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A48306 A case of conscience, concerning the sacrament of the Lords Supper when either the bread or wine is wanting, or when there is a desire, yet with an antipathy to them, or debilitie to receive them / proposed to John Ley ... Ley, John, 1583-1662. 1641 (1641) Wing L1871; ESTC R20557 14,265 28

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when with the coldnesse of the winter that went before their Vines were killed I conceive with humble submission to the judgement of the Church that rather then we of England should generally want the Sacrament untill new Vines had brought forth new increase wee might well receive the Sacrament in some of the better sort of our usuall drinks but not in water onely though that were mingled in the sacred Cup at the consecration as g Neque aliud fiat a nobis quam quod pro nobis dominus prior feceret ut calix qui in illius commemorationem offertur mixtus vino offeratur Cypr. Epist 63. pag. 85. col 1. aqua p. 86. col 1. Cyprian confidently affirmeth and h Probabiliter creditur quod dominus Sacramentum hoc instituerit in vino aqua permisto Aquin. part 3. Quest 74. art corp Artic. so also Chemnit saith verisimile est Christum vinum non merum sed temperatum bibisse Chemnit exam Trid. part 2. pag. 170. col 1. others more warilie deliver upon probable conjecture and that for these two reasons First because as i Calix tuus inebriat Ps. 22. aqua non inebriat Cyp. ep 63. p. 86. c. 1. St. Cyprian sheweth the drinke of the Sacrament must be a drinke of some vigour as able as water is not to inebriate though not in so small a quantitie as is commonly taken by every single receiver Secondly our Saviour consecrated the Sacrament not simply in wine as it was wine but in wine and water as the usuall drink of that Country as Beere or Ale is with us as k Dominus Sacramentum hoc instituebat in vino aqua permista secundum morem istius terrae Aquin. part 3. Q. 74. Art 6. Corp. Artic. Aquinas conceiveth and no man contradicteth him in it nor doe I know any reason why any one should doe so And upon these reasons it might if the Church gave way unto it be warantable enough rather to make a supply where there is an unexpected fayling of wine at a great Communion with some other liquor analogicall to it then to send many away with halfe the Sacrament If it be said that in case of want of wine Object to take common drinke would bring the Sacrament down to a common and contemptible conceit as by dealing the Sacramentall bread out of a common Basket some people tooke a loathing of the communion as was objected against the Vicar of Ratsdale in the l Conference at Hampton Court p. 95. Answ conference at Hampton Court It may be answered first that no such ill effect hath been observed in the places where wine is by custome the common drinke of the Countrey as in Judea France c. Secondly That the Sacrament of Baptisme Answ 2 is received in a more ordinary and common element by farre for what is more common then water whereof every beast may drinke and wherein he may set his foot and yet is Baptisme generally received as an holy and honorable ordinance Thirdly Answ 3 for that scandall at distribution of the bread of the Sacrament out of a basket I say It consisted chiefly in this that the Minister m Ibid. suffered as in the Conference is said each man to put his hand into the basket and to take his own part of the bread In that being but a private Minister he made an Innovation for the worse and withall a kinde of schisme from other Churches But if there had been Authoritie for carrying the bread in such a basket it had been no prejudice to the dignitie of the Sacrament nor to his discretion that so used it nor had such scandall ensued upon it Saint Hierome highly commendeth m Sanctus Exuperius Tholosae Episcopus viduae saraptensis imitator Esuriens pascit alios ore pallente Jejunijs fame torquetur aliorum omnemque Substantiam Christi pauperibus erogavit nihil illo ditius qui corpus domini Canistro vimineo sanguinem portat in vitro Hieron ad Rustic Monach. de vivendi fama tom 1 pag. 49. prope finem Epist pag. Exuperius Bishop of Tholouse for his great charitie and mortification and for his great estate also and yet saith he hee carried the Lords body in a wicker basket and his blood in a glasse Meaning the materialls of the sacrament bread and wine The reason why this good man carried the Sacrament in such meane vessells whereof the Reader may have some scruple by the way was not out of any contempt or disrespect of it but that thereby he might the better drive the sinne of covetousnesse out of the Church as Hierom implyeth when he o Sanguinem portat in vitro qui avaritiam ejecit è templo Hieron Ibid. saith in the same place and the next words after that he excommunicated avarice out of the Church but this but by the way Yet I confesse though I thus plead when I was once unhappily put to a Non plus for Wine in the administration of the Sacrament by the Church-wardens default I durst not piece up the defect with any ordinary drinke because I wanted the direction of Authoritie to induce me unto it so that I incline to conforme to a third opinion which is a kinde of Medium betwixt those two Viz. neither to substitute other elements as Calvine Beza Polanus and others would have it nor wholly to forbeare or debarre others from the receipt of the Sacrament as p Indeed some Doctors of the reformed Churches have conceived that such as cannot receive so much as a drop of wine by their Antipathy to wine should altogether abstaine from the orall receiving of the Sacrament because they cannot receive it in both kinds Dr. Featly in his conference with Mr. Everard pag. 268. marg out of Jacob Rhemig some other Protestants have conceived most convenient when bread and wine or either of them cannot be had but if there be either an Antipathy against either kinde or want of either to be content with that which may be had and taken and this is the Judgement not only of Papists as of q Multi abhorrent a vino vel natura abstemij sunt vel educatione in calidioribus regionibus assuescunt enim pueri puellae etiam nobiles aquae potui unde multipostea etiam in matura aetate non possunt absque nauseâ vinum gustare Quid ergo isti facturi sunt abstinebunt a communione perpetuo at id non licet per divinas leges Bellar. tom 3. l. 4. de Euchar. chap. 24. pag. 295. Bellarmine besides many more concluding so in the case of such as are abstemious cannot abide the taste of wine but of many Protestants also of whom he nameth r Brent in confessione Wittenburge 2. part 2. pericopes apud Bellar. Ibid. Brentius only and blameth s Quis dedit Philippo authoritatem mutandi Sacramentorum materiam Bellar. ubi supra Melancton for too much