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A14809	The controversie debated about the reuerend gesture of kneeling in the act of receiuing the holy communion. By Iames Wats, minister of Gods word at Woodnosborough in Kent: and sometime fellow of Magdalene Colledge in Cambridge.	Wats, James, d. 1619.	1621 (1621)	STC 25109; ESTC S102698	20,275	44

any ones iudgement that shall compare what they alledge with this that I haue set downe at large They cite also Peter Martyr as being cleare on their side to condemne the gesture of kneeling Yet who so reades his Commentarie vpon the booke of Iudges imprinted at Zurich in the second chapter fol. 33. he shall plainely finde these words I thinke wee should not contend that rites and ceremonies should be any where the same but there must be this prouiso that all come as neere as may be to the word of God and that edification with decent order may be furthered Nihil alioquin interest si coenae dominicae sacramentum stantes aut sedentes aut genibus flexis percipiamus modo institutum Domini conseruetur occasio superstitionibus praecidatur Vide etiam inter locos communes fol 193. otherwise it makes no matter whether wee receiue the Sacrament of the Lords Supper standing or sitting or kneeling so that the Lords ordinance be kept and that occasion of superstitions may be preuented And this appeares to be penned by him after his booke set forth against Stephen Gardiner I haue heard some reply that Peter Martyr is yet against vs because he saith it makes no matter whether of the gestues be vsed and yet our Law bindes to kneeling onely Vnto which besides the former reioynders this is to the purpose that the abridgement before named citing Hooper in his sixt Sermon as vtterly against kneeling his words are yet found and by others of them alleadged no otherwise than thus that hee could wish it were commanded by the Magistrates that the receiuers should doe it standing or sitting and that sitting rather he thought best Now if either of these two were enioyned the other could not be left so indifferent that euery particular man or woman might yet make their choice therefore that could not be Peter Martyrs meaning but that herein liberty was left to the choice of euery distinct Church Master Greenham also a worthy man for zeale and industry in preaching the Gospell and one who is alleadged in the Register of opposites to haue much withstood our ceremonies in his yonger yeeres afterward one comming to aske his aduice whether to sit or kneele at the Lords Table it is set downe among his graue counsels vpon the word Sacraments that he gaue this answere For such things let vs labour what wee may to doe as much as we can for the peace of the Church Being occasioned to write further vpon this argument and in manner as before thus I proceeded first arguing in this manner IT is the holy Communion therefore how should not the gesture which is most proper to pietie and holinesse be at least as fit as any other Surely standing or sitting are not gestures more fitting deuotion then kneeling is Nay how are they so much seeing that howsoeuer deuotion may concurre with them yet it is not declared by them but by kneeling we partly expresse it therefore to bow downe and to worship are often ioyned together as O come let vs worship fall downe and kneele Psa 95. and in Psal 22.29 All that be fat on earth shall eate and worship and they that goe downe to the dust shall kneele before him Where we see eating and worshipping are ioyned together and bowing downe is not seuered from them 1. Obiection Oh but this is a maine reason why we dare not kneele lest wee should seeme to worship and namely to worship the Bread and the Wine because our kneeling is appointed to be before them Answere From whom should seeming or censure be feared Not from any that vnderstand the doctrine of the Church of England nor yet from the Papists for they auerre still notwithstanding our kneeling that wee receiue but Bread and Wine howsoeuer they wrong vs herein yet they traduce vs not so much as to say we pretend to worship them Lib. 4. de Eucharistia c. 29. §. 2. For Bellarmine plainely acknowledgeth we all renounce that And how should our worship by any of our selues be thought to be directed to the Bread and Wine as hauing Christs body in them before we receiue them or whiles we are onely in the act of receiuing when the order of the words is first to take and eate before they be Sacramentally declared to become his body and bloud Also the prayer going before makes it plaine against all cauilling viz. That wee receiuing these thy creatures of Bread and Wine according c. in remembrance c. may be partakers of his most blessed body and bloud 2. Obiection Yet we thinke we should not bow downe before a creature to worship God as the Papists doe in and before their images Answere No more we doe for our worship is directly to God and to Christ no way vnto the creatures Tom. 6. conera Maxi● 〈◊〉 3. cap. 22. 〈◊〉 ●54 because as Saint Augustin saith In sacramentis non quid sint sed quid oftendant semper attenditur We consider not what they are but what they shew or signifie And the signification is such as it doth iustly occasion our humiliation when we receiue and are about to receiue them for so our famous Diuines P. Martyr BB. Iuel and the Lord du Plesse all of them allow of Saint Augustines saying in Psal 98. No man eates the flesh of Christ except he first worship it These diuines all say plainely We doe so we worship him in the Mysteries but not the Mysteries themselues in the Sacrament but not the Sacrament the Creator in the creature sanctified and not the Creature Peter Martyr loc com classe 4. cap. 10. pag. 863. Iuel fully to the same effect in his answere to Harding Act. 8. diuision 22. pag. 404. and Morney fourth Booke of the Sacrament cap. 6. p. 452. Hereunto I annexe the confession of two worthies among our Martirs BB. Ridly and Latimer Ridly in his disputation at Oxford answering Doctor Glin pag. 1451. saith We adore and worship Christ in the Eucharist and if you meane the externall Sacrament I say that also is to be worshipped as a Sacrament Latimer also saith pag. 1458. Wee worship Christ in the heauens and we worship him in the Sacrament but the massing worship is not to be vsed Againe as touching the Papists bowing before Images they say they worship them because by them they remember Christ whereas we doe not worship bread and wine in remembrance of Christ but wee worship onely Christ of whom we are remembred by the bread and wine and Bellarmine shewes if they should worship images no otherwise it were to bee accounted no image-worship at all his words be these Siimago non est veneranda nisi improprie De imag San. lib. 2. cap. 21. § 2. probatur est quia nimirum coram illa vel in illa aut per illam adoratur exemplar certe licebit simpliciternegare imagines esse venerandas 3. Obiection Wee thinke still tho that with respect to creatures