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A35667 Truth outweighing error, or, An ansvver to a treatise lately published by J.B. entituled, A confession of his faith and a reason of his practice, or, With who he can, and with who he cannot hold church-fellowship ... by John Denne ... J. D. (John Denne) 1673 (1673) Wing D1027; ESTC R11873 57,462 128

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circumstance_n or_o substance_n which_o be_v apparent_o false_a god_n be_v hereby_o make_v the_o author_n of_o sin_n for_o in_o this_o reason_n he_o urge_v that_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o bear_v with_o the_o sinful_a infirmity_n of_o their_o brethren_n for_o those_o he_o say_v be_v cause_v for_o want_n of_o light_n and_o how_o come_v they_o to_o want_v light_n he_o tell_v you_o pag._n 94._o it_o be_v god_n that_o create_v light_a and_o he_o that_o withholdeth_a so_o that_o god_n not_o create_v light_n in_o their_o heart_n cause_v they_o to_o err_v and_o to_o be_v guilty_a of_o sinful_a infirmity_n be_v not_o here_o verify_v what_o be_v write_v god_n shall_v send_v they_o strong_a delusion_n to_o believe_v a_o lie_n be_v not_o this_o according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o that_o idle_a servant_n matth._n 25.24_o who_o say_v of_o god_n he_o know_v he_o to_o be_v a_o hard_a man_n reap_v where_o thou_o have_v not_o sow_o and_o gather_v where_o thou_o have_v not_o straw_v so_o say_v john_n bunyan_n who_o without_o repentance_n may_v expect_v the_o like_a sentence_n reas_n 5._o i_o come_v now_o to_o his_o 5_o reason_n p._n 104._o because_o a_o failer_z in_o such_o a_o circumstance_n as_o water_n do_v not_o unchristian_a we_o this_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v not_o only_o from_o what_o be_v say_v before_o but_o for_o that_o thousand_o of_o thousand_o that_o can_v not_o consent_v thereto_o be_v now_o with_o the_o innumerable_a company_n of_o angel_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o what_o be_v say_v of_o eat_v or_o the_o contrary_a may_v as_o to_o this_o be_v say_v of_o water-baptism_n neither_o if_o i_o be_o baptize_v be_o i_o the_o better_a neither_o if_o i_o be_v not_o be_o i_o the_o worse_o not_o the_o better_a before_o god_n nor_o the_o worse_o before_o man_n whereupon_o after_o some_o plausible_a word_n he_o conclude_v pag._n 106._o see_v the_o thing_n wherein_o we_o exceed_v each_o other_o be_v such_o as_o neither_o make_v nor_o mar_v christianity_n let_v we_o love_v one_o another_o and_o walk_v together_o according_a to_o the_o glorious_a rule_n above_o specify_v mean_v to_o have_v church-communion_n with_o unbaptised_a person_n answ_n to_o love_v one_o another_o i_o shall_v ready_o consent_v for_o we_o ought_v to_o love_v all_o man_n but_o for_o church-communion_n i_o can_v until_o i_o see_v it_o prove_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o do_v so_o which_o i_o be_o sure_a john_n bunyan_n have_v not_o for_o he_o have_v not_o yet_o prove_v it_o lawful_a much_o less_o expedient_a but_o further_a from_o be_v necessary_a which_o he_o pretend_v and_o sure_o this_o reason_n can_v sway_v a_o wise_a man_n to_o do_v that_o which_o be_v not_o prove_v lawful_a i_o say_v this_o reason_n which_o be_v ground_v upon_o a_o false_a position_n for_o although_o baptism_n do_v not_o make_v a_o christian_n yet_o the_o want_n of_o it_o may_v mar_v a_o christian_n and_o the_o neglect_n thereof_o unchristian_a man_n for_o he_o that_o despise_v god_n although_o once_o honour_v shall_v be_v light_o esteem_v 1_o sam._n 2.30_o a_o good_a conscience_n may_v be_v put_v away_o 1_o tim._n 1.19_o that_o there_o may_v be_v need_n of_o the_o formation_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o heart_n again_o gal._n 4.19_o john_n bunyan_n instance_n of_o the_o thousand_o thousand_o that_o do_v not_o consent_v to_o baptism_n which_o be_v now_o as_o he_o say_v in_o heaven_n be_v no_o sufficient_a proof_n that_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v or_o that_o it_o may_v be_v despise_v now_o i_o suppose_v he_o will_v confess_v there_o be_v thousand_o thousand_o as_o much_o in_o heaven_n as_o they_o who_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o christ_n be_v then_o come_v in_o the_o flesh_n but_o he_o that_o deni_v it_o now_o be_v antichrist_n 1_o joh._n 4.3_o and_o notwithstanding_o john_n bunyan_n confidence_n if_o he_o shall_v now_o deny_v christ_n come_v in_o the_o flesh_n it_o will_v unchristian_a he_o i_o may_v give_v many_o more_o instance_n in_o this_o case_n but_o from_o hence_o you_o may_v perceive_v how_o inconsiderate_a he_o be_v to_o conclude_v that_o of_o baptism_n from_o false_a ground_n which_o paul_n speak_v of_o eat_v meat_n which_o be_v lawful_a to_o be_v eat_v or_o not_o eat_v will_v any_o wise_a man_n oppose_v such_o indifferent_a thing_n to_o a_o ordinance_n and_o institution_n of_o christ_n jesus_n sure_o obedience_n to_o express_v command_n whatsoever_o we_o be_v before_o man_n make_v we_o better_o before_o god_n reas_n 6._o i_o come_v now_o to_o his_o 6_o reason_n p._n 107._o i_o be_o therefore_o for_o hold_v communion_n thus_o because_o the_o edification_n of_o soul_n in_o the_o faith_n and_o holiness_n of_o the_o gospel_n be_v of_o great_a concernment_n than_o our_o agree_n in_o or_o contest_v for_o the_o business_n of_o water-baptism_n that_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v of_o the_o great_a concern_v be_v out_o of_o measure_n evident_a etc._n etc._n answ_n john_n bunyan_n position_n here_o state_v he_o endeavour_v by_o divers_a reason_n to_o prove_v viz._n that_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v of_o the_o great_a concern_v which_o i_o here_o omit_v because_o whilst_o he_o endeavour_v to_o prove_v that_o he_o mistake_v the_o matter_n in_o question_n for_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o baptism_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o christ_n ordinance_n be_v the_o mean_v appoint_v for_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n and_o if_o so_o the_o argument_n be_v fallacious_a and_o must_v fall_v which_o sure_o he_o be_v himself_o conscious_a of_o and_o therefore_o to_o prevent_v it_o he_o say_v pag._n 109._o know_v that_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n depend_v not_o upon_o neither_o be_v tie_v to_o this_o or_o that_o circumstance_n much_o say_v but_o little_o prove_v wherefore_o in_o short_a i_o may_v answer_v you_o have_v only_o j._n bunyan_n word_n for_o it_o who_o herein_o do_v not_o only_o exclude_v baptism_n but_o also_o whatsoever_o he_o be_v please_v to_o call_v a_o circumstance_n whereof_o the_o supper_n 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will_v have_v the_o church_n to_o be_v like_o simeon_n and_o levi_n brethren_n agree_v in_o iniquity_n to_o bear_v with_o sin_n and_o to_o wink_v at_o the_o transgression_n of_o christ_n ordinance_n rather_o than_o to_o disagree_v thereupon_o contrary_a to_o the_o advice_n of_o the_o apostle_n who_o as_o he_o withstand_v peter_n to_o the_o face_n because_o he_o be_v to_o be_v blame_v gal._n 2.11_o direct_v that_o if_o any_o brother_n walk_v disorderly_a viz._n in_o disobedience_n to_o christ_n ordinance_n he_o must_v be_v withdraw_v from_o 2_o thess_n 3.6_o but_o john_n bunyan_n to_o persuade_v the_o church_n to_o strike_v hand_n in_o disobedience_n and_o to_o countetenance_v their_o do_n therein_o allege_v pag._n 110_o divers_a instance_n of_o unlawful_a thing_n do_v of_o old_a yet_o wink_v at_o if_o not_o approve_v to_o all_o which_o if_o it_o be_v so_o sure_o the_o apostle_n word_n rom._n 6.1_o what_o shall_v we_o say_v thereto_o shall_v we_o continue_v in_o sin_n that_o grace_n 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