granted which hee cannot proove that those Christians at Antioch consenied to the doctrine of the Gospell by answering Yea to it or bowing their heads in testimony of their approbation of it Yet this helpes not his case at all unlesse hee can proove 1. That they were not members of any visible Church 2. That their conversation was irreligious 3. That they presented their infants to the Minister in the Congregation and after saying Yea or nodding the head to some questions propounded had them baptised Thus are his answers very wind and no more savour in them then in the white of an egg eaten without salt The next allegation is Gen. 17.10 This is my Covenant which yee shall keepe betweene me and you and thy seed after thee Everie man child among you shall be circumcised Mr. Paget to this answereth It can not hence be shewed that more questions were propounded to the Parents which brought their children to be circumcised then are now in the administration of Baptisme c. Or that such had circumcision denied unto their children which shewed a willingnes to embrace the Covenant by such brief answers and gestures wee speake off Answ Here are words but in truth not a word concerning the matter for which hee bringeth them This Scripture Gen. 17.10 was alledged to shew that such are to be counted Christians children and so consequently to have right unto Baptisme whose Parents at least one of them in externall profession are within the Covenant Thus writeth Mr. Davenport Now if a man read the others reply hee must needs confesse unlesse hee will confesse himself to be a Simplician and ignorant in Logicke and Religion that it is as indisgested a thing as ever was broched by a man of learning much better therefore it had bene if hee had left this loose kind of reasoning and either disprooved some part of the others proofe according to the rules of reason or yeelded to the conclusion which followeth by force of argument But to make a short answer to his speach although it looke not unto the thing for which hee devised it 1. How doth he know that there was a Leiturgie of Circumcision in the Church of God under the Law and that it was propounded to those Parents which brought their children to be circumcised This I lay up on him as another invention of his owne for it is most certaine never was there such a thing practised by the Fathers in old time neither haue the Iewes in these dayes any humane forme among them Besides if their writings * Syntag. In. c. 2. p. 80. Drus praet 〈◊〉 7. Purchas Pil. l. 2. c. 14. sect 4. p. 204.205 be searched which treat of the manner of circumcision there will be found no such thing in them whereof hee speaketh Among many other good properties which hee himselfe saith hee hath one is that * Pag. 104. hee is no inventer of new conceits and opinions But surely if the rest there be not truer then this hee will be found an untrue speaker in them all Further I would know of him what hee intendeth by embracing the Covenant for I perceive hee seeketh advantage by double construction of words Is it his meaning that those which were no Iewes nor members of the Iewish Church yer brought notwithstanding their infants unto the Preists and when they had answered to some questions either by saying Yea or nodding with the head they had them immediately circumcised although themselves remained still out of the communion and fellowship of the Church If this be his meaning as it must needs be unlesse his meaning were to write just nothing then I doe affirme that in this hee hath spoken irreligiously injuriously and untruely 1. Irreligiously to have the seale of the righteousnes of faith to be made an unholy thing 2. Injuriously to accuse Gods chosen of finne causelesly 3. Vntruely and thus I proove it None might eat of the Passeover unlesse they were members of the Iewish Church Exod. 12.6.45 But all circumcised among them might eat of the Passeover vers 44. Therefore all the circumcised among them were members of the Church If the Reader desire to know further about this thing let him him peruse Mr. Ainsworths Annotations on Genes 17. and Exod. 12. and there hee shall see what the Iewes write of it viz. that none are to communicate with the Church in the ordinances of circumcision and the Passeover but such as are members thereof The next Scripture is Rom. 4.11 And hee received the signe of circumcision a seale of the righteousnes of saith which hee had yet being uncircumcised Mr. Pagets answer to this allegation may be cast into 3 heads or branches 1. Abraham is called the father of all that beleeve whither members of a particular Church or not 2. There might be some beleevers in Abrahams time not members of his familie nor under the gouvernment of any particular Church 3. If a sonne or bond servant of Ephron the Hittite were then brought to the knowledge of the true God c. why might not the infant of such a one have bene circumcised though not living in a visible Church Answ I will not say that Mr. Paget hath read Antonies precept in Tully * De Orat. l. 2. who wisheth men if they be troubred about a hard question to say nothing to it But this I can say of him by experience hee fol owes that rule closely For as before so here againe hee useth many words but answereth not at all to the point in hand This Scripture as may be seene in the place ‡ Iust Comp. pag. 5. was brought to proove that as Abraham received circumcision when hee was a member of a visible Church so consequently baptisme which comes in the roome thereof belongeth peculiarly to such as are joyned to some particular Congregation Mr. Paget perceiving as it is probable the strenght of the argument cunningly withdrawes himself from it and that the Reader might not see it hee sets downe 2 or 3 conceited fancies of his owne unto which briefly thus I answer 1. Imagen I should deny that there were in Abrahams time any beleevers out of his family or contrarywise say I grant there were what would hee hence inferre for my part I know not nor yet hee himfelf I am perswaded 2. Concerning his why not I aske of him for his why so Is it the manner of Disputers to propound a case and then aske of the standers by Sirs why may it not be thus If there be any Divine patterne for such a practise it now concerneth you Mr. Paget to shew it If you cannot as I am sure you cannot then I wish you in such cases hereafter to shurt your lips * Pr. 17.28 and so you shall be esteemed a man of the better understand But to deliver you if it may be from your vaine conjectures and doubts As for circumcision it was not commaunded to the Gentles at all
have justly deserved farther Censure ANSWER 1. IT is a note as God noteth it by Ezechiel of an unfaithfull sheapheard that hee seekes not that which was lost How directly this note appeareth in Mr. Paget may be seene here and els where in writing For howbeit hee hath set mee and others forth before all men for heynous offendours most sinfull walkers Ch. 33.4 deservers of Church Censures c. notwithstanding to this day he hath not performed a brothers duety Mat. 18.15 16. Lev. 19.17 Prov. 25.9 much lesse a Pastours towards any of us in using meeke and Christian meanes to bring us if wee goe astray in to the right way againe If an earthly father should tell openly his childrens faults abroad but never at home mention them unto them hee would be and justly too greatly condemned for it Then how much more is Mr. Paget to be discommended that did not endeavour to make his people to see their faults untill they did see them out in print under his hand Hee can teach us that it is our duety to advertise him of his defects and neglects in private but it seemes hee takes not the care which he should Pag. 94. to practise his owne doctrine The which thing makes his case the worse for to him that knoweth to doe good Iam. 4. ult and doth it not to him it is sinne That is his offence is the greater and answerable to it without true repentance will his punishment be Luk. 12.47 Our dealing with him hath bene otherwise for wee brought nothing forth publikely against him before wee had used other meanes for his recovery Yea till wee found the wound incurable Mich. 1.9 he in his courses incorrigible so farre I say from giving us any hope of amendement as that hee deprived us quite of all power to meddle any further with him and answered us not much unlike the old Iewes Ier. 2.25 I have loved strangers and after them I will goe I know in pag. 15. hee beareth the Reader in hand as if wee had not shewed his sinnes unto him out of the Word of God and hence abuseth a saying in Iob. But many can testify the contrary to wit that his sinnes have bene shewed to him out of the word of God I say many times by many persons not Brethren onely but our Elders too privately and openly as is to be seene in the Records of our Church where they doe protest both against his doeings and the Classis also But saith hee I am not convinced of my errour So may any offendor say although his lies and vanities should be never so soundly refuted It is reported of one Anaxagoras that hee affirmed that the snow was black and when it was alledged that the sence the eye the sight judged it to be white hee answered it did not as much as seeme white to him Cic. in Lucull Aca. Quaest l. 4. because hee knew that the water of which it was concealed is black Men might say what they list against him but they could not satisfy him nor solve his reason If Mr. Paget were not overmuch conceited touching his opinions in question I am perswaded hee would leave them For sufficient hath bene said for his conviction therein 2. For my gooing to the Assembly of the Remonstrants It is true I have bene there and Mr. Paget afterwards had a little speach with me about it But no word of God to my remembrance did hee then alledge to convince * Act. 18. ult 2 Tim. 3.16.17 my conscience of the unlawfullnes of the thing Moreover hee should have done well to have told his Readers what my answer was at the same time unto him I spake as hee knowes to this effect If I goe astroy it is through your occasion in casting stumbling blocks * Mat. 18.6 dayly in my way so many and great that my spirits is even broken within me For your caraiges are so evill against us in seeking to hinder us from the benefit of good Ministers that I cannot live under yours with any comfort What reliefe my poore distressed soule then had of him I shall never forget For I may say and that truely as Iob did in the like case hee was a miserable comforter a Physician of no value Iob 16.2.5 The mooving of his lips was so farre from asswaging my grief that on the contrary hee heaped up words against me to encrease mine affliction In the reading of this accusation it comes to my mind what I have sometimes seene in the Country where I lived viz. many poore sheepe even forced to runne into deserts hedges briars through the impatience rage of some feirce froward Shepheards either in setting their dogs on them or running in themselves furiously amongst them the which folly and indiscretion had they not shewed none of their flocke would have gone astray The application of this I referre to Mr. Paget Let him consider of it take advise and speake his mind and if hee please compare with it Ierem. 23.1 3. If to resort to the Assembly of the Remonstrants be so heynous an offence before the Lord that it deserveth as hee saith the Censure of the Church how then comes it to passe that hee deales in this thing so badly with others Hee is a member of the Classis and hath therein according to his owne doctrine equall authority with the rest over the Dutch Church here in Amsterdam Now it is well knowne to him and such as sitt with him that many of the Dutch members doe resort frequently unto the Assembly of the Remonstrants Notwithstanding doth Mr. Paget tell them of their great wickednesse exhort his fellow Presbyters to admonish them for it and to cut them of from the Church except they repent The truth is as farre as I can understand hee is quite dumbe this way and stirres not at all in it and therefore it is certaine that that which hee here brings in against me is either done out of some disaffection unto my person or els hee shewes great impartiality to say the best of it But it seemes hee is not carefull to have his ministery like a glasse in which all may behold their sports but rather to the spiders web which holdeth the lesser Flyes but lets the greater passe through at their pleasure And here I may well returne backe unto him Arrow against separ pag. 323. liu 31 his owne words having taxed Mr. Ainsworth for partialitie Let all men of conscience iudge what sincerity there is in your course Thus hee can take occasion to blame another and yet fall fouler himself into the same fault 4. Whereas hee intimateth that hee in the name of the Eldership hath admonished me for the open violation of the Sabbath I desire the Reader to take knowledge that no such thing was ever done by him neither did I know that either hee or the Elders had any such thing against me
owne blood This hee cannot indure this hee cannot read with patience against this hee proclames open warre gibes often at it and reproacheth every one that sincerely embraceth the same But let him take heed least for calling good evill Chap. 5.20 God bring not the woe in Esai upon his head As for the unreverend terme it self which hee giveth unto Christs instuution we weigh it not neither are we any more discouraged from the holding of it fast then were our fathers of elder time discouraged from embracing the Gospell Act. 28.22 24.5 1 Cor. 1.23 Act. 24.14 because the enimies of it called it schisme faction folishnes heresie c. It is reported of one Theodotius having denyed Christ that hee might not be blamed for it taught that Christ was meere man and not God So Mr. Paget in the case of Church gouvernment that his owne and other mens faults may not be seene in not using or submitting to it doth labour what hee can to discredit the same But whether the power which wee stand for be schismaticall or his Apostaticall I hope by this Treatise the Reader shall be able to judge 4. Hee saith I have bene injurious unto him in spreading abâ—oad so many untruths against him as are before noted Answ 1. I had a just cause to doe what I did both for the truth sake and his owne too For first if every good subject be bound to his power to maintaine the temporall rights and Lawes of Princes whether it be by discovering of treason suppressing rebellion or the like Then much more ought all Christs subjects to doe what they can Rev. 2.25 to preserve the good estate of his spirituall Kingdome Againe who will not draw his brother out of a deepe pit or well if hee see any way or meanes for it The truth is Mr. Paget through Satan and his owne lust is fallen into many great sinnes and therefore out of Christian compassion to his soule I published the booke being confident if there be any farther course to be taken by me for his recovery this is it because now questionles hee shall see if hee will be contended to open his eyes his errours soundly and effectually refuted 2. Whereas hee saith our writings are untruths I say hee speakes untruely in it for there is nothing set downe there but will be prooved as in part I shall doe in this treatise and more I understand is shortly to come forth Besides I doubt not but Mr. Davenport will doe the like so farre as the thing concerneth him 3. Howsoever hee hath made a large discours in his owne justification notwithstanding hee hath not cleared himself at all in the maine things laid to his charge viz. promiscuous Baptisme and the authority of the Classis Yet hee knowes untill hee proove these two points to be lawfull our whole writing standeth firmely and effectually against him As for the many swâ—llâ—ng 〈◊〉 used throughout his booke in his owne praise In my understanding it had beene better Prov. 27.2 if some other had done it and not his owne mouth In the Olympicks games men did not put garlands and Crownes on their owne heads but waited till others did it In truth self prayse is very unseemely Hence in derision they say Hee dwelt by bad neighbours Besides such persons usually are least credited * Ioh. 8.13 and good reason too for the greatest boasters are commonly the worst dooers * 1 Sam. 15 13. Revel 3.15 c. As the emptiest vessels make the loudest sound driest things the greatest flame so those which proclame as with sound of trumpet their owne goodnes have most times least of it That I may be the lesse offensive in my words I will here speake to Mr. Paget in his owne Pag. 61. Certainly it was a want of modesty and prudency in him to make such disputes in his owne commendation For hee hath vainely praysed himself and wrounged us 7. Pag. 10. Yea in stead of clearing himself hee is more polluted His owne tongue defileth him And therefore his glorying is not good The fift thing wherein I am injurious in his conceit is to our whole Congregation to blot the same with report of infamous contention faction c. Answ 1. As they that stirre up warre and strife Iudg. 11.13 1 King 18.18 impute the cause unto others which lyeth on themselves so dealeth Mr. Paget with me For who hath bene the cause and authour to blot our Congregation with report of infamous contention faction c. but hee chiefly For had hee contained himself within his owne bounds not plaid the Diotrephes suffered the Church to have exercised her owne due power not brought in mens devises amongst us wee had not seene and felt the shame and misery which now wee doe And that all may see whatsoever infamy our Church lyeth under that it is come principally by his meanes I desire these things may be taken into consideration 1 The abuses from time to time done to our Elders that which they jointly doe if it fall not in his line hee termeth it an unrighteous law a bone of contention a rocke of offence In his Letter given into the Consistory 11. Mar. 1632. injurious to the Magristrate destroyers of the liberty of the Church ringleaders to faction c. If they in opinion differ from him then hee makes them parties and so disableth them from judging in the case yea professeth hee will not tollerate the thing I doe let passe to speake of his taxing them for insufficiency of his procureing the Classes to censure them Pag. 18.63 how hee rejects their advise and counceill For of all these things wee shall have a fitter place hereafter This onely by the way I say how sleightly soever hee thinkes of Ruling Elders notwithstanding they have a great place in the Church of Christ such power and authority as taking the consent of the Church with them they may call the Pastour to give them an account of his doing Yea and to depose him from his ministery If there be just cause although Classes and Synods take his part Let no man thinke that this is a new doctrine for our chief Divines teach it If any one * Protestat Kings supr pag. 15. Offer Confer pag. 2. of the Ecclesiasticall Officers themselves shall sinne hee is as subiect to the Censures of the rest as any other member in the Congregation If they shall all sinne scandalously either in the execution of their office Repl. to D. Downames defen l. 2. part 2 pag. 109. Discours of Troub at Franck pag. 162. art 65 or in any other ordinarie manner then the Congregation that chose them freely hath as free power to depose them and to place others in their roome And no marvaill if Protestants write thus For the Papists ingeniously say as much The * Ferus in Act. Apost cap. 11. Church may not onely exact an account of her
gathereth some observations from the place Now for me to answer his nothing with some thing it were worth nothing Therefore I will passe this Scripture over notwithstanding I thinke fit taking an example from him to set downe some notes also 1. If the Ministerie ought to be fullfilled then must not Ministers marre their doctrine with passion girding spightfull speaches willfull oppositiō crosse teaching c. of purpose to discountenance the truth and to hinder the growth of knowledge and sincerity 2. They ought not offensively to publish unto the world the personall and secret fealings of Brethren but in the spirit of meekenes privately seeke to restore them 3. In their writings they should not set downe untruths and slaunders continuall begging of the question many words for that which was never doubted of and not a word to proove the points in question but contrarywise by the Scriptures soundly convince the gaine-sayer Act. 18. ult 4. They ought not to bring mens devises into the Congregation and there to set them up as part of Gods worship 5. If the people must say to Archippus take heed c. then must not Ministers when they are admonished for their unsound doctrines and bad gouvernment reject the authority of the Church and shrowd them selves under the arme of flesh of purpose to continue in their evill courses Lastly if they must fulfill their Ministery then should they not in their old age be worse in life and doctrine then they were in former time As Mr. Paget thought it needfull that his Collections should be observed so let every godly Minister consider whither it be not meet that each of these things should be duely regarded of them The third Scripture is taken from 1. Pet. 5.2 Feed the Elock of God which is among you taking the oversight thereof c. To this hee first answereth that sheepheards for the defence and benefit of their Flockes c. have reason to combine themselves together for the performance of some workes of their calling towards the endangered sheep of other flockes as appeareth Esa 34.1 Luk. 2.8 Gen. 29.2.8 Answ Hee wrappeth his owne feet in the snare hee layeth for another for the similitude as hee here applies it makes against himself altogether For 1. Sheepheards are not simply tyed to combine themselves together 2. Neither doe they it but on some speciall occasion 3. For the combination it self it is not to exercise authority over each others Flock but joyntly to help one another in common cases To make now the comparison hold in proportion Ministers of sundry Congregations are not absolutely bound to combine themselves together neither may they so doe but upon some occasion And touching the combination it self it must not be to exercise any power over each others Congregation but either for mutuall assistance to resist the common adversary or to discusse and consider of matters for their better going foreward in piety and godlynes And this which I say is the judgement of our best Divines Wee doe sayth D. Whitaker confidently affirme that at the first Churches were gouverned onely by their owne Ministers Conir 4. Quaest 1. cap. 1. p. 14. and were not subjected to other Churches or Ministers not Colosse to Ephesus not Philippi to Thessalonica not these to Rome nor Rome to any other but they had all equall power in themselves that is independant jurisdiction and gouvernment Neither did they seeke authority otherwhere either from Praelate or Pope Two things our of these words may be gathered 1. That the primitive Churches were all independent bodies not subjected to any other superiour Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction then unto that which was within themselves 2. It was not the manner of members to cary matters away from their owne Church unto men of other Churches under a pretence that they had authority above their owne Eldership and Congregation Notwithstanding contrary to the first of these is Mr. Pagets profession to the later his practise but how able hee is either to refute Mr. Whitaker herein or to justify himself wee shall heare hereafter for hitherto hee hath bene silent in it To his second answer That the word translated feeding doth also signifie to rule and gouverne I grant it Againe where hee sayth If this kind of feeding be restrained unto one Congregation then is all the authoritie and gouvernment of Churches by Classes and Synods overthrowne thereby This I grant too And further that it is unlawfull for Assemblies of Ministers to exercise any act of power in any Congregation besides their owne What doth now follow in his opinion Then Ministers sayth hee may not give their voyces for the decision of controversies in any Congregation besides their owne contrarie to the use of this word of feeding applied to such in Israell as exercised some acts of their Ministerie for the help and benefit of divers Congregations as Ezek. 34.2 c. Answ 1. Doth not Mr. Paget see any difference betweene a Ministers giving of his voyce for the decision of a controversy and exercising an act of power in another Congregation besides his owne indeed it seemes that hee doth not and therefore most confusedly hath here joyned them together But other men can see otherwise and teach otherwise too they can put a plaine distinction betweene a Ministers giving advise and councill in the matters of other Churches and exercising authority and power over them Touching this point learnedly writeth Basil a Epist 48. 52. Cirill b Epist 18. ad Celestin Socrates c Lib. 1. c. 2.14.21.30 Athanius d Apolog. 2. Theodoret e Lib. 2. c. 8 Sozomen f L. 3. c. 10. Mr. Parker g Polit. Eccl. l. 3. p. 335. also affirmeth that when a Congregation seeketh unto others for assistance it is not for office to determine but for their gifts and estimation not to receive precepts but onely for their consent councill and approbation And for confirmation of this hee names B. Iewel D. Rainolds and others which have writen the same Here let it be observed that when wee used the like speach in our Protestation viz. that wee doe reverentlie esteeme of the Classis for councill and advise in all difficult matters c. Mr. Paget very angerly tels us that this is but a lame halting and half reverence no more then that Mr. Iacob and his company did give to Classes and Synods Yea the Brownists themselves doe seeme to give as much Not to speake any thing of his gibing wee say this is as much as God requireth of us and therefore wee may not give more unto them I know Mr. Paget will take this ill for hee loves not to be so streight lased as to haue his authority confined within in one Congregation but let him remember though Adam found more roome when hee was cast out of Paradise then within yet his condition I suppose was never the more comfortable for that 2. For the place in Ezek.
be feared I say againe those that offend this way may justly feare Gods punishment because hee doth not manifest more displeasure against any sinne then the prophanation of his ordinances nor threatneth to inflict soorer punishments upon any then offenders herein a Levit. 10.2.4 Chron. 13.10 And this is the judgment of sundry of our best Divines viz. Iunius b Anal. expl Levit. c. 10 p. 27. Brentius c Comment in Am. c. 4. v. 4.6 Piscator d Observ 3. in Levit. 10. Paraeus e In Am. 2.12 Cartwright f Catech. pag. 102. and others SECTION VI. HOwsoever I could be well contended in these our differences to deale with Mr. Paget by the Scriptures alone as the booke of all truth knowing as Augustine * De Doct. Christ l. 2. c. 9. sayth that all things concerning faith and manners are contained in them Notwithstanding in regard hee * Pag. 15. vainely boasteth to be caried away with the streame of the Learned who concurre in judgement with him c. I haue thought good to make inquirie about the opinions of men in this matter betwixt us as being loth hee should oppresse the truth and make all men afraid of it by making them beleeve that is desolate and forsaken of all freinds Beginning therefore with our writers I judge it meet and convenient to alleadge in the foremost place the mature sentence of Maister Cartwright In his Reply to D. Whitgift * Pag. 172. l. 1. hee writes thus I doe see that Maister Doctor doth make of the Holy Sacrament of Baptisme which is an entry into the house of God and whereby the familie of God must onely ‡ Note that enter a common passage whereby hee will have cleane and uncleane Holy and prophane as well those that are without the Covenant as those that are within to passe by and so maketh the Church no Houshold but an Inne to receive whosoever commeth * Iust so doth Mr. Paget I will answer therefore all most in as many words as the questions be asked If one of the Parents be neither drunkard nor adulterer the child is holie by vertue of the Covenant for one of the Parents sake If they be both and yet not obstinate in their sinne whereby the Church hath not proceeded to excommunication themselves yet being of the Church * Note their child cannot nor ought not to be refused Againe a few lines after speaking of Papists and other ungodly men Hee affirmeth absolutely that their children ought not to be baptised In the next place wee will consider the Authour of a certaine Booke Pag. 111.112 entituled The Covenant betweene God and man hee there maintaineth this point which wee here professe Baptisme sayth hee is to be administred to them onely that are in the Covenant and that the Reader might understand whom hee meanes to be in the Covenant Hee addeth immediatelie They are such as professe the faith joyne themselves together in a fellowship craue to have their names enrouled and registred in the Church and so partake of the manifould graces of God which are distributed therein To these wee will adde Maister Viret * Ground Reli. p. 230. a rare light of the Gospell and partner with Mr. Farell in planting the Church at Geneva before Calvin came there None sayth hee are to be baptised but the children of the faithfull and beleevers all except these are to be instructed in the doctrine before they be admitted thereunto Piscator likewise is as plaine as can be They onely sayth hee are to be baptised which belong to the Church On Mat. ch 28. Obse in v. 19. For as in old time they circumcised the children of the Iewes because they belonged to the Church and covenant so now c. Mr. Fenner a Doct. of the Sacra sayth the very same so Paraeus b In Mat. 3.5 Erastus c De excom p. 18.24 Melancton d Loc. Com. pag. 383. Keckerman e System Theol. l. 3. p. 453. speaking of the lawfullnes of the baptising of infants gives this as the reason of it viz. because they are members of the Church The like saying wee find in a Booke named a generall confession of Christian Churches Because God receiveth into his Church the children with the fathers Wee say by the authoritie of Christ infants begotten of faithfull Parents ought to be baptized Also Beza * In 1. Cor. 7.14 sayth Such as doe permit all children to be baptized doe a thing unheard off in the primitive Church Neither may Tertullians testimony be omitted speaking as Iunius interprets him of such children as were strangers from the Covenant of God Let them come when they are growne to yeares Let them come when they have learned and are taught wherefore they come Let them then be made Christians when they can know Christ Moreover this is the unanimous confession of all the Reformed Churches to wit that Baptisme appertaineth to such infants as are in the Church and borne of beleevers And for this reason they say they administer unto them the seale of the Covenant viz. because with their Parents they are received into the Church Thus write the Churches of Saxonie a Harm Conf. Art 18. Bohemia b Chapt. 12. France c Art 35. Scotland d Harm Conf. p. 24. Helvetia e Art 20.21 and Belgcik f Art 34. Object 1. But this thing hath been in these Countries a long time practised and therefore it is not meet that so ancient a custome should be laid downe Answ 1. When the truth is knowne sayth Augustine ‡ L. 2. Ep. ad Gaudent let custome give place unto it For * Ambr. l. 4. Virg. wee must not allwayes imitate whatsoever our Elders have allowed but try by the Scriptures whither the things are good which they allowed And thus doe these Churches * A generall Confess of Christ. Church in their writings professe to the world that they judge it of small force in controversie of Religion to be urged with the bare sentenoes of Fathers or with the Decrees of Councills much lesse with received custome or with continuance of time For wee admit they say no other judge in matter of faith then God himself pronounced in his Word 2. By this custome they give the Anabaptists great advantage and nihilate the best argument which our Divines use against them for the lawfullnes of baptising of infants And that this is so let it be observed that the Reason which they in this point doe stick most too is this namely that children of Christians by the same warrant * Calv. in Mat. 18. v. 10. Gerhard Harm Euang c. 12. pag. 352. Cent. 1. l. 2. c. 4. p. 355. D. Willet on Rom. 6. p. 303. Cartwr Christ Rel. c. 37. p. 223. are now to be baptized that the infants under the Law were circumcised Now I haue prooved before
that no infant under the Law was to be circumcised except hee were a member of that visible Church seeing therefore they leave this patterne it must follow as I sayd that they make the argument voyd and of no effect and so refute their owne writings and destroy againe the things which they haue builded 3. Seeing by comparing their practise with their profession they are not so true to their owne grounds as they ought this custome becomes the greater blot and dishonour unto them That they are not true to their grounds I have manifested before To which this further may be added In a Synod held at Dort Anno 1578. it was there agreed that all Parents before they brought their children to be baptized should got unto the Ministers or Elders that so they might give notice unto the Church whose child it was that should be baptized Now for what end should the Parents be enjoyned to acquaint the Church Officers with this thing unlesse their meaning was that none but members children should be baptised If they had intended that things should be as they are now baptise all brought to the Congregation then truely with reverence be it spoken they made a very unnecessary article for what need is there of telling the Church whose children they are if all brought there must be baptised Lastly let it be considered whither the unsound doctrine of the Papists get not countenance by this custome who teach * Aegid Topiar in Epist. Euang. p. 293. that Gods commaundements must sometime give place unto mens traditions Object 2. Compassion towards infants mooveth many Ministers to baptise them Answ Wee may not doe any thing against the expresse will of God under a pretence to shew mercy unto others ‡ 1. King 20.42 that pitty which the godly are to manifest must be rightly-bowelled * 1. Pet. 3.8 that is commaunded of God both for the matter and manner of it It is well knowne that Origen ‡ August de Civit. Dei lib. 21. c. 17 through to much compassion of the wicked thought that the Divels themselves should be saved at lenght unlesse men therefore are carefull to set bounds unto their affections their affections will lead them bejond their bounds To conclude this point my hearts desire is that every godly Minister would be pleased duely to regard these things It was no dishonour unto Iob that hee tooke the councill of his hand-maid Neither did it darken Apollos reputation that hee learned some thing of Aquila and Priscilla A wise Generall of a feild dispiseth not the advise of the meanest souldier in matters of greatest waight Wee are told of a Papist * Picus Mirand an Papa sit supra Concil that wee ought to beleeve a simple plaine Husband man c. if hee speake the truth For my part I should not presume to commend what I haue said to their judicious consideration unlesse I had by diligent inquiry first seene the same to be a truth and so setled my conscience in the certainty of it SECTION VII TO let his scoffes alone which hee merrily puts forth in pag. 71. 72. I will here give him a direct answer unto the thing which hee there demaundeth that is What that due power is by which wee would have the Church to be gouverned and unto which wee would willingly be subjected It is that Polity-Ecclesiasticall which the Lord Iesus the King of his Church hath ordained in the New Testament and given unto all the Churches of his Saints whereby they are to chuse and call into office such as are fit and exercise all other spirituall ordinances in among themselves immediately from him This gouvernment wee hold to be the perfection of all as comprehending in it whatsoever is excellent in all other bodies politicall As man being the perfection of all creatures comprehends in his nature what is excellent in them all Having being with the elements life with the plants sence with beasts and with the Angells reason Those which haue written about the Politike gouvernment of common-wealths as Aristotle a L. 5. Pol. c. 1. l. 3. c. 11. Herbertus b L. 1. Hist Pol. Tolosanus c Lib. 4. c. 5. Bodin d L. 2. c. 7. l. 6. c. 74. Iunius e Par. 1. Qu. Pol. Qu. 4. Danaeus f L. 4. Pol. c. 5. Richterus g Dict. axim 63. Althusius h C. 32. Pol. Contarinus i Hist. Venet. others doe mention three kindes as lawfull and good Monarchicall Aristocraticall and Democraticall Now all these three formes as the Learned ‡ D. Whita cont 4. Q. 1 pag. 14. Refut D. Down Serm. l. 2. par 2. pag. 106. Pet. Mart. loc com Clas 4. c. 5. pag. 783. Keckerm System S.S. Theol. lib. 3. p. 400. judiciously observe haue their places in the Church of Christ In respect of him the head it is a Monarchy in respect of the Eldership an Aristocracy in respect of the body a popular state Further I doe affirme that this Ecclesiasticall gouvernment is unchangeable ordinary best and perpetuall common to all true Churches and unto which all estates must be subject as brethren so every officer likewise And good reason too for it is a matter of faith a point of the Gospell yea of the substance of it and necessary to salvation so farre I meane as other of Gods ordinances But not to speake any more of the necessity and excellency of this Church Gouvernment there being in print many learned Treatises of it I will here lay downe my reasons to proove the former Assertion viz. that every particular visible Church hath from Christ absolute intyre power to exercise in and of herself everie ordinance of God and so is an independent body not standing under any other Ecclesiasticall authoritie out of it self And this I will doe if God permit ARGVMENT I. If those Churches planted by the Apostolique institution had power fullie in themselves immediately from Christ to practise all his ordinances Then have all Churches the like power now But the first is true Therefore the second The proposition is cleare and certaine by these Scriptures 1. Cor. 5.2.3 Act. 14.23 2. Cor. 16.2 Col. 2.5 2. Thess 3.14 The assumption is acknowledged by sundry of our best Divines That first gouvernment of the Church sayth Mr. Brightman * On Revel chap. 2 p. 65 edit 3. is common to all times and places and that it is not to be permitted to be at the arbitrement of men to follow what way they list but that alwayes in reforming a Church wee must have recourse unto the first beginnings to the which as our onely rule wee must call back whatsoever strayeth from it and that they are not to be turned tuned according to the crookednes and jarring sound of the succeeding Churches Mr. Parker * Polit. Eccl. l. 1. c. 23. pag. 59. l. 3. p. 95. 300. hath in
effect the very same speach so Mr. Cartwright * Repl. to Whitg l. 1. p. 25. 26. and B. Bilson * Perpet Gouvernm pag. 3. Eccl. Polit. l. 4. p. 148. likewise Hooker gives a reason for it namely because the first state of things was best c. and therefore it must needs follow that customes Lawes and Ordinances devâ—sed since are not so good for the Church of Christ but the best way is to cut off later inventions and to reduce things unto the ancient state wherein at the first they were And this agrees with Tertullians * Cont. Mar. l. 4. c. 5. saying of old That is truest which is first that is first which is from the beginning that is from the beginning which is from the Apostles ARGVMENT II. If Christ in Mat. 18.17 where hee saith Tell the Church doth meane a particular Congregation Then hath every particular Congregation an intyre power in and of it self to exercise Ecclesiasticall gouvernment and all other Gods spirituall ordinances But the first is true Therefore the second The proposition is cleare and certain maintained by the most judicious Divines viz. Vrsinus a Explica p. 2. p. 534. Zwinglius b Explan Act. 8. D. Andrewes c Tort. tort pag. 42. Chemnitius d In Mat. 18.17 Aretius e Idem Pelargius f Idem Hunnius g Idem Vatablus h Idem Munster i Idem Beza k De Eccl. l. 1. ca. 13. Erasmus l Paraph. in Mat. 18. D. Whitaker m De Rom. Pont. cont 4. Q 1. p 86 Cartwrith n Confut. Rhem. in Mat. 18. D. Fulke o Idem Parker p Polit. Eccl. l. 3. p. 79. and others The Assumption is prooved thus That Church which Christ intendeth in Mat. 18. hath absolute power in and of it selfe to performe all Gods ordinances but Christ intendeth in Mat. 18. a particular Congregation Therefore everie particular Congregation hath absolute power in and of it self to performe all Gods Ordinances Moreover let it be observed that this Church in Mat. 18. is given as a plat-forme or example unto all Churches to walke by As Moyses was to make the Arke in every respect proportionable unto the patterne which hee saw in the Mount even so c. ARGVMENT III. Whatsoever was commaunded to the 7 Churches to be practised by each of them apart in and for themselves that no Church of God must now omit But Ecclesiasticall gouvernment was commaunded to the 7 Churches to be practised by each of them apart in and for themselves Therefore no Churches of God must omit the practise of Ecclesiasticall gouvernment apart in and for themselves The proposition cannot be doubted off For as Chytraeus a In Rev. c. 1. p. 29. 54. Artopeus b In cap. 1. p. 11. Bullinger c In Rev. 2. Hom. 8. Brightman d In Rev. 1.2 3. ch and others write All Churches from these ought to learne what gouvernment to exercise what doctrines to teach what persons to excommunicate who to receive and to comfort and the like The assumption is prooved clearely in chap. 2. ver 2.14.20 c. Moreover Mr. Perkins * Expos upon ch 2. v. 20. ch 3. v. 7. speaking of those Churches sayth God gave to every of them power and authoritie to preach the Word administer the Sacraments represse evill men decerne false Prophets to exclude all obstinate sinners from all spirituall priviledges among them ARGVMENT IV. If the Church of Corinth had power and authoritie within her self to exercise Ecclesiasticall gouvernment Yea and did it I meane the Ministerie and the rest of the Church there Then ought not particular Congregations now to stand under any other Ecclesiasticall authoritie out of themselves But the first is true Therefore the second The first part is unquestionably certain and of this judgement was D. Willet a Cont. 9. Cent. 1. D. Fulke b Answ to the Rhem. 1. Cor. 5.4 Zanehy c In praecep 4. c. 19. p. 688 Bucer d De Regn. Chr. l. 1. c. 9 Piscator e In 1. Cor. 5. Obser 1. D. Andrewes f Tort. tor pag. 42. Pet. Martyr g 1. Cor. 5. Polanus h Synt. Theo. l. 7. c. 19. D. Feild i Of the Church l. 1. c. 5. Paraeus k In 1. Co 5 de Eccom Zwinglius l Epichir de Can. Missae ad Valent comp and others Againe whereas the Papists and Hierarchy doe say much after Mr. Pagets new doctrine that the Church of Corinth had not sole and alone authoritie in it self to exercise Ecclesiasticall gouvernment our writers viz. Mr. Cartwright * Refutat Rhem. 1. Cor. 5.4 Mr. Parker * Pol. Eccl. l. 3. c. 4. p. 1. 7. 18. c. others doe soundly refute them and proove the contrary by many reasons The latter part is prooved before in the Minors of the 1. and 3 arguments ARGVMENT V. Such actions the Church may lawfullie doe wherein no Law of God is broken But there is no Law of God broken when particular Congregations doe in and among themselves exercise all Gods ordinances Therefore they may lawfully doe it The proofe of the proposition doth arise from the definition of sinne which as Augustine a Cont. Fau. l. 22. c. 27. Ambrose b Lib de Paridis c. 8 truely define it is either a deed or word or thought against some Divine Law Lombard c Lib. 2. 35. Aquinas d Th. 12. Qu. 71. and other Schoolemen as they are called agree hereto The assumption is manifested in our first Argument the first part of it ARGVMENT VI. If the Apostle gave commaundement unto the Eldership of Ephesus for the whole administration of all ordinances in that Church Then may the Eldership of every particular Congregation administer among themselves all Gods ordinances But the first is true Therefore the second The Major is prooved two wayes 1. By Scripture Act. 28. vers 17.28 2. By the testimony of the learned Whitaker * Rom. Pont. Cont. 4. Qu. 1. c. 1. p. 12 Cont. 2. Qu. 5. c. 6. pag. 281. 284. The Minor is undeniable For as Mr. Brightman ‡ On the Apoc. ch 12 pag. 505. sayth there was one forme of gouvernment in all Churches namely that that is delivered us in the acts of the Apostles and the rest of their writings There are extant at this present divers Treatises * See Park Pol. Eccl. l. 2 c. 40. p. 324.325 c. Defen of godly Min. agai Bridg. slaund p. 133.134 c. to proove that Christ hath instituted but one onely forme of Church gouvernment common to all Churches ordinary perpetuall and best Thus wee haue prooved the affirmative part of our assertion to wit that every particular Congregation hath power in and for it self immediatelie from Christ to exercise Ecclesiasticall Gouvernment and all other Religious
controversy leaneth upon it I will speake further of it in the next Section There are yet other reasons to proove our Assertion the which I will here lay downe more briefly 1. If every Eldership haue alike and equall power as Hierome a Ep. ad Ena Cyprian b L. de unitâ— Eccles Bucer c De Bâ—gâ— Chr. l. 1. c. 15. and others affirme then may not the Officers of one Congregation seeke by authority to suppresse the acts and decrees concluded in another 2. It is against sence that a Minister should undertake the care of more Churches then one onely who reads in Scriptute of a steward over many families a sheepheard over divers Flockes c. Nature hath ordained sayth Aristotle * Lib. 1. c. 2 one unto one 3. Is it alike thing that the Classicall power should be of Gods approoving and yet hee never mention it in his word This argument the Hierarchy ‡ Iew. Defe Apol. 2. par c. 3. divis 5. use against Popish Offices and the Reformists * D. Laten Syons Plea p. 9. against theirs Now let the discreet Reader judge if it proove not the point in hands as well Here I may not omit Zwinglius * Zwingl Art 8. expl speach speaking of Synods Wee willingly beleeve sayth hee that you are a representative Church for a true Church you are not But I pray you shew us whence you fetch this name Who hath given you this name who hath given you power to make Canons impose things on mens shouldiers grieve their consciences c. And a little after hee sayth Of this representative Church I find nothing in the Holy Scriptures out of mens devises any may faigne what they list wee rest in the Holy Scripture against which thou mayst not attempt any thing if thou be a Christian. 4. Whosoever shall deny our afore-said assertion must of necessity hold two distinct formes of Church gouvernment to be lawfull one where particular Congregations doe in and of themselves exercise all Gods ordinances the other where they stand under another Ecclesiasticall authority out of themselves Now to hold this is directly all one as to hold two wayes to heaven distinct and opposite in themselves which is very scandalous in Religion and that which cannot stand with truth 5. Let it be observed that for this reason among others the Learned ‡ D. Whita cont 4. qu. 4 Chamier l. 6. conject 2. say the Pope is Antichrist viz. because hee will haue men to appeale from their owne Churches unto him and to stand unto his sentence and decree And doe not the Classicall Assemblyes and Synods take upon them an authority much like to it in subjecting many Congregations to them requiring appeales to be made to them and that the Iudicatory as Mr. Pagets * In his Letter given into the Consistory phrase is belongeth to them as if their power were above all Churches 6. VVhat more meet and reasonable then that every mans case be there heard and determined where the fault was committed so sayth Cyprian * Cypr. lib. 1 Epist 3. It is not fit that they over whom the Holy Ghost hath made us overseers should goe too and fro Hee speaketh of carying matters away from their owne Church unto others * See pag. 35.36 7. Note the effect if it should be otherwise which is that every particular Congregation must hence necessarily loose her owne proper right in gouvernment and so of a Mistres become a servant in stead of being superiour wilfully vassall and enslave her self which thing is contrary to Gods will revealed in his word * Gal. 5.1 1. Co. 7.23 2. Ti. 1.13 Heb. 4.14 Revel 2.25 8. Seeing the Apostles wheresoever they constituted any Church with doctrine immediately established in it Ecclesiasticall gouvernment ‡ Park Pol. Eccl l. 1 20 for without this as D. Ames * De consc l. 4. c. 24. pag. 214. sayth there could have beene no conbling of the parts and members together It must needs follow that the Primitive Churches were independent bodies and stood not under any other Ecclesiasticall authority out of themselves Now how Mr. Paget will be able to proove a change of this gouvernment I doe not yet see especially considering that the Learned as I shewed before * Pag. 72. doe hold that there is but one certaine necessary and perpetuall forme and manner of ordering Churches And this also is the judgement of Calvin a Calv. ad Sad. P. Martyr b In Rom. 3.21 D. Bilson c Perp. Gov. 338. c. yea the Confession of the Churches of France d Harm conf art 29 of the Low Countries e Harm art 30. and Scotland f Treat of the Discipl of that Church in a word to this the Papists g Sander visib Mon. l. 1. c. 6. ascent 9. By the titles given to all particular Congregations it appeares evidently that Ecclesiasticall authority is or at least ought to be in every one of them distinctly wholie intyrely viz. a Kingdome h Mat. 3.2 Family i Eph. 2.19 a Body k 1. Cor. 12.20 a Queene l Psal 45. c. For what more senceles then to say a Kingdome or family standing under another Politicall or Oeconomicall gouvernment out of themselves a body having all parts and members and yet may neither receive in nor put out without anothers leave and consent many such absurdities * See Park Pol. Eccl. 3. p. 23. 321.322 Iun. Eccl. l. 1. c. 4. D. Whitak cont 4. Qu. 1. p. 38. followeth Mr. Pagets lately-devised Tenets 10. The acts of the Apostolique Churches proove directly our assertion For it is without all contradiction that they elected their owne Ministers excommunicated offenders sent messengers and performed all other Church matters among themselves Lastly let it be observed that Mr. Paget in this accordeth with the Papists * Bellar. de Eccl. l. 5. c. 5 and Hierarchy * D. Downa D. Bridges others for they say as hee doth that particular Churches are not independent bodies but stand under another Ecclesiasticall authority out of themselves The which thing our writers deny and proove the contrary By this time I suppose the indifferent Reader perceiveth that the Scriptures are every way for us and against Mr. Paget in this controversy betwixt us Now hee should doe well seeing wee dispute about a matter of faith appertaining to life and salvation to rest in them as the onely touching for triall of all truth Notwithstanding considering hee makes so much a doe about the multitude of learned and Godly Ministers being of the same judgement and practise with him Pag. 73. according as Festus knowing Paul to haue appealed unto Caesar did reasonably resolve saying Vnto Caesar shalt thou goe so I am well contented to heare what reverend and judicious Authors doe say herein And if Mr. Paget will stand unto their
Hereticks and wicked persons loosing the penetent the election and ordination of Ministers and the deposition of them againe for just cause Mr. Brightman * On Rev. ch 12. pag. 505. 506. comes Lower downe even unto Constantines time and is of opinion that the primitive puritie of Church Gouvernment was not yet defloured with the dregges of mans invention Neither had Satan brought in Prelaticall pride into the sheep fould of the Lord but the Pastours looked every one to the health of his owne Flocke Hence it appeares that for the space of 200 or 300 yeares after Chrlst * See Mr. Iacob necess Reform pag. 57. c. every visible Church had power to exercise Ecclesiasticall Gouvernment and all other Gods spirituall ordinances the meanes of salvation in and for it self immediately from Christ And this is a thing so certainly true as I thinke Mr. Paget himself will not haue the face to deny it What authoritie then to use anothers * B. Bilson agai Semin p. 221. speach had others after the Apostles death to change the Apostolike Gouvernment But seeing they haue done it what must wee doe Thus leave their inventions and returne backe to the Churches of the Apostolique institution and from them take our patterne and platforme to walke by and thus God teacheth a Eze. 20.18 Exod. 23.2 Mat. 15.24 c. us to doe and learned men also viz. Arnobius b Lib. 2. con Gent. Ignatius c Epist. ad Philadil Iulianus d De Bapt. Heret B. Iewel e Defe Apol. 6. pa. c. 16. div 2. pag. 762. D. Rainolds f Confer 195.459 and others But to goe foreward with our witnesses From these let us ascend to the very first worthies who haue brought us a great part of the light of the Gospel in this later age Zwinglius ‡ Hee was no Lutheran and Luther The first sayth thus * Ad Valen. Comp. Excommunication is not in the Bishops gathered together in a Synod but the right and power thereof is in the Congregation And therefore according to Christs commaundement in Mat. 18. Offenders ought to be brought to the Church whereof they are members ‡ Art 31. Explat Epichirisis de Canon Miss and being obstinate by the Church the Pastour pronouncing the sentence are to be cut off Againe concerning calling to the Ministery hee sayth ‡ Ecclesiastes The right of election is in the whole Church Mr. Luther another excellent witnes of Christ affirmes * Tom. 2. pag. 374. that the Church hath the right and power to judge of any doctrine also of calling the Ministers of the Gospell or if they cease to be faithfull to depose them But is not this contrary to Mr. Pagets new opinion yea altogether For though a Congregation should haue just cause to put downe some Officers notwithstanding by his grounds if they appeale unto Ministers of other Churches and they judge them fit to continue in their places then must they be left alone how vile soever they are so that to speake the truth the power which hee alloweth unto particular Congregations is just nothing Chemnitius another famous man and of rare learning among the followers of Luther is herein with us likewise for hee testifyeth that election * Exam. par pag. 226. 227. 228. Harm in Mat. 18.17 excommunication examination of sentences ‡ Exa Con. Trid. part 1. p. 3. c. belong unto the whole Church Againe observe what hee attributeth in another place to the Congregation what to the guides thereof To the first power * Exam. c. 6. to the later the administration of it Melancton * Loc. com tit de reg Christ hath the like distinction I could here mention many others of them which consent with us fully as Sarcerius a In Mat. 18. Brentius b Exeges in Ioh. 12.23 D. Rungius c In 1. Cor. 5.3.4 Hunnius d In Mat. 16. Osiander e Harm in Mat. 18.17 Salneccer f In Act. 6. Pelargus g In Act. 6. 14. D. Mylius h In 1. Cor 5 Hegendorphin i In Act. 14. c. none of these hold as Mr. Paget that particular visible Churches are noun-adjectives cannot stand without Classes and Synods but on the other side they grant them I mean to the Eldership and Brethren right and power to practise in and among themselves all Gods ordinances For those now whom for distinction sake wee name Calvinists these men I take it are the multitude of Godly and learned Ministers which doe as hee sayth agree in judgement and practise with him Now before I come to lay downe their particular allegations touching our point in controversy This I desire may be observed that it cannot be manifested as I am perswaded that there is among them all one Authour which hath in his Commentaries on the Scriptures taught the doctrine maintained by Mr. Paget here against us It is true some of them grant to the Eldership greatest authority others to the body of the Congregation Notwithstanding none haue bene so erronious as to say that the whole Church I meane Officers and Brethren wants authority to performe in and for it self all Church-services Now for the Authours Peter Martyr a Class ch 5. sect 9. in his common places making the Church a Monarchy in respect of Christ an Aristocracy in respect of the Elders addeth also that because there are matters of great weight and importance referred unto the people as excommunication absolution choosing of Ministers and the like it hath also a consideration of a popular gouvernment Of the same judgement was Iunius b Eccl. l. 3. c. 1. The whole Church sayth hee ought to chuse that is the body consisting of the Eldership and people by equall and common voyces This is the right manner of choosing Ministers With them joynes Musculus c Com. Pl. elect Mini. Viret d Groung Relg l. 3. ch 1. Bullinger e Decat 5.4 Danaeus f In Tim. 5.22 Gualter g Hom. in Act. 13.2 13.22 Sybrandus h Respons ad Hug. p. 159 D. Mornaeus i Hist pa. 542. c. Morell k Tom. 4. fol. 534. Tilenus l Respons ad Com. La Vat. Qu. 8. Epist 14 c. all these I say doe directly affirme the same thing viz. that all particular visible Churches haue full power to ordaine and chuse among themselves fit Ministers Neither can it be gathered to my knowledge anywhere in their writing that unto a full and complete calling of Church Officers any more Ecclesiasticall authority and power is required then that which Christ hath set in every Congregation distinctly and apart To the same purpose they write about excommunication and the absolution or the reconciliation of the excommunicate those are actions they say common to the whole Church and not of any private person or persons Bastingius
* Catechism Quaest 85. speaking of the difference betweene the two kees that of preaching and the other of discipline placeth it in this that the former which is the preaching of the Gospell is committed to the Ministers the other because it appertaineth to the Discipline of excommunication is permitted to the whole Church To him wee will adde Ursinus * Catech. p. 799.800 print at Oxford An. 1587. who teacheth thus Christ in these words Mat. 18.17 If hee refuse to heare the Church c. expresly commaundeth all whosoever being after this sort admonished by the Church will not repent to be by the common consent of the Church excommunicated untill they repent And whosoever are excommunicated they againe professing and shewing in their actions amendment are altogether in like sort received into the Church as they were exiled from it Namely by the judgement of the Elders by the consent of the Church and the authoritie of Christ and the Scripture And that denuntiation whereby one is excommunicated is not in the power of the Minister of the Church but in the power of the Church and is done in the name of the Church because this commaundement was given by Christ unto the Church For hee saith expreslie Tell the Church And of this judgement is Piscator a In 1. Cor. 5. Obs 1. Calvin b Inst 4.1.15 Paraeus c In 1. Cor. 5.5 Keckerman d System Theol. l. 3. Hermingius e In 1. Cor. 5 Tossanus f Comm. in 1. Cor. 5. Polanus g Synt. Theo. l. 7. c. 18. Hyperius h Comm. in 1. Cor. 5. Praedirius i In 1. Cor. 5. Munster k In Mat. 18.17 Danaeus l In Mat. 18. Oecolampadius m In Mat. 18. Beza n Annot. in 2. Thess 3.14 and others And now Mr. Paget what thinke you of these men were they not learned and Godly Ministers Reverend and judicious Divines Are they not authenticke witnesses If you confesse it then marke what followes viz. your position that particular Congregations must stand under other Ecclesiasticall authoritie out of themselves is hence condemned by a jurie of more then 24 men of your owne chusing for an errour and untruth The reason is because these affirme I say all of them that every particular Eldership with the Churches consent may lawfully proceed among themselves to the excommunicating of offenders whensoever there is necessary and just cause Neither doe they say a word that it is a Divine institution that the Ministers of one Congregation must first aske the leave and consent of other Ministers before they can lawfully administer this ordinance of God And therefore I make some question whither you haue not wronged this multitude of learned and Godly Ministers in reporting things of them to the world which they hold not And I haue the more reason thus to thinke considering what Mr. Bucer a In Mat. 16.19 and P. Martyr b In 1. Cor. 16.3.15 write two great lightes that shined sometime in England to wit that Ecclesiasticall power and government is in the whole Church but the authority onely of administration thereof is the Presbyterie and Bishops So as in old time at Rome the power was in the people direction in the Senate But of this sort of testimonies enought is spoken wee come therefore now to the next Touching the English Conformists the formablest of them are for us in this point B. Whitgift a In his defenc ag T.C. p. 180 182. confesseth that in the Apostles time the state of the Church was popular And two pages after I call it popular saith hee because the Church had interest almost in every thing VVith him D. Bilson b Perpet Gouvernm c. 15 p. 361 agrees and writeth thus In the primitive Church the people did propose name elect and decree as well as the Clergie and though the Presbyterers had more skill to judge Yet the people had as much right to chuse their Pastour and if they most of them did agree they did cary it away from the other Againe * chap. 7. pag. 90. Marke well sayth hee the ordaining of the first Deacons they were chosen by the people Mr. Paget in pag. 22. doth acknowledge that Christ hath appointed but one order for the choose both of Pastour and Deacon As hee speakes there the truth so by it hee quite overthrowes his owne cause for if Pastours must be chosen the same way that Deacons are and they if the Apostles precept be kept chosen by the free consent of the Congregation wherein they are to administer then how comes it to passe that Classes and Synods should haue more authority then the people and may if they will disanull whatsoever the others doe herein I know what the Papists and Hierarchy say to justify their taking away from particular Congregations their due power and setting up a superiour one in the roome thereof The first gives this for a reason * Sculting Hierarch Anacr l. 11 pag. 134. The unrulines of the people deserved afterwards to have their liberty taken away The others say thus Why doe ye call us back to the primitive Church As if wee are to be tyed to the first beginnings of things as if ye would bind little infants in their blankets with swalding bondes And as if it were not lawfull for us to change those primitive rudiments which were not then so proffitable in their first originall as they seeme to be pernicious at this day Againe * Apolog. for Church Gouvernm pag. 81. There was some thing ordained by the Apostles that is no lesse hurtfull for our Churches then it was behoofull for those to whom it was appointed Which of these two arguments hee will make use off I yet know not One of them I suppose hee will and must For to say that this superiour power of Classes and Synods is Iure Divino I thinke hee will not any more doe it There being in the Scriptures no proofe yea I may boldly say nor shew of any proofe for it But because I know not what his answer shall be I will therefore say no more for this time onely I thinke it good to put him in mind of what Gerson * De Vit. spirit writeth the authoritie of the primitive Church is above all Churches and therefore it is not in the power of Pope Councill or Church to change the Doctrines and Traditions delivered by the Apostles And so I proceed To these wee will adde 4 more conformable Doctors of England viz. Whitaker Bell Willer and Taylor The first affirmeth * De Conc. qu. 5. p. 178 that Ecclesiasticall authoritie principallie primarilie and essencially belongeth to the whole Church unto Bishops onely accidentally and secondarily So againe ‡ De Rom. Pont. cont 4 qu. 4. c. 3. pag. 562. The chiefe judgement in all criminall cases is the Churches Bell sayth * Regiment of the Church ch