Selected quad for the lemma: faith_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
faith_n	catholic_n	church_n	visible_a	4,689	5	9.3932	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90624	A vindication of The preacher sent, or A vvarrant for publick preaching without ordination. Wherein is further discovered. 1. That some gifted men unordained, are Gospel preachers. 2. That officers sustain not a relation (as officers) to the universal Church; and other weighty questions concerning election and ordination, are opened and cleared. In answer to two books. 1. Vindiciæ ministrij evangelici revindicatæ or the Preacher (pretendly) sent, sent back again. By Dr. Colling of Norwich. 2. Quo warranto, or a moderate enquiry into the warrantableness of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons. By Mr. Pool, at the desire and appointment of the Provincial Assembly of London. With a reply to the exceptions of Mr. Hudson and Dr. Collings against the epistle to the preacher sent. / Published by Frederick Woodal, minister of the Gospel at Woodbridge in Suffolk. Samuel Petto minister of the GospeI [sic] at Sandcraft in Suffolk.	Woodall, Frederick, b. 1614.; Petto, Samuel, 1624?-1711.	1659 (1659)	Wing P1902; Thomason E1728_2; ESTC R204138	152,808	253

their_o relation_n must_v be_v towards_o those_o among_o who_o their_o great_a work_n lie_v mr._n pool_n pag._n 17._o ans_fw-fr 1._o we_o suppose_v he_o intend_v that_o they_o be_v relate_v to_o heathen_n as_o their_o correlate_n else_o he_o speak_v nothing_o to_o the_o question_n and_o then_o 2._o his_o major_n may_v fair_o be_v deny_v the_o fight_v with_o enemy_n etc._n etc._n be_v the_o principal_a ground_n and_o end_n why_o the_o office_n of_o colonel_n captain_n and_o other_o leader_n of_o army_n be_v appoint_v and_o their_o principal_a work_n yet_o those_o enemy_n to_o be_v fight_v with_o be_v not_o the_o correlate_n to_o the_o office_n of_o colonel_n captain_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v a_o regiment_n that_o be_v the_o correlate_n to_o the_o office_n of_o a_o colonel_n and_o a_o troop_n or_o company_n that_o be_v the_o correlate_n to_o the_o office_n of_o a_o captain_n and_o so_o heathen_n to_o be_v preach_v to_o be_v not_o the_o correlate_n to_o the_o office_n of_o the_o 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insinuate_v p._n 22._o that_o their_o argument_n be_v against_o our_o practice_n may_v easy_o be_v see_v in_o their_o book_n not_o against_o the_o assertion_n but_o as_o suppose_v though_o unground_o to_o be_v contradict_v by_o our_o practice_n and_o this_o be_v enough_o to_o answer_v what_o he_o say_v pag._n 20._o 21._o 22._o and_o may_v clear_o vindicate_v we_o from_o his_o aspersion_n for_o anabaptism_n he_o repli_v nothing_o to_o what_o we_o have_v say_v preacher_n send_v pag._n 281._o where_o we_o have_v clear_o answer_v their_o three_o particular_a in_o the_o several_a branch_n and_o have_v prove_v against_o they_o that_o minister_n be_v call_v elder_n of_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n there_o be_v seven_o consequence_n which_o they_o say_v jus_fw-la divin_n min._n pag._n 140._o will_v follow_v this_o assertion_n to_o our_o exception_n against_o the_o first_o and_o second_o of_o these_o mr._n poole_n answer_v little_a or_o nothing_o what_o he_o say_v p._n 23._o be_v but_o a_o repetition_n of_o what_o he_o have_v say_v before_o which_o we_o have_v already_o answer_v in_o our_o reply_n to_o the_o three_o we_o argue_v against_o that_o position_n that_o a_o man_n be_v make_v a_o member_n of_o a_o church_n by_o baptism_n mr._n poole_n tell_v we_o it_o be_v none_o of_o their_o assertion_n that_o they_o allow_v infant_n to_o be_v bear_v church-member_n and_o make_v their_o church-membership_a the_o ground_n of_o their_o baptism_n and_o a_o pari_fw-la a_o heathen_a convert_v and_o profess_v the_o faith_n be_v a_o church-member_n inchoate_n before_o baptism_n and_o that_o this_o only_a they_o say_v that_o the_o solemn_a public_a and_o visible_a way_n of_o admission_n of_o member_n into_o the_o church_n be_v by_o baptism_n mr._n poole_n pag._n 23._o 24._o ans_fw-fr 1._o they_o say_v that_o every_o minister_n by_o baptism_n admit_v into_o the_o catholic_n visible_a

church_n jus_fw-la diu._n min._n pag._n 139._o and_o mr._n poole_n say_v pag._n 25._o in_o scripture_n there_o be_v ne_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d quidem_fw-la of_o any_o other_o door_n of_o admission_n and_o call_v the_o contrary_a a_o monstrous_a paradox_n pag._n 28._o and_o how_o he_o can_v deny_v it_o to_o be_v their_o assertion_n or_o free_v himself_o from_o self-contradiction_n in_o these_o expression_n we_o know_v not_o for_o what_o difference_n be_v there_o between_o be_v made_n a_o church-member_n by_o baptism_n and_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n and_o how_o can_v one_o be_v a_o church-member_n fore_o baptism_n and_o yet_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n especial_o if_o there_o be_v not_o any_o other_o door_n of_o admission_n how_o can_v those_o that_o be_v within_o the_o church_n already_o be_v say_v without_o a_o loss_n of_o membership_n to_o be_v admit_v into_o it_o by_o any_o after_o act_v sure_o admission_n be_v of_o those_o who_o be_v without_o and_o no_o member_n not_o of_o those_o who_o be_v within_o and_o be_v church-member_n the_o scripture_n know_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o a_o be_v church-member_n inchoate_n either_o they_o be_v church-member_n or_o not_o if_o they_o be_v church-member_n as_o he_o confess_v they_o be_v before_o baptism_n than_o they_o be_v admit_v for_o membership_n presuppose_v admission_n 2._o as_o well_o may_v we_o say_v that_o man_n be_v officer_n by_o a_o church_n election_n before_o ordination_n and_o only_o the_o solemn_a admission_n into_o the_o office_n or_o rather_o exercise_v of_o it_o to_o be_v by_o ordination_n as_o he_o may_v assert_v a_o admission_n by_o baptism_n after_o membership_n and_o then_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o office_n be_v not_o in_o ordination_n 3._o if_o infant_n church-membership_a be_v as_o he_o say_v pag._n 24._o the_o ground_n of_o their_o baptism_n than_o they_o be_v visible_a church-member_n before_o their_o be_v baptise_a for_o the_o ground_n of_o a_o action_n must_v be_v visible_a before_o act_v and_o so_o their_o visible_a admission_n into_o the_o church_n be_v not_o by_o baptism_n but_o before_o it_o and_o in_o convert_n profession_n of_o faith_n which_o he_o suppose_v they_o church-member_n by_o must_v first_o be_v visible_a and_o so_o their_o visible_a admission_n into_o the_o church_n be_v antecedaneous_a to_o and_o be_v not_o by_o their_o baptism_n and_o as_o public_a as_o their_o profession_n be_v so_o public_a be_v their_o visible_a church-membership_a or_o admission_n into_o the_o church_n before_o baptism_n as_o to_o what_o follow_v pag._n 24._o 25._o we_o former_o do_v and_o still_o do_v deny_v that_o a_o minister_n eject_v a_o man_n just_o out_o of_o his_o own_o church_n eject_v he_o juridical_o out_o of_o all_o other_o church_n for_o this_o see_v our_o answer_n to_o dr._n collings_n epistle_n object_n if_o he_o be_v not_o juridical_o eject_v out_o of_o other_o church_n than_o he_o be_v in_o a_o capacity_n of_o be_v receive_v into_o other_o church_n which_o what_o horrid_a confusion_n it_o will_v introduce_v etc._n etc._n mr._n poole_n pag._n 24._o answ_n it_o will_v not_o follow_v for_o that_o sin_n which_o make_v the_o ejection_n just_a will_v make_v another_o church_n admission_n unjust_a yet_o mens_fw-la incapacity_n to_o be_v receive_v by_o other_o church_n do_v not_o arise_v from_o their_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o those_o church_n but_o from_o the_o want_n of_o such_o qualification_n as_o be_v perquisite_a to_o admission_n into_o church-fellowship_n he_o grant_v p._n 25._o that_o when_o a_o minister_n be_v juridical_o eject_v out_o of_o office_n in_o a_o particular_a church_n by_o deposition_n he_o cease_v to_o be_v a_o officer_n to_o the_o universal_a church_n whence_o we_o infer_v that_o if_o he_o repent_v and_o become_v a_o officer_n again_o he_o must_v have_v a_o new_a ordination_n or_o else_o he_o may_v of_o no_o officer_n become_v a_o officer_n without_o ordination_n and_o so_o ordination_n be_v not_o essential_a to_o office_n that_o which_o follow_v pag._n 25._o be_v but_o a_o repetition_n of_o what_o he_o have_v say_v and_o be_v answer_v before_o that_o such_o as_o be_v convert_v from_o heathenism_n may_v join_v as_o member_n to_o some_o church_n and_o so_o be_v baptize_v we_o prove_v preacher_n sent._n pag._n 289._o he_o repli_v nothing_o to_o the_o proof_n of_o it_o yet_o charge_v we_o for_o obtrude_a uncouth_a notion_n upon_o the_o world_n without_o evident_a proof_n etc._n etc._n and_o he_o that_o say_v pag._n 24._o they_o be_v church-member_n inchoate_v before_o baptism_n and_o who_o make_v so_o little_a a_o matter_n of_o admission_n into_o a_o particular_a church_n shall_v not_o stumble_v at_o this_o notion_n and_o what_o be_v say_v to_o show_v that_o admission_n be_v not_o by_o baptism_n will_v not_o be_v far_o from_o a_o proof_n of_o it_o our_o argument_n preacher_n sent._n pag._n 292._o plain_o show_v that_o their_o assertion_n run_v they_o upon_o anabaptism_n mr._n poole_n pag._n 26._o 27._o give_v a_o double_a reason_n against_o it_o 1._o that_o a_o excommunicate_a person_n ordinary_o be_v a_o church-member_n though_o a_o disease_a member_n 2_o thes_n 3._o etc._n etc._n 2._o though_o his_o baptism_n cease_v at_o present_a actual_o and_o real_o as_o to_o all_o the_o actual_a privilege_n of_o it_o so_o cease_v that_o while_n he_o repent_v not_o he_o be_v to_o be_v look_v upon_o after_o a_o sort_n as_o a_o unbaptised_a person_n yet_o when_o he_o do_v repent_v and_o readmit_v himself_o to_o the_o church_n he_o need_v no_o new_a baptism_n forasmuch_o as_o god_n be_v please_v to_o impute_v to_o he_o his_o former_a baptism_n and_o the_o church_n accept_v of_o it_o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o anabaptism_n unavoidable_o follow_v upon_o their_o assertion_n thus_o he_o that_o cease_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n his_o baptism_n cease_v say_v they_o jus_n divin_n min._n pag._n 146._o but_o he_o that_o 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p._n 2._o pag._n 432._o trelcatius_n instit_fw-la theol._n l._n 2._o pag._n 204_o 205._o duae_fw-la sunt_fw-la causae_fw-la cur_n inter_fw-la suum_fw-la &_o christi_fw-la baptismum_fw-la distinguat_fw-la pri●r_fw-la ut_fw-la notet_fw-la differentiam_fw-la inter_fw-la baptismum_fw-la extrenum_fw-la aquae_fw-la &_o baptismum_fw-la internum_fw-la spiritus_fw-la altera_fw-la ut_fw-la distinguat_fw-la inter_fw-la personam_fw-la &_o officium_fw-la suum_fw-la &_o inter_fw-la personam_fw-la &_o ●fficium_fw-la christi_fw-la etc._n etc._n qui_fw-la patris_fw-la de_fw-fr discrimine_fw-la utriusque_fw-la baptismi_fw-la egerunt_fw-la aut_fw-la de_fw-la circumstantiis_fw-la &_o modo_fw-la patefactionis_fw-la christi_fw-la egerunt_fw-la tantum_fw-la non_fw-la de_fw-la substantia_fw-la aut_fw-la efficatia_fw-la ut_fw-la origines_fw-la justi●us_n nazianzenus_n chrysost_n cyrillus_n aut_fw-la de_fw-la baptismo_fw-la sive_fw-la externo_fw-la johannis_n sive_fw-la interno_fw-la christi_fw-la 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