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A69923 A conference desired by the Lords and had by a committee of both houses, concerning the rights and privileges of the subjects discoursed by Sir Dudley Digges, Sir Edward Littleton Knight, now Lord Keeper, Master Selden, Sir Edward Cooke ; with the objections by Sir Robert Heath, Knight, then Attorney Generall, and the answers, 3 ĚŠApr. 4. Car. 1628. England and Wales. Parliament. 1642 (1642) Wing E1284C; ESTC R8061 70,161 93

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