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that_o no_o infant_n under_o the_o law_n be_v to_o be_v circumcise_v except_o he_o be_v a_o member_n of_o that_o visible_a church_n see_v therefore_o they_o leave_v this_o pattern_n it_o must_v follow_v as_o i_o say_v that_o they_o make_v the_o argument_n void_a and_o of_o no_o effect_n and_o so_o refute_v their_o own_o writing_n and_o destroy_v again_o the_o thing_n which_o they_o have_v build_v 3._o see_v by_o compare_v their_o practice_n with_o their_o profession_n they_o be_v not_o so_o true_a to_o their_o own_o ground_n as_o they_o ought_v this_o custom_n become_v the_o great_a blot_n and_o dishonour_n unto_o they_o that_o they_o be_v not_o true_a to_o their_o ground_n i_o have_v manifest_v before_o to_o which_o this_o further_a may_v be_v add_v in_o a_o synod_n hold_v at_o dort_n anno_fw-la 1578._o it_o be_v there_o agree_v that_o all_o parent_n before_o they_o bring_v their_o child_n to_o be_v baptize_v shall_v get_v unto_o the_o minister_n or_o elder_n that_o so_o they_o may_v give_v notice_n unto_o the_o church_n who_o child_n it_o be_v that_o shall_v be_v baptize_v now_o for_o what_o end_n shall_v the_o parent_n be_v enjoin_v to_o acquaint_v the_o church_n officer_n with_o this_o thing_n unless_o their_o meaning_n be_v that_o none_o but_o member_n child_n shall_v be_v baptize_v if_o they_o have_v intend_v that_o thing_n shall_v be_v as_o they_o be_v now_o baptise_v all_o bring_v to_o the_o congregation_n then_o true_o with_o reverence_n be_v it_o speak_v they_o make_v a_o very_a unnecessary_a article_n for_o what_o need_n be_v there_o of_o tell_v the_o church_n who_o child_n they_o be_v if_o all_o bring_v there_o must_v be_v baptize_v last_o let_v it_o be_v consider_v whither_o the_o unsound_a doctrine_n of_o the_o papist_n get_v not_o countenance_n by_o this_o custom_n who_o teach_v 293._o teach_v aegid_a topiar_n in_o epist._n &_o euang._n p._n 293._o that_o god_n commandment_n must_v sometime_o give_v place_n unto_o man_n tradition_n object_n 2._o 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serm._n l._n 2._o par_fw-fr 2._o pag._n 106._o pet._n mart._n loc_fw-la come_v clas_n 4._o c._n 5._o pag._n 783._o keckerm_n system_fw-la s.s._n theol._n lib._n 3._o p._n 400._o judicious_o observe_v have_v their_o place_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o respect_n of_o he_o the_o head_n it_o be_v a_o monarchy_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o eldership_n a_o aristocracy_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o body_n a_o popular_a state_n further_o i_o do_v affirm_v that_o this_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n be_v unchangeable_a ordinary_a best_a and_o perpetual_a common_a to_o all_o true_a church_n and_o unto_o which_o all_o estate_n must_v be_v subject_a as_o brethren_n so_o every_o officer_n likewise_o and_o good_a reason_n too_o for_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n a_o point_n of_o the_o gospel_n yea_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o it_o and_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n so_o far_o i_o mean_v as_o other_o of_o god_n ordinance_n but_o not_o to_o speak_v any_o more_o of_o the_o necessity_n 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2.5_o 2._o thess_n 3.14_o the_o assumption_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o sundry_a of_o our_o best_a divine_n that_o first_o gouvernment_n of_o the_o church_n say_v mr._n brightman_n 3._o brightman_n on_o revel_v chap._n 2_o p._n 65_o edit_n 3._o be_v common_a to_o all_o time_n and_o place_n and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v permit_v to_o be_v at_o the_o arbitrement_n of_o man_n to_o follow_v what_o way_n they_o listen_v but_o that_o always_o in_o reform_v a_o church_n we_o must_v have_v recourse_n unto_o the_o first_o beginning_n to_o the_o which_o as_o our_o only_a rule_n we_o must_v call_v back_o whatsoever_o stray_v from_o it_o and_o that_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v turn_v &_o tune_v according_a to_o the_o crookedness_n and_o jar_a sound_n of_o the_o succeed_a church_n mr._n parker_n 300._o parker_n polit._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 23._o pag._n 59_o &_o l._n 3._o p._n 95._o &_o 300._o have_v in_o
effect_n the_o very_a same_o speech_n so_o mr._n cartwright_n 26._o cartwright_n repl._n to_o whitg_n l._n 1._o p._n 25._o 26._o and_o b._n bilson_n 148._o bilson_n perpet_n gouvernm_fw-la pag._n 3._o eccl._n polit._n l._n 4._o p._n 148._o likewise_o hooker_n give_v a_o reason_n for_o it_o namely_o because_o the_o first_o state_n of_o thing_n be_v best_a etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o custom_n law_n and_o ordinance_n deuâ—sed_v since_o be_v not_o so_o good_a for_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o the_o best_a way_n be_v to_o cut_v off_o late_a invention_n and_o to_o reduce_v thing_n unto_o the_o ancient_a state_n wherein_o at_o the_o first_o they_o be_v and_o this_o agree_v with_o tertullians_n 5._o tertullians_n cont._n mar._n l._n 4._o c._n 5._o say_v of_o old_a that_o be_v true_a which_o be_v first_o that_o be_v first_o which_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n that_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n which_o be_v from_o the_o apostle_n argument_n ii_o 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which_o he_o see_v in_o the_o mount_n even_o so_o etc._n etc._n argument_n iii_o whatsoever_o be_v command_v to_o the_o 7_o church_n to_o be_v practise_v by_o each_o of_o they_o apart_z in_o and_o for_o themselves_o that_o no_o church_n of_o god_n must_v now_o omit_v but_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n be_v command_v to_o the_o 7_o church_n to_o be_v practise_v by_o each_o of_o they_o apart_z in_o and_o for_o themselves_o therefore_o no_o church_n of_o god_n must_v omit_v the_o practice_n of_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n apart_o in_o and_o for_o themselves_o the_o proposition_n can_v be_v doubt_v off_o for_o as_o chytraeus_n 54._o chytraeus_n in_o rev._n c._n 1._o p._n 29._o 54._o artopeus_n 11._o artopeus_n in_o cap._n 1._o p._n 11._o bullinger_n 8._o bullinger_n in_o rev._n 2._o hom._n 8._o brightman_n ch_n brightman_n in_o rev._n 1.2_o &_o 3._o ch_n and_o other_o write_v all_o church_n from_o these_o aught_o to_o learn_v what_o gouvernment_n to_o exercise_v what_o doctrine_n to_o teach_v what_o person_n to_o excommunicate_v who_o to_o receive_v and_o to_o comfort_n and_o the_o like_a the_o assumption_n be_v prove_v clear_o in_o chap._n 2._o ver_fw-la 2.14.20_o etc._n etc._n moreover_o mr._n perkins_n 7._o perkins_n expos_fw-la upon_z ch_z 2._o v._n 20._o &_o ch_n 3._o v._n 7._o speak_v of_o those_o church_n say_v god_n give_v to_o every_o of_o they_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o preach_v the_o word_n administer_v the_o sacrament_n repress_v evil_a man_n decern_v false_a prophet_n &_o to_o exclude_v all_o obstinate_a sinner_n from_o all_o spiritual_a privilege_n among_o they_o argument_n iu._n if_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n have_v power_n and_o authority_n within_o herself_o to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n yea_o and_o do_v it_o i_o mean_v the_o ministry_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n there_o then_o ought_v not_o particular_a congregation_n now_o to_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o first_o part_n be_v unquestionable_o certain_a and_o of_o this_o judgement_n be_v d._n willet_n 1._o willet_n cont._n 9_o cent._n 1._o d._n fulke_o 5.4_o fulke_o answ_n to_o the_o rhem._n 1_o cor._n 5.4_o zanehy_n 688_o zanehy_n in_o praecep_v 4._o c._n 19_o p._n 688_o bucer_n 9_o bucer_n de_fw-fr regn._n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 9_o piscator_fw-la 1._o piscator_fw-la in_o 1._o cor._n 5._o obser_n 1._o d._n andrew_n 42._o andrew_n tort._n tor_z pag._n 42._o pet._n martyr_n 5._o martyr_n 1._o cor._n 5._o polanus_fw-la 19_o polanus_fw-la synt._n theo._n l._n 7._o c._n 19_o d._n feild_n 5._o feild_n of_o the_o church_n l._n 1._o c._n 5._o paraeus_n eccom_n paraeus_n in_o 1._o co_z 5_o de_fw-fr eccom_n zwinglius_fw-la comp_n zwinglius_fw-la epichir_n de_fw-fr can._n missae_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la valent_n comp_n and_o other_o again_o whereas_o the_o papist_n and_o hierarchy_n do_v say_v much_o after_n mr._n pagets_n 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and_o for_o itself_o immediate_o from_o christ_n to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n and_o all_o other_o religious_a
controversy_n lean_v upon_o it_o i_o will_v speak_v further_o of_o it_o in_o the_o next_o section_n there_o be_v yet_o other_o reason_n to_o prove_v our_o assertion_n the_o which_o i_o will_v here_o lay_v down_o more_o brief_o 1._o if_o every_o eldership_n have_v alike_o and_o equal_a power_n as_o hierome_n ena_n hierome_n ep._n ad_fw-la ena_n cyprian_n eccles_n cyprian_n l._n the_o unitâ—_n eccles_n bucer_n 15._o bucer_n de_fw-fr bâ—gâ—_n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 15._o and_o other_o affirm_v then_o may_v not_o the_o officer_n of_o one_o congregation_n seek_v by_o authority_n to_o suppress_v the_o act_n and_o decree_v conclude_v in_o another_o 2._o it_o be_v against_o sense_n that_o a_o minister_n shall_v undertake_v the_o care_n of_o more_o church_n than_o one_o only_o who_o read_v in_o scriptute_fw-la of_o a_o steward_n over_o many_o family_n a_o shepherd_n over_o divers_a flock_n etc._n etc._n nature_n have_v ordain_v say_v aristotle_n 2_o aristotle_n lib._n 1._o c._n 2_o one_o unto_o 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