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A91048 The proceedings in the late treaty of peaceĀ· Together with severall letters of his Majesty to the Queen, and of Prince Rupert to the Earle of Northampton, which were intercepted and brought to the Parliament. With a declaration of the Lords and Commons upon those proceedings and letters. Ordered by the Lords and Commons, that these proceedings, letters, and declaration be forthwith printed. H. Elsing Cler. Parliament. Dom. Com. Rupert, Prince, Count Palatine, 1619-1682.; Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649.; Henrietta Maria, Queen, consort of Charles I, King of England, 1609-1669.; Northampton, Spencer Compton, Earl of, 1601-1643.; England and Wales. Parliament. 1643 (1643) Wing P3571; Thomason E102_6; ESTC R11174 75,243 98

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