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heretical_a wickedness_n what_o be_o i_o better_a than_o other_o man_n better_o myself_o cut_v off_o by_o death_n or_o banishment_n than_o the_o flock_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v seduce_v and_o destroy_v by_o my_o heretical_a wickedness_n chap._n 6._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o six_o chapter_n discuss_v civil_a peace_n and_o the_o disturbance_n of_o it_o in_o this_o chapter_n the_o discusser_n undertake_v to_o declare_v what_o civil_a peace_n be_v and_o to_o show_v that_o the_o toleration_n of_o different_a religion_n be_v no_o disturbance_n of_o civil_a peace_n first_o for_o civil_a peace_n what_o be_v it_o say_v he_o but_o pax_fw-la civitatis_fw-la whether_o english_a or_o irish_a spanish_a or_o turkish_a city_n reply_n be_v it_o so_o and_o if_o the_o civil_a state_n or_o commonwealth_n contain_v many_o city_n or_o town_n and_o so_o become_v a_o whole_a country_n or_o commonwealth_n let_v civil_a peace_n be_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o country_n or_o of_o the_o commonwealth_n but_o what_o 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and_o his_o disciple_n shall_v have_v go_v as_o far_o as_o lay_v in_o their_o power_n for_o redress_v of_o evil_a and_o leave_v it_o in_o the_o magistrate_n hand_n answ_n 3._o if_o it_o have_v be_v the_o holy_a will_n of_o god_n to_o have_v establish_v the_o doctrine_n and_o kingdom_n of_o his_o son_n this_o way_n he_o will_v have_v furnish_v kingdom_n and_o commonwealth_n with_o many_o good_a and_o gracious_a magistrate_n to_o have_v fit_v they_o for_o it_o defender_n reply_v 1._o to_o ans_fw-fr 1._o paul_n appeal_n to_o caesar_n be_v about_o the_o wrong_n do_v unto_o the_o jew_n act_n 25.10_o the_o wrong_n to_o they_o be_v not_o only_o civil_a but_o church-offence_n which_o paul_n deny_v neither_o against_o the_o law_n of_o the_o jew_n say_v he_o nor_o against_o the_o temple_n nor_o against_o caesar_n have_v i_o offend_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o ver_fw-la 8._o festus_n demand_v if_o he_o will_v go_v up_o to_o jerusalem_n there_o to_o be_v judge_v of_o these_o thing_n ver_fw-la 9_o 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wolf_n there_o be_v some_o of_o their_o company_n do_v make_v havoc_n of_o the_o sheep_n lead_v they_o aside_o into_o damnable_a heresy_n if_o a_o poor_a sheep_n shall_v attempt_v such_o a_o thing_n will_v not_o the_o whole_a kennel_n of_o wolf_n arise_v up_o against_o he_o as_o a_o troubler_n of_o their_o state_n that_o when_o he_o enjoy_v peace_n himself_o they_o trouble_v not_o he_o yet_o he_o will_v needs_o be_v so_o busy_a as_o to_o trouble_v they_o and_o therefore_o we_o deny_v that_o it_o have_v tend_v to_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o jesus_n or_o to_o the_o suppress_n heresy_n for_o christ_n and_o his_o disciple_n to_o have_v complain_v to_o herod_n pilate_n caesar_n of_o the_o heresy_n of_o the_o pharise_n it_o have_v rather_o tend_v to_o the_o disturbance_n and_o suppression_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o jesus_n by_o provoke_v the_o malice_n of_o the_o pharise_n and_o by_o disquiet_v civil_a throne_n with_o fear_n and_o jealousy_n of_o a_o new_a kingdom_n spring_v up_o among_o they_o besides_o it_o have_v be_v altogether_o preposterous_a to_o make_v use_n of_o the_o civil_a power_n for_o the_o first_o publish_v of_o the_o gospel_n of_o peace_n it_o be_v necessary_a the_o gospel_n shall_v first_o be_v know_v and_o receive_v and_o believe_v and_o profess_v before_o any_o can_v be_v complain_v of_o for_o apostasy_n from_o it_o into_o heresy_n or_o seducement_n of_o other_o into_o such_o wickedness_n reply_v 3._o to_o ans_fw-fr 3._o we_o do_v not_o say_v it_o be_v the_o holy_a will_n and_o purpose_n of_o god_n to_o establish_v the_o doctrine_n and_o kingdom_n of_o his_o son_n our_o lord_n jesus_n only_o this_o way_n to_o wit_n by_o the_o help_n of_o civil_a authority_n for_o it_o be_v his_o will_n also_o to_o magnify_v his_o power_n in_o establish_v the_o same_o by_o a_o contrary_a way_n even_o by_o the_o suffering_n patient_a suffering_n of_o his_o saint_n and_o by_o the_o bloody_a sword_n of_o persecute_v magistrate_n revel_v 12.11_o so_o that_o christ_n need_v not_o to_o send_v good_a and_o gracious_a magistrate_n as_o if_o for_o want_n of_o they_o the_o christian_a faith_n and_o religion_n will_v fall_v to_o the_o ground_n for_o it_o have_v spread_v and_o flourish_v under_o fiery_a and_o cruel_a persecution_n but_o yet_o this_o hinder_v not_o but_o that_o it_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o magistrate_n to_o know_v the_o son_n and_o to_o kiss_v he_o to_o acknowledge_v his_o kingdom_n and_o submit_v their_o throne_n and_o crown_n to_o it_o to_o love_v his_o truth_n and_o to_o be_v nurse_v father_n to_o his_o church_n isai_n 49.23_o which_o how_o they_o can_v do_v and_o yet_o not_o be_v defender_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o jesus_n i_o do_v not_o understand_v chap._n 31._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o thirteen_o chapter_n discuss_v by_o the_o way_n the_o
text_n in_o isai_n 49.23_o discusser_n 1._o that_o place_n of_o isaiah_n 49.23_o will_v appear_v to_o be_v far_o from_o prove_v such_o king_n and_o queen_n judge_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n and_o if_o not_o judge_n they_o may_v not_o punish_v 2._o in_o spiritual_a thing_n themselves_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o church_n shall_v lick_v the_o dust_n of_o the_o church_n foot_n as_o be_v there_o express_v how_o then_o shall_v those_o king_n and_o queen_n be_v supreme_a governor_n of_o the_o church_n 3._o god_n israel_n of_o old_a be_v earnest_n for_o a_o king_n a_o arm_n of_o flesh_n god_n give_v they_o saul_n in_o his_o anger_n and_o take_v he_o away_o in_o his_o wrath_n so_o god_n will_v take_v away_o such_o prince_n in_o his_o wrath_n that_o so_o as_o david_n succeed_v saul_n so_o christ_n jesus_n in_o his_o spiritual_a power_n may_v for_o ever_o be_v advance_v defender_n reply_v 1_o we_o do_v not_o allege_v that_o place_n in_o isaiah_n to_o prove_v king_n and_o queen_n to_o be_v judge_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n but_o to_o be_v provider_n for_o the_o church_n well-being_n and_o protector_n of_o it_o for_o so_o much_o the_o very_a phrase_n of_o nurse_v father_n and_o mother_n do_v necessary_o import_v but_o if_o they_o be_v protector_n of_o the_o church_n and_o provider_n of_o the_o well-being_n of_o it_o then_o be_v they_o also_o defender_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o it_o so_o far_o as_o their_o defence_n in_o a_o way_n of_o god_n be_v dispensable_a so_o magistrate_n be_v also_o call_v shepherd_n of_o the_o people_n as_o well_o as_o minister_n ezec._n 34._o now_o it_o be_v a_o part_n of_o a_o shepherd_n protection_n of_o his_o sheep_n to_o drive_v away_o wolf_n from_o sheepefold_n and_o it_o be_v the_o like_a part_n of_o good_a magistrate_n to_o drive_v away_o false_a prophet_n from_o the_o church_n who_o our_o saviour_n call_v raven_a wolf_n matth._n 7.15_o but_o say_v he_o magistrate_n be_v not_o judge_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n and_o if_o not_o judge_n they_o may_v not_o punish_v answ_n there_o be_v a_o threefold_a judgement_n 1._o a_o judgement_n of_o private_a spiritual_a discretion_n and_o so_o a_o spiritual_a man_n judge_v all_o thing_n 1_o cor._n 2.15_o and_o so_o may_v a_o magistrate_n judge_v also_o if_o he_o be_v a_o spiritual_a man_n 2._o there_o be_v judicium_fw-la propheticum_fw-la a_o prophetical_a judgement_n whereby_o the_o prophet_n have_v receive_v a_o great_a gift_n of_o spiritual_a discern_a of_o the_o thing_n of_o god_n and_o a_o office_n to_o declare_v the_o same_o do_v judge_n of_o doctrine_n with_o authority_n let_v the_o prophet_n judge_n 2_o cor._n 14.29.32_o and_o this_o the_o ministerial_a judgement_n of_o the_o church_n but_o here_o the_o magistrate_n judgement_n do_v not_o interpose_v as_o a_o magistrate_n but_o as_o a_o brother_n 3._o there_o be_v judicium_fw-la politicum_fw-la the_o judgement_n of_o civil_a power_n whereby_o a_o magistrate_n be_v call_v of_o god_n to_o provide_v that_o his_o people_n may_v lead_v a_o peaceable_a life_n in_o godliness_n and_o honesty_n he_o therefore_o be_v call_v to_o discern_v not_o only_o what_o be_v honesty_n or_o righteousness_n before_o man_n but_o what_o be_v godliness_n also_o before_o the_o lord_n &_o according_o judge_v of_o godly_a &_o ungodly_a doctrine_n &_o practice_n so_o far_o as_o tend_v to_o the_o uphold_v of_o public_a peace_n for_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o scripture_n of_o the_o new-testament_n that_o when_o magistrate_n be_v so_o blind_o devout_a and_o superstitious_a as_o to_o give_v their_o kingdom_n unto_o the_o beast_n as_o rev._n 17.12_o 13._o and_o so_o to_o tolerate_v the_o public_a worship_n of_o image_n and_o other_o idol_n they_o thereby_o overthrow_v the_o civil_a peace_n of_o their_o commonwealth_n for_o to_o punish_v their_o ungodliness_n it_o be_v that_o god_n open_v a_o way_n for_o the_o turk_n to_o break_v out_o and_o destroy_v the_o 3_o part_n of_o christendom_n rev._n 9.14_o to_o 21._o reply_v 2._o both_o these_o may_v well_o stand_v together_o that_o magistrate_n may_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o church_n and_o lick_v the_o dust_n of_o her_o foot_n &_o yet_o be_v supreme_a governor_n of_o the_o church_n also_o in_o spiritual_a matter_n and_o in_o the_o right_a administration_n of_o they_o the_o magistrate_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o church_n but_o in_o civil_a matter_n and_o in_o corrupt_a administration_n of_o church-affaire_n so_o far_o corrupt_v as_o tend_v to_o the_o disturbance_n of_o civil_a peace_n there_o the_o magistrate_n be_v supreme_a governor_n even_o over_o church_n also_o in_o their_o own_o dominion_n reply_v 3_o it_o be_v no_o sin_n in_o israel_n of_o old_a to_o ask_v a_o king_n but_o to_o ask_v he_o before_o the_o time_n appoint_v and_o to_o ask_v he_o in_o a_o tumultuous_a manner_n with_o rejection_n of_o samuel_n and_o to_o ask_v he_o for_o carnal_a and_o profane_a end_n that_o they_o may_v be_v like_a to_o all_o other_o nation_n who_o god_n do_v not_o approve_v they_o shall_v affect_v to_o be_v like_a unto_o otherwise_o have_v they_o tarry_v god_n time_n god_n have_v appoint_v to_o give_v they_o a_o king_n out_o of_o the_o tribe_n of_o judah_n gen._n 49.10_o it_o be_v true_a god_n take_v away_o saul_n in_o his_o wrath_n but_o not_o for_o exercise_v civil_a power_n against_o spiritual_a wickedness_n for_o he_o do_v just_o exercise_v it_o against_o witch_n but_o for_o other_o well-known_a notorious_a wickedness_n and_o as_o for_o david_n we_o do_v not_o read_v that_o he_o do_v exercise_v any_o spiritual_a power_n as_o a_o king_n but_o as_o a_o prophet_n chap._n 32._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o chap._n 32._o discusser_n though_o for_o the_o present_a the_o punishment_n of_o corrupt_a teacher_n as_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharise_n be_v be_v defer_v yet_o their_o wait_v for_o they_o a_o high_a pitch_n of_o punishment_n than_o any_o corporal_n can_v reach_v unto_o as_o 1._o stark_o blindness_n etc._n etc._n 2._o incurable_a blindness_n etc._n etc._n 3._o their_o end_n be_v the_o ditch_n etc._n etc._n 4._o the_o leader_n of_o other_o into_o the_o ditch_n shall_v find_v their_o own_o ruin_n horrible_a and_o the_o ruin_n of_o their_o follower_n eternal_o gall_v &_o torment_v defender_n the_o discusser_v himself_o know_v and_o according_o express_v himself_o in_o his_o next_o word_n that_o it_o be_v the_o like_a case_n of_o all_o sinner_n and_o of_o all_o malefactor_n their_o punishment_n in_o hell_n will_v be_v more_o horrible_a and_o full_a of_o torment_n then_o can_v be_v inflict_v in_o this_o world_n and_o yet_o the_o state_n be_v often_o bind_v to_o punish_v they_o and_o in_o many_o case_n by_o death_n itself_o discusser_n be_v it_o so_o but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o a_o blind_a pharisee_fw-mi resist_v the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n who_o happy_o may_v be_v as_o good_a a_o subject_a and_o as_o peaceable_a and_o profitable_a to_o the_o civil_a state_n as_o any_o etc._n etc._n defender_n but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o the_o question_n in_o hand_n we_o do_v not_o hold_v it_o lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n to_o compel_v by_o civil_a sword_n either_o pharisee_fw-mi or_o any_o jew_n or_o pagan_a to_o profess_v the_o religion_n or_o doctrine_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n much_o less_o do_v we_o think_v it_o meet_v for_o a_o private_a christian_n to_o provoke_v either_o jewish_a or_o pagan_a magistrate_n to_o compel_v pharise_n to_o submit_v to_o the_o doctrine_n or_o religion_n of_o christ_n jesus_n and_o therefore_o all_o these_o chapter_n from_o 29._o to_o 35._o seven_o chapter_n in_o all_o tend_v to_o prove_v that_o christ_n disciple_n be_v to_o let_v the_o pharise_n alone_o in_o this_o way_n be_v but_o so_o many_o empty_a flourish_n beat_v the_o air_n &_o play_v with_o a_o shadow_n and_o yet_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o chapter_n which_o remain_v must_v not_o pass_v without_o some_o advertisement_n of_o such_o passage_n in_o they_o as_o do_v corrupt_v the_o truth_n of_o christ_n how_o the_o 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jesus_n only_o defender_n reply_v 1_o but_o he_o that_o corrupt_v a_o soul_n with_o a_o corrupt_a religion_n or_o worship_n lay_v a_o spread_a leaven_n which_o corrupt_v the_o state_n the_o idolatry_n begin_v in_o the_o house_n of_o micah_n corrupt_v laish_n judge_n chap._n 17._o and_o chap._n 18._o and_o that_o be_v the_o beginning_n of_o sin_n to_o the_o daughter_n of_o zion_n micah_n 1.13_o and_o that_o apostasy_n be_v the_o captivity_n of_o the_o land_n as_o in_o the_o new-testament_n the_o worship_n of_o image_n be_v the_o advancement_n of_o the_o turk_n and_o the_o ruin_n of_o christian_a state_n rev._n 9.14_o to_o 21._o when_o therefore_o the_o corruption_n or_o destruction_n of_o soul_n be_v a_o destruction_n also_o of_o life_n liberty_n estate_n of_o man_n lex_fw-la talionis_fw-la call_v for_o not_o only_a soul_n for_o soul_n but_o life_n for_o life_n reply_v 2._o false_a prophet_n in_o the_o old-testament_n do_v but_o corrupt_v the_o soul_n of_o some_o and_o it_o may_v be_v do_v not_o corrupt_v they_o neither_o but_o attempt_v it_o only_o and_o yet_o among_o god_n people_n where_o lex_fw-la talionis_fw-la be_v much_o attend_v the_o law_n be_v thy_o eye_n shall_v not_o spare_v he_o deut._n 13._o the_o reason_n of_o which_o execution_n be_v not_o fetch_v from_o any_o typical_a holiness_n of_o the_o land_n but_o from_o the_o dangerous_a wickedness_n of_o the_o attempt_n to_o thrust_v away_o a_o soul_n from_o god_n which_o be_v a_o great_a injury_n then_o to_o deprive_v a_o man_n of_o bodily_a life_n discusser_n but_o dead_a man_n can_v die_v nor_o be_v infect_v natural_a man_n the_o civil_a state_n the_o world_n be_v dead_a in_o sin_n etc._n etc._n defender_n reply_v 1_o dead_a man_n may_v be_v make_v worse_o by_o corrupt_a teacher_n twofold_n more_o the_o child_n of_o hell_n then_o before_o matth._n 23.15_o and_o therefore_o such_o as_o so_o corrupt_v they_o be_v worthy_a in_o a_o way_n of_o due_a proceed_n of_o a_o twofold_a death_n reply_v 2._o such_o 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it_o can_v true_o be_v say_v that_o the_o lord_n jesus_n never_o appoint_v the_o civil_a sword_n for_o a_o remedy_n in_o such_o a_o case_n for_o he_o do_v express_o appoint_v it_o in_o the_o old-testament_n nor_o do_v he_o ever_o abrogate_v it_o in_o the_o new_a the_o reason_n of_o the_o law_n which_o be_v the_o life_n of_o the_o law_n be_v of_o eternal_a force_n and_o equity_n in_o all_o age_n thou_o shult_v sure_o kill_v he_o because_o be_v have_v seek_v to_o thrust_v thou_o away_o from_o the_o lord_n thy_o god_n deut._n 13.9_o 10._o this_o reason_n be_v of_o moral_a that_o be_v of_o universal_a and_o perpetual_a equity_n to_o put_v to_o death_n any_o apostate_n seduce_v idolater_n or_o heretic_n who_o seek_v to_o thrust_v away_o the_o soul_n of_o god_n people_n from_o the_o lord_n their_o god_n if_o magistrate_n be_v the_o minister_n of_o god_n in_o the_o new-testament_n as_o paul_n call_v they_o rom._n 13.4_o and_o minister_n of_o god_n to_o execute_v vengeance_n on_o he_o that_o 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chap._n discusser_n to_o batter_v and_o take_v a_o strong_a hold_n or_o fort_n man_n bring_v not_o a_o first_o and_o second_o admonition_n and_o after_o obstinacy_n excommunication_n but_o they_o bring_v canon_n culvering_n saker_n bullet_n powder_n musket_n sword_n pike_n weapon_n suitable_a and_o proportionable_a on_o the_o other_o side_n to_o batter_v down_o idolatry_n false_a worship_n heresy_n out_o of_o the_o soul_n and_o spirit_n it_o be_v vain_a improper_a unsuitable_a to_o bring_v the_o usual_a weapon_n of_o persecutor_n stock_n whip_n prison_n sword_n gibbtts_n stake_n but_o against_o these_o spiritual_a sirong_n hold_v in_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n spiritual_a artillery_n and_o weapon_n be_v proper_a and_o mighty_a through_o god_n to_o subdue_v every_o thought_n to_o obedience_n defender_n let_v this_o stand_n as_o it_o shall_v for_o i_o it_o nothing_o touch_v the_o question_n in_o hand_n it_o be_v far_o from_o i_o to_o allow_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o make_v use_n 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and_o to_o mortify_v the_o flesh_n of_o offender_n yet_o that_o be_v not_o supersedeas_fw-la to_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o neglect_v to_o punish_v those_o sin_n which_o the_o church_n have_v censure_v if_o the_o person_n censure_v do_v proceed_v to_o subvert_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o gospel_n or_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n or_o the_o salvation_n of_o the_o people_n the_o rest_n of_o the_o discusser_n discourse_n in_o this_o chapter_n be_v as_o judas_n speak_v cloud_n without_o water_n word_n without_o matter_n chap._n 46._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o chap._n 46._o discuss_v rom._n 13._o discusser_n this_o scripture_n rom._n 13._o which_o it_o please_v the_o answerer_n to_o quote_v how_o have_v both_o himself_o and_o many_o excellent_a servant_n of_o god_n wrest_v not_o as_o peter_n write_v of_o the_o wicked_a to_o their_o eternal_a yet_o to_o their_o own_o and_o other_o tempor_n all_o destruction_n by_o civil_a war_n and_o combustion_n in_o the_o world_n defender_n this_o 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but_o will_v it_o thence_o follow_v that_o therefore_o minister_n have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o matter_n of_o religion_n in_o the_o church_n or_o parent_n in_o the_o family_n chap._n 47._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o chap._n 47._o discusser_n there_o be_v excellent_a and_o precious_a servant_n of_o god_n in_o their_o time_n who_o have_v absolute_o deny_v the_o 13._o of_o the_o rom._n to_o concern_v any_o matter_n of_o the_o first_o table_n defender_n i_o will_v not_o stand_v upon_o the_o last_o use_n in_o that_o chapter_n put_v you_o on_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n which_o i_o hope_v the_o discusser_n himself_o will_v not_o deny_v much_o less_o say_v that_o any_o excellent_a and_o precious_a servant_n of_o god_n do_v absolute_o deny_v that_o such_o a_o duty_n concern_v the_o first_o table_n but_o what_o be_v it_o that_o the_o servant_n of_o god_n say_v discusser_n calvin_n say_v this_o whole_a discourse_n concern_v civil_a magistrate_n and_o therefore_o in_o vain_a do_v they_o who_o 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for_o want_v of_o authority_n or_o duty_n to_o do_v justice_n but_o for_o want_v of_o ripe_a and_o full_a cognizance_n of_o the_o cause_n chap._n 49._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o chap._n 49._o discusser_n why_o then_o do_v paul_n himself_o appeal_v to_o caesar_n act_n 25._o unless_o that_o caesar_n though_o he_o be_v not_o yet_o yet_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v a_o fit_a judge_n in_o such_o matter_n answ_n paul_n appeal_v to_o caesar_n not_o to_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o his_o religion_n but_o to_o defend_v he_o from_o civil_a violence_n and_o slanderous_a accusation_n about_o sedition_n mutiny_n civil_a disobedience_n etc._n etc._n from_o which_o caesar_n as_o a_o supreme_a civil_a magistrate_n ought_v to_o defend_v he_o defender_n this_o appeal_n of_o paul_n to_o caesar_n do_v evident_o hold_v forth_o three_o thing_n 1._o that_o there_o be_v a_o lawful_a and_o needful_a use_n of_o civil_a magistracy_n unto_o christian_n 2._o that_o church_n officer_n even_o of_o high_a rank_n the_o apostle_n themselves_o and_o other_o minister_n be_v subject_a to_o civil_a authority_n as_o well_o as_o private_a christian_n 3._o that_o paul_n do_v submit_v to_o caesar_n judgement-seate_n the_o trial_n of_o his_o innocency_n as_o well_o in_o matter_n of_o religion_n as_o in_o civil_a conversation_n for_o he_o plead_v his_o innocency_n that_o he_o be_v guilty_a in_o none_o of_o those_o thing_n whereof_o they_o do_v accuse_v he_o and_o for_o trial_n hereof_o he_o appeal_v to_o caesar_n ver_fw-la 11._o now_o the_o thing_n whereof_o they_o do_v accuse_v he_o be_v offence_n against_o the_o law_n of_o the_o jew_n and_o against_o the_o temple_n as_o well_o as_o against_o caesar_n ver_fw-la 8._o and_o offence_n against_o the_o law_n of_o the_o jew_n and_o against_o the_o temple_n be_v matter_n of_o religion_n and_o yet_o even_o in_o these_o paul_n appeal_v to_o caesar_n judgement-seat_n for_o trial_n of_o his_o innocency_n discusser_n but_o if_o paul_n in_o this_o appeal_v to_o caesar_n 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caesar_n and_o that_o to_o the_o honour_n of_o god_n of_o his_o apostolic_a and_o christian_a call_v and_o to_o the_o glory_n of_o his_o religion_n the_o reason_n against_o paul_n appeal_v in_o this_o case_n be_v but_o bul-rush_n chap._n 50._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o chap._n 50._o discusser_n have_v dispatch_v two_o argument_n against_o the_o sound_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n power_n in_o spiritual_a cause_n in_o rom._n 13._o first_o from_o the_o testimony_n of_o calvin_n and_o beza_n the_o second_o from_o caesar_n incompetency_n and_o insufficiency_n to_o judge_n of_o spiritual_a matter_n i_o come_v now_o to_o the_o three_o argument_n take_v from_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o magistrate_n weapon_n he_o have_v a_o sword_n and_o that_o sword_n be_v a_o civil_a sword_n a_o sword_n of_o civil_a justice_n which_o be_v of_o a_o material_a and_o civil_a nature_n serve_v for_o the_o defence_n of_o person_n estate_n family_n liberty_n of_o
once_o and_o again_o out_o of_o the_o church_n of_o alexandria_n once_o whist_o he_o be_v deacon_n as_o sozomene_n report_v in_o lib._n 1._o ecclesiast_fw-la historia_fw-la chap._n 14._o and_o though_o afterward_o he_o get_v into_o the_o church_n again_o yet_o he_o be_v again_o excommunicate_v when_o he_o be_v presbyter_n and_o cast_v out_o of_o his_o presbytery_n as_o socrates_n report_v in_o his_o lib._n 1._o ecclesiast_fw-la hastoria_fw-la cap._n 6._o of_o the_o greek_a edition_n chap._n 3._o of_o the_o latin_a so_o that_o hierome_n complain_v of_o the_o great_a hurt_n which_o the_o spark_n of_o arius_n do_v because_o he_o be_v not_o timely_o put_v out_o he_o do_v not_o mean_a of_o put_v out_o of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v do_v timely_o enough_o and_o twice_o for_o fail_v but_o because_o he_o be_v not_o put_v out_o either_o out_o of_o the_o world_n or_o at_o least_o out_o of_o the_o confine_n of_o neighbour_n church_n say_v not_o yet_o paul_n doubtless_o speak_v of_o put_v out_o of_o the_o church_n for_o though_o that_o be_v true_a yet_o now_o the_o question_n be_v not_o of_o paul_n judgement_n in_o this_o place_n but_o of_o hieromes_n judgement_n which_o the_o author_n of_o the_o letter_n allege_v as_o a_o witness_n for_o himself_o and_o the_o discusser_n will_v maintain_v it_o though_o jeromes_n word_n will_v not_o bear_v it_o it_o argue_v man_n be_v more_o lead_v by_o will_n than_o judgement_n to_o uphold_v a_o cause_n when_o the_o witness_n which_o themselves_o produce_v bear_v witness_n against_o they_o neither_o let_v any_o man_n say_v that_o this_o grant_n of_o he_o that_o heresy_n must_v be_v cut_v off_o with_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o spirit_n do_v imply_v a_o absolute_a sufficiency_n in_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o spirit_n to_o cut_v it_o down_o according_a to_o 2_o cor_fw-la 10.4_o 5._o for_o though_o spiritual_a weapon_n be_v absolute_o sufficient_a to_o the_o end_n for_o which_o god_n have_v appoint_v they_o as_o have_v be_v open_v above_o to_o wit_n for_o the_o conviction_n and_o if_o he_o belong_v to_o god_n for_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o offender_n for_o the_o mortify_n of_o his_o flesh_n &_o for_o the_o say_n of_o his_o soul_n and_o for_o the_o cleanse_n of_o the_o church_n from_o the_o fellowship_n of_o that_o guilt_n yet_o if_o a_o heretic_n still_o continue_v obstinate_a and_o persist_v in_o seduce_v creep_v into_o house_n lead_v captive_a silly_a soul_n and_o destroy_v the_o faith_n of_o some_o it_o may_v be_v of_o many_o such_o gangrene_n will_v be_v cut_v off_o by_o another_o sword_n which_o in_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o magistrate_n be_v not_o bear_v in_o vain_a discusser_n but_o the_o eye_n of_o this_o answerer_n can_v never_o be_v so_o obscure_v as_o to_o run_v to_o a_o smith_n shop_n for_o a_o sword_n of_o iron_n and_o steel_n to_o help_v the_o sword_n of_o the_o spirit_n if_o the_o sun_n of_o righteousness_n have_v once_o be_v please_v to_o show_v he_o that_o a_o nationall_n church_n which_o elsewhere_o he_o profess_v against_o a_o state-church_n whether_o explicit_a as_o in_o old_a england_n or_o implicit_a as_o in_o new_a be_v not_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n the_o nationall_n typicall-state-church_n of_o the_o jew_n necessary_o call_v for_o such_o weapon_n but_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o christ_n in_o all_o part_n of_o the_o world_n consist_v of_o jew_n and_o gentiles_n be_v powerful_o able_a to_o defend_v itself_o and_o offend_v man_n and_o devil_n although_o the_o state_n and_o kingdom_n wherein_o the_o church_n be_v have_v neither_o carnal_a sword_n nor_o spear_n as_o once_o it_o be_v in_o the_o nationall_n church_n in_o the_o land_n of_o canaan_n 1_o sam._n 13._o defender_n i_o shall_v think_v my_o eye_n be_v very_o obscure_a indeed_o if_o i_o shall_v run_v to_o a_o smith_n shop_n to_o fetch_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n from_o thence_o or_o if_o i_o shall_v think_v his_o authority_n can_v not_o be_v put_v forth_o against_o all_o evil_a doer_n and_o among_o other_o against_o heretic_n without_o a_o sword_n of_o iron_n or_o steel_n if_o their_o be_v stone_n in_o the_o street_n the_o magistrate_n need_v not_o fetch_v a_o sword_n from_o the_o smith_n shop_n nor_o a_o halter_n from_o the_o roper_n to_o punish_v a_o heretic_n a_o pleasant_a wit_n can_v play_v with_o a_o feather_n of_o every_o fly_a fancy_n and_o yet_o which_o be_v to_o be_v lament_v bring_v in_o such_o light_a conceit_n into_o grave_a discourse_n and_o dispute_n about_o the_o holy_a thing_n of_o god_n but_o two_o thing_n let_v the_o discusser_n understand_v 1._o that_o the_o lord_n through_o his_o grace_n have_v open_v my_o eye_n many_o a_o year_n ago_o to_o discern_v that_o a_o nationall_n church_n be_v not_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n and_o himself_o confess_v that_o elsewhere_o i_o have_v profess_v against_o such_o a_o church_n state_n nor_o will_v he_o ever_o be_v able_a to_o make_v it_o good_a that_o the_o church_n in_o new-england_n be_v implicit_o any_o nationall_n or_o state-church_n 2._o let_v he_o understand_v further_o that_o i_o shall_v think_v my_o eye_n not_o only_o obscure_v but_o the_o sight_n of_o it_o utter_o put_v out_o if_o i_o shall_v conceive_v as_o he_o do_v that_o the_o nationall_n church_n state_n of_o the_o jew_n do_v necessary_o call_v for_o such_o weapon_n to_o punish_v heretic_n more_o than_o the_o congregationall_a state_n of_o particular_a church_n do_v call_v for_o the_o same_o now_o in_o the_o day_n of_o the_o new-testament_n for_o be_v not_o the_o nationall_n church_n of_o the_o jew_n as_o complete_o furnish_v with_o spiritual_a armour_n to_o defend_v itself_o and_o to_o offend_v man_n and_o devil_n as_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o the_o new-testament_n be_v have_v they_o not_o power_n to_o convince_v false_a prophet_n as_o elijah_n do_v the_o prophet_n of_o baal_n have_v they_o not_o power_n to_o separate_v all_o evil_a doer_n from_o the_o fellowship_n of_o the_o congregation_n what_o power_n have_v our_o particular_a church_n now_o which_o their_o nationall_n church_n want_v or_o what_o efficacy_n be_v their_o find_v in_o the_o exercise_n of_o our_o power_n which_o be_v want_v to_o they_o if_o it_o be_v say_v their_o nation_n be_v a_o holy_a nation_n and_o a_o unclean_a person_n may_v not_o live_v among_o they_o ans_fw-fr it_o be_v true_a he_o may_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o congregation_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o israelite_n to_o worship_v the_o lord_n but_o he_o be_v permit_v to_o live_v in_o the_o commonwealth_n of_o israel_n man_n uncercumcised_a both_o in_o heart_n and_o flesh_n it_o be_v therefore_o a_o sophystical_a imagination_n of_o man_n brain_n to_o make_v a_o man_n self_n or_o the_o world_n believe_v that_o the_o nationall_n church-state_n of_o the_o jew_n require_v a_o civil_a sword_n whereas_o the_o particular_a church-state_n of_o the_o gospel_n need_v no_o such_o help_n why_o not_o i_o pray_v you_o because_o particular_a church_n be_v powerful_o able_a by_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o spirit_n to_o defend_v themselves_o and_o to_o offend_v man_n or_o devil_n and_o be_v not_o the_o nationall_n church_n of_o israel_n as_o powerful_o able_a by_o the_o same_o spirit_n to_o do_v the_o same_o sure_o it_o be_v both_o speak_v and_o mean_v of_o the_o nationall_n church_n of_o the_o jew_n not_o by_o might_n nor_o by_o power_n but_o by_o my_o spirit_n say_v the_o lord_n of_o host_n zach._n 4.6_o and_o do_v not_o the_o discusser_n himself_o observe_v that_o time_n be_v in_o the_o nationall_n church_n of_o the_o land_n of_o canaan_n when_o there_o be_v neither_o carnal_a spear_n nor_o sword_n to_o be_v find_v 1_o sam._n 13._o and_o be_v not_o then_o the_o nationall_n church_n powerful_o able_a by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o defend_v itself_o and_o to_o offend_v man_n and_o devil_n aswell_o as_o particular_a church_n now_o chap._n 69._o a_o reply_n to_o his_o chap._n 72._o discuss_v the_o testimony_n of_o brentius_n discusser_n brentius_n upon_o 1_o cor._n 3._o say_v no_o man_n have_v power_n to_o make_v or_o give_v law_n to_o christian_n whereby_o to_o bind_v their_o conscience_n for_o willing_o free_o and_o uncompelled_a with_o a_o ready_a desire_n and_o cheerful_a mind_n must_v those_o that_o come_v run_v unto_o christ_n to_o this_o the_o answerer_n return_v brentius_n say_v he_o speak_v not_o to_o your_o cause_n we_o willing_o grant_v you_o that_o man_n have_v no_o power_n to_o bind_v conscience_n but_o this_o hinder_v not_o that_o man_n may_v see_v the_o law_n of_o god_n observe_v which_o do_v bind_v conscience_n but_o the_o grant_v this_o that_o man_n have_v no_o power_n to_o make_v law_n to_o bind_v conscience_n overthrow_v such_o his_o tenent_n and_o practice_v as_o restrain_v man_n from_o their_o worship_n
abound_v in_o worldly_a blessing_n till_o the_o lord_n jesus_n come_v ride_v forth_o among_o they_o upon_o a_o white_a horse_n of_o the_o gospel_n of_o his_o grace_n yet_o after_o they_o neglect_v so_o great_a salvation_n than_o follow_v a_o red_a horse_n of_o war_n and_o a_o black_a horse_n of_o famine_n and_o a_o pale_a horse_n of_o pestilence_n and_o other_o judgement_n which_o much_o impeach_v both_o the_o health_n and_o wealth_n of_o that_o state_n and_o will_v have_v ruin_v it_o have_v it_o not_o cast_v away_o her_o idol_n and_o advance_v the_o sceptre_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n now_o the_o god_n of_o all_o grace_n be_v please_v at_o length_n to_o shake_v the_o heart_n of_o this_o discusser_n that_o he_o may_v not_o thus_o delight_v to_o seduce_v himself_o and_o other_o against_o the_o light_n of_o grace_n and_o conscience_n against_o reason_n and_o experience_n discusser_n again_o in_o the_o answerers_n joint-confession_n with_o luther_n that_o the_o church_n do_v not_o use_v the_o secular_a power_n to_o compel_v man_n to_o the_o faith_n and_o profession_n of_o the_o truth_n he_o condemn_v as_o before_o i_o have_v observe_v 1._o his_o former_a implication_n that_o they_o may_v be_v compel_v when_o they_o be_v convince_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o it_o defender_n this_o implication_n where_o it_o be_v former_o observe_v it_o have_v be_v former_o clear_v from_o implication_n of_o contradiction_n i_o have_v never_o say_v that_o after_o man_n be_v convince_v of_o the_o truth_n they_o may_v be_v compel_v to_o the_o profession_n of_o it_o by_o any_o penalty_n but_o only_o by_o withdraw_v such_o favour_n as_o be_v not_o comely_a or_o safe_a for_o faithless_a person_n discusser_n 2._o he_o condemn_v their_o own_o practice_n who_o suffer_v no_o man_n of_o any_o different_a conscience_n and_o worship_n to_o live_v in_o their_o jurisdiction_n unless_o he_o depart_v from_o the_o exercise_n of_o his_o own_o religion_n and_o worship_n differ_v from_o that_o allow_v of_o 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