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A76081 The Independents catechisme. Or Some observations gathered out of Doctor Bastvvicke his religious and learned treatise entituled Independency not Gods ordinance. For the use of all poor ignorant, wavering, and seduced independents. By John Bernard philopresbytes. Bernard, John.; Bastwick, John, 1593-1654. Independency not Gods ordinance. 1645 (1645) Wing B1064; Thomason E1186_5; ESTC R14251 6,406 31

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