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we_o by_o any_o law_n of_o god_n to_o obey_v they_o in_o it_o further_a than_o we_o ourselves_o do_v see_v the_o same_o to_o be_v lawful_a and_o so_o voluntary_o assent_v unto_o it_o and_o if_o it_o be_v so_o then_o by_o what_o authority_n can_v officer_n of_o other_o congregation_n require_v we_o to_o stand_v to_o their_o act_n special_o when_o we_o neither_o like_v they_o nor_o judge_v they_o good_a it_o seem_v zwinglius_fw-la be_v against_o such_o do_n compar_fw-la ad_fw-la valent._n compar_fw-la for_o he_o say_v whosoever_o with_o a_o council_n of_o bishop_n shall_v impose_v on_o christian_a people_n any_o law_n or_o observation_n at_o their_o own_o like_n he_o mean_v without_o the_o people_n consent_n he_o invade_v the_o church_n right_a by_o a_o violent_a command_n 64._o artic._n 64._o in_o another_o place_n such_o elder_n as_o without_o the_o church_n consent_n decree_v thing_n at_o their_o own_o pleasure_n be_v in_o name_n elder_n but_o indeed_o tyrant_n cyprian_n 14.31_o 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to_o take_v upon_o they_o the_o subject_n of_o a_o whole_a congregation_n to_o their_o decree_n yea_o and_o to_o 2._o to_o yet_o thus_o deal_v the_o claswith_n our_o eld._n because_o they_o admit_v mr._n hooker_n to_o the_o pulpit_n contrary_a to_o their_o act_n de_fw-fr ro._n pont._n pract_n pag._n 2._o censure_v the_o eldership_n if_o they_o though_o with_o the_o church_n like_v do_v contrary_a to_o it_o it_o be_v not_o the_o manner_n of_o bishop_n say_v d._n whitaker_n in_o the_o primitive_a time_n to_o assume_v unto_o themselves_o jurisdiction_n and_o gouvernment_n over_o other_o 3._o if_o it_o be_v right_a 88_o right_a see_v park-pol_n eccl._n l._n 3_o c._n 12._o p._n 88_o that_o the_o common_a desire_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n in_o thing_n lawfulll_v shall_v take_v place_n before_o one_o man_n opposition_n to_o it_o than_o i_o take_v it_o the_o matter_n be_v not_o well_o carry_v when_o mr._n paget_n prevail_v against_o the_o eldership_n and_o church_n too_o 4._o this_o practice_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o old_a rule_n general_o receive_v among_o the_o learned_a that_o 3._o that_o amb._n lib._n de_fw-fr dig_v sacerd_v 3._o which_o concern_v all_o aught_o of_o all_o to_o be_v approve_a but_o some_o may_v say_v how_o be_v this_o to_o be_v do_v i_o answer_v in_o the_o word_n of_o d._n fulke_o 86._o fulke_o learned_a discourse_n of_o eccles_n disci_fw-la p._n 86._o that_o the_o elder_n say_v he_o may_v have_v their_o sentence_n to_o be_v the_o sentence_n of_o the_o church_n they_o must_v when_o they_o have_v travail_v in_o examine_v of_o case_n propound_v they_o to_o the_o whole_a multitude_n that_o it_o may_v be_v confirm_v by_o their_o consent_n observe_v here_o how_o according_a to_o this_o man_n opinion_n the_o classis_fw-la shall_v first_o have_v propound_v the_o thing_n to_o our_o congregation_n and_o if_o we_o joint_o have_v approve_a thereof_o then_o may_v they_o have_v conclude_v that_o it_o be_v a_o church_n act_n otherwise_o not_o 5._o howsoever_o the_o class_n have_v join_v with_o mr._n paget_n against_o we_o and_o they_o together_o deprive_v we_o of_o mr._n hooker_n and_o mr._n davenport_n notwithstanding_o hitherto_o we_o have_v not_o see_v they_o to_o warrant_v their_o proceed_n by_o the_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o in_o this_o respect_n we_o also_o take_v it_o that_o they_o have_v deal_v too_o hardly_o with_o we_o for_o who_o know_v not_o that_o in_o all_o question_n of_o this_o nature_n no_o other_o testimony_n or_o argument_n can_v strike_v the_o stroke_n to_o persuade_v the_o conscience_n but_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o as_o one_o finem_fw-la one_o chrisost_o in_o psal_n 95._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la well_o say_v if_o any_o thing_n be_v speak_v without_o scripture_n the_o mind_n of_o the_o hear_v halt_v now_o stick_v at_o it_o sometime_o turn_v from_o it_o as_o frivolous_a sometime_o turn_v to_o it_o as_o probable_a but_o when_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o speaker_n come_v from_o divine_a scripture_n it_o confirm_v both_o the_o speech_n of_o the_o speaker_n and_o mind_n of_o the_o hearer_n but_o as_o for_o the_o classis_fw-la all_o that_o we_o have_v yet_o hear_v or_o see_v from_o they_o for_o the_o justification_n of_o their_o act_n against_o we_o have_v be_v either_o the_o order_n country_n order_n this_o be_v the_o reason_n they_o give_v in_o their_o act_n against_o mr._n hooker_n why_o he_o shall_v not_o preach_v it_o be_v against_o the_o order_n of_o the_o church_n in_o these_o country_n of_o the_o church_n or_o custom_n or_o tradition_n now_o what_o say_v god_n by_o jeremy_n 10.3_o jeremy_n cha._n 10.3_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o people_n be_v vain_a whatsoever_o savore_v against_o the_o truth_n be_v heresy_n even_o old_a custom_n say_v tertullian_n virg._n tertullian_n de_fw-fr veland_n virg._n custom_n say_v pomp._n say_v cypr._n ep._n 74._o ad_fw-la pomp._n another_o without_o truth_n be_v the_o mother_n of_o error_n and_o in_o another_o place_n cicil._n place_n in_o l._n 2._o ep._n 3._o ad_fw-la cicil._n we_o must_v not_o follow_v the_o custom_n of_o man_n but_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n speak_v beza_n 23.27_o beza_n in_o luc._n 23.27_o and_o other_o as_o for_o order_n we_o be_v so_o far_o to_o be_v order_v by_o they_o as_o they_o accord_n with_o the_o order_n of_o the_o gospel_n touch_v tradition_n we_o know_v well_o enough_o what_o they_o say_v against_o they_o when_o they_o deal_v with_o the_o papist_n beside_o do_v not_o mr._n page_n tell_v we_o and_o that_o 37._o that_o pag._n 37._o true_o that_o many_o worthy_a divine_n be_v sometime_o mistake_v why_o then_o may_v not_o they_o be_v mistake_v in_o our_o difference_n in_o truth_n we_o have_v the_o more_o reason_n so_o to_o think_v consider_v they_o bring_v we_o no_o proof_n for_o their_o do_n herein_o save_v bare_a authority_n and_o here_o by_o the_o way_n i_o think_v good_a to_o observe_v a_o little_a of_o mr._n pagets_n talk_n in_o pag._n 25._o have_v set_v down_o a_o great_a part_n of_o the_o act_n and_o sentence_n which_o the_o classical_a assembly_n make_v against_o mr._n hooker_n also_o what_o the_o deputy_n of_o the_o synod_n do_v in_o like_a manner_n judge_v of_o the_o thing_n he_o immediate_o begin_v to_o hold_v up_o his_o head_n and_o to_o look_v so_o big_a upon_o we_o as_o if_o there_o be_v no_o remedy_n but_o we_o must_v needs_o run_v away_o and_o field_n he_o the_o cause_n have_v these_o complaynant_n say_v he_o be_v wise_a and_o considerate_a person_n they_o will_v rather_o have_v seek_v to_o bury_v the_o memory_n of_o these_o thing_n then_o by_o their_o importunate_a complaint_n compel_v i_o in_o my_o own_o defence_n to_o write_v these_o thing_n which_o otherwise_o i_o shall_v not_o have_v do_v but_o good_a sir_n wherein_o lie_v the_o weight_n of_o this_o terrible_a matter_n what_o be_v it_o
2_o sect_n 4._o excommunication_n precise_o and_o chief_o pertain_v to_o the_o church_n and_o that_o she_o have_v authority_n to_o commit_v the_o execution_n thereof_o to_o some_o special_a person_n for_o that_o purpose_n and_o choose_v for_o that_o end_n to_o the_o same_o effect_n willet_n 2._o willet_n synop_n count_v 4._o qu._n 4_o p._n 2._o and_o tailor_n 712._o tailor_n comm._n on_o tit._n ch_z 3._o v._n 10._o p._n 712._o say_v that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o common_a action_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o of_o any_o private_a person_n or_o person_n what_o more_o obvious_a and_o clear_a by_o these_o man_n testimony_n then_o that_o every_o particular_a congregation_n have_v power_n full_o in_o itself_o to_o perform_v all_o god_n ordinance_n but_o have_v not_o mr._n paget_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n just_a cause_n to_o blush_v who_o deny_v to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n that_o due_a power_n which_o the_o learned_a of_o all_o profession_n do_v grant_v unto_o she_o for_o the_o nonconformist_n i_o have_v already_o show_v that_o they_o consent_v full_o with_o we_o 23._o pag._n 23._o notwithstanding_o some_o thing_n more_o i_o will_v here_o speak_v of_o they_o and_o the_o rather_o because_o time_n be_v when_o mr._n paget_n do_v esteem_v they_o to_o be_v a_o multitude_n of_o godly_a and_o learned_a minister_n and_o be_v or_o at_o least_o make_v a_o show_n he_o be_v of_o their_o judgement_n and_o practice_n he_o that_o read_v the_o controversy_n between_o downame_n and_o the_o replyer_n shall_v there_o see_v this_o very_a point_n betwixt_o mr._n paget_n and_o we_o large_o handle_v the_o doctor_n stout_o maintain_v mr._n paget_n position_n viz._n that_o particular_a church_n be_v dependent_a and_o stand_v under_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o the_o other_o say_v otherwise_o and_o often_o affirm_v 104._o affirm_v li._n 2._o par_fw-fr 2._o p._n 104._o that_o the_o administration_n of_o all_o church-matter_n at_o first_o be_v in_o every_o congregation_n the_o right_a in_o the_o church_n the_o execution_n in_o the_o presbytery_n thereof_o for_o this_o purpose_n he_o instance_v cenchrea_n 22.23_o cenchrea_n li._n 1._o part_n 2._o p._n 22.23_o howsoever_o it_o be_v the_o port_n of_o corinth_n and_o not_o far_o from_o it_o as_o radcliffe_n or_o lime_n house_n to_o london_n yet_o it_o be_v a_o distinct_a church_n from_o that_o of_o corinth_n and_o alike_o endue_v with_o full_a power_n note_n power_n note_n of_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n mr._n parker_n speak_v down_o right_a in_o this_o thing_n and_o prove_v by_o text_n of_o scripture_n judgement_n of_o ancient_a father_n confession_n of_o protestant_a divine_n and_o many_o unanswereable_a reason_n that_o 6._o that_o pol._n eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 6._o all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v always_o in_o the_o whole_a congregation_n from_o hence_o it_o flow_v as_o from_o the_o fountain_n and_o to_o the_o same_o it_o return_v as_o to_o the_o sea_n and_o here_o by_o the_o way_n i_o do_v demand_n of_o you_o mr._n paget_n see_v every_o minister_n as_o the_o learned_a 118._o learned_a par._n in_o 1._o cor._n 3.2_o park_n pol._n eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 12._o tilen_v specu_fw-la antichri_fw-la p._n 14._o d._n whitak_n de_fw-mi con_fw-mi qu._n 5._o p._n 118._o right_o say_v be_v the_o church_n servant_n and_o under_o her_o authority_n and_o administer_v for_o she_o what_o warrant_v then_o you_o and_o other_o have_v to_o make_v any_o decree_n or_o sentence_n against_o the_o mind_n and_o like_n of_o a_o whole_a church_n and_o to_o require_v they_o to_o submit_v thereto_o i_o think_v such_o do_v become_v not_o servant_n and_o whither_o this_o be_v not_o to_o be_v lord_n over_o god_n heritage_n contrary_a to_o peter_n charge_n i_o desire_v the_o humble_a and_o godly_a to_o consider_v page_n in_o title_n page_n unto_o these_o we_o will_v add_v the_o author_n of_o the_o english_a puritanisme_n a_o book_n as_o the_o publisher_n report_v contain_v the_o main_a 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officer_n administration_n order_n and_o form_n of_o divine_a worship_n 3._o they_o hold_v that_o christ_n jesus_n have_v not_o subject_v any_o church_n or_o congregation_n of_o he_o this_o note_v this_o to_o any_o other_o superior_a ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n then_o unto_o that_o which_o be_v within_o itself_o so_o that_o if_o a_o whole_a church_n or_o congregation_n shall_v err_v in_o any_o matter_n of_o faith_n or_o religion_n no_o other_o church_n or_o spiritual_a church-officer_n have_v by_o any_o warrant_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n power_n to_o censure_v punish_v or_o control_v the_o same_o but_o be_v only_o to_o advise_v they_o and_o so_o to_o leave_v their_o soul_n to_o the_o immediate_a judgement_n of_o christ_n and_o their_o body_n to_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n etc._n etc._n 4._o they_o hold_v that_o every_o establish_a church_n ought_v as_o a_o special_a prerogive_v wherewith_o she_o be_v endue_v by_o christ_n to_o have_v power_n and_o liberty_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n etc._n etc._n 5._o they_o hold_v that_o if_o in_o this_o choice_n any_o particular_a church_n shall_v err_v that_o none_o upon_o earth_n but_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o control_n or_o correct_v they_o for_o it_o etc._n etc._n 6._o they_o hold_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n and_o minister_n of_o one_o church_n ought_v not_o to_o bear_v any_o ecclesiastical_a office_n in_o another_o but_o aught_o to_o be_v tie_v unto_o that_o congregation_n of_o which_o they_o be_v member_n and_o by_o which_o they_o be_v elect_v into_o office_n etc._n etc._n there_o be_v nothing_o here_o say_v but_o many_o other_o of_o our_o learned_a countryman_n have_v say_v the_o like_a as_o d._n ames_n 29._o ames_n casconsc_n l._n 4._o c._n 29._o mr._n banes_n 4._o banes_n dioces_fw-la trial_o conclus_fw-la 4._o mr._n bates_n 66._o bates_n pag._n 66._o mr._n fenner_n 15.16_o fenner_n against_o bridg_n pag._n 15.16_o mr._n udall_n 24.25_o udall_n demonst._n discipl_n pag._n 24.25_o etc._n etc._n in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n in_o queen_n mary_n day_n it_o be_v agree_v upon_o that_o 115._o that_o discourse_v of_o troub_v frank._n pag._n 115._o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n several_o and_o joint_o shall_v have_v no_o authority_n to_o make_v any_o manner_n of_o decree_n or_o ordinance_n to_o bind_v the_o congregation_n or_o any_o member_n thereof_o but_o shall_v execute_v such_o ordinance_n as_o shall_v be_v make_v by_o the_o congregation_n and_o to_o they_o deliver_v again_o none_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_v until_o the_o matter_n be_v first_o hear_a by_o the_o whole_a church_n that_o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n and_o every_o of_o they_o be_v subject_a to_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n as_o other_o private_a member_n of_o the_o church_n be_v neither_o shall_v mr._n hooker_n 11._o hooker_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o mr._n pagets_n 20._o quest_n answ_n 11._o testimony_n be_v unremembered_a who_o affirm_v that_o a_o particular_a congregation_n may_v lawful_o and_o without_o sin_n call_v a_o minister_n without_o or_o against_o the_o approbation_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la and_o he_o give_v this_o reason_n for_o it_o they_o which_o have_v complete_a and_o perfect_a minister_n before_o any_o classis_fw-la have_v power_n full_o to_o call_v they_o but_o a_o particular_a congregation_n have_v perfect_a and_o complete_a minister_n perfect_o and_o complete_o call_v before_o any_o classis_fw-la ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n thus_o reader_n thou_o may_v perceive_v that_o mr._n paget_n have_v leave_v the_o way_n of_o non-conformitie_n yea_o and_o show_v himself_o to_o it_o a_o great_a adversary_n indeed_o so_o sore_o a_o one_o that_o in_o his_o own_o word_n i_o may_v true_o say_v as_o herod_n to_o kill_v one_o infant_n 73._o pag._n 73._o spare_v not_o to_o kill_v a_o multitude_n of_o other_o infant_n so_o he_o that_o he_o may_v undermine_v we_o and_o blow_v we_o up_o into_o the_o air_n he_o care_v not_o
viz._n ministers-must_a be_v choose_v with_o the_o free_a consent_n of_o the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a congregation_n by_o the_o like_a authority_n as_o they_o be_v elect_v they_o may_v be_v depose_v but_o nothing_o herein_o must_v be_v attempt_v without_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n what_o those_o synod_n be_v of_o who_o mr._n paget_n speak_v in_o pag._n 66._o who_o decree_v that_o particular_a congregation_n shall_v not_o practice_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o know_v but_o this_o i_o know_v that_o no_o reform_a church_n have_v make_v this_o a_o article_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v certain_a if_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v it_o be_v only_o the_o invention_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n for_o conclusion_n now_o of_o this_o section_n howsoever_o i_o have_v alleidge_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o learned_a man_n notwithstanding_o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o i_o appeal_v unto_o for_o to_o have_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n betwixt_o we_o only_o try_v by_o and_o herein_o i_o do_v no_o more_o than_o other_o do_v which_o know_v they_o have_v the_o truth_n on_o their_o side_n namely_o to_o call_v their_o opposite_n unto_o the_o scripture_n and_o to_o require_v of_o they_o to_o stand_v unto_o the_o undeceiveable_a sentence_n and_o judgement_n thereof_o thus_o the_o protestant_n 1._o protestant_n d._n whita_n de_fw-fr cont_n qu._n 3_o c._n 3._o d._n morton_n apolo_n cath._n p._n 2._o l._n 1._o c._n 32._o sutclif_n def_n pont._n rom._n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o p._n 132._o b._n jew._n apo._n par_fw-fr 2._o c._n 5._o d._n 1._o do_v with_o the_o papist_n and_o the_o reformist_n rat_n reformist_n par._n pol._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 24._o c_o dever_n eccl._n refor_o rat_n again_o with_o they_o and_o for_o this_o purpose_n have_v zanchy_a ‡_o a_o worthy_a speech_n in_o his_o writing_n unto_o d._n knoll_v all_o thing_n touch_v worship_n and_o discipline_n aught_o to_o be_v examine_v not_o by_o the_o uncertain_a rule_n of_o human_n judgement_n but_o by_o the_o touchstone_n of_o divine_a scripture_n section_n ix_o that_o those_o who_o have_v read_v mr._n pagets_n book_n may_v not_o think_v that_o i_o have_v purposely_o omit_v any_o thing_n his_o jest_n slander_n and_o unchristian_a term_n except_v which_o carry_v with_o it_o the_o show_n of_o any_o matter_n touch_v the_o main_a point_n in_o question_n i_o have_v think_v good_a in_o this_o section_n to_o set_v down_o some_o brief_a answer_n unto_o certain_a colourable_a or_o rather_o carnal_a pretence_n which_o he_o use_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o himself_o and_o cause_n his_o first_o reason_n be_v this_o if_o particular_a preface_n particular_a preface_n congregation_n shall_v not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n and_o dissipation_n of_o church_n will_v follow_v answ_n 1._o when_o god_n have_v establish_v a_o order_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o his_o own_o house_n what_o presumption_n of_o man_n dare_v change_v it_o think_v he_o that_o he_o be_v wise_a than_o the_o almighty_a and_o can_v by_o his_o foolish_a way_n and_o devise_v bring_v more_o peace_n and_o profit_n to_o god_n house_n than_o the_o way_n of_o the_o all_o wise_a god_n but_o what_o will_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n presume_v to_o do_v against_o his_o maker_n and_o that_o with_o show_n of_o conveniency_n and_o to_o correct_v and_o reform_v that_o which_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v imperfect_a in_o his_o do_n but_o it_o seem_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n that_o these_o little_a consider_v how_o straight_o the_o lord_n have_v forbid_v such_o practice_n and_o what_o dreadful_a plague_n he_o threaten_v against_o man_n for_o it_o as_o mr._n paget_n therefore_o wish_v other_o to_o take_v heed_n what_o new_a form_n of_o church_n and_o church-gouvernment_a preface_n preface_n they_o frame_v unto_o themselves_o or_o command_v unto_o other_o so_o i_o desire_v that_o he_o himself_o will_v make_v a_o profitable_a use_n of_o his_o own_o counsel_n 2._o be_v it_o well_o consider_v that_o god_n always_o abhor_v all_o good_a intentes_fw-la of_o man_n that_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a pleasure_n of_o his_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n the_o church_n say_v whitaker_n 16._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 16._o must_v not_o be_v gouvern_v as_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n think_v fit_a but_o as_o christ_n the_o lord_n and_o king_n thereof_o will_v have_v it_o 3._o this_o objection_n take_v here_o up_o by_o mr._n paget_n be_v the_o very_a same_o which_o the_o papist_n and_o those_o that_o way_n affect_v use_v for_o to_o have_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o presbyter_n reject_v and_o their_o own_o popish_a hierarchy_n everywhere_o receive_v and_o practise_v viz._n because_o the_o put_n by_o of_o the_o late_a tend_v etc._n tend_v sarav_fw-mi de_fw-mi tripli_v epis_fw-la in_o prologue_n sand._n the_o visibl_n monar_n l._n 5._o c._n 4._o scult_v hier._n anarc_n l._n 10._o c._n 20._o l._n 11.119.137_o etc._n etc._n unto_o all_o mischief_n and_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o former_a 164_o former_a whitg_n tract_n 3._o c._n 4_o div_o 4._o &_o divis_fw-la 8._o pag._n 169._o loe_o compl_a chu_n p._n 164_o cause_v uproar_n in_o the_o church_n dissipate_v it_o and_o overthrow_v all_o good_a order_n therein_o 4._o if_o particular_a congregation_n must_v loose_v their_o right_n and_o power_n because_o of_o the_o offence_n which_o some_o man_n have_v commit_v in_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o then_o sure_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n if_o mr._n pagets_n reason_n be_v worth_a any_o thing_n ought_v class_n and_o synod_n to_o lay_v down_o that_o superior_a authority_n which_o they_o have_v take_v over_o many_o church_n because_o they_o in_o many_o thing_n many_o time_n have_v offend_v in_o and_o about_o the_o execution_n and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o good_a christian_n will_v deny_v i_o can_v give_v divers_a instance_n for_o it_o but_o it_o need_v not_o only_o it_o be_v not_o amiss_o to_o set_v down_o nazianzen_n proc._n nazianzen_n epist_n 42._o ad_fw-la proc._n word_n who_o be_v a_o elder_a or_o bishop_n i_o be_o mind_v say_v he_o to_o shun_v all_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n because_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a event_n in_o any_o council_n that_o do_v not_o rather_o increase_v then_o diminish_v our_o evil_n their_o contention_n and_o ambition_n pass_v my_o speech_n whither_o thing_n be_v better_o carry_v now_o than_o they_o be_v in_o his_o time_n i_o will_v not_o nor_o be_o able_a to_o judge_v 5._o if_o the_o infirmity_n of_o the_o people_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o take_v away_o their_o liberty_n in_o practise_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n then_o the_o contrary_a virtue_n which_o oftentimes_o have_v be_v find_v in_o they_o as_o instay_v the_o rage_n of_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharisy_n 3.26_o pharisy_n mat._n 21.26_o act._n 3.26_o in_o prefer_v sincere_a christian_n before_o arrian_n 7._o arrian_n zezo_n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o and_o be_v themselves_o sound_a in_o the_o faith_n 7._o faith_n theod_n l._n 2._o cap._n 7._o when_o their_o minister_n have_v be_v heretic_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o maintain_v their_o liberty_n still_o another_o thing_n which_o he_o talk_v much_o off_o 72._o pag._n 72._o be_v that_o the_o power_n which_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v be_v ancient_a and_o hence_o name_v it_o the_o old_a beat_a path_n 105._o pag._n 105._o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o sundry_a error_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o the_o apostle_n time_n yea_o begin_v before_o the_o most_o famous_a church_n in_o the_o world_n be_v plant_v therefore_o as_o cyprian_n 63._o cyprian_n epist._n 63._o say_v we_o must_v not_o regard_v what_o any_o other_o do_v before_o we_o or_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v do_v but_o what_o christ_n do_v who_o be_v before_o all_o 2._o howsoever_o mr._n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o old_a and_o ancient_a discipline_n yet_o sure_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v it_o so_o he_o never_o will_v nor_o can_v there_o be_v many_o and_o i_o think_v he_o know_v it_o which_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n that_o grow_v many_o year_n after_o the_o apostle_n a_o late_a devise_n 387_o devise_n bilson_n perp_v gouver_fw-fr c._n 16._o p._n 387_o and_o that_o in_o all_o antiquity_n there_o do_v not_o appear_v any_o one_o step_v thereof_o 138._o thereof_o sutclif_n discipl_n c._n 8._o p._n 138._o also_o that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n to_o this_o order_n first_o begin_v 94._o begin_v brancroft_n surv_v c._n 22._o p._n 353._o comp._n ch._n p._n 91._o 93._o 94._o and_o before_o calvin_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o pref._n itself_o hooke_n ecc._n polit._n pref._n touch_v these_o
hold_v for_o a_o infallible_a maxim_n that_o to_o reform_v corruption_n and_o abuse_n in_o state_n a_o better_a course_n can_v be_v take_v then_o to_o reduce_v thing_n to_o their_o primitive_a original_n hereto_o agree_v d._n whites_n 49._o whites_n of_o the_o church_n l._n 2._o pag._n 49._o say_v the_o first_o in_o any_o kind_n or_o sort_n of_o thing_n be_v true_a and_o best_a 4._o if_o it_o shall_v be_v grant_v that_o particular_a congregation_n by_o this_o kind_n of_o gouvernment_n shall_v have_v peace_n profit_n credit_n and_o other_o worldly_a respect_n yet_o this_o be_v no_o sufficient_a reason_n to_o induce_v they_o to_o embrace_v it_o for_o 1._o we_o must_v seek_v peace_n by_o lawful_a mean_n 2._o outward_a quietness_n be_v not_o always_o necessary_a for_o the_o church_n the_o truth_n be_v like_a unto_o camomile_n the_o more_o you_o press_v it_o down_o the_o fast_a it_o grow_v and_o spread_v further_a and_o smell_v sweet_a 3._o religion_n can_v subsist_v without_o external_a peace_n i_o say_v safe_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o contention_n 4._o it_o be_v better_a to_o want_v this_o freedom_n of_o which_o he_o speak_v hold_v fast_o the_o truth_n then_o in_o sin_n to_o have_v it_o and_o perish_v for_o it_o 5._o it_o be_v a_o rule_n among_o lawyer_n 2._o lawyer_n bartol_n distinct_a pag._n 2._o that_o public_a profit_n must_v not_o take_v place_n against_o law_n this_o hold_v firm_a in_o all_o case_n of_o religion_n to_o conclude_v then_o in_o nazianzen_n servand_n nazianzen_n de_fw-fr moderate_a in_o disceptat_fw-la servand_n word_n let_v no_o man_n be_v wise_a than_o be_v meet_v no_o more_o just_a than_o the_o law_n more_o bright_a than_o the_o sun_n streaghter_n then_o the_o rule_n nor_o pretend_v more_o obedience_n than_o god_n require_v etc._n etc._n this_o he_o speak_v of_o discipline_n another_o of_o his_o reason_n be_v this_o 72.153_o pag_n 72.153_o the_o power_n for_o which_o he_o stand_v have_v be_v determine_v limit_a and_o agree_v upon_o in_o many_o nationall_n synod_n and_o all_o reform_a church_n use_v it_o answ_n 1._o it_o be_v a_o receive_a opinion_n among_o the_o learned_a that_o council_n may_v err_v yea_o and_o often_o have_v as_o i_o can_v show_v in_o many_o particular_n beside_o who_o know_v not_o that_o almost_o all_o the_o father_n as_o they_o be_v call_v be_v infect_v with_o the_o error_n of_o millenaries_n and_o almost_o all_o the_o greek_a writer_n and_o latin_a with_o the_o doctrine_n of_o freewill_n merit_n invocation_n on_o the_o saint_n and_o the_o like_a and_o therefore_o as_o one_o well_o say_v 694._o say_v sibrand_n lubbert_n de_fw-fr princ_fw-la christ_n l._n 7._o c._n 10._o p._n 694._o we_o must_v not_o conclude_v a_o thing_n to_o be_v apostolical_a because_o the_o church_n observe_v it_o and_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n write_v some_o papist_n significat_fw-la papist_n though_o aqui_fw-la in_o quod_fw-la l._n 9_o art_n ult_n abb._n panor_n de_fw-fr elect_a c._n significat_fw-la 2._o these_o testimony_n be_v all_o human_a and_o therefore_o it_o be_v enough_o if_o we_o say_v with_o our_o lord_n 19.8_o lord_n mat._n 19.8_o from_o the_o beginning_n it_o be_v not_o so_o or_o as_o he_o say_v once_o woman_n what_o have_v i_o to_o do_v with_o thou_o so_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n what_o have_v we_o to_o do_v with_o man_n away_o with_o man_n writing_n say_v augustine_n let_v the_o voice_n of_o god_n sound_n unto_o we_o let_v the_o book_n of_o god_n come_v among_o we_o let_v we_o hear_v what_o christ_n say_v and_o what_o the_o truth_n speak_v for_o our_o judgement_n and_o exposition_n without_o these_o witness_n have_v no_o credit_n say_v origen_n 3._o this_o reason_n be_v the_o same_o which_o the_o papist_n use_n viz._n the_o decree_n 2._o decree_n whitak_n count_v 4._o qu._n 5._o c._n 10._o sarav_fw-mi de_fw-fr tripl_n episc_n in_o prologue_n io._n ainsw_n large_a writing_n 2._o of_o synod_n the_o opinion_n of_o the_o father_n the_o custom_n of_o man_n and_o practice_v of_o the_o church_n but_o 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