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A19950 A letter vvritten from Paris, by the Lord Cardinall of Peron, to Monsr. Casaubon in England. Translated out of the French corrected copie, into English.; Lettre de Monseigneur l'illustriss. card. Du Perron. English Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618.; Owen, Thomas, 1557-1618.; Casaubon, Isaac, 1559-1614. 1612 (1612) STC 6383; ESTC S122259 15,517 56

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