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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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Light which is Christ which he hath enlightned them withall and he that loves the Light brings his works to the Light and there is no occasion of stumbling to him that walks in it and loves it and this Light is not a Chapter without which the Teachers of the World read Thou that hatest this Light thou hast it it lets thee see that all thy Deeds are evil if thou bringst thy works to it it will reprove thee Iohn 3. ●0 and this is the condemnacion of the World and here every one hath a Teacher whose mindes are informed Iohn 8. 12 to that in every mans conscience do I speak which should exercise it which shall eternally witness me and eternally condemn thee and you all who are haters of Light and what hast thou to do to talk of Iohn and of Christ and of the Churches and of the Angels and knowest not the first Principle yet Heb 5. 12 which should guide thee out of the World and bring thee to Repentance but to this thou art an Enemy to and among the Antichrists which say Lo here and Lo there Matthew 24. 23 30 Query Why do you teach exhort write Papers and print Books Answ In thy Query before thou askest whether the Scriptures were written for our instruction and now thou askest why do we exhort and teach here thou shewest forth that thou art tormented and thy terror begins for our giving forth Papers or Printed Books it is from the immediate eternal Spirit of God to the shewing forth the filthy practises of the Worlds Teachers and thine who with a pretence and fair colours and glosses and with a seeming Religion deceives the simple and thy own soul too we have bin long under captivity by you and such as you following your imaginacions but God hath raised up a Light within us by which we see you Deceivers without us and all the blinde Guides Matth 23 16. so for the simple ones sakes who are led by the blinde as we are moved by the immediat Spirit of Christ to write to teach or to exhort or to put in Print and this is it which doth torment thee but it is but the beginning of thy sorrow and this is from the immediat Spirit of Christ which thou art offended withall as ever the Pharises were but thou shalt see more Papers and more Printings and as the immediat Spirit grows there will be more abominacions and filthiness layd open and all Deceit will be discovered and the Truth spread abroad and cherished which will and doth trouble thee as Herod was when Christ was born Matth 2 3 31 Query What is Conscience where is it seated in man and what is its office and duty Answ Thou hard-hearted Pharaoh hast thou been a Professor so long and yet askest what is Conscience thou full of subtlety and Tempter it is that which thou makest shipwrack of 1 Tim 1 19 shut up from thy dark understanding and thy dark Reason it is seated below the hypocrisie in thee thou art a Tyrant to it and rulest over it yet in thy carnal knowledg thou wouldst know it to talk of it but Plagues and Curses are du to that nature which thou must know before thou know the office or duty of it as thou speakest for yet thou art in the hardness of thy heart and here thou hast overturned thy self thou hast before asked many Queryes but the intent is to maintain thy carnal state which seares the Conscience the tender part in man but Friend if thou hearken to the Light to that in thy Conscience do I speak 2 Cor. 5. 2. it will let thee see what Conscience is thou hard bea rt and it will exercise thy Conscience towards God and towards man Acts 24. 16 and here shalt thou see its duty and office and where it is seated and by it how thy understanding is enlightned and by it how thy heart is cleansed if thou hast an Ear thou mayst hear thou that wouldst be taught what Conscience is and where it is seated for shame lay away thy filthy Profession who wouldst know where Conscience is it is under thy hypocrisie who art comprehending Conscience with thy carnal Wisdom and Reason but thou must be confounded and condemned with that which should exercise thy Conscience 2 Cor 5 11 and here thou hast shewed forth thou dost not know the first Principle but art without and one of them whose Conscience is seared 1 Tim 4 2 32 Query If thou have the Spirit of Christ and in a large measure as some give out of thee taking upon thee to be a Teacher as also sending many Queryes to others I require of thee an Answer to these Queryes not in ambiguous and doubtfull terms as the Devil in his Oracles but in plain Language affirmatively or negatively full and clear according to the Spirit in the Gospel-times that he that runs may reade it or else confess thou art led with a spirit of deceit and darkness which would not willingly descover it self Answ Thou sayst if I have the Spirit of Christ which I have and witness it but as taking upon me in the will to be a Teacher as you are made Teachers that I do deny I do deny the will and you both 1 Cor 2 17 and all who are made Ministers by the will of man but the sending forth Queryes which grieve thee to others is that you may shew forth your folly as you have done in answering them by your dark minde which cannot comprehend the Light in which they are given forth but shews forth your darkness blindness ignorance and folly and despight against the Spirit of Grace being Enemies to Jesus Christ which is the Light in us and hath discovered and layd open your deceits and blindness and to all who have their Eys in their Head your folly is made manifest 2 Tim 3. 9 And thou hast here discovered thy ignorance and shewed forth thy folly in these Queryes thou dost require an Answer to these Queryes in plain Language which thou hast sent I have spoken plainly to thee and not flattered thee and as touching ambiguous terms they are thy own as the Devil in his Oracles thou art guarded with them I comprehend thee and see thy Cloathing and thy Affirmative and thy Negative proceeds from thy cursed minde but sound and clear I have answered thee according to the Spirit that is in the Gospel but to thy dark minde they will be dark for thou neither knowest the Spirit nor the Gospel for I have answered thee in the Gospel-time and he that hath the Spirit may run and reade it and reade thy spirit to be the spirit of Error erred from all them that did preach the Gospel which ever were we are not led by a spirit of Error but it we do deny therefore we do deny thee therefore openly and freely and nakedly do I declare my self to the discovering of the spirit of Error which is in thee and all thy blinde Guides who is led by the Spirit of Truth hath discovered you to be in the deceit and in darkness without God in the world the Plagues of God are to be poured upon the Beast and the false Prophet and the Beast and false Prophet are to be cast into the fier Rev 20. 10 there is thy porcion now do not call this railing and rash judgment for thou knowest the Letter thunders and speaks forth such words to such as thou art who livest in that nature Friend this is thy day of visitacion 2 Cor 5. 11 to that which is in thy Conscience I have spoken which shall eternally witness me and condemn thee 1 Cor 4. 2 The mouth of the Lord of Hosts hath spoken it The Preparacion of the Heart in Man and the Answer of the Tongue ●● from the Lord Prov 16. 1 FINIS NOw all you who are doting about Questions and are Ministers of Questions and not Ministers of Grace nor Edificacion but are busi-bodyes tempting and laying Snares and digging Pits lye are now fallen into the Pits which ye have digged for others and you who are wise are taken in your own craftiness and you are now answered from the mouth of the Lord and discovered and to every one is rendred his du and porcion but you sollowing the steps of your fathers the Iews you as they did marvel at his Answers though he was the Son of God Luke 20. 26 now you are answered own your porcion for I have kept back nothing what I received freely from the Lord freely I have declared unto you without parciality or having mens persons in admiracion because of advantage not favouring deceit nor giving liberty to sin for the Lord hath given us a mouth and wisdom which all our Gain-sayers are not able to resist and we walk in the pure wisdom of God and wisely towards you that are without redeeming the time and our speech is with Grace seasoned with Salt and we know how to answer every man Col 4. 5 6 Prayses Prayses to the Lord for ever who takes the wise in their craftiness and confounds and brings to shame all his Enemyes and discovers all Serpents with their twistings and twinings and subtle and cunning temptacions and hath fulfilled his Apostles words in his Sons and Daughters in making their folly manifest to all men and they shall proceed no further 2 Tim 3. 9 and now the painted Serpents the well-favoured Harlots the divers coloured Beasts and the wily Foxes are discovered to his Sons and Daughters that they cannot spoyl the tender Plants which the Lord himself hath planted in his Peoples hearts the Plants of his Renoun grows and flourisheth Prayses Prayses to the eternal powerfull God for ever Let all the Sons and Daughter of the Lord prayse the Lord Let all the Fathers and young men Children and Servants bless and prayse the Lord for ever who reigns for evermore Richard Hubberthorn
nothing Thou deaf Adder and Serpent who art full of Cockatrices Psal 8. 4. for if thou couldst see but thou art blinde thou mightst see the same gift amongst us as was among the Apostles for we witness the same by the same spirit according to the operacion but the lying spirit in thee can judg no otherways of truth it self but to be a lying spirit for it is in the generacion of them that know nothing of the truth for that Spirit that we are led by thou knowest not for if thou wert led by the same Spirit we should be one with thee but Friend thy spirit is tryed and known to be the spirit of Error thou sayst the Prophets erred not in declaring the minde of God to you thou knowest not the Spirit that the Prophets were guided by nor thou knowest not the minde of God though thou hast the outside a declaracion which is to the visible eye without thee but art in the generacion of them that could tell by the Prophets words where Christ should be born yet they sought to put him to death Mark 14. 64. the chief Priests and so thou art one of them which is an Enemy to Christ where he is born now as they were them and as Iannes and Iambres witstood Moses so dost thou resist the truth out of a corrupt minde in the state of Iannes and Iambres out of the faith a Reprobate as thou hast openly shewed it but thou shalt proceed no farther for thy folly is and shall be made manifest 2 Tim. 3. 9. Thou sayst thou hast taken pains to answer these Queries thou hast wrested many Scriptures as it is made manifest to maintain thee in the state of the Pharises and to maintain thee an Enemy against Christ and to maintain thee to be one of Balaams Prophets and to maintain thee to be one of the hierlings and to justifie that which Christ forbids and to maintain thee to hold up that horrible filty thing that is committed in the Land and to bear rule by thy means Ier. 5. 30 31. which the Prophets cryed against and with the Prophets words and Christs words and with the Apostles words thou wouldst shelter thy self and make thy self a cover to maintain thee in thy filthiness but the Lord God of power is coming to uncover thee and lay thee more and more open and make thee bare that thy filthyness may appear to the end that the simple ones who are in captivity under thy subtlety and snare of iniquity may be delivered and peoples mindes directed unto God that ●e alone may be exalted to whom be all prayse honor and glory for ever And Friend thou sayst that thou desirest that the Lord would open our eys thou tempter of the Lord thy Lord we deny and thy Prayers we deny the Lord hath opened our eys Prayse and glory be to him for ever the Lord hath opened our eys without thy Prayers Matth. 20. 34. therefore we deny them they are abominacion and contrary to thy means hath the Lord opened our eys 1 Iohn 1. 1. neither is there any thing of God in thy Answers but thou and thy imaginacions are raced out for ever and all thy pains thou speakest of are the works of thy own hands which were ever cryed out against Thou desirest we may escape out of the snare of Satan where it is broken we have escaped out of thy snares where they are broken Psal ●24 7. and therefore out of thy dominion and from under thy power are we come and see thee to be one that the Devil ensnares who art one of his Souldiers and not of Christs fighting for the Devils Kingdom and fighting against the Saints with thy carnal weapons and against ●he Lamb but the Lamb hath got the victory over the Beast Prayses prayses be to the Lord God Almighty for every Amen FINIS QUERIES sent by Gabriel Camelford to the People who out of reproach and envy of the blinde and dark world are called Quakers Answered by the Spirit of the Lord which doth enlighten and shine in our hearts and those that live in the pure light of God and can reade with the Spirit may see him taken in his own Snare and condemned out of own mouth and his Deceits layd open Query 1. WHat is a Reprobate 2 Cor. 13. 5. Answer Whereas thou wouldst know what a Reprobate is thou art out of the truth hated of God a Childe of the Devil an Enemy of Righteousness the Son of Perdicion in whom Christ rules not but the works of the flesh who knows not the Light that enlightneth every one that cometh into world but denyes it and hates it Query 2. Whether Christ be in a Reprobate to lead him to God Answ Thou askest thou knowest not what Shall ever a Reprobate enter to God Jacob have I loved Esau have I hated and Christ condemns the Reprobate and the Reprobate hates the Light Iohn 3. 19 20. as thou dost which shews forth the works of darkness and there thou art a Reprobate and one that knows not the Light that enlightneth every one that comes into the world and this Light shall condemn thee who keepest others in the same nature with thy fair glosses and colours which thou settest upon the Scriptures which must go into the Lake and into perdicion who livest in thy filthy and fleshly imaginacions which ever was cursed from God Psal 101. 5. an Enemy of Righteousness whom the Lord according to his promise will scatter who livest in thy imaginacious and conceivings Rom. 1. 21. and there thou art Query 3. If so why are not all men brought to God Answ Because they hate the Light as thou dost and lovest the darkness tather than the Light because thy deeds are evil Dost thou profess thy self to be a Minister of Iesus Christ and queriest why all men are not brought to God here openly thou hast shewed thy self to be a Hater of the Light for shame give over and blush Christ sayth I am the Light which enlightneth every one which cometh into the world Ioh. 1. 9. which thou art ignorant of he that loves the Light and walks in the Light there is no occasion of stumbling but thou that hatest the Light thy deeds are evil and therefore thou stumblest Iohn 11. 9 10. and there is thy condemnacion which is the Light and with such blinde Guides as thou art are poor people lead from the Light within them which should guide them to God to hearken to thy imaginacions and to fall down to thy images but the Plagues of God will be poured down upon the Beast and the false Prophet Deut. 28. 59. and thou art one which keepest people from God Query 4. Whether any man hath power to resist in the day when he comes to draw the soul to himself A●sw Here thou shewest that thou dost not know the power of God neither hast tasted of it but standst in the power of Satan and dost resist and deny but
but thou neither ownest Prcepts Law nor Command nor Statutes nor Ordinances therefore a busie fellow thou art querying whether we own them or no that thou mightst accuse for if thou didst own them thou wouldst own us and Christ but thy Precepts and Commands we deny and Doctrines and Ordinances for they are not to be tasted touched nor handled for they are to perish with the using of them Col. 2. 21 22. Query 3. Whether it be not the work of Satan on your spirits to endeavour to stop the greatest part in the world from giving that to God which he calls for Answ It is the work of God to stop the mouths of the world that we witness and it is the work of Satan to open the mouths of the world and he opens their mouths who keeps open thy mouth whose mouth must be stopped Tit. 1. 11. and that which the world gives to the living God is abominacion for the whole world lyes in wickedness and thou wouldst have the worlds mouth kept open and that which is abominacion to the Lord God set up but the Lord is coming in power to throw down the abominacion and to stop the mouths of the world which thou wouldst justifie and set open shewing thy self to be a Freind of the God of this world It is the work of God to stop the mouths of the world Freind thou wouldst have an Answer to these Scriptures and Queries Ro● 7. 18 25. 1 Iohn 19. Query 1 Whether thou dost own the Scripture for a Truth Answ We witness the Scripture to be a Truth and thee to be a Lyar not knowing any thing of them Query 2 Do you not deceive your selves in saying you have no sin Answ Here thou errest in not knowing that Epistle which thou bringest to accuse us withall for the same that gave it forth sayd If ye confess your sins he is faithfull and just to forgive and to cleanse you from all uncleanesse 1 Iohn 1. 9. here thou hast shewed thy selfe that thou art not come yet to the confession of thy sinns therefore farre short from cleansing from all thy filthinesse of Flesh and Spirit but blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who is making manifest himself to destroy the works of the Devill 1 Iohn 3 8. and here thou shewest that Iesus Christ is not made manifest to thee and that the works of the Devill are yet standing in thee O thou enimy of God and Righteousness what hast thou preached all this while to poor ignorant blind people now thou hast shewed here that thy Faith is vain and that thou art yet in thy sins as the Scripture shews plainly He that beleives is born of God and cannot commit Sin 1 Iohn 3 9 Query 3 How canst thou justifie thy self to be in the Truth and the Truth in thee when thy words make it a very Token and Signe that the Truth is not in thee Answ Thy Token and thy Signe is without thee and here thou shewest thy self to be in the generacion of the Pharises looking for outward Signes and outward Tokens and sayst how can we justifie our selves Thou dark Sot did ever Truth come to justifie Selfe Truth ever comes to condemn Selfe Here thou hast showed forth thy Confusion in this Query and in thy dark minde If we say we have not sinned we deceive our selves and make him a Lyar and the Truth is not in us 1 Iohn 1. 10. But where Iesus Christ is made manifest he is made manifest to destroy the works of the Devill and he that sinneth is of the Devil 1 Iohn 3. 8. Here are the Children of God made manifest and the children of the Devil for he that commiteth Sin never knew God if we had not sined we had needed no Saviour and here thou showest thy self to be a Child of the Devil and never knewest God but standest for the Devils Kingdom making thy self manifest not to be in that condicion as they were that spoke forth the Scriptures but art without God in the world Ephes 2. 12. hating those now who have the life of them made manifest and Jesus Christ who is come and made manifest to destroy the works of the Devil this I witness to be fulfilled and the taking away of sin and the cleansing from all unrighteousness therefore I clear my conscience Prayse to the glorious God for ever who is coming to lead poor simple People from their blinde Guides for to the children of God ye are discovered to be the children of the Devil Query 1. Are the Scriptures owned for a Truth yea or no. James 3. 2. Answ Here thou hast shewed forth thy busie minde one question had been enough to have asked whether the Scriptures be tru yea or no We witness the Scriptures to be tru and we witness thee to be a Lyar and erring from the Scripture not knowing them Matth. 22. 29. Many Scriptures thou hast stollen to maintain thee in thy sin and to uphold the Devils Kingdom who livest wholly in offences and bringst them into the same offences like thy self and wouldst make the Apostles offenders like thy self for the Apostle sayth Whosoever offends not in words the same is a perfect man and able to bridle the whole body and whosoever hath not power over his own tongue his Religion is vain James 3 2. and here thou shewest thy Religion to be vain Query 2 Is there a greater Priviledg or Freedom now for Christians than there was for the Apostles or Brethren in those times if so discover it by Scripture Answ Here thou hast shewed thou knowst nothing for thou art desiring to know their Priviledg which minde in thee never shall for the same Priviledg the Apostles did enjoy we enjoy and the unity is but one Ephes ● 13. and the same word they did enjoy we do enjoy and the same Christ we enjoy and the same God they did enjoy we do enjoy here thou wouldst make two which shews thou art in the con●●sion there is a greater Priviledg and Freedom now than there was then yet the same and in thy query thou hast shewed thou knowest nothing of Scripture and again thou sayst that as for what any of us say besides or above it or against it thou weighest it not And all Scripture is for the perfecting of the man of God Ephes 4. 1● which we witness but thou shewest thou knowst nothing of the Scriptures but hast spoken besides it and against it as oft I have shewed thee in thy former Writings and Queries and added to it and perverted it therefore are the Plagues du to thee and are thy porcion Clear thy self if thou canst let that in thy conscience clear thee but it cannot I know thou wouldst be satisfied if we can what are the Reasons that so many questions should never be answered till our days though God had still a People in the world and where didst thou see such questions put forth before for the darkness