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A00274 An ansvvere for the tyme, to the examination put in print, vvith out the authours name, pretending to mayntayne the apparrell prescribed against the declaration of the mynisters of London; Answere for the tyme, to the examination put in print, with out the authours name, pretending to mayntayne the apparrell prescribed against the declaration of the mynisters of London. 1566 (1566) STC 10388; ESTC S101663 78,828 156

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tie_v or_o limit_v by_o law_n or_o love_n hereupon_o a_o well_o learned_a man_n say_v ¶_o it_o be_v sufficient_a in_o christian_a liberty_n to_o understand_v that_o before_o god_n it_o be_v no_o matter_n what_o meat_n or_o what_o clothes_n thou_o use_v mar●_n pet_n mar●_n though_o in_o thy_o whole_a life_n thou_o never_o eat_v flesh_n and_o though_o always_o after_o thou_o use_v in_o apparel_n one_o colour_n and_o fashion_n so_o have_v another_o quod_fw-la ad_fw-la sensum_fw-la et_fw-la doctrinam_fw-la semper_fw-la profiten_v dum_fw-la adiaphora_fw-it esse_fw-la libera_fw-la non_fw-la quo_fw-la ad_fw-la usurpationem_fw-la a_o christian_a man_n must_v always_o profess_v that_o indifferent_a thing_n as_o much_o as_o appertain_v to_o understanding_n and_o doctrine_n be_v free_a and_o not_o touch_v their_o use_n now_o then_o forasmuch_o as_o these_o garment_n be_v among_o thing_n indifferent_a we_o may_v easy_o know_v how_o they_o be_v free_a as_o partein_v to_o our_o conscience_n and_o yet_o notwithstandyug_v we_o may_v be_v obedient_a to_o law_n without_o impair_n of_o christ_n liberty_n but_o to_o the_o weigh_v of_o your_o reason_n the_o aunswerer_n save_v our_o former_a protestation_n concern_v the_o indifferentie_n of_o these_o matter_n we_o allow_v well_o the_o sentencis_fw-la of_o caluin_n and_o martyr_v but_o your_o apply_v of_o they_o never_o a_o dealle_n you_o misconstrue_v d._n martyr_n and_o clean_o wrest_v a_o wry_a his_o distinction_n he_o meanith_n that_o such_o thing_n be_v free_a in_o opinion_n though_o thouch_v the_o action_n and_o use_n they_o ought_v to_o serve_v to_o charitable_a aedification_n you_o contrary_a wise_n not_o only_o use_v they_o frelye_o and_o franckelie_o yourselves_o but_o constrain_v other_o to_o do_v the_o like_a with_o out_o respect_n of_o charity_n or_o aedification_n charity_n be_v the_o rule_n in_o scripture_n for_o the_o use_n of_o indifferent_a thing_n against_o charity_n no_o prince_n have_v authority_n to_o make_v law_n 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