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A50712 Observations upon the laws and customs of nations, as to precedency by Sir George Mackenzie ... Mackenzie, George, Sir, 1636-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing M186; ESTC R5733 107,612 141

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of_o hamilton_n the_o second_o the_o marquis_n of_o huntly_n the_o three_o because_o be_v the_o custom_n inviolablie_o observe_v in_o all_o kingdom_n the_o place_n of_o honour_n among_o nobility_n be_v first_o in_o the_o person_n of_o duke_n and_o next_o marquess_n and_o then_o in_o the_o person_n of_o earl_n and_o lord_n and_o next_o unto_o they_o the_o said_n lord_n commissioner_n discern_v and_o ordain_v the_o earl_n abovewritten_v to_o have_v bruike_v and_o possess_v their_o rank_n and_o place_n according_a as_o they_o be_v here_o write_v rank_v and_o set_v down_o in_o order_n follow_v viz._n angus_n argyl_n crawfurd_n errol_n marishal_n sutherland_n mar_n rothes_n morton_n monteith_n eglington_n montrose_n cassils_n caithnes_n glencairn_n buchan_n murray_n orkney_n athol_n linlithgow_n home_n pearth_n dumfermling_n and_o dumbar_n and_o sicklike_a the_o say_n lord_n commissioner_n dicern_v and_o ordain_v the_o lord_n particular_o abovewritten_v to_o have_v bruike_v and_o possess_v 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the_o book_n of_o privy_a council_n and_o a_o authentic_a extract_n thereof_o to_o be_v deliver_v to_o the_o clerk_n register_n and_o another_o extract_v to_o be_v deliver_v to_o the_o lyon-herauld_n to_o be_v keep_v be_v they_o for_o the_o better_a knowledge_n and_o information_n of_o every_o man_n rank_n and_o place_n when_o the_o occasion_n of_o their_o rank_v shall_v be_v present_v extract_n de_fw-fr libris_fw-la actorum_fw-la secreti_fw-la consilii_fw-la act._n 8._o d._n n._n regis_fw-la per_fw-la i_o jacobum_fw-la primrose_n clericum_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la sub_fw-la meo_fw-la signo_fw-la &_o subscriptione_n manualibus_fw-la it_o be_v fit_a to_o know_v that_o the_o earl_n of_o dowglas_n be_v by_o act_n of_o parliament_n declare_v to_o have_v the_o first_o vote_n in_o parliament_n and_o the_o carry_v of_o the_o crown_n and_o lead_v of_o the_o vanguard_n but_o k._n james_n do_v in_o anno_fw-la 1582._o prevail_v with_o that_o earl_n to_o suffer_v the_o duke_n of_o lennox_n to_o carry_v the_o crown_n for_o that_o time_n and_o in_o anno_fw-la 1632._o there_o be_v a_o charter_n grant_v to_o the_o say_a earl_n in_o life-rent_a and_o to_o his_o son_n in_o fee_n cum_fw-la omnibus_fw-la privilegiis_fw-la etc._n etc._n &_o specialiter_fw-la cum_fw-la privilegio_fw-la aciem_fw-la ducendi_fw-la coronam_fw-la gerendi_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o in_o anno_fw-la 1633._o the_o say_a earl_n be_v create_v a_o marquis_n it_o be_v declare_v by_o act_n of_o council_n that_o he_o do_v quite_o privilege_n of_o have_v the_o the_o first_o vote_n in_o parliament_n upon_o his_o promotion_n and_o yet_o the_o marquis_n of_o dowglas_n still_o pretend_v that_o any_o such_o renunciation_n can_v not_o have_v prejudge_v the_o family_n since_o the_o grant_a of_o that_o renunciation_n be_v only_o a_o life-rent_a his_o son_n have_v be_v in_o fee_n i_o find_v there_o be_v some_o title_n of_o nobility_n in_o england_n annex_v to_o place_n so_o that_o whoever_o be_v in_o possession_n of_o that_o place_n have_v right_o to_o the_o tittle_n thus_o it_o be_v find_v in_o the_o case_n of_o the_o lord_n abergavenny_n that_o he_o in_o possession_n of_o the_o castle_n aught_o to_o have_v the_o title_n albeit_o he_o be_v not_o heir_n of_o blood_n their_o reason_n be_v because_o it_o be_v a_o barony-marchiere_a and_o it_o have_v be_v find_v that_o barony_n and_o castle_n situate_v upon_o the_o border_n of_o scotland_n and_o wales_n belong_v always_o to_o the_o owner_n the_o word_n of_o the_o tenor_n be_v per_fw-la servitium_fw-la patriae_fw-la custodiendae_fw-la it_o be_v allege_v as_o one_o of_o the_o reason_n in_o that_o caise_n that_o the_o owner_n of_o land_n hold_v in_o capite_fw-la &_o per_fw-la baroniam_fw-la have_v precedency_n albeit_o they_o be_v not_o next_o heir_n the_o next_o degree_n to_o the_o earl_n be_v that_o of_o viscount_n in_o latin_a vicecome_fw-la as_o be_v of_o old_a lieutenant_n to_o a_o earl_n vicecomite_n olim_fw-la dicibantur_fw-la quibus_fw-la castri_fw-la dominus_fw-la vice_n svas_fw-la committebat_fw-la seu_fw-la executionem_fw-la jurisdictionis_fw-la but_o afterward_o our_o king_n give_v not_o the_o government_n of_o county_n or_o shire_n to_o earl_n
opinion_n that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v prefer_v to_o the_o same_o dignity_n in_o all_o promiscuous_a and_o indifferent_a act_n which_o fall_v in_o during_o the_o time_n of_o the_o representation_n and_o thus_o cautuccius_fw-la decis_fw-la 582._o be_v of_o opinion_n that_o the_o bishop_n vicar_n send_v by_o he_o to_o hold_v a_o synod_n be_v to_o have_v precedency_n before_o all_o the_o chapter_n not_o only_o in_o the_o synod_n itself_o but_o likewise_o in_o all_o other_o assembly_n visit_n and_o intertainment_n during_o his_o commission_n but_o the_o contrare_fw-la of_o this_o be_v mantain_v by_o menoch_n consil._n 51._o and_o in_o my_o opinion_n these_o doctor_n may_v be_v thus_o reconcile_v viz._n if_o the_o representation_n flow_v immediate_o from_o the_o law_n as_o for_o instance_n if_o the_o council_n shall_v delegat_n any_o man_n to_o be_v sheriff_n there_o the_o person_n substitut_o will_v have_v in_o all_o case_n during_o his_o commission_n the_o same_o place_n that_o be_v due_a to_o he_o in_o who_o place_n he_o be_v surrogate_n for_o there_o surrogatum_fw-la sapit_fw-la naturam_fw-la surrogati_fw-la but_o if_o the_o representation_n flow_v from_o the_o person_n himself_o who_o he_o represent_v in_o that_o case_n the_o representative_a have_v only_o the_o precedency_n whilst_o he_o be_v exercise_v the_o office_n or_o in_o action_n thereto_o relate_v and_o thus_o sheriff-deputs_a with_o we_o have_v only_o the_o precedency_n due_a to_o their_o constituent_n while_o they_o be_v exercise_v these_o act_n which_o relate_v to_o their_o office_n and_o yet_o i_o think_v that_o those_o representative_n of_o subject_n have_v even_o in_o all_o extrinsic_a and_o indifferent_a act_n the_o precedency_n due_a to_o their_o constituent_n when_o they_o meet_v with_o other_o of_o the_o same_o degree_n and_o thus_o among_o sheriff-deputes_a etc._n etc._n the_o precedency_n be_v to_o be_v give_v according_a to_o the_o precedency_n that_o be_v due_a to_o the_o principal_a sheriff_n question_n thirty-nine_o what_o precedency_n be_v due_a to_o assessor_n appoint_v for_o judge_n and_o to_o extraordinary_a judge_n i_o conceive_v that_o assessor_n choose_v by_o a_o judge_n get_v no_o precedency_n thereby_o since_o subject_n can_v bestow_v dignity_n but_o that_o where_o the_o prince_n name_v any_o man_n assessor_n to_o a_o judicature_n the_o person_n so_o name_v have_v thereby_o the_o precedency_n next_o to_o the_o judge_n to_o who_o he_o be_v name_v assessor_n nam_fw-la est_fw-la ejus_fw-la umbra_fw-la his_o shadow_n as_o the_o law_n speak_v and_o the_o shadow_n shall_v follow_v the_o body_n and_o with_o we_o when_o the_o council_n name_v assessor_n to_o the_o justice_n the_o assessor_n vote_v only_o after_o the_o justice_n and_o yet_o in_o france_n i_o find_v that_o assessor_n take_v place_n after_o the_o precedent_n and_o before_o the_o other_o counsellor_n and_o so_o it_o be_v decide_v at_o paris_n 1608._o it_o may_v be_v also_o doubt_v whether_o our_o extraordinar_a lord_n of_o session_n who_o sit_v with_o and_o vote_v after_o the_o ordinar_n judge_n shall_v have_v place_n after_o they_o if_o they_o be_v not_o earl_n or_o nobleman_n as_o by_o the_o institution_n they_o be_v oblige_v to_o be_v but_o not_o either_o as_o that_o the_o king_n may_v not_o promote_v gentleman_n hereafter_o quo_fw-la casn_a i_o think_v they_o will_v take_v place_n after_o the_o ordinar_n as_o they_o vote_v after_o they_o for_o these_o extraordinar_a lord_n be_v like_a to_o these_o adscriptiti●_n or_o allecti_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n ut_fw-la dignit_fw-la ord_n servetur_fw-la of_o who_o capitolinus_n in_o the_o life_n of_o pertinax_n qu●m_n commodus_n allectionibus_fw-la innumeris_fw-la praetorios_fw-la miscuisset_fw-la senatus_fw-la consultum_fw-la pertinax_n fecit_fw-la jussitque_fw-la eos_fw-la qui_fw-la praeturas_fw-la non_fw-la gessissent_fw-la sed_fw-la allectione_fw-la accepissent_fw-la post_fw-la eos_fw-la esse_fw-la qui_fw-la veer_fw-la praetores_fw-la fuissent_fw-la question_n xl._o whether_o can_v the_o king_n create_v now_o a_o new_a earl_n and_o ordain_v he_o to_o precede_v all_o the_o former_a earl_n or_o any_o such_o number_n of_o they_o as_o he_o please_v it_o will_v seem_v that_o the_o king_n can_v for_o there_o be_v a_o precedency_n acquire_v to_o the_o former_a earl_n by_o their_o first_o gift_n the_o king_n can_v by_o any_o new_a gift_n prejudge_v three_o party_n and_o this_o be_v in_o effect_n to_o forfeit_v they_o of_o their_o precedency_n likeas_n it_o will_v seem_v that_o since_o most_o earldom_n be_v grant_v by_o erect_v land_n in_o a_o earldom_n in_o favour_n of_o the_o receiver_n that_o therefore_o the_o concession_n of_o land_n and_o honour_n be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n and_o that_o no_o new_a grant_n can_v prejudge_v the_o one_o more_o than_o the_o other_o but_o it_o may_v be_v urge_v on_o the_o king_n part_n that_o the_o king_n be_v the_o only_a fountain_n of_o honour_n he_o may_v do_v therein_o as_o he_o 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