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A53662 Tutamen evangelicum, or, A defence of Scripture-ordination, against the exceptions of T.G. in a book intituled, Tentamen novum proving, that ordination by presbyters is valid, Timothy and Titus were no diocesan rulers, the presbyters of Ephesus were the apostles successors in the government of that church, and not Timothy, the first epistle to Timothy was written before the meeting at Miletus, the ancient Waldenses had no diocesan bishops, &c./ by the author of the Plea for Scripture-ordination. Owen, James, 1654-1706. 1697 (1697) Wing O710; ESTC R9488 123,295 224

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207_o parish_n in_o crete_n which_o divide_v between_o twenty_o five_o bishop_n there_o fall_v but_o eight_o parish_n to_o the_o share_n of_o each_o bishop_n and_o a_o overplus_n of_o 7_o 25_o part_n how_o different_a be_v these_o from_o modern_a bishopric_n a_o bishop_n may_v better_v oversee_a eight_o or_o nine_o parish_n than_o eight_o or_o nine_o score_n of_o parish_n j._n o._n prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n consist_v of_o no_o more_o member_n than_o can_v ordinary_o meet_v in_o one_o place_n because_o that_o church_n have_v but_o one_o altar_n at_o which_o the_o whole_a congregation_n ordinary_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n in_o ignatius_n his_o time_n mr._n g._n answer_n that_o ignatius_n one_o altar_n signify_v not_o one_o numerical_a 143._o p._n 143._o but_o one_o specifical_a altar_n then_o ignatius_n one_o bishop_n must_v signify_v not_o one_o numerical_a but_o one_o specifical_a bishop_n he_o think_v there_o be_v more_o than_o one_o numerical_a altar_n 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