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3._o and_o sess_v 13._o the_o extreme_a unct_n cap._n 3._o and_o sess_v 22._o the_o sacrif_n missae_fw-la cap._n 8._o 7_o grace_n bestow_v in_o baptism_n do_v take_v away_o whatsoever_o have_v the_o true_a &_o proper_a nature_n of_o sin_n sess_v de_fw-fr pec_fw-fr orig_n can_v 5._o 8_o concupiscence_n in_o the_o regenerate_a be_v not_o true_o and_o proper_o sin_n d._n canon_n 5._o 9_o man_n do_v free_o assent_v to_o and_o cooperate_v or_o work_v together_o with_o god_n exciting_a and_o cooperate_a grace_n so_o that_o he_o can_v also_o reject_v or_o refuse_v the_o same_o grace_n sess_n 6._o the_o iustif_a cap._n 5._o and_o dessent_fw-la if_o he_o will_n can_v 4._o 10_o the_o only_a formal_a cause_n of_o justification_n be_v justice_n or_o righteousness_n inhaerent_n d._n sess_v de_fw-fr iustit_fw-la cap._n 7._o 11_o by_o keep_v the_o commandment_n of_o the_o
church_n a_o man_n do_v increase_v in_o the_o justice_n which_o he_o receive_v by_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n and_o be_v more_o justify_v cap._n 10._o 12_o the_o just_a in_o some_o action_n do_v not_o sin_v venial_o cap._n 11._o 13_o by_o every_o mortal_a sin_n a_o man_n fall_v away_o from_o the_o grace_n of_o justification_n which_o he_o have_v receive_v cap._n 14_o 15._o and_o can_v 23._o 14_o by_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n the_o grace_n of_o justification_n which_o be_v lose_v be_v recover_v cap._n 14._o 15_o the_o good_a work_n of_o a_o man_n that_o be_v justify_v be_v his_o merit_n can_v 32._o 16_o the_o just_a true_o deserve_v everlasting_a life_n by_o work_n wrought_v in_o god_n cap._n 16._o and_o can_v 32._o 17_o unless_o a_o man_n faithful_o and_o firm_o believe_v the_o catholic_n doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n touch_v justification_n he_o can_v be_v save_v cap._n 16._o sect._n post_fw-la hanc_fw-la 18_o some_o that_o be_v not_o predestinate_a receive_v 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that_o be_v to_o be_v offer_v d._n sess_v cap._n 7._o 35_o the_o name_n of_o subdeacons_n acolytes_n exorcist_n lector_n and_o doorkeeper_n and_o the_o proper_a office_n of_o every_o one_o of_o these_o have_v be_v ever_o since_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o church_n sess_v 23._o de_fw-la sacram_fw-la oâ—dinis_fw-la cap._n 2._o and_o de_fw-la reformat_fw-la cap._n 28._o 36_o matrimony_n contract_v not_o consummate_v be_v dissolve_v by_o the_o solemn_a profession_n of_o religion_n by_o either_o party_n sess_v 24._o de_fw-la sacram_fw-la matrimon_n can_v 6._o 37_o there_o be_v a_o purgatory_n sess_v 25._o decret_a de_fw-fr purgat_fw-la 38_o the_o soul_n which_o reign_v with_o christ_n do_v offer_v up_o their_o prayer_n to_o god_n for_o man_n sess_v 25._o decret_a de_fw-fr innocatione_n sanctorum_fw-la 39_o it_o be_v good_a &_o profitable_a humble_o to_o call_v upon_o the_o saint_n forenamed_a and_o to_o fly_v to_o their_o prayer_n help_n and_o furtherance_n for_o the_o obtain_n of_o benefit_n 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sess_v 25._o decret_a de_fw-fr indulgent_a chap._n xii_o that_o many_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v false_a and_o erroneous_a upon_o the_o 43_o proposition_n set_v down_o out_o of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n in_o the_o former_a chapter_n i_o thus_o argue_v to_o prove_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n erroneous_a the_o aforesaid_a article_n or_o proposition_n be_v false_a and_o erroneous_a the_o aforesaid_a article_n or_o proposition_n be_v article_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n therefore_o some_o of_o the_o article_n or_o proposition_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v false_a and_o erroneous_a touch_v these_o proposition_n that_o they_o be_v article_n of_o the_o say_v of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n it_o be_v evident_a because_o we_o find_v they_o in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n propound_v to_o be_v believe_v of_o all_o christian_n be_v these_o all_o will_v some_o man_n say_v wherein_o 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