the_o church_n of_o christ._n and_o this_o be_v say_v to_o have_v amount_v into_o a_o formal_a separation_n from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o to_o have_v continue_v for_o the_o space_n of_o somewhat_o more_o than_o one_o hundred_o year_n now_o that_o such_o a_o separation_n there_o be_v of_o the_o african_a church_n from_o rome_n and_o a_o reconciliation_n after_o stand_v upon_o the_o credit_n and_o authority_n of_o two_o public_a instrument_n extant_a both_o among_o the_o ancient_a counsel_n the_o one_o be_v a_o 544._o a_o epist._n bonifacii_n 2._o apud_fw-la nicol._n to._n 2._o council_n p._n 544._o epistle_n from_o boniface_n the_o second_o in_o who_o time_n the_o reconciliation_n to_o rome_n be_v say_v to_o be_v make_v by_o eulalius_n then_o bishop_n of_o carthage_n but_o the_o separation_n instigante_fw-la diabolo_fw-it by_o the_o temptation_n of_o the_o devil_n the_o other_o be_v a_o 525._o a_o exemp_n precum_fw-la apud_fw-la nicolin_n ibid._n p._n 525._o exemplar_n 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separation_n in_o a_o nationall_n council_n of_o their_o own_o which_o have_v in_o it_o two_o hundred_o and_o seventeen_o bishop_n that_o this_o separation_n be_v make_v for_o aught_o appear_v only_a because_o they_o at_o rome_n be_v too_o ready_a to_o entertain_v appeal_v from_o the_o church_n of_o africa_n as_o appear_v in_o the_o case_n of_o 844._o of_o and_o so_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n send_v word_n to_o pope_n calestine_n plain_o that_o in_o admit_v such_o appeal_v he_o break_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a epist._n council_n africa_n ad_fw-la calestinum_fw-la c._n 105._o apud_fw-la nicolin_n tom._n 1._o council_n p._n 844._o apiarius_n who_o then_o appeal_v thither_o that_o s._n augustine_n eugenius_n fulgentius_n and_o all_o those_o bishop_n and_o other_o martyr_n which_o suffer_v in_o the_o uandalike_a persecution_n dye_v in_o the_o time_n of_o this_o separation_n that_o if_o this_o separation_n be_v not_o just_a but_o a_o schism_n than_o these_o 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from_o the_o roman_a church_n therefore_o either_o ruffinus_n do_v not_o think_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v infallible_a or_o else_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n at_o this_o day_n reckon_v up_o more_o book_n within_o the_o canon_n than_o heretofore_o she_o do_v if_o she_o do_v than_o she_o be_v change_v in_o a_o main_a point_n of_o faith_n the_o canon_n of_o scripture_n and_o be_v absolute_o convince_v not_o to_o be_v infallible_a for_o if_o she_o be_v right_o in_o her_o reckon_n then_o she_o be_v wrong_v now_o and_o if_o she_o be_v right_a now_o she_o be_v wrong_v then_o and_o if_o she_o do_v not_o reckon_v more_o now_o than_o she_o do_v when_o ruffinus_n live_v than_o he_o reckon_v few_o than_o she_o and_o so_o dissent_v from_o she_o which_o doubtless_o he_o dare_v not_o have_v do_v have_v he_o think_v her_o judgement_n infallible_a yea_o and_o he_o set_v this_o mark_n upon_o his_o dissent_n beside_o 189._o beside_o novi_fw-la &_o veteris_fw-la testamenti_fw-la volumina_fw-la etc._n etc._n sicut_fw-la ex_fw-la patrum_fw-la monumentis_fw-la accepimus_fw-la ruff._n in_o symb._n p._n 188._o et_fw-la haec_fw-la sunt_fw-la quae_fw-la patres_fw-la intra_fw-la canonem_fw-la concluserunt_fw-la et_fw-la ex_fw-la quibus_fw-la fidei_fw-la nostrae_fw-la assertiones_fw-la constare_fw-la voluerunt_fw-la ib._n p._n 189._o that_o he_o reckon_v up_o the_o book_n of_o the_o canon_n just_a so_o and_o no_o otherwise_o than_o as_o he_o receive_v they_o out_o of_o the_o monument_n of_o the_o forefather_n and_o out_o of_o which_o the_o assertion_n of_o our_o faith_n be_v to_o be_v take_v last_o of_o all_o have_v this_o place_n of_o ruffinus_n any_o strength_n for_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o there_o be_v very_o little_a reason_n that_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o clergy_n shall_v take_v any_o benefit_n by_o it_o for_o s._n k._n s._n si_fw-mi episcopi_fw-la romani_fw-la est_fw-la stultè_fw-la facis_fw-la ab_fw-la eo_fw-la exemplar_n epistolae_fw-la 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impio_fw-la de_fw-la athanasio_fw-la loquor_fw-la subsidio_fw-la venire_fw-la &_o pacem_fw-la orbis_n ac_fw-la mundi_fw-la totius_fw-la dirimere_fw-la audeas_fw-la liberius_n esto_fw-la quod_fw-la ego_fw-la solus_fw-la sim_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la propterea_fw-la causa_fw-la fidei_fw-la fit_v inferior_a nam_fw-la olim_fw-la tres_fw-la solum_fw-la erant_fw-la reperti_fw-la qui_fw-la rggis_n mandato_fw-la resisterent_fw-la etc._n etc._n theod._n l._n 2._o hist._n eccles._n c._n 16._o dialogo_fw-la inter_fw-la constant._n imp._n &_o liberium_fw-la papam_fw-la so_o that_o pope_n do_v not_o think_v multitude_n any_o great_a note_n of_o the_o true_a church_n vbi_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n qui_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la multitudiné_fw-fr definiunt_fw-la &_o parvum_fw-la gregem_fw-la aspernantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n greg._n naz._n orat_fw-la 25._o prin_fw-mi nay_o the_o arrian_n be_v grow_v to_o that_o boldness_n that_o they_o object_v to_o the_o catholic_n of_o that_o time_n paucitatem_fw-la 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laity_n and_o the_o poor_a 2._o poor_a basiliense_n concilium_fw-la concessit_fw-la bohemis_n utriusque_fw-la speciâ—…i_fw-la usum_fw-la modò_fw-la faterentur_fw-la id_fw-la sibi_fw-la concedi_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesiâ_fw-la non_fw-la autem_fw-la
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religione_fw-la christianâ_fw-la cap._n 1._o socinian_o these_o dissent_v party_n agree_v full_o and_o clear_o that_o christ_n be_v man._n well_o then_o dare_v a._n c._n stick_v to_o his_o rule_n here_o and_o say_v it_o be_v safe_a for_o a_o christian_a in_o this_o great_a point_n of_o faith_n to_o govern_v his_o belief_n by_o the_o consent_n of_o these_o dissent_v party_n or_o the_o confession_n and_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o adverse_a party_n and_o so_o settle_v his_o belief_n that_o christ_n be_v a_o mere_a man_n and_o not_o god_n i_o hope_v he_o dare_v not_o so_o then_o this_o rule_n to_o resolve_v a_o man_n faith_n into_o that_o in_o which_o the_o dissent_v party_n agree_v or_o which_o the_o adverse_a part_n confess_v be_v as_o often_o false_a as_o true_a and_o false_a in_o as_o great_a if_o not_o great_a matter_n than_o those_o in_o which_o it_o be_v true_a and_o where_o it_o be_v true_a a._n c._n and_o his_o fellow_n dare_v not_o govern_v themselves_o by_o it_o the_o 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câ—…_n extra_fw-la out_o of_o aâ—…l_a â—…nd_n oâ—…_n scrâ—…ure_n but_o out_o of_o a_o jealousy_n at_o least_o that_o this_o of_o trent_n and_o some_o other_o have_v in_o their_o determinâ—…s_n leave_v both_o â—…ter_n and_o sense_n of_o scripture_n show_v this_o against_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a and_o i_o will_v grant_v so_o much_o of_o the_o case_n to_o be_v like_a but_o what_o will_v you_o say_v if_o niâ—…linum_n if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n 2._o 〈◊〉_d syâ—…_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d niâ—…linum_n constâ—…_n require_v that_o 〈◊〉_d thus_o bring_v into_o question_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d by_o testimony_n out_o of_o scripture_n and_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d council_n never_o refuse_v that_o â—…e_n and_o what_o will_v you_o say_v if_o they_o profess_v they_o depart_v not_o from_o it_o 〈◊〉_d 517._o
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spiritualiter_fw-la idest_fw-la invisibiliter_fw-la &_o per_fw-la virtutem_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sancti_fw-la thom._n p._n 3._o q._n 75._o a._n 1._o ad_fw-la 1_o um_o spiritualiter_fw-la manducandus_fw-la est_fw-la per_fw-la fidem_fw-la &_o charitatem_fw-la tena_n in_o heb._n 13._o difficultate_fw-la 8._o faith_n make_v spiritual_o partaker_n of_o the_o true_a and_o real_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n etc._n christ_n i_o will_v have_v no_o man_n trouble_v at_o the_o word_n true_o and_o real_o for_o that_o bless_a sacrament_n receive_v as_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v true_o and_o real_o exhibit_v and_o apply_v the_o body_n and_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n to_o the_o receiver_n so_o bishop_n white_a in_o his_o defence_n against_o t._n w._n p._n edit_n london_n 1617._o p._n 138._o and_o calvin_n in_o 1_o cor._n 10._o 3._o verè_fw-la datur_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o again_o in_o 1_o cor._n 11._o 24._o neque_fw-la enim_fw-la mortis_fw-la tantùm_fw-la &_o resurrectionis_fw-la 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quidquid_fw-la fit_a de_fw-la modis_fw-la loquendi_fw-la illud_fw-la tenendum_fw-la est_fw-la conversionem_fw-la panis_n &_o uini_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la &_o sanguinem_fw-la christi_fw-la esse_fw-la substantialem_fw-la sed_fw-la arcanam_fw-la &_o ineffabilem_fw-la &_o nullis_fw-la naturalibus_fw-la conversionibus_fw-la per_fw-la omne_fw-la similem_fw-la etc._n etc._n bellar._n in_o recognit_n huius_fw-la loci_fw-la et_fw-fr vid._n §._o 38._o nu._n 3_o whatsoever_o be_v concern_v the_o manner_n and_o form_n of_o speech_n illud_fw-la tenendum_fw-la est_fw-la this_o be_v to_o be_v hold_v that_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n into_o the_o body_n and_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v substantial_a but_o after_o a_o secret_a and_o ineffable_a manner_n and_o not_o like_a in_o all_o thing_n to_o any_o natural_a conversion_n whatsoever_o now_o if_o he_o have_v leave_v out_o conversion_n and_o affirm_v only_a christ_n real_a presence_n there_o after_o a_o mysterious_a and_o 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be_v give_v take_v and_o eat_v in_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n only_o after_o a_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a manner_n and_o the_o mean_n whereby_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v receive_v and_o eat_v be_v faith_n eccl._n ang._n art_n 28._o so_o here_o be_v the_o manner_n of_o transubstantiation_n deny_v but_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n twice_o affirm_v and_o in_o the_o prayer_n before_o consecration_n thus_o grant_v we_o gracious_a lord_n so_o to_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o thy_o dear_a son_n jesus_n christ_n and_o to_o drink_v his_o blood_n etc._n etc._n and_o again_o in_o the_o second_o prayer_n or_o thanksgiving_n after_o consecration_n thus_o we_o give_v thou_o thanks_o for_o that_o thou_o do_v vouchsafe_v to_o feed_v we_o which_o have_v due_o receive_v these_o holy_a mystery_n with_o the_o spiritual_a food_n of_o the_o most_o precious_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o thy_o son_n our_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n etc._n etc._n eucharist_n unless_o a._n c._n can_v make_v a_o 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unlearned_a in_o those_o time_n and_o all_o time_n their_o zeal_n they_o hold_v the_o foundation_n may_v eat_v out_o their_o ignorances_n and_o leave_v they_o safe_a now_o that_o the_o learned_a protestant_n in_o q._n mary_n day_n do_v not_o deny_v nay_o do_v maintain_v the_o real_a presence_n will_v manifest_o appear_v for_o when_o the_o commissioner_n obtrude_v to_o io._n frith_n the_o presence_n of_o christ_n natural_a body_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o that_o without_o all_o figure_n or_o similitude_n io._n frith_n acknowledge_v 943._o acknowledge_v io._n fox_n marâ—…rolog_n to._n 2._o london_n 1597._o pag._n 943._o that_o the_o inward_a man_n do_v as_o very_o receive_v christ_n body_n as_o the_o outward_a man_n receive_v the_o sacrament_n with_o his_o mouth_n and_o he_o add_v ibid._n add_v fox_n ibid._n that_o neither_o side_n ought_v to_o make_v it_o a_o necessary_a article_n of_o faith_n but_o leave_v it_o indifferent_a nay_o archbishop_n cranmer_n come_v more_o plain_o and_o more_o home_n to_o it_o then_o frith_n for_o if_o you_o understand_v say_v 1301._o say_v cranmer_n apud_fw-la fox_n ibid._n p._n 1301._o he_o by_o this_o word_n really_n reipsâ_fw-la that_o be_v in_o very_a deed_n and_o effectual_o so_o christ_n by_o the_o grace_n and_o efficacy_n of_o his_o passion_n be_v indeed_o and_o true_o present_a etc._n etc._n but_o if_o by_o this_o word_n really_n you_o understand_v c._n understand_v i_o say_v corporalitèr_fw-la corporal_o for_o so_o bellarmine_n have_v it_o express_o quod_fw-la autem_fw-la corporalitèr_fw-la &_o propriè_fw-la sumatur_fw-la sanguis_fw-la &_o caro_fw-la etc._n etc._n probari_fw-la potest_fw-la omnibus_fw-la argumentis_fw-la etc._n etc._n bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr eucharist_n c._n 12._o §._o sed_fw-la tota_fw-la and_o i_o must_v be_v bold_a to_o tell_v you_o more_o then_o that_o this_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o too_o that_o bellarmine_n here_o contradict_v himself_o for_o he_o that_o tell_v we_o here_o that_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o many_o argument_n that_o we_o receive_v the_o flesh_n and_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o eucharist_n corporaliter_fw-la say_v as_o express_o before_o have_v he_o remember_v it_o that_o though_o christ_n be_v in_o this_o bless_a sacrament_n verè_fw-la &_o realiter_fw-la yet_o say_v he_o non_fw-la dicemus_fw-la corporaliter_fw-la i._n e._n co_fw-la modo_fw-la quo_fw-la suâ_fw-la naturâ_fw-la existunt_fw-la corpora_fw-la etc._n etc._n bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr euchar._n c._n 2._o §._o tertia_fw-la regula_n so_o bellarm._n here_o be_v in_o a_o notorious_a contradiction_n or_o else_o it_o will_v follow_v plain_o out_o of_o he_o that_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v existent_a one_o way_n and_o receive_v another_o which_o be_v a_o gross_a absurdity_n and_o that_o corporaliter_fw-la be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o mean_v by_o transubstantiation_n be_v far_a plain_n in_o the_o book_n call_v the_o institution_n of_o a_o christian_a man_n set_v forth_o by_o the_o bishop_n in_o convocation_n in_o hen._n 8._o time_n a_o 1534_o cap._n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o altar_n the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d unaâ—…r_v the_o form_n and_o figure_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n the_o very_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v corporal_o real_o etc._n etc._n exhibit_v and_o receive_v etc._n etc._n and_o aquinas_n express_v it_o thus_o quia_fw-la tamen_fw-la substantia_fw-la corporis_fw-la christi_fw-la realiter_fw-la non_fw-la dâ—…iditur_fw-la à _fw-la sva_fw-la quantitate_fw-la dimensiuâ_fw-la &_o ab_fw-la aliis_fw-la 〈◊〉_d â—…bus_fw-la indè_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la ex_fw-la virealis_fw-la concomitantiae_fw-la est_fw-la in_o hoc_fw-la sacramento_n tota_fw-la quantitas_fw-la dimensiva_fw-la corporis_fw-la christi_fw-la &_o omne_fw-la accidentia_fw-la ejus_fw-la tho._n p._n 3._o q._n 76._o ar._n 4._o c._n corporaliter_fw-la corporal_o in_o his_o natural_a and_o organical_a body_n under_o the_o form_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n it_o
ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la teneri_fw-la divino_fw-la jure_fw-la bel._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr sacrament_n in_o genere_fw-la c._n 2._o §._o 2._o bohemian_o must_v have_v a_o dispensation_n that_o it_o may_v be_v lawful_a for_o they_o to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n as_o christ_n command_v they_o and_o this_o must_v not_o be_v grant_v to_o they_o neither_o unless_o they_o will_v acknowledge_v most_o opposite_a to_o truth_n that_o they_o be_v not_o bind_v by_o divine_a law_n to_o receive_v it_o in_o both_o kind_n and_o here_o their_o building_n with_o untempered_a mortar_n appear_v most_o manifest_o for_o they_o have_v no_o show_n to_o maintain_v this_o but_o the_o fiction_n of_o thomas_n of_o aquin_n that_o he_o which_o receive_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n receive_v also_o his_o blood_n per_fw-la †_o concomitantiam_fw-la by_o concomitancy_n because_o the_o blood_n go_v always_o with_o the_o body_n of_o which_o term_n passim_fw-la term_n tho._n p._n 3._o q._n 76._o a._n 2._o c._n &_o alibi_fw-la passim_fw-la thomas_n be_v the_o first_o author_n i_o can_v yet_o find_v first_o then_o if_o this_o be_v true_a i_o hope_v christ_n know_v it_o and_o then_o why_o do_v he_o so_o unuseful_o institute_v it_o in_o both_o kind_n next_o if_o this_o be_v true_a concomitancy_n accompany_v the_o priest_n as_o well_o as_o the_o people_n and_o then_o why_o may_v not_o he_o receive_v it_o in_o one_o kind_n also_o three_o this_o be_v apparent_o not_o true_a for_o the_o eucharist_n be_v a_o sacrament_n sanguinis_fw-la effusi_fw-la of_o blood_n shed_v and_o pour_v out_o and_o blood_n pour_v out_o and_o so_o sever_v from_o the_o body_n go_v not_o along_o with_o the_o body_n per_fw-la concomitantiam_fw-la and_o yet_o christ_n must_v rather_o err_v or_o proceed_v i_o know_v not_o how_o in_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o both_o kind_n rather_o than_o the_o holy_a unerring_a church_n of_o rome_n may_v do_v amiss_o in_o the_o determination_n for_o it_o and_o the_o administration_n of_o it_o in_o one_o kind_n nor_o will_v the_o distinction_n that_o christ_n institute_v this_o as_o a_o sacrifice_n to_o which_o both_o kind_n be_v necessary_a serve_v the_o turn_n for_o suppose_v that_o true_a yet_o he_o institute_v it_o as_o a_o sacrament_n also_o or_o else_o that_o sacrament_n have_v no_o institution_n from_o christ_n which_o i_o presume_v a._n c._n dare_v not_o affirm_v and_o that_o institution_n which_o this_o sacrament_n have_v from_o christ_n be_v in_o both_o kind_n and_o since_o here_o be_v mention_n happen_v of_o sacrifice_n my_o 3._o punct_a 3._o three_o instance_n shall_v be_v in_o the_o sacrifice_n which_o be_v offer_v up_o to_o god_n in_o that_o great_a and_o high_a mystery_n of_o our_o redemption_n by_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n for_o as_o christ_n offer_v up_o euchar._n up_o christ_n by_o his_o own_o blood_n enter_v once_o into_o the_o holy_a place_n and_o obtain_v eternal_a redemption_n for_o we_o heb._n 9_o 12._o and_o this_o be_v do_v by_o way_n of_o sacrifice_n by_o the_o offering_n of_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n once_o make_v heb._n 10._o 10._o christ_n give_v himself_o for_o we_o to_o be_v a_o offer_v and_o a_o sacrifice_n of_o a_o sweet_a smell_a savour_n unto_o god_n eph._n 5._o 2._o out_o of_o which_o place_n the_o school_n infer_v passioâ—…_n christi_fw-la verum_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la suisse_fw-la tho._n p._n 3._o q._n 48._o art_n 3._o c_o christ_n do_v suffer_v death_n upon_o the_o cross_n for_o our_o redemption_n and_o make_v there_o by_o his_o one_o oblation_n of_o himself_o once_o offer_v a_o full_a perfect_a and_o sufficient_a sacrifice_n oâ—…lation_n and_o satisfaction_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n eccles._n ang._n in_o canone_o consecrationis_fw-la euchar._n himself_o once_o for_o all_o a_o full_a and_o all-sufficient_a sacrifice_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n so_o do_v he_o institute_n and_o command_v a_o ibid._n a_o and_o christ_n do_v institute_n and_o in_o his_o holy_a gospel_n command_v we_o to_o continue_v a_o perpetual_a memory_n of_o that_o his_o precious_a death_n until_o his_o come_v again_o eccles._n ang._n ibid._n memory_n of_o this_o sacrifice_n in_o a_o sacrament_n even_o till_o his_o come_n again_o for_o at_o and_o in_o the_o eucharist_n we_o offer_v up_o to_o god_n three_o sacrifice_n one_o by_o the_o priest_n only_o that_o be_v the_o 560._o the_o sacramentum_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la commemorativum_fw-la dominicae_fw-la passionis_fw-la quae_fw-la fuit_fw-la verum_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la &_o sic_fw-la nominatur_fw-la sacrifiâ—…_n tho._n p._n 3._o q._n 73._o a._n 4._o c._n christ_n be_v offer_v up_o once_o for_o all_o in_o his_o own_o proper_a person_n be_v yet_o say_v to_o be_v offer_v up_o etc._n etc._n in_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n because_o his_o oâ—…lation_n one_o for_o ever_o make_v be_v thereby_o represent_v lambert_n in_o fox_n 〈◊〉_d martyrolog_n uol_fw-it 2._o edit_fw-la lond._n 1597._o p._n 1033_o et_fw-la postea_fw-la it_o be_v a_o memorial_n or_o representation_n thereof_o ibid._n the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o sentence_n judge_v true_o in_o this_o point_n say_v that_o whâ—…_n be_v offer_v and_o consecrate_a of_o the_o priest_n be_v call_v a_o sacrifice_n aâ—…_n oblation_n because_o it_o be_v a_o memory_n and_o representation_n of_o tâ—…_n true_a sacrifice_n and_o holy_a oblation_n make_v on_o the_o altar_n of_o tâ—…_n crosse._n archbishop_n cranmer_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o bishop_n 〈◊〉_d concern_v the_o most_o holy_a sacrament_n l._n 5._o p._n 377._o aâ—…_n again_o this_o short_o be_v the_o mind_n of_o lombardus_fw-la that_o the_o thâ—…_n which_o be_v do_v at_o god_n board_n be_v a_o sacrifice_n and_o so_o be_v that_o 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v make_v upon_o the_o cross_n but_o not_o after_o one_o mannâ—…_n 〈◊〉_d understanding_n i_o or_o this_o be_v the_o thing_n indeed_o and_o that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d commemoration_n of_o the_o thing_n ibid._n so_o likewise_o bishop_n 〈◊〉_d acknowledge_v incruentum_fw-la &_o rationabile_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la 〈◊〉_d of_o by_o euseb._n de_fw-fr demonstrat_n evang._n l._n 〈◊〉_d jeâ—…ls_n 〈◊〉_d against_o harding_n art_n 7._o divis._n 9_o again_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o holy_a communion_n be_v sometime_o of_o the_o ancâ—…ent_a 〈◊〉_d call_v a_o unbloody_a sacrifice_n not_o in_o respect_n of_o any_o corpoâ—…_n fleshly_a presence_n that_o be_v imagine_v to_o be_v there_o without_o 〈◊〉_d shed_v but_o for_o that_o it_o represent_v and_o report_v to_o 〈◊〉_d mind_n that_o one_o and_o everlasting_a sacrifice_n that_o christ_n make_v 〈◊〉_d body_n upon_o the_o crosse._n this_o bishop_n jewel_n dislike_v not_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o harding_n art_n 17._o divis._n 14._o patres_fw-la coenam_fw-la dominicam_fw-la duplici_fw-la de_fw-la causa_fw-la vocarunt_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la incruentum_fw-la tum_o quod_fw-la sit_fw-la imago_fw-la &_o solennis_fw-la repraesentatio_fw-la illius_fw-la sacrificii_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d quod_fw-la christus_fw-la cum_fw-la sanguinis_fw-la effusione_n obtulit_fw-la in_o cruse_n tum_o quod_fw-la sit_fw-la etiam_fw-la eucharisticum_n sacrificium_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la laudis_fw-la &_o gratiarum_fw-la actionis_fw-la cùm_fw-la pro_fw-la beneficiis_fw-la omnibus_fw-la tum_fw-la pro_fw-la redemptione_n imprimis_fw-la per_fw-la christi_fw-la mortem_fw-la peractâ_fw-la zanch._n in_o 2._o praecep_v decal_n t._n 4._o p._n 459_o and_o d._n fulke_o also_o acknowledge_v a_o sacrifice_n in_o the_o eucharist_n in_o s._n mat._n 26._o 26._o non_fw-la dissimulaverint_fw-la christiani_n in_fw-la coena_fw-la domini_fw-la five_o ut_fw-la ipsi_fw-la loquebantur_fw-la in_fw-la sacrificio_fw-la altaris_fw-la peculiari_fw-la quodam_fw-la modo_fw-la praesentem_fw-la se_fw-la venerari_fw-la deum_fw-la christianorum_fw-la sed_fw-la quae_fw-la esset_fw-la forma_fw-la ejus_fw-la sacrificii_fw-la quod_fw-la per_fw-la symbola_fw-la panis_n &_o vini_fw-la peragitur_fw-la hoc_fw-la veteres_n praese_fw-fr non_fw-la ferebant_fw-la isa._n casaub._n exercit._n 16._o ad_fw-la annal._n baron_n §._o 43._o p._n 560._o commemorative_a sacrifice_n of_o christ_n death_n represent_v in_o bread_n break_v and_o wine_n pour_v out_o another_o by_o the_o 377._o the_o in_o the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n we_o pray_v to_o god_n immediate_o after_o the_o reception_n of_o the_o sacrament_n that_o he_o will_v be_v please_v to_o accept_v this_o our_o sacrifice_n of_o praise_n and_o thanksgiving_n etc._n etc._n and_o heb._n 13._o 15._o the_o sacrifice_n propitiatory_a be_v make_v by_o christ_n himself_o only_o but_o the_o sacrifice_n commemorative_n and_o gratulatory_a be_v make_v by_o the_o priest_n and_o the_o people_n archbishop_z cranmer_z in_o his_o answer_n to_o bishop_n gardner_n l._n 5_o p._n 377._o priest_n &_o the_o people_n joint_o and_o that_o be_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o praise_n and_o thanksgiving_n for_o all_o the_o benefit_n and_o grace_n we_o receive_v by_o the_o precious_a death_n of_o christ._n the_o three_o sacrament_n three_o i_o beseech_v you_o brethren_n by_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n that_o you_o give_v up_o your_o body_n a_o live_a sacrifice_n holy_a and_o acceptable_a unto_o god_n rom._n 12._o
1._o we_o offer_v and_o present_a unto_o thou_o o_o lord_n ourselves_o our_o soul_n and_o body_n to_o be_v a_o reasonable_a holy_a and_o live_a sacrifice_n unto_o thou_o so_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o the_o prayer_n after_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o bless_a sacrament_n by_o every_o particular_a man_n for_o himself_o only_o and_o that_o be_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o every_o man_n body_n and_o soul_n to_o serve_v he_o in_o both_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o life_n for_o this_o blessing_n thus_o bestow_v on_o he_o now_o thus_o far_o these_o dissent_v church_n agree_v that_o in_o the_o eucharist_n there_o be_v a_o sacrifice_n of_o duty_n and_o a_o sacrifice_n of_o praise_n and_o a_o sacrifice_n of_o commemoration_n of_o christ._n therefore_o according_a to_o the_o former_a rule_n and_o here_o in_o truth_n too_o it_o be_v fafe_a for_o a_o man_n to_o believe_v the_o commemorative_n the_o praise_v and_o the_o perform_v sacrifice_n and_o to_o offer_v they_o due_o to_o god_n and_o 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think_v so_o mean_o of_o i_o that_o though_o this_o be_v no_o hard_a work_n in_o itself_o yet_o that_o i_o such_o be_v my_o weakness_n can_v prove_v it_o i_o shall_v leave_v he_o to_o enjoy_v that_o opinion_n of_o i_o or_o what_o ever_o else_o he_o shall_v be_v please_v to_o entertain_v and_o be_o far_o better_a content_n with_o this_o his_o opinion_n of_o my_o weakness_n then_o with_o that_o which_o follow_v of_o my_o pride_n for_o he_o add_v that_o i_o can_v 73._o a._n c._n p._n 73._o prove_v any_o error_n or_o superstition_n to_o be_v in_o the_o roman_a religion_n but_o by_o presume_v with_o intolerable_a pride_n to_o make_v myself_o or_o some_o of_o my_o fellow_n to_o be_v judge_n of_o controversy_n and_o by_o take_v authority_n to_o censure_v all_o to_o be_v superstition_n and_o error_n too_o which_o suit_n not_o with_o my_o fancy_n although_o it_o be_v general_o hold_v or_o practise_v by_o the_o universal_a church_n which_o say_v he_o in_o s._n augustine_n judgement_n be_v most_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d what_o not_o prove_v any_o superstition_n any_o errâ—…ur_n at_o rome_n but_o by_o pride_n and_o that_o 〈◊〉_d true_o i_o will_v to_o god_n a._n c._n see_v my_o heart_n and_o all_o the_o pride_n that_o lodge_v therein_o but_o wherein_o do_v this_o pride_n appear_v that_o he_o censure_v i_o so_o deep_o why_o first_o in_o this_o that_o i_o can_v prove_v any_o error_n or_o superstition_n to_o be_v in_o the_o roman_a religion_n unless_o i_o make_v myself_o or_o 〈◊〉_d of_o my_o fellow_n judge_n of_o controversy_n indeed_o if_o i_o take_v this_o upon_o i_o i_o be_v guilty_a of_o great_a pride_n but_o a_o c._n know_v well_o that_o before_o in_o this_o conference_n which_o he_o undertake_v to_o answer_n i_o be_o so_o far_o from_o make_v myself_o or_o any_o of_o my_o fellow_n judge_n of_o controversy_n that_o 11._o that_o §._o 33._o §._o 26._o nu._n 1._o &_o 11._o i_o absolute_o make_v a_o lawful_a and_o free_a general_n council_n judge_n of_o controversy_n by_o and_o according_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o this_o i_o learn_v from_o 3._o from_o praeponitur_fw-la scripturae_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr bapt._n cont_n donat_n c._n 3._o s._n augustine_n with_o this_o that_o ever_o the_o scripture_n be_v to_o have_v the_o prerogative_n above_o the_o council_n nay_o a._n c._n shall_v remember_v here_o that_o 63._o that_o §._o 32._o nu._n 5._o a._n c._n p._n 63._o he_o himself_o tax_v i_o for_o give_v too_o much_o power_n to_o a_o general_n council_n and_o bind_v man_n to_o a_o strict_a obedience_n to_o it_o even_o in_o case_n of_o error_n and_o therefore_o sure_a most_o innocent_a i_o be_o of_o the_o intolerable_a pride_n which_o he_o be_v please_v to_o charge_n upon_o i_o and_o he_o of_o all_o man_n most_o unfit_a to_o charge_v it_o second_o a._n c._n will_v have_v my_o pride_n appear_v in_o this_o 73._o a._n c._n p._n 73._o that_o i_o take_v authority_n to_o censure_v all_o for_o
error_n and_o superstition_n which_o suit_n not_o with_o my_o own_o fancy_n but_o how_o can_v this_o possible_o be_v since_o i_o submit_v my_o judgement_n in_o all_o humility_n to_o the_o scripture_n interpret_v by_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o upon_o new_a and_o necessary_a doubt_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o lawful_a and_o free_a general_n council_n and_o this_o i_o do_v from_o my_o very_a heart_n and_o do_v abhor_v in_o matter_n of_o religion_n that_o my_o own_o or_o any_o private_a man_n fancy_n shall_v take_v any_o place_n and_o least_o of_o all_o against_o thing_n general_o hold_v or_o practise_v by_o the_o universal_a church_n which_o to_o oppose_v in_o such_o thing_n be_v certain_o as_o 5._o as_o s._n aug._n epist._n â—…8_n 〈◊〉_d 5._o s._n augustine_n call_v it_o insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la a_o attempt_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n but_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o church_n of_o england_n charge_n upon_o the_o roman_a party_n to_o be_v superstitious_a and_o erroneous_a be_v not_o hold_v or_o practise_v in_o or_o by_o the_o universal_a church_n general_o either_o for_o time_n or_o place_n and_o now_o i_o will_v have_v a._n c._n consider_v how_o just_o all_o this_o may_v be_v turn_v upon_o himself_o for_o he_o have_v nothing_o to_o pretend_v that_o there_o be_v not_o gross_a superstition_n and_o error_n in_o the_o roman_a persuasion_n unless_o by_o intolerable_a pride_n he_o will_v make_v himself_o and_o his_o party_n judge_n of_o controversy_n as_o in_o effect_n he_o do_v for_o he_o will_v be_v judge_v by_o none_o but_o the_o pope_n and_o a_o council_n of_o his_o order_n or_o unless_o he_o will_v take_v authority_n to_o free_a from_o superstition_n and_o error_n whatsoever_o suit_n with_o his_o fancy_n though_o it_o be_v even_a superstition_n itself_o and_o run_v cross_a to_o what_o have_v be_v general_o hold_v in_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n yea_o though_o to_o do_v so_o be_v in_o s._n augustine_n judgement_n most_o 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give_v to_o the_o due_a consideration_n of_o which_o and_o god_n mercy_n in_o christ_n i_o leave_v you_o to_o this_o conclusion_n of_o the_o conference_n between_o i_o and_o the_o jesuite_n a._n c._n say_v not_o much_o but_o that_o which_o he_o do_v say_v be_v either_o the_o self_n same_o which_o he_o have_v say_v already_o or_o else_o be_v quite_o mistake_v in_o the_o business_n that_o which_o he_o have_v say_v already_o be_v this_o that_o in_o matter_n 73._o a._n c._n p._n 73._o of_o faith_n we_o be_v to_o submit_v our_o judgement_n to_o such_o doctor_n and_o pastor_n as_o by_o visible_a continual_a succession_n without_o change_n bring_v the_o faith_n down_o from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n to_o these_o our_o day_n and_o shall_v so_o carry_v it_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n and_o that_o this_o succession_n be_v not_o find_v in_o any_o other_o church_n differ_v in_o doctrine_n from_o the_o roman_a church_n now_o to_o this_o i_o have_v give_v a_o full_a answer_n 4._o answer_n §._o 57_o nu._n 3_o 4._o already_o and_o therefore_o will_v not_o trouble_v the_o reader_n with_o needless_a and_o troublesome_a repetition_n then_o he_o bring_v certain_a place_n of_o scripture_n to_o prove_v the_o pope_n infallibility_n but_o to_o all_o these_o place_n i_o have_v likewise_o answer_v 5._o answer_v §._o 25._o nu._n 5._o before_o and_o therefore_o a._n c._n need_v not_o to_o repeat_v they_o again_o as_o if_o they_o have_v be_v unanswerable_a one_o place_n of_o scripture_n only_o a._n c._n have_v not_o urge_v before_o either_o for_o proof_n of_o this_o continue_a visible_a succession_n or_o for_o the_o pope_n infallibility_n nor_o do_v a._n c._n distinct_o 73._o a._n c._n p._n 73._o set_v down_o by_o which_o of_o the_o two_o he_o will_v prove_v it_o the_o place_n be_v 11._o be_v epheâ—…_n 4._o 11._o ephes._n 4._o christ_n ascend_v give_v some_o to_o be_v apostle_n some_o prophet_n some_o evangelist_n some_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n etc._n etc._n for_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n now_o if_o he_o do_v mean_a to_o prove_v the_o pope_n infallibility_n by_o this_o place_n in_o his_o pastoral_a judgement_n true_o i_o do_v not_o see_v how_o this_o can_v possible_o be_v collect_v thence_o apostle_n thence_o pontificatus_fw-la summus_n disertè_fw-la positus_fw-la est_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolo_n in_fw-la illis_fw-la verbis_fw-la eph._n 4._o 11._o &_o in_o illis_fw-la clarioribus_fw-la 1._o cor._n 12._o 28._o ipse_fw-la posuit_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la primùm_fw-la apostolos_fw-la etc._n etc._n bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr ro._n pont._n c._n 1._o §._o respondeo_fw-la pontificatum_fw-la and_o he_o give_v a_o excellent_a reason_n for_o it_o siquidem_fw-la summa_fw-la potestas_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la non_fw-la solùm_fw-la data_fw-la est_fw-la petro_n sedetiam_fw-la aliis_fw-la apostolis_n ibid._n so_o belike_o by_o this_o reason_n the_o apostle_n do_v clear_o express_v the_o popedom_n because_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n have_v as_o much_o ecclesiastical_a power_n as_o s._n peter_n have_v but_o then_o bellarmine_n will_v salve_v it_o up_o with_o this_o that_o this_o power_n be_v give_v petro_n ut_fw-la ordinary_n pastori_fw-la cvi_fw-la succederetur_fw-la aliis_fw-la verò_fw-la tanquam_fw-la delegatis_fw-la quibus_fw-la non_fw-la succederetur_fw-la ibid._n but_o this_o be_v mere_a beg_n of_o the_o question_n and_o will_v never_o be_v grant_v unto_o he_o and_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n we_o have_v his_o absolute_a confession_n for_o the_o other_o that_o the_o supreme_a ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v not_o in_o s._n peter_n alone_o but_o in_o all_o the_o apostle_n christ_n give_v some_o to_o be_v apostle_n for_o the_o edification_n of_o his_o church_n therefore_o s._n peter_n and_o all_o his_o successor_n be_v infallible_a in_o their_o pastoral_a judgement_n and_o if_o he_o mean_v to_o prove_v the_o continue_a visible_a succession_n which_o he_o say_v be_v to_o he_o find_v in_o no_o church_n but_o the_o roman_a there_o be_v a_o little_a more_o show_n but_o to_o no_o more_o purpose_n a_o little_a more_o show_v because_o it_o be_v add_v 13._o add_v eph._n 4._o 13._o verse_n 13._o that_o the_o apostle_n and_o prophet_n etc._n etc._n shall_v continue_v at_o their_o work_n and_o that_o must_v needs_o be_v by_o succession_n till_o we_o all_o meet_v in_o unity_n and_o perfection_n of_o christ._n but_o to_o no_o more_o purpose_n for_o it_o be_v not_o say_v that_o they_o or_o their_o successor_n shall_v continue_v at_o this_o their_o work_n in_o a_o personal_a uninterrupted_a succession_n in_o any_o one_o particular_a church_n roman_a or_o other_o nor_o ever_o will_v a._n c._n be_v able_a to_o prove_v that_o such_o a_o succession_n be_v necessary_a in_o any_o one_o particular_a place_n and_o if_o he_o can_v yet_o his_o own_o word_n tell_v we_o the_o personal_a succession_n be_v nothing_o if_o the_o faith_n be_v not_o bring_v down_o without_o change_n from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n to_o this_o day_n and_o so_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n now_o here_o be_v a_o piece_n of_o cunning_a too_o the_o faith_n 73._o a._n c._n p._n 73._o bring_v down_o unchanged_a for_o if_o a._n c._n mean_v by_o the_o faith_n the_o creed_n and_o that_o in_o letter_n it_o be_v true_a the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v receive_v and_o bring_v down_o the_o faith_n unchanged_a from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n to_o these_o our_o day_n but_o then_o it_o be_v apparent_o false_a that_o no_o church_n differ_v from_o the_o roman_a in_o doctrine_n have_v keep_v that_o faith_n unchanged_a and_o that_o by_o a_o visible_a and_o continue_a succession_n for_o the_o greek_a church_n differ_v from_o the_o roman_a in_o doctrine_n and_o yet_o have_v so_o keep_v that_o faith_n unchanged_a but_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o the_o faith_n unchanged_a and_o yet_o bring_v down_o in_o a_o continual_a visible_a succession_n not_o only_o the_o creed_n in_o letter_n but_o in_o sense_n