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primum_fw-la quaerere_fw-la cuinam_fw-la religioni_fw-la animas_fw-la nostras_fw-la 7._o etc._n etc._n suppose_v that_o we_o now_o first_o of_o all_o do_v seek_v unto_o what_o religion_n we_o shall_v commit_v our_o soul_n to_o be_v purge_v and_o rectify_v without_o all_o doubt_n we_o must_v begin_v with_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o that_o she_o be_v the_o most_o eminent_a now_o in_o the_o world_n there_o be_v more_o christian_n in_o she_o at_o this_o day_n then_o in_o any_o other_o church_n of_o jew_n and_o gentill_n put_v together_o and_o albeit_o among_o these_o christian_n there_o may_v be_v sect_n and_o heresy_n and_o all_o of_o they_o will_v seem_v to_o be_v catholic_n and_o do_v call_v other_o beside_o themselves_o heretic_n yet_o all_o grant_n that_o if_o we_o consider_v the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o world_n there_o be_v one_o church_n among_o the_o rest_n more_o eminent_a than_o all_o other_o &_o more_o plentiful_a in_o number_n &_o as_o they_o which_o know_v she_o do_v 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to_o adventure_v upon_o so_o great_a a_o change_n in_o belief_n as_o this_o be_v after_o so_o many_o year_n be_v a_o priest_n and_o catholic_a bishop_n and_o offer_v sacrifice_n after_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n from_o the_o first_o day_n of_o our_o contreyes_n conversion_n unto_o the_o end_n of_o k._n henry_n reign_n his_o motive_n be_v as_o you_o hear_v certain_a place_n of_o the_o scripture_n which_o be_v only_o take_v out_o of_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o hebrews_n talk_v of_o christ_n bloody_a sacrifice_n on_o the_o cross_n which_o be_v but_o 10._o one_o &_o certain_a place_n of_o the_o father_n to_o wit_n two_o or_o three_o misunderstand_v out_o of_o s._n augustine_n ridley_n and_o one_o out_o of_o fulgentius_n all_o which_o notwithstanding_o prove_v nothing_o for_o his_o purpose_n as_o after_o you_o shall_v see_v declare_v in_o their_o place_n and_o turn_v and_o the_o self_n same_o father_n have_v so_o many_o other_o clear_a place_n to_o the_o contrary_a as_o 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cambridge_n at_o this_o time_n as_o peter_n martyr_n be_v in_o oxford_n and_o therefore_o as_o the_o first_o place_n be_v give_v to_o the_o say_v peter_n in_o oxford_n so_o it_o be_v likely_a that_o the_o same_o will_v have_v be_v to_o martin_n in_o cambridge_n if_o they_o have_v find_v he_o so_o pliable_a to_o their_o hand_n in_o his_o opinion_n about_o the_o sacrament_n as_o the_o other_o be_v but_o in_o no_o case_n will_v he_o be_v induce_v as_o yet_o to_o accommadate_n himself_o therein_o and_o therefore_o have_v he_o not_o any_o part_n distress_n allow_v he_o in_o this_o comedy_n either_o of_o defendant_n opponent_n disputer_n counselour_n moderator_n assistant_n or_o other_o office_n or_o employment_n nay_o it_o be_v think_v that_o he_o incur_v so_o great_a disgrace_n about_o this_o matter_n as_o he_o can_v willing_o have_v depart_v the_o realm_n again_o as_o bernardinus_fw-la ochinus_n upon_o such_o like_a discontentment_n do_v from_o london_n have_v not_o the_o necessity_n of_o 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be_v no_o church_n on_o earth_n that_o err_v not_o as_o well_o in_o faith_n as_o in_o manner_n three_o we_o be_v so_o justify_v free_o of_o god_n that_o before_o our_o justification_n disputatio_fw-la it_o be_v sin_n and_o provoke_v god_n wrath_n against_o we_o whatsoever_o good_a work_n we_o seem_v to_o do_v then_o be_v iustify_v we_o do_v good_a work_n 30._o these_o be_v bucers_n conclusion_n which_o well_o i_o may_v call_v paradox_n for_o that_o even_o in_o the_o common_a sense_n &_o judgement_n of_o every_o mean_a capacity_n the_o falsity_n and_o absurdity_n thereof_o be_v apparent_a for_o as_o touchinge_v the_o first_o though_o we_o grant_v that_o the_o divine_a book_n of_o scripture_n if_o they_o be_v few_o than_o they_o be_v respectinge_v god_n holy_a providence_n be_v sufficient_a to_o teach_v both_o regenerate_v and_o not_o regenerate_v that_o believe_v the_o verity_n thereof_o the_o true_a way_n of_o salvation_n and_o that_o the_o say_v divine_a providence_n have_v do_v and_o 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