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A01735 A short reply vnto the last printed books of Henry Barrow and Iohn Greenwood, the chiefe ringleaders of our Donatists in England VVherein is layd open their grosse ignorance, and foule errors: vpon which their whole building is founded. By George Gyfford, minister of Gods holy worde, in Maldon. Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1591 (1591) STC 11868; ESTC S118836 80,934 106

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elect_n be_v among_o they_o as_o in_o other_o place_n of_o the_o world_n look_v also_o what_o i_o have_v say_v touch_v this_o whole_a matter_n which_o he_o do_v not_o here_o say_v yea_o even_o from_o that_o which_o be_v in_o ezechiel_n 16._o where_o you_o ask_v who_o but_o this_o perverse_a fellow_n speak_v of_o i_o can_v thus_o stumble_v and_o cavil_v at_o those_o word_n my_o son_n and_o my_o daughter_n &_o c_o but_o if_o it_o be_v not_o plain_a enough_o which_o master_n caluine_n say_v in_o this_o which_o i_o have_v recite_v to_o prove_v that_o you_o will_v bear_v the_o simple_a in_o hand_n that_o the_o learned_a divine_n be_v of_o another_o mind_n and_o yet_o understand_v not_o their_o mind_n i_o will_v add_v a_o little_a more_o out_o of_o the_o same_o author_n in_o his_o epistle_n 404._o thus_o he_o write_v quòd_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la reliquias_fw-la manere_fw-la in_o papatu_fw-la dico_fw-la non_fw-la restringo_fw-la ad_fw-la electos_fw-la qui_fw-la illic_fw-la dispersi_fw-la sunt_fw-la sed_fw-la ruinas_fw-la dissipatae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la illic_fw-la extare_fw-la intelligo_fw-la ac_fw-la ne_fw-la mihilongis_fw-la rationibus_fw-la disputandum_fw-la sit_fw-la nos_fw-la pauli_fw-la autoritate_fw-la contentos_fw-la esse_fw-la decet_fw-la qui_fw-la antichristum_n in_o temple_n deisessurum_fw-la pronuntiat_fw-la quamquam_fw-la &_o hoc_fw-la rationibus_fw-la satis_fw-la validis_fw-la i_o probasse_n puto_fw-la ecelesiam_fw-la licet_fw-la semiruptam_fw-la imo_fw-la silubet_fw-la diruptam_fw-la ac_fw-la deformem_fw-la aliquam_fw-la tamen_fw-la manere_fw-la in_o papatu_fw-la in_o that_o i_o say_v the_o remnant_n of_o the_o church_n remain_v in_o the_o papacy_n i_o do_v not_o restrain_v it_o to_o the_o elect_a which_o be_v disperse_v there_o but_o i_o mean_v that_o the_o ruin_n of_o a_o disperse_a church_n be_v extant_a among_o they_o and_o that_o i_o may_v not_o dispute_v the_o matter_n with_o reason_n at_o large_a it_o become_v we_o to_o be_v content_a and_o 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you_o will_v needs_o have_v it_o that_o god_n have_v give_v i_o up_o into_o a_o reprobate_a sense_n the_o matter_n touch_v not_o i_o so_o much_o as_o master_n caluine_n and_o beza_n and_o many_o other_o most_o worthy_a man_n which_o so_o expound_v it_o nay_o if_o god_n open_v your_o eye_n you_o shall_v see_v whether_o you_o do_v not_o like_v rabsaka_fw-mi reproach_n the_o lord_n god_n who_o have_v utter_v it_o by_o his_o apostle_n the_o first_o be_v this_o if_o antichrist_n may_v be_v say_v to_o sit_v reign_n and_o remain_v in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n than_o christ_n be_v not_o make_v heir_n and_o lord_n of_o all_o and_o set_v as_o king_n upon_o mount_n zion_n a_o worthy_a collection_n be_v it_o not_o because_o god_n in_o righteous_a judgement_n for_o the_o punishment_n of_o those_o that_o receive_v not_o the_o love_n of_o the_o truth_n give_v power_n unto_o satan_n and_o antichrist_n to_o seduce_v the_o multitude_n in_o the_o visible_a church_n christ_n be_v not_o heir_n of_o all_o 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