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A96895	A just account of truth and peace, given-in by brethren, lovers of and fellow-helpers to both, wherefore they must open their matters to the view of the world, speaking them, in their respective places, as upon the house-tops, which else had been spoken in darknesse privately, and as in the eare.	Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675.	1656 (1656)	Wing W3493; Thomason E868_5; ESTC R207686	17,576	27

A just Account Upon the Account of truth and peace given-in by Brethren lovers of and fellow-helpers to both wherefore they must open their matters to the view of the world speaking them in their respective places as upon the house-tops which else had been spoken in darknesse privately and as in the eare They take away the righteousnesse of the righteous from them Isa 5. 23. Every day they wrest my words Psal 56. 5. Which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest as they also doe other Scriptures 2 Pet. 3. 16. Wee are made manifest unto God 2 Cor. 5. 11. LONDON Printed according to Order for Henry Cripps in Popes-head-Alley 1656. TO THE READER WEE are angariated wee make bold with that Persian word our English being so short in our seeming to expresse the enforcement that lyeth upon us compelled as one was to beare the Crosse or as a tired horse to goe his Stage so we to put-forth our matters as we intend to doe one after another for others to judge betwixt us and a Minister of Mr Hs perswasion in Reference to the Discipline of Gods House free Admission of all to all Church-Communions It is possible and but after the manner of men and more ordinary with such as we are to judge amisse of our own performances too partially and fatherlike for libri quasi liberi books are like children we over-look their faults or we deal too tenderly with them as others may too rashly and rigedly Therefore as things now stand the world must judge betwixt us or as many of them as are fitted with patience to sit out the hearing of so meane matters as they are acted by us as mean as the meanest and may be presented to their eye and eare in their order and respective places Meane we say as acted by us but in their relation to the house of God the Church of the living God the management of matters by the Steward 's there they may appear to be matters high and Glorious just according to the manner they are mannaged if after the due order then high and glorious if otherwise then low and inglorious Now be not discouraged Reader at our meannesse though so meane wee are as thou canst think us We would gladly suppose thee a blessed man the bent of whose Spirit is such that he cannot stirre or make the least motion against the Truth And then it is a blessed comfort to this blessed man to thee if thou be hee that though wee should put forth our strength not ingorantly onely but wickedly which through grace is as far from us as wee would have that to be which is an abomination to us against the truth yet we shall never prevail against it which undoubtedly will be the great Conquerour at last is gaining every day luster and Glory by our most inglorious actings against it Questionless it is ventilated winnowed and purged by the blastings of men of corrupt minds upon it surely it is cleared from the dross which would cleave to it passing through so many heated hands and fiery mouths as so many fining pots though intended by man utterly to extinguish and consume it oh the glorious advantages truth hath gained all along these feirce and perilous times while errour sate in state or as we may say in its Throne like to be as might be conceived by some a perpetuall Dictator against it It is the Lords doing is it not marvelous in your eyes But to stay thee no longer we come to our case which in brief is this we were desired so wee would rather say than charged or commanded wee should be judged else to walke by a fancy in the matters of our Lord by a Minister of the same perswasion with a world but argumentum pessimum turba commonly the most are worst of Ministers to give our reasons for our dissent from him in point of free admission of all to all Church Communions upon account of their infant Baptism As also to the declaring against the observation of the day wee will call because we would be understood Christmas Day in reference also to forms of prayer and in speciall to the Lords prayer and foure Queries thereupon These foure Treatises for so wee have digested them with three Epistles together with an introduction holding forth by way of preface the way of Christ with His people and their walke with Him by the guidance of his good Spirit in the directions of His Word these wee were saying wee sent to the said Minister one after another as wee could take a transcript of the same some two months after he returned us the Epistles Preface and first Treatise of Baptisme with some exceptions against some expressions or passages in all three whereunto we thought our selves bound upon the account of truth to make some Reply whereof you may be judge if please you For truely our Humours or our principles the one or both are so contrary that though we are bound to judge our selves yet neither must wee nor will wee be judged in our matters though indeed we think them to be right and well agreeing with the Word of God if that said Minister fixed in Mr H s way and firme to his perswasion be in an errour as to these matters Quickly after the receite of this our Reply to his exceptions as aforesaid he returned together with that Reply the three other Treatises all he had or would receive from us whereas there were three more in our hands in a readinesse for him with so much heate as might argue his spirit somwhat discomposed Notwithstanding though some might think here was some offence given in returning our Papers wee expected no more than wee doe the returne of our waters where they neither ebb nor flow yet truely there was no offence taken they were received and little regarded by us having as wee said a transcript of them Some three weekes after the said Minister asked one amongst us whether wee had looked into our papers he had returned to us answer was made no he bad us look into our Treatise of prayer wherein our endeavour and care was to be studiously curious and there wee should see what his son had written Wee did as hee desired and quickly found his sons handy work for some leaves together as pleased him or him that appointed him false glosses unjust constructions the blackest lines did that young man draw-over ours in many places and at length down-right blasphemy charged he upon us Whereat we were startled a little at present not because the son of that Minister charged us so deeply for he was as some say very youthfull till of late when the hands of the Presbytery were laid upon him what change was wrought upon him at that time or since that day they should know who live neere him heare his Doctrines and see his practise But youthfull he was as is said after the manner of young folk and then as Paul said all in him

Ironically if we can understand you 3. But Sir to let these scornes passe with contempt from us enough if not with as much sorrow from our hearts for you Is it possible That you a Master in our Israel and a Steward in God's House should be such a stranger to this Thing The way of Christ with His people followiug on in His steps No more Yet Sir we take leave to aske you why would you put your selfe to all the cost of time and Spirits in returning your Answer to such a light and Frothy Tenet which might be brooded upon some few yeares since but hatched but a few months agoe Had any of us been as youthfull frolicke and venturous as your sonne is twenty to one wee had written Blasphemie anent those very words but blessed be God we are better taught and have not so learned Christ 4. But indeed Sir however you may be informed or wholy mistaken in your information your Answer was not desired therefore not expected It was enquired onely whether Mr Owen of whom we had heard hee is asking the way to Zion with his face thitherward therefore wee enquired whether he had any sight or knowledge of our papers or intimation about them Onely so which might argue us more carefull than wee now are or see cause to be about that matter Yet be it knowne unto you we would rather heare three words in Reference to our matters from him or any other of those fix we addressed our selves unto in our Epistle so be they be not of your perswasion than three thousand words from you And we more than hinted our Reason wherefore in the same place Therefore Sir you might have saved your selfe that labour had it pleased you for we know full well what manner of answer we should have from you of the same perswasion with Mr H and paceing or driveing together as friends in the same way And Truely Sir we thinke it a little strange that you could imagine that we could put any account at all upon any answer from you in the same way with him so often mentioned unlesse you had some hope to bring us over to that way which so many finde without seeking 5. Wee applied our selves to those worthy men your good neighbours and friends as we are informed the manner of peaceable men is to doe But seeing it pleased them not as you say neither th● one nor th' other to meddle in these matters controverted betwixt us least as the Proverb is They should take a dog by the eares being of the same minde as may be conceived as one was who said he alwayes hated two kinde of studies Studium partium et studium novarum rerum Now our matters are novell say you for it was never heard of in the world since the world was till now adayes 1 That all grossely ignorant and studiously wicked the chiefe head of our controversie are not to be admitted to the Lord's Supper That is a novell Tenet an yester dayes fiction so also is this 2 They that have received Christ must walke in Him even as He walked That a Gospell light should be adorned and beautified with a Gospell life a walke or conversation as becommeth the Gospell of Christ 3 That the stewards in Gods House should looke well to this before they admit to Gospell Communions 4 For that every man is guilty of all the evill which he hath power and a call to hinder A beame from our new light all this which made not the least glimmering in our world till of late some months or few yeares agoe You may pardon this digression We returne to that wee were saying which was this That sith it pleased not those much honoured men to meddle in these matters we are well pleased though we made tender thereof unto them and not displeased much lesse discouraged at all That it is refused for possibly the controversie must not be taken-up in so silent a way 6. Besides which is our Confidence and makes us humbly bold we have a God in Christ to goe unto who is our Prophet to speake to us as well as our Priest to speake for us our Oracle as well as our Advocate He will take us by the hand and teach us how to goe so long as by His grace with us we beg nothing more earnestly of Him and finde it in our hearts to be as unwilling to tread one step wandring sheep though we are out of His way as is a wearied traveller to goe out of his And possible also we had not stood so fast in Him with our eye so fixed upon Him and our-foote in His way as now we doe and through His grace shall doe which loves to strengthen His weakest ones To magnifie His owne power in them and with them when their's is * God loves to shew the world what His strength can doe in a weak creature as well as what His Grace and Me●cy can doe for a sinful creature 〈◊〉 Caryl on Job 6. 11. 475. gone had we not from our first footing the way of Holinesse and all along to this Day felt many shockes and as many contempts contumelies and reproaches cast upon us and the way no man st●nding by us the while no not a man of Name for learning and pietie And which is almost as bad but God will make all good and even this best of all You that are a steward in God's house and should like a good steward take them into your bosome whom your Lord and Master is pleased to take by the hand that is To give speciall helpe unto you are so farre from doeing this That you doe little lesse than maintaine a war against them we meane all them all over the Land that desine to walke with a right foote according to Gospel-order in Church-Society For what are we that we should complaine in our own behalfe which exceedingly gladdeth the hearts of the wicked who ' love to have it so and so their hand is strengthened mightily and their foote stablished in their owne way of sin and Death But what though and things stand thus God is in the midst of His people He stands by them and will strengthen them and in His owne time best for His people He will raise them they shall not still lie in the Dust of Debasement His Jewells shall be made-up which now lie as in the mire trod under-foote which is permitted and not barely so and no more for Gods permission is a providence and that is active to drive His people out of themselves from putting any * Self Dependance looseneth from God D. Preston confidence in the flesh That their hope may be set on Him which is setleing Who raiseth the dead For commonly so it is The more we have of the creature the lesse we have of God because the fuller sight we have of the creature the lesse we looke after Him not apprehending out needs of Him who fills all measuring-forth

presence of the Father So we returne to you and This onely we would say Enquire we pray you at your Oracle we meane not your selfe for if we counted you an Oracle as you say we did we see we were mis-taken Yet because we think vvee did not vve vvill not aske pardon vve pray you enquire of Gods Word That Oracle whether you being the father of the Childe should not have seene what the Childe had written Supposing you had so done It will be supposed also we thinke that for Blasphemy you would have Commanded him to have written Errour Yet that would have been too heavie a Charge too upon these words against which blasphemy stands charged That the Lords-prayer is a dead letter for had there been a Spirit of life and quickning in those words commonly said with the speed of a good Clarke by Ministers of your perswasion way and judgement what a growne and Tall-man in Christ had your Son been by this time of the Day being taught this prayer in his Cradle by your owne Confession using it upward all along and at this very day saying it now very Clarke-like in the Pulpit so tenaciously he holds to that the manner of us all he had learn't in his Cradle And Truely Sir others may think you your selfe had made clearer Demonstrations of the good Spirit speaking in you had the words of that prayer been Spirit and life unto you having said it so often in our hearing at th' end of your owne Well Sir but if this be so as your Son saith The Lords prayer is a quick'ning letter and he that saith contrary blasphemeth then you doe well and your bounden dutie as we Country-folke say teaching it your Children yet our perswasion is from the premises so from this also which followes That it cannot be as your Son saith That this said prayer should be Spirit and life while yet the most vile and wicked persons in the world say it every day for few say any other and most solemnely on the Lords day after you when you say it We commend your Son to your care and good counsell he stands in great need of it And we pray for you That you may stand in Gods Counsell SECT VII BUt these two things we are Commanded to tell you and so an end of this matter First That had an elder and wiser man than your Son charged Ab ineunt aetate suâ lusil in art dialecticâ nunc in sacris scriptum insanit our book in that manner it would have reminded our Pastour of one he hath read of some where who when he was young made himselfe merry with his Sophistrie and afterwards when he waxed old shewed himselfe mad in Divinity and so sported with the sacred Scripture also Secondly That you never stirred the Coales till now yet doe we not now much lesse have we so done shew the least heat which you call fire against you or your Son whether our bowells are not stirred with compassion over you both the Lord knowes Though yet against those blacke and horrid doings in God's house we have declaimed with zeale not enough yet we hope that which was was according to knowledge So also against the Observation of the Day commonly called christmas-Christmas-day Against this and th' other since you have raised us like an huge Bell we will make the Sound thereof our cry against it and free admission of all goe forth through the whole Land as the Sound of Mr Hs Bookes have done wee will doe our Endeavour and the Lord God doe what is good in His owne eyes for if this may prove a damnable opinion in the issue That all are to be admitted to the Lords Table how notorious soever for their deboysery And this also That the Day should be kept holy which hath not the Lords Sanction upon it Then we see not but that there may be a damnable silence which is the thing in question betwixt your selfe and us and will fall into consideration in its respective place in those who should oppose them Every one must give account of his idle words and a Minister for his idle silence saith that worthy man Mr W Jinken We have given our perswasion also touching formes of prayer and in speciall resolved some Queries about the Lords Prayer not so much as blameing much lesse Censuring or judgeing them that use formes or that forme of prayer at the end of their's Wee have given the reasons of our perswasion why we thinke it not so comely When wee have your Reasons for your doeings in that and other matters which we will not be so bold as you might be with our Pastour so much as to entreate of you possibly we may be of your minde in these things but we thinke it no easie worke for you to give us any thing that hath the shape of Reason thereby to make such proofe of your doeings in Reference to those matters under-hand that they are ordered according to the mind and will of your God We will conclude with a few words to those Ministers that sense with Mr H● and walke together with him in his way in point of Church-Administrations 1 That some witts will adventure to make a faire cover even of the very sacred Scriptures for the most deformed and grossest errours among which we doe reckon this relating to free admission of all to all Church-Communions 2 And that a sad account will be given of that time and of those parts which have been laid-out in the patronage of such matters that lie cleane Crosse to the graine of Truth For it is as sinfull to use that learned mans words upon Job to sew Job 11. 530. fig-leaves or make faire pretexts to cover the nakednes of our opinion as of our practises Therefore he that can receive it let him receive it Prov 30. 32. If thou hast done evill in listing-up thy selfe or if thou hast thought evill or maintained evill lay thy hand upon thy mouth Speake no more never be an Advocate in a bad cause though it be thine owne When our errours are shewne us as these have been in Reference to free Admission by foure as was said one after another we should not open our mouths unlesse it be to renounce and disclaime them But we have done And that we may be still doing and be sure to doe our duty let us pray each for other The Lord deliver us from Evill The guidance of our owne Spirits as bad and worse to us than is that of the world And give us a sound minde whether the body be sound or unsound no great matter The sound mind is all the Mind that was in Christ and is in all sound Christians And this labour of Love and worke of Faith is but full-up to that lovely rule Whom we Reprove openly we should pray for secretly AMEN FINIS

or don by him was childish while he was a child so happely in the next step of our life which is youth he that is a youth thinks as a youth speaks as a youth acts as a youth all in him or don by him is youthfull that is subject to miscarriages and mistakes therefore wee as wee were saying regarded little what the son said speaking of his own nor can wee think it strange that a youth should act like a youth every age of our life having something peculiar to its self But this we think strange That the son charged our book so in the presence of his father and where two learned and pious Divines as is meete for us to judge were present at the same time whose names wee shall mention in the ensuing papers You have heard our case wee will detaine thee no longer when wee have added this That having offered our matters succeslesly to that Minister returning them with such a castigation as the like wee think hath not been heard or read though wee were charged by him to give him our perswasion and the reason thereof in reference to the matters aforesaid we find our selves constrained to make our matters publick which we doe the more cheerfully being confident of this thing That there is nothing here or in that which may follow after which is against piety or charity for wee had rather our bones should be scattered like chips about the hewing-place than that our pen which hath the advantage of the tongue more hearers should as others doe in this scribling age scatter errour and wickednesse among the people as the Scorpion its poyson Wee trust the Good Hand of Him our onely leane-to and that leads into all truth so far as that wee hope you shall find Truth all along and mannaged in our measure as becometh sons of truth and fellow-helpers of the same This Good Spirit direct your heart to the love of Christ which onely is constraining to love Truth and peace and to keepe both as thou keepest the apple of thine eye or thy chiefest Treasure Amen In the Name and by the appointment 10. 5. 55. of their Pastour HEZEKIAH WOODVVARD SECT 1. TRue is the Proverb Sir The beginning of strife is as when one lets-out water stirred quickly not so quickly stinted so like water it is of a spreading nature or as like unto fire which may breake-forth from a bramble and devour a Cedar There is no such feare of our fire as you are pleased to call it though being now let-out it may spread like water and so it shall doe if wee can help the spreading of it That it may appeare how and where it began with the rise and originall of it how it was raised yea forced From whence you may learne and studie to be quiet and meddle in your own matters walking peaceably in your owne way so pleasing in your owne eyes And not meddle with others in theirs fully resolved from the word of God to be the way of Truth and of Holinesse Surely it had been no contemptible point of your wisdome and might have argued good Discretion To have left this contention before it was meddled with which to render according to th' originall you may better skill of than we Onely this we would say as to the stirring in this strife againe That wee did not use lightnesse nor did wee purpose according to the flesh never more to meddle therein for so we said to you in our last intending it the last you should ever have from us either by Letter word or otherwise in reference to those matters under Debate For as wee said then To what end we had given our opinion as you willed us and there might have been an end Wee have experienced this Truth That Errour is as binding upon the Conscience and as strongly embraced by the affections as Truth is binding of us and Embraced by us not in the name of an Errour but of Truth And men are therefore wedded to and in love with their owne Conceptions because how monstrous and hard-favoured soever in themselves yet nothing is more beautifull in their eye than they No man saith the Apostle ever hated his owne flesh but loveth and cherisheth it The flesh of our minds such are all false principles and positions is more loved and cherished by us than the flesh of our Bodyes A light intimation we proceed in his words upon Iob 22 verse or onely the appearance of a probability will amount to a proof against either persons or doctrines which we like not But the clearest Demonstration will hardly raise a jealousie against what we like You have given Sir we feare a very sad experience of this very thing For how stubborne and unmoved are you from Mr H s his errour in point of admission of all filthinesse all over and wallowing therein as swine in the mire admitted notwithstanding to all Church-Communions the Lords Supper and all Though the strongest winds of Truth have breathed yea blowne hard upon it That you might not be willingly ignorant of this very thing and withall to shew our deare respects unto you wee told you That foure Worthies of the Lord had Encountred with Mr H s about the premises and with as much ease to phrase it as one doth and with like successe as the fire doth the dried stubble and yet he stubbornely holds to it for ought we know we know you doe remaining in the same minde with him that foreforne man Generally we think deceived by the Godly all over the Land as a Mountaine unmoved to this very houre Wee know not which is worse but leave it to you to judge Vnsetlednesse in the Truth and an Easinesse to let it goe or tenaciousnesse in an error and an hardnesse to let it goe Nor doe we know well which is worse a readinesse to take up hard thoughts of our Brethren or unreadinesse to lay them downe onely this we know Were the lawes of Zeale for God observed and of Love to man you could not as we thinke Despise the day of small things or rhe least breathings or faintest endeavours of any how meane and weake soever as babes in Christ use to be enquiring after Truth and that old but now forsaken way of holinesse Asking the way to Zion with their faces thetherward saying Come c. Ier 50. 5. And did you observe the Law of Charity to man it would cause you to examine every ground of suspicion against a Brother twice before you did indeed suspect him once And you would rejoyce in any appearance of his innocence whereby you might discharge your owne Spirit of all suspicions concerning him These words we hope will not be as wind with you though ours are and have been to this time Therefore as we said we had sorborne to speak nay we doe forbeare to speake more unto you unlesse you happen to light on it but forbeare to speake we may not we cannot for

thus it was as you very well know SECT II. YOu would needs point us to something your Son had written for that Title better becomes us though Childe better befits him in our Treatise of prayer as if you would have us take speciall notice thereof which indeed we have done for so a providence cast it else we had not looked into it having a Transcript of the same but upon your motion you telling us where we should find your son's hand we quickly turned to it and found as you said taking as you willed-us speciall notice thereof Not because your Son did write it but because you his Father suffered him so to doe against th' old and knowne rule of Civility as Schollars would say and of all good manners too which you could not have suffered to be done it is our perswasion had you not had a vile account of our Pastour who was chiefe if not alone in that worke See! when a father contemneth a man but what is the Contempt of a man suppose it little or much or how small a thing is it with him to be accounted vile in another's eyes who is we hope yet more vile in his owne but see when a Father vilifieth a man his Son indulget sibi latius will vilifie him much more and venture so arrogant and bold youth is to passe judgement in those matters which he understandeth not so well now as he whom your Son so rashly judgeth and dealeth so as some would say withall as to say He blasphemeth understood them before your Son was borne But all this argueth your high Confidence That the Truth in those points to which our Debate relates is on your side Be it so though it be but your Confidence the same with Mr H yet to charge us our Pastour specially so deeply for maintaining the Contrary You giving a Charge to speake our minds and to make them legible in those matters is as some have said but one peg at the most below impudence And this is all we will say in this place telling you what some say and haply they would adde though we forbeare Onely we would leave you after you shall have heard more to passe sentence on your selfe and your son for this behaviour We will turne aside from this a little and returne to it at the last so soone as we have taken-in three or foure things first for so you have thought fitt we had almost said to face us yea to force us SECT III. WEE as we were saying fully intended to cease the strife sith it hath proved such a thing and to leave the Debate with Him the Judge of all the world and know's the hearts of all men who will we hope shew you and us in His owne best time Who hath spoken much and in desire and Endeavour as much to purpose who hath said little in Comparison and yet lesse to the matters under hand And yet should you be able to putt off all with that old putt-off whereto some thing will be replied anon after multa dicit nihil probat The man speaks much and proves nothing or nothing concludingly and so folly is with us for your charge of Blasphemie yours which you suffered to be charged is too high why yet supposing all that The errour is on our side and Truth on yours which were strange if not impossible you sideing with M Hs and driving-on with him in the same way Notwithstanding we faint not in our minds For our matters are humbly committed to th' onely wise God Who is able and we are Confident He will make emprovements out of folly on whose side soever it be and give advantage to His Truth by the breaking-out of Errour and falsity As it is one of the highest acts of Grace so one of us have read in man to render good for evill so is it one of the highest acts of power to draw good out of evill Upon this God All sufficient we waite He alwayes hitherto hath extracted the cleane thing of His Glory as one saith upon Daniel out of the filthinesse of Man's sin our Confidence is He will doe so now He brought light out of Darknesse at the first marveilous in our eyes not hard and difficult to Him By His Grace wee will Trust Him He will make a blessed yea a Glorious method of these Cursed Confusions caused by Mr Hs in His house and notwithstanding all is said against it by learned and godly men maintained by you 2. And Sir That we may tell you our boastings in our God our hope being set on Him This good is come of it already which wee will call a good blessing wee meane of this Debate in Reference to free Admission of all to all Church-Communions upon account of their Infant Baptisme onely without making so much as a profession of their Faith and repentance your Brothers conceit Wee were saying This good is come of it That we are aboundantly satisfied as to the Negative hearing it as clearely made out unto us from the word of God as if it had been written with the Sun-beames And by the helpe of His Grace we shall hold unto it while life is held within us being the more confirmed if more can be and our foote more established in that way by that little or nothing you have said against it for you have said all for Mr Hs and not a word for the way of Holinesse so as neither your selfe nor all the men of your way and judgement though so numerous that they fill the Countries no good argument of their goodnesse or the straightnesse of their way can be able to draw us aside from this way God hath pointed us to leadeth us in and you called us sorth to maintaine notwithstanding the shockes against it scornings and blastings upon it and upon us for the way's-sake not more able we were saying to draw us from it than ye are able to remove a mountaine from it's roots or stay the Sunne in it's Course or blow it out with a paire of bellowes So strong is Truth and so strong are all they that by the good Hand of their God are stablished therein Wee adde this more This Truth you accounting it an Errour and of the latest Date called us forth to maintaine how weakly soever maintained by us as you say and we doe not gaine-say shall be glorious notwithstanding for it needs not our patronage in the eyes of the Lord and of His people when your loose and more than airy Tenet against it The same with Mr Hs shall be for an hissing unto both To use worthy Mr Palmers words Though yet you are pleased to call it This Truth avouched by us we meane The sicknesse of our fancy a Novell thing never heard off in the world till now of late yeares and had dyed in the vessell had not we broached-it or set it a tap as we may say in the place we live-in To that purpose you speake and so