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A16170 A courteous conference with the English Catholikes Romane about the six articles ministred vnto the seminarie priestes, wherein it is apparantly proued by their owne diuinitie, and the principles of their owne religion, that the Pope cannot depose her Maiestie, or release her subiectes of their alleageance vnto her. And finally, that the bull of Pius Quiutus [sic] pronounced against her Maiestie is of no force eyther in lawe or conscience, all Catholicke scruples to the contrarie beeing throughly and perfectly cleared and resolued, and many memoriall matters exactly discussed, which haue not beene handled by man heeretofore. Written by Iohn Bishop a recusant papist. Bishop, John, d. 1613.; Frewen, John, 1558-1628. 1598 (1598) STC 3092; ESTC S102284 61,282 90

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although_o he_o write_v very_o direct_o against_o the_o pope_n &_o popery_n yet_o in_o many_o respect_n do_v he_o show_v himself_o a_o papist_n as_o in_o follow_v of_o corrupt_a translation_n in_o the_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o he_o allege_v &_o in_o misapply_v many_o of_o they_o contrary_a to_o the_o true_a sense_n &_o meaning_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n wherein_o although_o some_o warning_n be_v give_v by_o a_o few_o marginal_a note_n add_v of_o purpose_n and_o sign_v wit●_n this_o letter_n yet_o can_v the_o godly_a reader_n for_o all_o that_o be_v too_o weary_a and_o circumspect_a in_o the_o particular_a consideration_n of_o the_o same_o fault_n escape_v pag._n 2._o for_o every_o read_v every_o pag._n 3._o for_o ju_n read_v ni_fw-fr pa._n 4._o for_o junius_n read_v fumus_fw-la pag_n 7._o for_o 〈…〉_o a_o courteous_n conference_n with_o the_o english_a catholic_n roman_a about_o the_o six_o article_n minister_v unto_o the_o seminary_n priest_n wherein_o it_o be_v apparent_o 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