Senescallus Domini Regis is next in these Laws that is to say The High Steward of Scotland and Allanus Senescallus Scotiae is very Famous in all the old Charters and he is still placed before the Constable and Marischal And it appears that the High Steward and the Steward of the Kings House were the same for those Laws mention only the Steward of the Kings House but now the Prince is Senescallus natus Scotiae Under him are there placed the Panetarius who commands over all the Bakers and Buttelarius who commands over all the Keepers of Taverns c. I find the Lord Souls was Buttelarius Scotiae in the Letter before set down Directed from the Nobility of Scotland to the Pope in the Reign of King Robert the Bruce And I have seen a Charter wherein Iohn and Thomas Murrayes sons to the Governour of Scotland Sir Andrew Murray were designed Panetarii Scotiae upon the Forfeiture of Iohn Cunning Earl of Monteith in anno 1348. which Earl of Monteith was formerly Panetarius Next to these are named in the foresaid Laws the Constable and Marischal But now the Constable and Marischal take not place as Officers of the Crown but according to their creation as Earls The Reason whereof I conceive to be because of old Offices did not prefer those who possessed them but they took place according to their Creation whereas now the Privy-Seal precedes all Dukes and the Secretary takes place before all of his own Rank But the Constable and Marischal being now the onely two Officers of the Crown that are Heretable in Scotland continue to possess as they did formerly But in France England and all other places the Constable and Marischal take place as Officers of the Crown and it seems very strange that these who Ride upon the Kings right and left Hand when he returns from His Parliaments and who guard the Parliament it self and the Honours should have no Precedency by their Offices And yet I cannot deny but that of old other Earls were placed before them for in the former Charter granted by King Alexander Malcolm Earl of Fife is placed before them And I conceive their Precedency has not risen of late to the same proportion with others Because of late Our Armies have been commanded by other Officers and so there was little use for the Constable and Marischal The Constable with Us in these Northern-Nations is the same Office that the Comes Stabuli was under the Roman Empire which may be confirmed by two clear Testimonies of great Antiquity one is of Aimon lib. 3. cap. 7. Land gesilis Regalium praepositus equorum quem vulgo Comes Stabuli vocant The other is from Rhegino lib. 2. Annalium Burchardum Comitem Stabuli sui quem corrupte Constabulum appellabis cum classe misit in Corsicam Though the Learned Cujac does believe that this Title comes from the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifies a company of Men of War ad l. unic de Comit. Tribun Scolar And there are some who derive it from the word Koning which signifies a King and Staple which signifies a Hold because some Constables were Commanders of the Kings Houses But I find that the High Constable did command the Kings Armies but was expresly debarred from commanding either His Houses or Garrisons as L'oiseau well observes lib. 4. cap. 2. Because says he It was a great power that one man should command both the Army and the Garrisons The Badge of his Office was and is a naked Sword which in the Roman Empire was the Badge of the Office Praefecti Praetorio and Trajan giving the naked Sword to Suro Licinius who was his Praefectus Praetorio gave it with these words Pro me si mereor in me Which words were thereafter put by Buchanan with a naked Sword upon the Money Coined during the Minority of King Iames the sixth The Constable with Us was by the Laws of King Malcolm cap. 6. Judge to all Crimes committed within twelve Miles to the Kings House or Habitation Though Skeen observes that the best Manuscripts bear only two Leagues But now his Jurisdiction is only exercised either as to Crimes or otherwise during the time of Parliament which some extend likewise to all general Conventions The Marischal is a German word and Office originally as the Learned Tillet proves fully a Marker of Camps and the Ax which he bears as the Badge of his Office was that Instrument wherewith he did break the Ground though now this part of his Office is delegated to the Marischal du Camp The Marischal commanded the Horse as Tillet proves whereas the Constable commanded both But yet our Learned Craig calls the Constable onely Praefectus Equitum And yet as Tillet observes the Marischal was not under the Constable else he could not be an Officer of the Crown For it is essential to all Officers of the Crown and Officers of State to depend upon none but the King Of old I find the Orders in Military cases run to Our Constable and Marischal The Office of Marischal has never been out of the Family of Keith But the Earls of Athol and several others have been Constables of Scotland And therefore it is that the Earl Marischal hath no other Title But the High Constable designs himself Earl of Errol We had no Knight Marischal in Scotland till King Charles the Firsts Coronation in anno 1633. at which time it was Erected by a Letter to the Privy Council by his Office he is to take place immediately after the younger Sons of Lords The Thesaurer is not mentioned amongst these Officers of the Crown under King Malcolm Keanmore and of old it has been thought but an Office of the Kings House For in a Confirmation granted to the Abbacy of Aberbrothick in anno 1529. by King Iames the fifth after Reverendissimis Episcopis and dilectis consanguineis are enumerate as Witnesses dilectis Familiaribus nostris Roberto Barton nostro Thesaurario Computorum nostrorum Rotulatore Nor do I find a Thesaurer designed as Witness in any of the Kings Charters till then though some foolishly think that Panetarius was Thesaurer And though the word Familiar Counsellour be now given to all Officers of State who are not Earls because they cannot be called Cousins Yet of old it was only given to those of the Kings own Family and was derived à Familia though now Familiar is thought to be the same with Intimate Till of late Thesaurer Comptroller and Collector of the Augmentations were three different Offices but now they are all joyned in one Comptroller is in the old Registers called Rotulator The Thesaurer takes now place as second Officer of State next to the Chancellor Next to the Thesaurer is the President of the Privy-Council After him the Privy-Seal but the Secetary is only first of his own Rank that is if a Duke the first Duke c. Of old the Secretary was a very Honourable Imployment For as
appoint Sheriffs in their place to command the Counties who are therefore still called Vice-comites Some were likewise appointed to command Towns and so these Comites Vrbium were of a meaner Degree than the Comites Provinciarum But now Earls who have their Designations from Towns are in the same Degree with those who have their Designations from Provinces Counts Palatine were such as had Office in the Kings Palace and had their name à Palatio as is clear by the whole Titles C. de Palavinis sacrar Largit tit de Castren Palatinorum peculio But it is fit to know that these Counts Palatin or Officers of the Palace differed in the Roman Law from Domestici for the Domestici these were properly and onely those who were of the Emperours guards as is clear by l. 3. c. de Protect Domest and Cujac upon that law The Counts Palatin in England were such as had Regal power within their own Jurisdictions nor do I in my reading find any Counts Palatin in Scotland save Walterus Palatinus de Stratherne who designs himself Atholiae Cathaniae Comes he gives his lands of Cortowhy to the Bishop of Brichen in anno 1429. And I believe the Reason why We have so few Counts Palatin in Scotland is because Our Lords of Regality have the same power But properly the Officers of the Kings house are onely now what the Comites Palatini were of old For Regulating the Precedency amongst Earles and Lords with Us K. Iames the 6. did grant a Commission to some Noblemen in March 1606. who upon Citation did pronunce the following Decreit according to which Decreit these Noblemen are at present Ranked and if any of the Noblemen therein prejudged do Reclaim they use to raise a Reduction of the said Decreit before the Session and Adject a Conclusion of Declarator Craving it may be found and declared that they ought to have Precedency from the Noblemen whom they therein cite This Decreet is from its Effect called the Decreet of Ranking whereof this is the Tenor. AT Edinburgh the 5th of March 1606. anent Our Soveraign Lords Letters directed Makand mention Forasmuch as His Majesty and the Lords of His Secret Council Considering the great contentions and differencies quilks many times occurrit and fell out amongst the Nobility of this Kingdom of Scotland anent the Precedency and Priority in Ranking and Voting in Parliament and general Councils and how that this their Contentions lay ever unremembred or agitat but at the very instance of their Meeting at His Majesties Parliaments and Coventions at whilk time there was greater matter of Impashment offered to the Estates to compone their Differences then to intreat upon the principal Subjects for whilk they were assembled His Majesty and the saids Lords therefore being careful to have this Contention removed and the contraversies and elists whilks arises amongst the Nobility for that cause settled and pacified wherethrow the Estates and Nobility being freed and relieved of such matter of Contention they may in Peace Love and Amity concur together and Deliberat upon such matters as shall be entreated and motioned in Parliament hereafter His Majesty for this effect has given his Highnes Commission under the great Seal to a number of His Nobility and who are most indifferent and no wayes suspect of partiality to conveen and call before them the hail Noblemen of this Kingdom of Scotland and according to their Productions and Verifications to set down every mans Rank and Place as in the Commission foresaid past under the great Seal at length is contained and anent the Charge given to Lodovick Duke of Lennox Iohn Marques of Hamilton George Marques of Huntly Patrick Earl of Orkney George Earl of Caithnes Alexander Earl of Sutherland Iames Earl of Murray Francis Earl of Errol George Earl Marishal David Earl of Crawfurd Iames Earl of Athol Iohn Earl of Montrose Iames Earl of Pearth Earl of Monteith Andrew Earl of Rothes Alexander Earl of Dumfermling Archibald Earl of Argyl Iames Earl of Glencairn Iohn Earl of Cassils Earl of Eglington William Earl of Angus William Earl of Morton Iohn Earl of Marr Alexander Earl of Lithgow Earl of Winton Alexander Earl of Home Simond Lord Fraser Edward Lord Bruce of Kinlosse Iohn Lord Forbes Patrick Lord Glames Iames Lord Ogilvy Alexander Lord Spynie Patrick Lord Gray Laurence Lord Oliphant Iohn Lord Murray of Tillibairn David Lord Scoon Iames Lord Lindsey Lord Sinclar Iames Lord Balmerinoch Patrick Lord Lindors Iames Lord Colvil of Culros Iohn Lord Fleyming Alexander Lord Elphingston Alexander Lord Stuart of Ochiltry Thomas Lord Boyd Allan Lord Cathcart Hugh Lord Lowdoun Robert Lord Semple Lord Pasley Iames Lord Abercorn Iohn Lord Maxwel Iohn Lord Harres Robert Lord Sanchar Lord Ross Iames Lord Carlyl Robert Lord Roxburgh Iames Lord Hay of Yeaster Lord Newbottle Iames Lord Thirlstain Iames Lord Torphichen Iames Lord Borthwick Thomas Lord Dirlton Lord Seaton And the Tutors and Curators of the saids Dukes Marquesses Earles Lords if they any have to have compeard before the saids Lords Commissioned at an certain day by gaine and to have brought and produced with them such Writs Evidents Documents and Testimonies as they have or can use for acclaiming that Rank and Place of Precedency and Priority challenged be them before others To have been seen and considered be the saids Lords Commissioners and they to have heard and seen their Ranks and place of Precedency and Priority appointed and set down be them according to their Antiquities of their Productions and that whilk should be verified in their presence and they and every one of them directed to take that place whilk should be appointed and prescrived unto them be the saids Commissioners as said is Certifying all such persons as should not compear themselves or their Procutors in their names That the saids Lords Commissioners will go on forward in setting down every mans Rank according to that which should be verified as said is and should proceed according to the several Instructions given be His Majesty to the saids Lords Commissioners for this purpose and the saids Lords Commissioners their Determination should stand in full force and effect aye and while an Decreit before the ordinar Judge be recovered and obtained in the contrar Likeas at more length is contained in the saids Lords Executions and Indorsations thereof which being called and divers Times and Dyets keeped to that Effect And the said Iohn Earl of Montrose Alexander Earl of Dumfermling Francis Earl of Errol George Earl Marishal and Alexander Earl of Lithgow Compearand personally and the said Alexander Earl of Sutherland compearand be Mr. Robert Learmont their Procutor and the said Earl of Marr compearand be Mr. Thomas Hope his Procutor the said David Earl of Crawfurd compearand be Laurence Scot his Procutor the said Andrew Earl of Rothes compearand be Mr. David Antoun his Procutor the said William Earl of Mortoun compearand be Mr. Thomas Learmond his procutor the said Earl of
Monteith compearand be Graham his Procutor the said Heugh Earl of Eglington compearand be Iohn Bell his procutor and the said Iohn Earl of Cassils compearand be Iohn Hamilton and Gilbert Ross and the said Andrew Lord Stuart of Ochiltry Iames Lord Balmerinoch Iames Lord Abercorn compearand personally the said Lord Lindsey of the Byres compearand be the said Mr. Robert Learmont his procutor the said Iohn Lord Forbes compearand be Iames Fogo his procutor the said Patrick Lord Glames compearand be Mr. Patrick Sharp younger his procutor the said Patrick Lord Gray compearand be Patrick Whyllie his procutor the said Iohn Lord Seaton compearand be Mr. William Livingston his procutor the said Allan Lord Cathcart compearand be George Angus his procutor the said Iames Lord Carlyl compearand be the said Robert Hamilton his procutor the said Robert Lord Sanchar compearand be Creichton his procutor the said James Lord Hay of Yester compearand be Mr. Iames Burchar his procutor the said Iohn Lord Harres compearand be Corbal Cunningham his procutor the said Iames Lord Torphichen compearand be Mr. Robert Learmont his procutor the said Lord Thirlstain compearand be Thomas Fleyming his procutor the said Alexander Lord Spynie compearand be the said Mr. Robert Learmont his procutor And the hail remanent Lords and Earles particularly abovewritten being oft-times called and not Compearand divers Terms and Dyets assigned to them for this effect the Writs Evidents Documents and Testimonies produced be the saids Persons compearand and every an of them acclaiming the Priority and Precedency before others being divers times and at divers Dyets very diligently and exactly Sighted Tryed Examined and Considered be the saids Lords Commissioners and the saids Lords therewith being as also with the Ranks and Places of such Earles and Lords as were Promoted and Created in His Majesties own time well and throughly Advised The saids Lords Commissioners has Decerned Decreited Appointed and set down and be these presents Decerns Decreits Appoints and sets down the Ranks and Places following to the hail Noblemen of the Kingdom to be Keeped Bruiked and Possessed by them in all Parliaments General Councils and publick Meetings hereafter In the first The saids Lords Commissioners Discerns and Ordains the Duke of Lennox to have the first place the Marques of Hamilton the second the Marques of Huntly the third because be the custom inviolablie observed in all Kingdoms the place of Honor amongst Nobility is first in the persons of Dukes and next Marquesses and then in the persons of Earles and Lords and next unto them the saids Lords Commissioners Discerns and Ordains the Earles abovewritten to have Bruiked and Possessed their Ranks and places according as they are here written Ranked and set down in Order following Viz. Angus Argyl Crawfurd Errol Marishal Sutherland Mar Rothes Morton Monteith Eglington Montrose Cassils Caithnes Glencairn Buchan Murray Orkney Athol Linlithgow Home Pearth Dumfermling and Dumbar And sicklike the saids Lords Commissioners Dicerns and Ordains the Lords particularly abovewritten to have Bruiked and possessed their Ranks and Places according as they are here Written Ranked and set down in Order following Viz. Lindsey Forbes Glames Fleyming Salton Gray Ochiltrie Cathcart Carlyl Sanchar Yester Semple Sinclar Harres Elphingston Maxwel Oliphant Lovat Ogilvy Borthwick Rosse Boyd Torphichen Pasley Newbottle Thirlestain Spynie Roxburgh Lindors Lowdoun Dirleton Kinloss Abercorn Balmerinoch Murray of Tillibairn Colvil Culrosse and Scoon And Decerns and Ordains all Earles and Lords particularly abovewritten to Keep Bruik and Posses their Ranks and Places in all times coming according to the Orders and Ranks abovewritten now set down Appointed and Prescrived to them and to make no Question Trouble nor Plea in this Matter to any appointed to have place and rank in the manner foresaid But prejudice alwayes to such Person or Persons as shall find themselves or their Interests prejudged be their present Ranking to have recourse to the ordinar Remeed of Law be Reduction before the Lords of Council and Session of this present Decreit recovered and of their due Place and Ranks be Production of more Ancient and Authentick Writs nor has been used in the Contrary of this Process Summonding all such persons thereto as shall think themselves wrongously Ranked and placed before them And in the mean time this present Determination to stand in full Force Strength and Effect ay and while the Party Interested and Prejudged obtain Lawfully an Decreit before the saids Lords of Council and Session as said is And Ordains these presents to be Insert and Registrat in the Books of Privy Council and an Authentick Extract thereof to be delivered to the Clerk Register and another Extract to be delivered to the Lyon-herauld to be kept be them for the better knowledge and Information of every mans Ranks and Place when the Occasion of their Ranking shall be Presented Extract de libris Actorum Secreti Consilii Act. 8. D. N. Regis Per me Jacobum Primrose Clericum ejusdem sub meo signo subscriptione manualibus It is fit to know that the Earl of Dowglas was by Act of Parliament Declared to have the first Vote in Parliament and the Carrying of the Crown and leading of the Vanguard But K. Iames did in anno 1582. prevail with that Earl to suffer the Duke of Lennox to carry the Crown for that time and in anno 1632. There is a Charter granted to the said Earl in life-rent and to his Son in Fee cum omnibus privilegiis c. specialiter cum privilegio aciem ducendi Coronam gerendi c. But in anno 1633. the said Earl being Created a Marquess it is Declared by Act of Council that he did quite priviledge of having the the first Vote in Parliament upon his Promotion And yet the Marques of Dowglas still pretends that any such Renunciation could not have prejudged the Family since the Granter of that Renunciation was onely a Life-renter his son having been in Fee I find there are some titles of Nobility in England annexed to places so that whoever is in possession of that place has right to the tittle Thus it was found in the case of the Lord Abergavenny that he in possession of the Castle ought to have the title albeit he be not Heir of Blood Their Reason is because it is a Barony-marchiere and it has been found that Baronies and Castles situate upon the Borders of Scotland and Wales belong alwayes to the Owners the words of the Tenour being per servitium Patriae custodiendae It is alleadged as one of the Reasons in that caise that the Owners of lands holding in capite per Baroniam have Precedency albeit they be not next Heirs The next Degree to the Earles is that of Viscount in Latin Vicecomes as being of old Lieutenant to an Earl Vicecomites olim dicibantur quibus castri Dominus Vices suas committebat seu executionem Iurisdictionis But afterwards Our King gave not the Government of Counties or Shires to Earles
Opinion that they are to be preferred to the same Dignity in all promiscuous and indifferent Acts which fall in during the time of the Representation and thus Cautuccius decis 582. is of Opinion that the Bishops Viccar sent by him to hold a Synod is to have Precedency before all the Chapter not onely in the Synod it self but likwise in all other Assemblies Visits and Intertainments during his Commission But the contrare of this is mantained by Menoch Consil. 51. And in my Opinion these Doctors may be thus reconciled viz. If the Representation flow immediately from the Law as for instance If the Council should Delegat any man to be Sheriff there the person substitut would have in all cases during his Commission the same place that is due to him in whose place he was surrogat for there Surrogatum sapit naturam surrogati But if the Representation flow from the person himself whom he Represents in that case the Representative has onely the Precedency whilst he is exercising the Office or in Actions thereto relating And thus Sheriff-deputs with us have onely the Precedency due to their Constituents whilest they are exercising these Acts which relate to their Office And yet I think that those Representatives of Subjects have even in all extrinsick and indifferent Acts the Precedency due to their Constituents when they meet with others of the same Degree and thus amongst Sheriff-Deputes c. the Precedency is to be given according to the Precedency that is due to the Principal Sheriffs QVESTION XXXIX What Precedency is due to Assessors appointed for Iudges and to extraordinary Iudges I conceive that Assessors chosen by a Judge get no Precedency thereby since Subjects cannot bestow Dignities but that where the Prince names any man Assessor to a Judicature the person so named has thereby the Precedency next to the Judge to whom he is named Assessor nam est ejus umbra his shadow as the Law speaks and the shadow should follow the body And with Us when the Council names Assessors to the Justices the Assessors vote onely after the Justices And yet in France I find that Assessors take place after the President and before the other Councellours and so it was decided at Paris 1608. It may be also doubted whether Our extraordinar Lords of Session who sit with and vote after the ordinar Judges should have place after them if they were not Earles or Noblemen as by the institution they are oblieged to be but not either as that the King may not promote Gentlemen hereafter quo casn I think they would take place after the ordinar as they vote after them For these extraordinar Lords are like to these adscriptitiâ— or allecti L. 2. C. ut dignit ord servetur of whom Capitolinus in the life of Pertinax quâ—m Commodus allectionibus innumeris praetorios miscuisset senatus consultum Pertinax fecit jussitque eos qui praeturas non gessissent sed allectione accepissent post eos esse qui vere praetores fuissent QVESTION XL. Whether can the King Creat now an new Earl and Ordain him to preceed all the former Earles or any such number of them as he pleases It would seem that the King cannot For there being a Precedency acquired to the former Earles by their first Gift the King cannot by any new gift prejudge third Parties and this were in effect to Forfeit them of their Precedency Likeas it would seem that since most Earldoms were granted by erecting lands in an Earldom in favours of the Receiver that therefore the Concessions of Land and Honours are of the same Nature and that no new grant can prejudge the one more then the other But it may be urged on the Kings part that the King being the onely fountain of Honour he may do therein as he pleases except in so far as he is limited by Law And therefore since there is no Law with us limiting the King in this point he may do therein as he pleases 2 o. The King by Act of Parliament Henry the eight is limited as to this point in England so that he can grant no such Preference And therefore it may be concluded that this was formerly in his power even there and that since he is not limited here his power is here intire as to this point whereof many instances are given in answer to quest 35. and since that statute it is thought that His Majesty may ordain the last Knight to preceed all the rest formerly dubb'd and created because Knights are not exprest in that statute 3 o. We see the King in Scotland does impower Countesses to retain their former Precedency though they marry a Husband of a Rank inferiour to their first Husband And Dukes Daughters even after their Marriage to retain the Precedency due to them as Dukes Daughters 4 o. His Majesty does by new Confirmations transfer the Honours to Hiers Female though the Patents at first were onely granted to Hiers male and so by the not existing of the Hiers Male those Earles who have the next Precedency might aswell alleadge That the King could not by any new right in favours of the Hiers Female prejudge them 5 o. His Majesty does sometimes appoint any of His Officers of State to preceed other as he pleases though these may likewise alleadge that there is jus quaesitum to them by their prior Gifts 6 o. His Majesty restores the Sons of persons forfeited to their Fathers Precedency notwithstanding of the jus quaesitum by others medio tempore 7 o. The King has oblieged himself not to prefer the Knights of Nova Scotia or Knights-Baronets otherwise then according to their Creation which had been unnecssar if the King could not have preferred them by His Royal prerogative Sometimes also His Majesty confirms to the Nobility the entails of their Estates whereby they have power to name their Successour with the Precedency due to themselves which right being ordinarly ratified in Parliament uses to establish and transfer the Precedency upon the Heir or Successour so nominated But since Ratifications pass without observation and oftentimes without reading it may be doubted whether such a Ratification should prejudge even these who were Members of Parliament but much more such as were not present or such as were Created thereafter these Ratifications not being properly publick and Legistative statutes and so can bind onely such as consented QVESTION XLI Whether if the King should creat an Earl with Precedency to all other Earles during his life Or if when an Earl is Forfeited will his Lady in either of these cases retain the Precedency she formerly enjoyed during her Husbands life To which it is answered That as to the first it was expresly decided in England in the case of the Earl of Notingham that he upon the surrender of the Admirals Office being by King Iames allowed the same Precedency that belonged to Iohn Lord Moubray his predecessour That therefore his Lady should enjoy the same Precedency
The speciality of Officers of State being That in all Acts or Meetings which concern the State they sit as Members by Vertue of their office as in Parliaments Conventions c. where the Chamberlain and Admiral come not as such nor the Constable and Marishal if they were not Earles The Officers of State have oft contended for Precedency amongst themselves And therefore King Iames did in Privy Council upon the 17. of Iune 1617. Declare That in that and all other Parliaments none should sit as Officers of State save eight and though there should be moe of the saids Officers by Deputation Division or otherwise Yet eight onely should sit which eight he did thus Rank by Act of Council Thesaurer Privy-Seal Secretary Register Advocat Justice Clerk Thesaurer-deput Mr. of Requests And yet His Majesty having appointed Sir Archibald Atchison to be second Secretary and he having contended that his place was to be next the principal Secretary This was Opposed by the Register and Advocat founding themselves upon the said Act of Council It was answered thereto That His Majesty might notwithstanding of the said Act have as many Secretaries as he pleased and by that His Majesty was only Limited to eight Officers of State in Parliament But that notwithstanding thereof he might make use of any eight he pleased and accordingly he had made use of the Chancellor Collector and Comptroller as Officers of State in several Parliaments notwithstanding that they are none of the eight Officers mentioned in this Act Likeas K. Ia. had appointed the Lord Chancellor being a Nobleman to sit amongst the Noblemen and not as Chancellor or an Officer of State The Council did remit this Debate to the King I find that upon the 20. of February 1623. the whole matter of Precedency amongst His Majesties Officers and Counsellors is thus Stated The Lord Chancellor The Lord Thesaurer The Arch-bishop of St. Andrews The Arch-bishop of Glasgow The Earles and Viscounts according to their Ranks Bishops according to their Ranks Lord Privy Seal Lord Secretary Lord Register Lord Advocat Lord Justice Clerk Lord Thesaurer-deput The Lords of the Session according to their Admission Barrons and Gentlemen being Counsellors according to their Admission It is observable from this Act that Lords of the Session have Precedency from Privy Councellors in Scotland otherwise any Counsellor of an elder Admission would be preferred to them And yet in England Privy Councellors are preferred to all the Judges and even to the chief Justices And with Us I find no Privy Councellor take place as such from any person whatsoever which seems very strange For since the Judicatur it self is placed before the Session and that its President hath Precedency from the President of the Session that therefore its Judges ought to preceed the Judges of the Session 2 do Though the Lords of Session are Lords of Council and Session yet there being Secret Councellors gives them a greater nearness and Argues a greater Trust And in all matters of Precedency these are the Chief Topicks for Precedency 3 o. In Law Counsellours are called by the Emperour Pars Corporis nostri l. quisquis C. ad L. Iul. Majest And so to assault them was Treason and is with Us. 4 o. In France this Question betwixt the Members Magni Concilii and the Senators of the Parliament of Paris is Debated by Boerius and he prefers the Counsellours And in Sweden they have place from all the Nobility 5 o. The Lords of Privy Council have more supereminent power then the Lords of Session For they can stop the Precedor of the Justices they can Adjourn the Session they can grant Precognitions moderat punishments c. Notwithstanding of all which such Respect has Our Kings to the Lords of Session who Distribute Justice Equally to the People that they still preferred them to all the Subjects except the Lords of Parliament and their eldest Sons It has been contended by the Younger Sons of Noblemen That they ought to have Precedency from the Lords of Session Because sayes the second Son of an Earl I have Precedency from the Eldest Son of a Lord and yet he has place from the Lords of Session and it is a certain Rule in Precedency That if I preceed you I must preceed him who preceeds you And if an Earles second Son and a Lords eldest Son and a Lord of Session did meet together the Earles second Son could not preceed the Lords eldest Son except he preceeded also the Lord of Session To which nothing can be answered save that the eldest Sons of Peers being presumptive Peers and such as will be Peers It is fit that the Lords of Session who have but a Temporary Precedency should not preceed them But I find that though in England the younger Sons of the preceeding Rank take still the place from the eldest Son of the next mediat as the younger sons of Dukes from the eldest sons of Earles and the younger Sons of Marquesses from the elder Sons of Viscounts And that all the Chain of Precedency is founded upon this Gradation and that it seems that Nature has led men to this Establishment Yet the eldest Sons of Our Lords Lord Barons refuse to Cede to the second sons of Earls and it was so of old with Us and that which may be given as a Reason for this is that it is unreasonable That they who are to be Peers and to have a constant Title should Cede to such as have but a Temporary Honour But if this Reason were sufficient the younger Sons of Dukes should not preceed the eldest Sons of Lord Barons With Us the eldest Sons of Lord Barons are Design'd Masters as the Master of Rosse c. And of old the Uncles of Lords after the Death of their elder Brother though he left a Son were called Masters till the Nephew had a Son For which I know no other Reason but that because they wanted a Tittle they took this For their Father being Lord there was no Degree below to take as the elder Sons of Earles took that of Lord. And I believe that thus the word Master was given in England to meaner People when their name was not known For though the word Dominus was refused by Augustus as importing Slavery which the Romans could not bear rather then from a secret Impulse as St. Augustin sayes In respect Our SAVIOVR was then Born who was the True Master since Sueton tells That Tiberius also refused this Title yet in Complement even then such as were not known were called Domini Obvios sayes Seneca si nomen non succurrit Dominos salutamus and thereafter with the Roman Slavery this Title grew from being a Complement to be a Duty And thus the Grecian Emperour was called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the eldest son 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and from this Title of Master came Meship amongst Us which was given to all such as had not a special Title as Lord Sir
in this Point For some have been of Opinion that those that are born before the Dignity was attained cannot pretend to the Precedency due to the Father for he cannot be said say they to be the Son of a King or Marquess whom a King or Marquess did not beget And since those who are born before a Crime is committed loose not their Dignity by the Fathers committing of the Crime So by the Rule of Contraries he who was Born before his Father was Advanced to a Dignity ought not to participat of that Dignity This they found likewise upon express Laws L. si Senatus Cod. de Dignitat L. Imperalis Cod. de Nupt. and thus Darius was preferred to be King of the Persians to Artabazanes Others do more justly conclude that these are to be Preferred though Born before the Dignity was obtained For if he who was Born in that Condition can be called the Kings Son he must be the Kings eldest Son And it were very absurd that the Father should be Noble and the Son not And if a King had but one Son he could not be King if this were allowed and this is most clear L. Senatoris Filium ff de Senat. where it is said That he is aswell to be called the Son of a Senator who was Begot before the Father was a Senator as he who was Begot after And though this be true as to Succession and as to the Degree of Nobility in general yet many Lawyers are of Opinion that they do not attain to so eminent a Degree of Nobility as if they had been Born after the Father attained to his Nobility For by the former Law si Senator natus ex illustri ante Dignitatem adeptam est clarissimus solum natus postea illustris Others there are who say That these who were Born before may succeed to Honours which descended from old Predecessors but those which were acquired in the Fathers own time should onely descend to such as were Born after these Honors were acquired But now generally in Europe and particularly with Us even those who were Born before the Father attained to any Dignity do participat of his Dignity as if they had been born after the same was acquired in all cases QVESTION XIV Whether ought a Son who is in publick Imployment and Dignified to Preceed a Father who is not It is answered That a Son being in publick Imployment ought to preceed a Father who is not And thus Fabius Maximus commanded his Father to light down from his horse when he was to meet him and was praised for mantaining the Dignity of the Roman Empire in this case And the Son in this case is not a private person but Represenrs the Prince or Common-wealth who are to be preferred to any person and therefore Laurentius Celsi was justly taxed at Venice because he would not meet his Son when he was newly made Duke of Venice least by being discovered before him he should lessen the Perogative of a Father But it may be doubted Whether though this hold in Employments it ought to hold in Titles since in these the Son Represents not the Common-wealth And therefore in these cases the Laws of Nature ought to prevail above the Laws of Honour especially if there be none present but Father and Son But if there be a third person present who will take the place from the Father but not from the Son then the Son must preceed the Father because though he yeeld to his Father yet he should not yeeld to a third Party And it is a general Rule in matters of Precedency that I must preceed you if I preceed him who preceeds you which is not unlike that Maxime used in other parts of Law qui vincit vincentem me vincit me QVESTION XV. Whether may he who has the Survivance of Imployment challenge any Precedency upon that Account To this it is answered That he cannot Claim any Precedency For though there be there the hope of Succession and that the person to succeed be in actu proximo and that likewise it may seem that he is advanced to a Dignity and so ought to have a Precedency suteable to it and that it may likewise seem fit for the Interest of the Commonwealth that these should be Respected and Preferred who are marked out for the Service of the Common-wealth Yet Law nor Custom have given them no Precedency for since they have actually no Dignity nor Power they ought to have no actual Precedency And thus it was found by the Parliaments of Paris and Tholows in anno 1551. 1560. that these who had Survivances were onely to be preferred according to the dates of their actual Admission And so these who were Admitted to be Councellours or Judges after they got their Survivance ought to have the Precedency from them if they did actually administrate before them vid. Maynerd Notabil quest cap. 72. Math. de afflict deciss Neapolitan 1. QVESTION XVI Whether does the Daughter of a Lord who would himself have been an Earl if he had lived take place from the Daughter of a younger Earl It may be alleaged that the Daughter of the Lord should not preceed because an Earles Daughter should still preceed a Lords Daughter and this Ladies Father was never an Earl nor are We to consider futur Honours in the matter of Precedency And as she would not take it in her Fathers time so neither ought she after his death And as her Father himself being a Lord though an Earles Son would not have taken place from the younger Earl so neither should the Lords daughter from the Earles daughter he being a younger Earl then that Lords Father And I find by the Heraulds Records in England that Sir Thomas Lees daughter got a Warrand from the King to take place as a Lords Daughter her Father having died before his Father the Lord Lee which proves that she could not have taken place otherwise and this is commonly receiv'd in England But yet it may be Debated That the Daughter of that Lord should have the Precedency since her Father would have been an elder Earl And though she could not take place during her Grand-fathers time who was the elder Earl yet per jus accrescendi and the right of Representation she comes after her Grand-fathers death to be the Daughter of the elder Earl for Honour is but a part of Succession and therefore as she might have right to her Fathers Succession if she have not Brothers she may by the same reason have Right to the Honours And it were very ridiculous to Argue so as that her elder Brother if she had any might take place as an Earles Grand-child and that she could not take the same place as his Sister and consequently since he would take the place of that younger Earl so should she of that younger Earles Sister or Daughter And the Reason why she comes to a higher Degree of Precedency by the death of her