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please_v it_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n with_o the_o whole_a church_n etc._n etc._n and_o 22._o saint_n paul_n be_v despiseyee_o the_o church_n of_o god_n &_o c_o and_o in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o 2._o ephesian_n unto_o he_o be_v glory_n in_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n and_o to_o 5._o timothy_n how_o shall_v he_o take_v care_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n the_o church_n in_o this_o notion_n be_v in_o scripture_n compare_v to_o a_o field_n wherein_o be_v tare_n with_o the_o wheat_n a_o floor_n wherein_o be_v chaff_n with_o grain_n a_o net_n wherein_o be_v sweet_a fish_n and_o rot_a a_o house_n in_o which_o be_v precious_a vessel_n and_o vile_a to_o the_o ark_n in_o which_o be_v clean_o and_o unclean_a beast_n to_o the_o church_n take_v in_o this_o sense_n 18._o christ_n direct_v we_o tell_v the_o church_n and_o saint_n paul_n that_o 15._o thou_o may_v know_v how_o thou_o ought_v to_o behave_v thyself_o in_o the_o house_n of_o god_n which_o be_v the_o church_n of_o the_o live_a god_n and_o saint_n matrem_fw-la cyprian_n he_o have_v no_o right_a to_o the_o reward_n of_o christ_n who_o leave_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n he_o be_v a_o stranger_n he_o be_v a_o profane_a person_n for_o he_o can_v have_v god_n to_o his_o father_n who_o have_v not_o the_o church_n for_o his_o mother_n and_o saint_n 8._o augustine_n videro_fw-la i_o will_v not_o account_v thou_o a_o christian_n unless_o i_o see_v thou_o in_o the_o church_n the_o four_o assertion_n the_o church_n in_o this_o notion_n as_o it_o extend_v to_o all_o that_o profess_v the_o true_a religion_n and_o participate_v in_o the_o pledge_n of_o salvation_n be_v ever_o be_v and_o shall_v be_v in_o some_o degree_n visible_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n that_o it_o have_v ever_o be_v hitherto_o visible_a all_o history_n accord_v and_o that_o it_o shall_v so_o continue_v to_o the_o world_n end_n our_o saviour_n word_n be_v our_o warrant_n 20._o go_v you_o and_o teach_v all_o nation_n etc._n etc._n 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etc._n it_o be_v true_a antichrist_n shall_v make_v great_a havoc_n of_o the_o church_n and_o there_o shall_v be_v such_o a_o fall_v away_o that_o christ_n at_o his_o second_o come_n shall_v scarce_o find_v faith_n on_o the_o earth_n false_a prophet_n and_o false_a christ_n shall_v arise_v and_o seduce_v if_o it_o be_v possible_a the_o elect_a but_o that_o be_v not_o possible_a hell-gate_n shall_v never_o so_o far_o prevail_v against_o the_o church_n whatsoever_o become_v of_o hypocrite_n and_o temporizer_n it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o elect_n shall_v remain_v in_o it_o and_o retain_v the_o 〈◊〉_d faith_n and_o if_o they_o retain_v it_o they_o will_v also_o profess_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 10._o for_o with_o the_o heart_n man_n believe_v unto_o righteousness_n 〈◊〉_d with_o the_o tongue_n confession_n be_v make_v unto_o salvation_n sainâ—_n gentibus_fw-la austen_n thus_o stop_v the_o mouth_n of_o the_o donatist_n what_o be_v that_o that_o thou_o say_v the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d already_o perish_v and_o go_v out_o of_o all_o nation_n 〈◊〉_d therefore_o the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v that_o it_o may_v be_v in_o all_o nation_n therefore_o even_o unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n 〈◊〉_d church_n shall_v be_v in_o all_o nation_n i_o may_v save_v the_o labour_n of_o heap_v more_o testimony_n to_o confirm_v this_o point_n because_o 53._o m._n fisher_n in_o his_o reflection_n on_o the_o conference_n spend_v many_o line_n and_o much_o labour_n in_o fortify_v it_o as_o a_o strong_a bulwark_n as_o he_o imagine_v against_o us._n i_o conclude_v therefore_o with_o saint_n ambrose_n 2._o ecclesia_fw-la 〈◊〉_d potest_fw-la effluere_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la the_o church_n may_v be_v evershadowed_a it_o can_v quite_o fail_v or_o be_v 〈◊〉_d the_o five_o assertion_n the_o militant_a visible_a church_n be_v not_o always_o equal_o visible_a but_o sometime_o it_o be_v more_o visible_a sometime_o it_o be_v less_o it_o be_v more_o visible_a in_o the_o prophet_n david_n be_v day_n 2._o when_o he_o 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of_o antichrists_n tyranny_n when_o king_n 17._o shall_v give_v their_o kingdom_n to_o the_o beast_n in_o regard_n of_o this_o mutable_a estate_n of_o the_o militant_a church_n 8._o micah_n give_v she_o this_o motto_n rejoice_v not_o over_o i_o o_o my_o enemy_n though_o i_o fall_v i_o shall_v rise_v again_o and_o solomon_n liken_v she_o to_o the_o moon_n 10._o my_o love_n be_v fair_a as_o the_o moon_n to_o which_o ground_n saint_n austen_n allude_v interprete_v 10._o obscuram_fw-la lunam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la the_o moon_n in_o the_o eclipse_n or_o darken_a the_o church_n in_o trouble_n and_o persecution_n and_o saint_n 8._o ambrose_n ecclesia_fw-la ut_fw-la luna_fw-la defectus_fw-la habet_fw-la et_fw-la orâ—us_fw-la frequentes_fw-la the_o church_n as_o the_o moon_n have_v she_o often_o waxing_n and_o waining_n and_o in_o his_o rutilat_fw-la epistle_n the_o moon_n itself_o whereby_o in_o the_o