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A77129 A conference between a Presbyterian minister, and a lawyer concerning all the material points that are in difference between the Presbyterian and the Independent, and in what particulars Presbyterie is an hinderance to Reformation. One great hinderance is, the mainteining of great parishes. Boun, Abraham. 1651 (1651) Wing B3835A; ESTC R230048 53,222 206

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