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the_o life_n of_o god_n in_o we_o needs_o be_v it_o not_o possible_a yourselves_o may_v hold_v some_o such_o error_n &_o yet_o remain_v true_a christian_n notwithstanding_o then_o if_o papist_n be_v no_o worse_o but_o in_o those_o error_n only_o they_o may_v be_v true_a christian_n notwithstanding_o but_o martion_n and_o tatianus_n do_v whole_o depart_v from_o the_o faith_n not_o but_o that_o they_o beleve_v some_o truth_n but_o in_o that_o they_o reply_n they_o the_o same_o do_v corah_n dathan_n and_o abiram_n likewise_o see_v before_o in_o answer_n to_o the_o 2._o exception_n the_o 2._o reply_n presumptuous_o quench_v the_o instinct_n of_o nature_n &_o conscience_n as_o i_o have_v say_v here_o than_o it_o appear_v how_o wicked_a a_o slander_v it_o be_v that_o you_o say_v i_o run_v into_o the_o papist_n tent_n and_o fight_v with_o their_o weapon_n &_o do_v jump_v with_o the_o remist_n annotation_n on_o 1_o tim._n 4.1_o 2_o 3._o judge_n now_o by_o this_o that_o i_o have_v say_v 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say_v a_o word_n but_o in_o stead_n of_o reply_v fall_n to_o plain_a rail_n for_o the_o conclusion_n i_o gather_v from_o your_o word_n about_o departer_n from_o the_o faith_n the_o papist_n and_o other_o heretic_n let_v the_o judgement_n be_v the_o reader_n whether_o they_o follow_v not_o necessary_o upon_o your_o erroneous_a and_o most_o absurd_a assertion_n and_o distinction_n yea_o see_v both_o for_o they_o and_o for_o your_o contradiction_n of_o the_o apostle_n if_o even_o here_o where_o you_o seek_v to_o colour_n and_o avoid_v they_o you_o fall_v not_o into_o they_o again_o here_o you_o will_v have_v i_o know_v that_o this_o you_o say_v that_o whosoever_o do_v forbid_v marriage_n and_o meat_n do_v depart_v from_o the_o faith_n well_o i_o hear_v you_o say_v so_o but_o a_o while_n after_o i_o hear_v you_o say_v this_o too_o 142._o pag._n
be_o i_o from_o be_v of_o your_o mind_n who_o think_v the_o truth_n whole_o destroy_v in_o all_o such_o as_o have_v serve_v idol_n or_o hold_v any_o other_o fundamental_a error_n consider_v also_o the_o aethiopian_a church_n which_o retain_v many_o of_o moses_n ceremony_n and_o of_o the_o gross_a point_n of_o popery_n and_o the_o greek_a church_n err_v great_o of_o old_a about_o freewill_n and_o since_o that_o time_n about_o the_o person_n and_o proceed_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n beside_o other_o very_a great_a error_n among_o they_o not_o to_o speak_v of_o the_o lutheran_n hold_v with_o other_o error_n that_o of_o consubstantiation_n which_o by_o necessary_a consequence_n overthrow_v christ_n humane_a nature_n and_o therefore_o be_v fundamental_a in_o your_o own_o account_n will_v you_o now_o say_v that_o none_o of_o these_o can_v have_v a_o lively_a save_a faith_n i_o dare_v not_o be_v of_o your_o mind_n i_o hope_v and_o be_o persuade_v otherwise_o nay_o even_o for_o the_o papist_n 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i_o will_v not_o stand_v upon_o it_o but_o refer_v you_o rather_o to_o mr_n jewel_n a_o prelate_n also_o yet_o a_o man_n otherwise_o worthy_a to_o be_v reverent_v both_o for_o his_o suffering_n in_o q._n maryes_fw-mi day_n and_o for_o his_o gift_n and_o labour_n employ_v in_o defence_n of_o sundry_a point_n of_o the_o truth_n against_o the_o papist_n this_o mr_n jewel_n allege_v the_o example_n of_o papias_n apollinarius_n victorinus_n tertullianus_n 338._o jewel_n defence_n of_o the_o apology_n pag._n 337._o 338._o lactantius_n and_o other_o in_o former_a time_n confess_v that_o both_o they_o defend_v the_o heresy_n of_o the_o chiliastae_n which_o say_v that_o christ_n after_o the_o general_a judgement_n shall_v dwell_v here_o a_o thousand_o year_n together_o upon_o the_o earth_n and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o be_v godly_a and_o worthy_a member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n so_o also_o he_o think_v of_o irenaeus_n though_o he_o hold_v beside_o the_o former_a heresy_n this_o also_o 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without_o save_a faith_n and_o utter_o abolish_v from_o christ_n yet_o you_o see_v the_o chief_a governor_n of_o your_o church_n be_v otherwise_o mind_v yea_o and_o your_o church_n itself_o for_o mr_n jewel_n book_n be_v publish_v with_o consent_n and_o special_a privilege_n thereof_o note_v this_o well_o 2_o some_o again_o who_o err_v not_o in_o any_o fundamental_a point_n as_o you_o distinguish_v yet_o no_o doubt_n shall_v perish_v and_o be_v condemn_v as_o for_o not_o relieve_v the_o poor_a and_o people_n of_o god_n for_o not_o yield_v obedience_n to_o christ_n but_o fear_v of_o man_n more_o than_o god_n for_o want_v of_o sanctification_n for_o hypocrisy_n contention_n wicked_a life_n etc._n etc._n mat._n 25_o 41-46_a joh._n 3.36_o mat._n 23._o chap._n rom._n 2.8_o 1_o thes_n 4_o 3-6_a ephes_n 5_o 3-6_a gal._n 5.19.20.21_o neither_o can_v you_o be_v ignorant_a but_o that_o 2.10_o that_o deut._n 27.26_o rom._n 6.23_o ezec._n 18.10.11_o jam._n 2.10_o curse_n and_o death_n by_o the_o 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