Selected quad for the lemma: honour_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
honour_n	image_n	represent_v	worship_v	1,652	5	9.3382	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A33205	An answer to the representer's reflections upon the state and view of the controversy with a reply to the vindicator's full answer, shewing, that the vindicator has utterly ruined the new design of expounding and representing popery.	Clagett, William, 1646-1688.; Clagett, Nicholas, 1654-1727.	1688 (1688)	Wing C4376; ESTC R11070	85,324	142

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but_o fancy_v those_o thing_n to_o be_v ill_a which_o not_o he_o in_o his_o misrepresent_v side_n but_o the_o answerer_n charge_v upon_o they_o as_o popery_n or_o shall_v we_o say_v that_o these_o man_n understand_v one_o another_o and_o that_o he_o do_v not_o fancy_n they_o to_o be_v ill_a but_o for_o the_o present_a thought_n good_a to_o say_v however_o that_o they_o be_v monstrous_a ill_a thing_n and_o that_o he_o will_v as_o soon_o be_v a_o turk_n as_o the_o answerer_n papist_n but_o i_o rather_o think_v they_o do_v not_o lay_v their_o head_n together_o upon_o this_o business_n but_o that_o in_o the_o desperate_a estate_n to_o which_o the_o vindicator_n cause_n be_v reduce_v by_o the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o such_o a_o popery_n among_o they_o as_o the_o representer_n reject_v with_o detestation_n he_o find_v himself_o oblige_v for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o church_n and_o perhaps_o for_o his_o own_o safety_n to_o remit_v of_o his_o rigour_n or_o rather_o to_o take_v off_o his_o 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