n and_o this_o he_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d thus_o libaminis_fw-la thus_o lib._n de_fw-fr poenit_fw-la c._n 14._o p._n 512._o tom._n primi_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d male_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d lat._n ver_fw-la pro_fw-la more_fw-it daemoniaci_fw-la libaminis_fw-la peter_n bishop_n of_o alexandria_n as_o we_o have_v it_o in_o balsamon_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o hand_n of_o many_o be_v bring_v unwilling_o to_o offer_v prophanum_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la that_o be_v as_o balsamon_n have_v it_o coacti_fw-la sunt_fw-la thus_o immolare_fw-la yea_o saint_n austin_n c._n 16._o de_fw-la unico_fw-la baptismo_fw-la have_v say_v that_o petilian_a accuse_a melchiade_n the_o thurificatione_n of_o offer_v incense_n he_o add_v that_o have_v it_o be_v true_a he_o may_v have_v be_v excuse_v as_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o plead_v his_o cause_n coram_fw-la homine_fw-la sacrificijs_fw-la idolorum_fw-la inquinato_fw-la it_o may_v be_v answer_v that_o to_o offer_v animate_v or_o live_a sacrifice_n be_v idolatry_n but_o as_o for_o inanimate_a sacrifice_n they_o may_v be_v give_v to_o a_o creature_n rep._n now_o not_o to_o mention_v how_o arbitrary_a this_o distinction_n be_v the_o father_n frequent_o teach_v this_o offering_n of_o inanimate_a sacrifice_n to_o be_v idolatry_n thus_o epiphanius_n condemn_v the_o collyridians_n for_o offering_n cake_n to_o the_o bless_a virgin_n which_o yet_o be_v inanimate_a sacrifice_n 97._o ep._n au_o 〈◊〉_d num_fw-la l._n 10._o ep._n 97._o so_o pliny_n tell_v the_o emperor_n that_o some_o worship_n his_o image_n with_o incense_n and_o wine_n which_o they_o that_o be_v true_a christian_n can_v be_v compel_v to_o do_v albeit_o it_o be_v the_o image_n of_o he_o who_o be_v himself_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o count_v that_o homage_n due_a to_o god_n alone_o now_o this_o refusal_n tertullian_n call_v obstinationem_fw-la non_fw-la sacrificandi_fw-la the_o only_a fault_n say_v he_o with_o which_o the_o christian_n stand_v charge_v by_o pliny_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o emperor_n yea_o the_o carpocratian_o be_v condemn_v as_o heretic_n for_o offer_v incense_n to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n among_o other_o thing_n 24._o l._n 1._o c._n 24._o as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o irenaeus_n observationem_fw-la circa_fw-la case_z similiter_fw-la ut_fw-la gentes_fw-la faciunt_fw-la they_o observe_v the_o rite_n of_o the_o gentile_n towards_o they_o what_o be_v they_o saint_n austin_n tell_v we_o 7._o l._n de_fw-fr haer._n c._n 7._o they_o do_v it_o adorando_fw-la incensumque_fw-la ponendo_fw-la eye_n thura_fw-la adolebant_fw-la ac_fw-la libahant_n say_v theodoret_n fab_n l._n de_fw-fr haer._n fab_n and_o this_o as_o he_o condemn_v in_o the_o israelite_n who_o worship_v the_o brazen_a serpent_n of_o idolatry_n call_v they_o ophitae_n worshipper_n of_o a_o serpent_n reg_n qu._n 18._o in_o 4._o reg_n so_o here_o he_o add_v &_o tanquam_fw-la deos_fw-la adorabant_fw-la not_o that_o they_o do_v it_o by_o any_o other_o sacrifice_n of_o which_o we_o have_v no_o mention_n make_v but_o that_o the_o perform_n of_o these_o ceremony_n be_v a_o evidence_n thereof_o this_o be_v worship_n proper_a to_o a_o deity_n 27._o haer._n 27._o and_o epiphanius_n tell_v we_o that_o with_o the_o image_n of_o the_o philosopher_n imagine_v jesus_n collocant_fw-la they_o place_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o worship_v they_o and_o perform_v the_o rite_n of_o the_o gentile_n to_o they_o or_o heathenish_a rite_n and_o then_o present_o he_o add_v 335._o gentium_fw-la myfleria_n persiciunt_fw-la tom._n 2._o l._n 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d cap._n nunc_fw-la autem_fw-la distinct_a 2._o p._n 334_o 335._o what_o be_v the_o rite_n of_o the_o gentile_n but_o sacrificium_fw-la &_o alia_fw-la now_o what_o he_o mean_v by_o sacrifice_n he_o tell_v we_o in_o his_o epit._n viz._n to_o offer_v incense_n yea_o bellarmine_n inform_v we_o that_o marcellinus_n sacrifice_v to_o idol_n and_o prove_v it_o from_o the_o pontifical_a of_o damasus_n the_o epistle_n of_o nicholaus_fw-la the_o first_o to_o michael_n but_o the_o 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