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A14809 The controversie debated about the reuerend gesture of kneeling in the act of receiuing the holy communion. By Iames Wats, minister of Gods word at Woodnosborough in Kent: and sometime fellow of Magdalene Colledge in Cambridge. Wats, James, d. 1619. 1621 (1621) STC 25109; ESTC S102698 20,275 44

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