Selected quad for the lemma: saint_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
saint_n	church_n	image_n	invocation_n	1,631	5	10.7407	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A25225	The additional articles in Pope Pius's creed, no articles of the Christian faith being an answer to a late pamphlet intituled, Pope Pius his profession of faith vindicated from novelty in additional articles, and the prospect of popery, taken from that authentick record, with short notes thereupon, defended.	Altham, Michael, 1633-1705.; Altham, Michael, 1633-1705. Creed of Pope Pius IV, or, A prospect of popery taken from that authentick record.	1688 (1688)	Wing A2931; ESTC R18073	87,445	96

honour_n that_o we_o can_v do_v they_o but_o that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v invocate_v call_v upon_o or_o pray_v unto_o we_o can_v consent_v because_o we_o have_v no_o warrant_n for_o it_o either_o in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o any_o good_a antiquity_n whether_o they_o do_v offer_v prayer_n to_o god_n for_o we_o as_o it_o be_v not_o very_o certain_a so_o be_v it_o not_o any_o part_n of_o the_o question_n between_o we_o nor_o if_o it_o be_v grant_v will_v it_o warrant_v our_o pray_n to_o they_o as_o for_o their_o relic_n those_o that_o be_v true_o such_o viz._n their_o sepulcher_n their_o memory_n their_o write_n and_o their_o good_a example_n we_o have_v a_o great_a veneration_n for_o they_o and_o do_v think_v that_o they_o ought_v not_o only_o not_o to_o be_v expose_v to_o any_o contempt_n or_o disgrace_n but_o that_o a_o very_a great_a respect_n and_o regard_n ought_v to_o be_v pay_v they_o but_o that_o all_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n tell_v we_o be_v the_o relic_n of_o saint_n be_v real_o such_o we_o can_v agree_v nor_o can_v we_o go_v along_o with_o they_o in_o pay_v they_o that_o veneration_n which_o they_o do_v we_o can_v repose_v any_o confidence_n in_o they_o nor_o expect_v any_o help_n or_o assistance_n from_o they_o nor_o hope_v to_o have_v our_o prayer_n hear_v in_o this_o place_n rather_o than_o in_o another_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o some_o relic_n be_v there_o as_o for_o their_o image_n and_o the_o honour_n and_o veneration_n due_a to_o they_o it_o have_v be_v well_o if_o either_o pope_n pius_n or_o his_o vindicator_n have_v think_v fit_a to_o explain_v themselves_o and_o tell_v we_o what_o kind_n of_o honour_n and_o veneration_n they_o mean._n the_o vindicator_n indeed_o say_v that_o they_o be_v thing_n relate_v to_o god_n it_o must_v be_v another_o kind_n of_o regard_n honour_n and_o veneration_n than_o be_v usual_o give_v to_o profane_a thing_n but_o whether_o this_o be_v or_o aught_o to_o be_v call_v a_o religious_a honour_n be_v matter_n of_o dispute_n but_o no_o matter_n of_o his_o faith._n and_o that_o as_o for_o the_o manner_n or_o external_a profession_n of_o it_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v measure_v from_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o church_n so_o that_o we_o be_v still_o as_o far_o to_o seek_v for_o the_o meaning_n of_o it_o as_o before_z now_o where_o can_v we_o hope_v to_o find_v what_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o church_n be_v unless_o it_o be_v in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o its_o catechism_n out_o of_o which_o pope_n pius_n extract_v these_o new_a article_n it_o may_v not_o be_v amiss_o therefore_o before_o we_o proceed_v any_o further_a to_o see_v what_o that_o council_n have_v determine_v in_o these_o two_o point_n viz._n the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n which_o be_v the_o two_o thing_n promote_v in_o these_o two_o article_n and_o which_o this_o gentleman_n have_v here_o undertake_v to_o vindicate_v from_o novelty_n i._o touch_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n the_o council_n have_v define_v that_o the_o saint_n reign_v with_o christ_n do_v offer_v their_o prayer_n unto_o god_n for_o we_o but_o be_v this_o all_o no_o it_o far_o declare_v etc._n council_n trident._n sess_n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocatione_n etc._n etc._n that_o it_o be_v a_o good_a and_o profitable_a thing_n for_o we_o in_o a_o humble_a manner_n to_o pray_v unto_o they_o but_o be_v this_o all_o yet_o no_o we_o must_v have_v recourse_n to_o their_o prayer_n aid_n and_o assistance_n nor_o be_v this_o all_o for_o the_o body_n of_o holy_a martyr_n and_o other_o now_o live_v with_o christ_n which_o have_v be_v the_o live_a member_n of_o christ_n and_o temple_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n veneranda_fw-la sunt_fw-la be_v to_o be_v worship_v or_o have_v in_o veneration_n and_o it_o express_o damn_v all_o those_o who_o teach_v that_o veneration_n and_o honour_n be_v not_o due_a to_o the_o relic_n of_o the_o saint_n or_o that_o it_o be_v not_o profitable_a to_o honour_v these_o relic_n and_o other_o sacred_a monument_n of_o the_o saint_n or_o that_o it_o be_v in_o vain_a to_o frequent_v the_o memory_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o that_o eorum_fw-la opis_fw-la impetrandae_fw-la causâ_fw-la to_o obtain_v their_o help_n and_o assistance_n thus_o far_o the_o council_n which_o be_v second_v by_o the_o catechism_n which_o say_v we_o pray_v to_o god_n either_o to_o give_v we_o good_a thing_n orandus_fw-la catech._n ad_fw-la parochos_fw-la part_v 4._o tit._n quis_fw-la sit_fw-la orandus_fw-la or_o to_o deliver_v we_o from_o evil_a but_o because_o the_o saint_n be_v more_o acceptable_a to_o he_o than_o we_o be_v we_o beg_v of_o they_o to_o undertake_v our_o cause_n and_o to_o obtain_v for_o we_o those_o thing_n we_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o from_o whence_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o we_o use_v two_o very_a different_a form_n of_o prayer_n for_o to_o god_n the_o proper_a manner_n of_o speak_v be_v have_v pity_n on_o we_o hear_v our_o prayer_n whereas_o we_o only_o desire_v the_o saint_n to_o pray_v for_o we_o but_o than_o it_o follow_v though_o it_o be_v lawful_a on_o another_o account_n to_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n that_o they_o will_v have_v pity_n on_o we_o for_o they_o be_v mighty_a merciful_a and_o in_o another_o place_n it_o say_v invocandi_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n they_o be_v to_o be_v pray_v unto_o because_o they_o be_v continual_o in_o god_n presence_n and_o most_o willing_o take_v upon_o they_o patrocinium_fw-la salutis_fw-la nostrae_fw-la the_o patronage_n of_o our_o health_n and_o safety_n which_o be_v commit_v to_o their_o care_n ii_o concern_v the_o worship_n of_o image_n that_o council_n have_v also_o define_v that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n of_o the_o virgin-mother_n of_o god_n and_o of_o other_o saint_n etc._n sess_n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocatione_n etc._n etc._n be_v to_o be_v have_v and_o retain_v in_o church_n but_o be_v this_o all_o no_o all_o due_a honour_n and_o veneration_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o they_o and_o how_o be_v this_o to_o be_v give_v by_o kiss_v those_o image_n uncover_v the_o head_n and_o prostrate_v ourselves_o before_o they_o and_o be_v all_o this_o for_o no_o other_o end_n but_o only_o to_o excite_v in_o we_o the_o remembrance_n of_o those_o they_o represent_v certain_o the_o council_n intend_v something_o more_o for_o it_o build_v this_o definition_n upon_o the_o second_o council_n of_o nice_a sanct._n council_n nicaen_fw-la 2._o action_n 3_o 4_o &_o 6._o catech._n ad_fw-la parochos_fw-la part_n 3._o de_fw-fr cultu_fw-la &_o invocat_n sanct._n in_o which_o it_o be_v ordain_v that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n mary_n and_o of_o the_o saint_n shall_v not_o only_o be_v receive_v into_o place_n of_o adoration_n but_o also_o shall_v be_v adore_v and_o worship_v and_o so_o the_o catechism_n explain_v it_o for_o we_o be_v there_o tell_v that_o to_o make_v and_o honour_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n the_o lord_n of_o his_o most_o holy_a and_o immaculate_a mother_n and_o of_o other_o saint_n be_v a_o holy_a and_o most_o certain_a argument_n of_o a_o grateful_a mind_n but_o be_v this_o all_o no._n it_o be_v not_o only_o lawful_a to_o have_v image_n in_o church_n and_o to_o give_v honour_n and_o worship_n to_o they_o provide_v that_o honour_n which_o be_v give_v to_o they_o be_v refer_v to_o their_o prototype_n but_o also_o it_o be_v for_o the_o great_a good_a and_o benefit_n of_o the_o faithful_a so_o to_o do_v but_o be_v this_o all_o yet_o no._n the_o image_n of_o saint_n be_v place_v in_o temple_n ut_fw-la colantur_fw-la that_o they_o may_v be_v worship_v this_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o these_o two_o article_n as_o it_o be_v deliver_v by_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o the_o catechism_n ad_fw-la parochos_fw-la out_o of_o which_o these_o and_o the_o other_o new_a article_n be_v collect_v by_o pope_n pius_n iu._n which_o doctrine_n we_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n comply_v 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and_o comprehensive_a that_o there_o be_v no_o room_n leave_v for_o evasion_n for_o 1._o it_o forbid_v all_o external_a act_n of_o adoration_n as_o bow_v down_o to_o they_o or_o before_o they_o 2._o it_o do_v not_o only_o forbid_v the_o worship_n of_o image_n as_o god_n but_o as_o image_n and_o representative_a object_n 3._o it_o do_v not_o only_o forbid_v the_o worship_n of_o the_o image_n of_o heathen_a god_n but_o of_o the_o lord_n jehovah_n but_o all_o this_o notwithstanding_o the_o vindicator_n think_v he_o have_v find_v out_o both_o scripture_n and_o antiquity_n wherewith_o to_o defend_v both_o these_o article_n for_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n he_o allege_v gen._n xlviij_o v._o 16._o where_o jacob_n blessing_n joseph_n two_o son_n say_v the_o angel_n that_o deliver_v i_o from_o all_o evil_a bless_v the_o lad_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o by_o angel_n here_o be_v general_o understand_v the_o angel_n of_o the_o covenant_n viz._n christ_n the_o son_n of_o god._n but_o if_o we_o shall_v grant_v he_o that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o a_o ordinary_a angel_n yet_o can_v he_o not_o thereupon_o avail_v himself_o any_o thing_n in_o this_o case_n for_o god_n be_v please_v often_o to_o make_v use_n of_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n in_o send_v succour_n and_o relief_n to_o good_a man_n jacob_n pray_v not_o unto_o the_o angel_n but_o to_o god_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o 15_o verse_n that_o he_o will_v appoint_v the_o same_o bless_a angel_n that_o administer_v unto_o he_o in_o all_o his_o strait_n to_o be_v the_o instrument_n of_o his_o good_a providence_n to_o those_o two_o son_n of_o joseph_n who_o he_o have_v now_o make_v his_o own_o and_o cause_v they_o to_o be_v call_v after_o his_o name_n he_o allege_v also_o rev._n i_o 4._o rev._n v._n 8._o and_o rev._n viij_o 9_o the_o first_o of_o these_o text_n be_v nothing_o to_o his_o purpose_n for_o the_o most_o that_o can_v be_v make_v of_o it_o be_v only_o this_o john_n pray_v that_o god_n will_v 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