with_o john_n caluine_n as_o the_o observation_n of_o the_o sabbath_n have_v do_v i_o doubt_v not_o but_o that_o although_o he_o will_v not_o have_v allow_v of_o tradition_n yet_o he_o will_v have_v find_v you_o as_o sufficient_a proof_n for_o any_o of_o they_o out_o of_o the_o word_n as_o he_o have_v do_v for_o the_o sabbath_n for_o so_o great_a a_o mote_n in_o your_o eye_n be_v the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n that_o if_o your_o appetite_n serve_v to_o take_v like_v of_o any_o point_n of_o doctrine_n ground_v thereon_o you_o will_v make_v any_o homely_a shift_n rather_o than_o you_o will_v acknowledge_v the_o true_a popery_n true_a tradition_n a_o fountain_n in_o popery_n fountain_n from_o whence_o it_o spring_v and_o no_o marvel_n for_o acknowledge_v the_o authority_n of_o those_o tradition_n which_o stand_v which_o if_o you_o may_v do_v what_o you_o lift_v we_o can_v stand_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o antiquity_n be_v first_o deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o have_v ever_o since_o be_v observe_v and_o deliver_v over_o as_o it_o be_v from_o hand_n to_o hand_n by_o succession_n of_o bishop_n and_o your_o heresy_n will_v fall_v to_o the_o ground_n the_o next_o point_n of_o doctrine_n which_o you_o do_v hold_v without_o warrant_n of_o scripture_n be_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o christian_n to_o eat_v blood_n which_o be_v forbid_v by_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o first_o general_a council_n where_o the_o apostle_n be_v present_a epistle_n present_a i_o will_v find_v you_o scripture_n for_o this_o in_o saint_n paul_n epistle_n what_o scripture_n have_v you_o to_o do_v contrary_a to_o a_o canon_n of_o so_o great_a a_o council_n pro._n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o in_o the_o infancy_n of_o the_o church_n the_o apostle_n have_v to_o do_v with_o the_o jew_n a_o people_n wonderful_o addict_v to_o the_o strict_a observation_n of_o their_o law_n do_v not_o think_v good_a to_o take_v from_o they_o all_o the_o ceremony_n thereof_o at_o once_o but_o rather_o by_o little_a and_o little_a to_o seek_v to_o win_v they_o by_o tolerate_v many_o thing_n for_o a_o time_n which_o in_o the_o gospel_n be_v abolish_v and_o to_o that_o intent_n paul_n do_v circumcise_v timothy_n act_v 16._o pap._n what_o warrant_v of_o scripture_n have_v you_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o commandment_n be_v give_v to_o be_v observe_v but_o for_o a_o time_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o weakness_n of_o the_o jew_n pro._n we_o have_v the_o word_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n be_v abolish_v by_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n whereof_o abstayn_v from_o blood_n be_v one_o and_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o 15._o of_o the_o act_n that_o the_o assembly_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o first_o general_a council_n at_o jerusalem_n be_v upon_o this_o occasion_n they_o of_o the_o circumcision_n which_o believe_v be_v great_o scandalize_v because_o the_o gentile_n who_o be_v join_v with_o they_o in_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n have_v utter_o reject_v their_o law_n whereupon_o much_o controversy_n do_v arise_v between_o they_o the_o jew_n contend_v that_o the_o believe_a gentile_n ought_v to_o be_v circumcise_v and_o to_o observe_v the_o law_n of_o moses_n and_o the_o gentile_n to_o the_o contrary_n for_o appease_v whereof_o the_o say_a council_n assemble_v and_o decree_v that_o the_o christian_n shall_v abstain_v from_o blood_n by_o eat_v whereof_o as_o it_o seem_v the_o weak_a jew_n be_v great_o offend_v intend_v thereby_o somewhat_o to_o satisfy_v the_o jew_n and_o yet_o not_o to_o lay_v too_o heavy_a a_o yoke_n upon_o the_o gentile_n thus_o you_o see_v how_o by_o the_o word_n the_o eat_n of_o blood_n be_v prohibit_v unto_o the_o christian_n of_o those_o time_n and_o how_o by_o the_o word_n it_o be_v permit_v unto_o us._n pa._n by_o what_o word_n can_v you_o prove_v that_o the_o repetion_n the_o this_o fellow_n love_v to_o bear_v himself_o speak_v else_o will_v he_o not_o make_v such_o a_o idle_a repetion_n eat_n of_o blood_n which_o be_v both_o prohibit_v unto_o the_o jew_n before_o the_o gospel_n and_o to_o christian_n in_o the_o gospel_n be_v now_o lawful_a for_o we_o to_o do_v that_o the_o law_n prescribe_v to_o the_o jew_n concern_v marriage_n within_o degree_n of_o affinity_n be_v still_o to_o be_v retain_v and_o that_o the_o like_a law_n which_o command_v the_o brother_n to_o raise_v up_o seed_n unto_o his_o brother_n decease_v without_o issue_n be_v to_o be_v abolish_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n to_o take_v away_o a_o man_n life_n for_o 12._o d._n which_o be_v not_o lawful_a by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n to_o do_v but_o in_o such_o case_n only_o as_o in_o the_o same_o law_n be_v specify_v with_o many_o other_o such_o like_a instance_n too_o long_o to_o repeat_v when_o you_o have_v tire_v yourself_o in_o search_v and_o wrest_v of_o scripture_n you_o shall_v find_v deceive_v find_v else_o be_v you_o deceive_v no_o other_o warrant_n for_o they_o than_o the_o continual_a practice_n and_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n pro._n it_o appear_v in_o the_o 5._o chapter_n of_o the_o 1._o to_o the_o corinth_n that_o paul_n do_v disallow_v of_o marriage_n within_o degree_n of_o affinity_n which_o be_v warrant_v sufficient_a for_o the_o retain_v of_o the_o law_n prescribe_v to_o the_o jew_n on_o that_o behalf_n pap._n you_o have_v no_o such_o warrant_n out_o of_o that_o place_n for_o the_o text_n say_v only_o there_o be_v a_o law_n a_o the_o fornication_n have_v not_o be_v so_o heinous_a if_o the_o son_n in_o law_n may_v marry_v his_o mother_n in_o law_n fornication_n among_o you_o not_o once_o name_v among_o the_o heathen_a that_o a_o man_n shall_v have_v his_o father_n wife_n it_o will_v be_v hard_a for_o you_o to_o prove_v out_o of_o this_o place_n that_o the_o fornication_n here_o specify_v be_v commit_v by_o a_o marriage_n between_o the_o son_n and_o the_o mother_n in_o law_n awhit_o law_n all_o this_o be_v but_o vain_a talk_n that_o help_v he_o not_o awhit_o for_o the_o law_n of_o the_o corinthian_n will_v permit_v no_o such_o marriage_n to_o be_v celebrate_v as_o it_o may_v be_v gather_v out_o of_o the_o text_n for_o if_o such_o a_o fornication_n be_v not_o name_v among_o the_o heathen_a much_o less_o be_v it_o permit_v by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o corinth_n and_o therefore_o this_o fornication_n be_v commit_v by_o have_v his_o father_n wife_n as_o a_o concubine_n or_o a_o whore_n and_o not_o as_o a_o wife_n as_o you_o imagine_v the_o answer_n your_o papist_n here_o talk_v in_o his_o sleep_n of_o two_o mortal_a wound_n which_o we_o by_o our_o description_n of_o the_o church_n have_v give_v to_o our_o own_o cause_n and_o therefore_o your_o description_n must_v be_v have_v in_o memory_n which_o as_o it_o bind_v the_o true_a church_n to_o the_o voice_n of_o christ_n sound_v in_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n so_o it_o give_v we_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o false_a church_n hear_v the_o voice_n of_o stranger_n and_o will_v not_o be_v rule_v by_o the_o write_a word_n of_o the_o almighty_a yet_o notwithstanding_o the_o true_a church_n may_v mistake_v the_o voice_n of_o christ_n and_o so_o err_v whereby_o the_o first_o wound_n be_v full_o heal_v and_o if_o it_o shall_v be_v grant_v that_o the_o church_n in_o general_n can_v err_v yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o every_o one_o in_o particular_a that_o build_v hay_n or_o stubble_n upon_o the_o foundation_n be_v therefore_o no_o member_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o the_o second_o wound_n which_o speak_v of_o the_o exclusion_n of_o the_o father_n &_o doctor_n be_v neither_o mortal_a nor_o sensible_a now_o touch_v the_o first_o wound_n which_o cencern_v the_o protestant_n and_o puritan_n it_o be_v here_o bring_v to_o certain_a particular_a point_n which_o i_o will_v speak_v of_o in_o order_n the_o first_o be_v the_o observation_n of_o the_o sunday_n which_o you_o prove_v syllogistical_o out_o of_o the_o scripture_n after_o this_o manner_n 1._o the_o day_n whereon_o the_o apostle_n do_v ordain_v that_o christian_n shall_v weekly_o meet_v together_o to_o exercise_v themselves_o in_o hear_v the_o word_n preach_v receive_v the_o sacrament_n and_o give_v of_o alm_n that_o same_o day_n do_v the_o apostle_n ordain_v to_o be_v the_o sabbath_n of_o christian_n 2._o but_o the_o apostle_n do_v ordain_v that_o christian_n shall_v weekly_o assemble_v themselves_o upon_o the_o first_o day_n of_o the_o week_n for_o the_o purpose_n before_o mention_v ergo_fw-la the_o apostle_n do_v ordain_v the_o first_o day_n of_o the_o week_n to_o be_v the_o christian_n sabbath_n now_o where_o your_o papist_n say_v that_o if_o the_o mayor_n be_v true_a than_o the_o apostle_n appoint_v more_o day_n than_o one_o for_o such_o exercise_n shall_v appoint_v more_o sabbath_n in_o a_o week_n
content_a to_o loose_v the_o scripture_n so_o you_o may_v keep_v your_o tradition_n be_v sometime_o make_v of_o the_o apocalypse_n of_o s._n john_n and_o of_o other_o piece_n of_o scripture_n but_o since_o the_o one_o be_v decide_v by_o a_o general_a council_n and_o both_o be_v now_o receive_v and_o believe_v of_o the_o universal_a church_n there_o remain_v no_o more_o doubt_n in_o the_o one_o than_o in_o the_o other_o the_o tradition_n lead_v we_o to_o the_o truth_n of_o they_o both_o thus_o it_o appear_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o sun_n that_o the_o apostle_n leave_v many_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o their_o writing_n by_o tradition_n second_o that_o many_o tradition_n leave_v by_o the_o apostle_n be_v now_o abolish_v three_o that_o that_o doctrine_n which_o be_v practise_v &_o believe_v through_o the_o universal_a church_n have_v no_o ground_n out_o of_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o which_o have_v be_v universal_o practise_v from_o age_n to_o age_n and_o from_o bishop_n to_o bishop_n be_v a_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o to_o be_v follow_v and_o embrace_v and_o consequent_o that_o all_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_n which_o be_v not_o warrant_v by_o scripture_n be_v own_o be_v that_o be_v to_o say_v upon_o a_o fancy_n of_o your_o own_o ground_v upon_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o to_o they_o to_o how_o long_o till_o it_o please_v you_o to_o disannul_v they_o be_v follow_v and_o embrace_v the_o answer_n here_o your_o papist_n take_v pain_n to_o show_v we_o another_o point_n of_o his_o learning_n namely_o why_o some_o tradition_n be_v keep_v and_o some_o be_v out_o of_o date_n but_o very_o simple_o in_o my_o opinion_n for_o antiquity_n appoint_v both_o wednesday_n and_o friday_n to_o be_v fast_v let_v he_o yield_v i_o any_o colour_n of_o reason_n or_o circumstance_n of_o time_n or_o state_n why_o the_o church_n shall_v reject_v the_o one_o and_o observe_v the_o other_o they_o be_v both_o in_o force_n with_o like_a authority_n with_o like_a consent_n in_o omnibus_fw-la orbis_fw-la terrarum_fw-la regionibus_fw-la in_o all_o the_o country_n of_o the_o world_n â—5_n haeres_fw-la â—5_n as_o say_v epiphanius_n they_o be_v agreeable_a in_o all_o point_n to_o augustine_n rule_n which_o be_v so_o certain_a and_o direct_v say_v he_o that_o it_o can_v mislead_v we_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o wednesday_n fast_o must_v be_v pack_v and_o friday_n only_o must_v continue_v what_o church_n i_o beseech_v you_o do_v this_o and_o when_o and_o upon_o what_o grave_a consideration_n be_v it_o do_v it_o be_v not_o enough_o for_o he_o to_o talk_v his_o pleasure_n flying_o of_o the_o community_n of_o all_o thing_n no_o where_o practise_v but_o at_o jerusalem_n of_o the_o office_n of_o widow_n still_o in_o force_n where_o it_o may_v be_v have_v prohibition_n of_o blood_n rerepeal_v by_o saint_n paul_n and_o such_o like_a but_o he_o shall_v show_v we_o what_o eare-marke_a one_o tradition_n have_v more_o than_o another_o why_o it_o may_v or_o shall_v be_v cancel_v and_o touch_v not_o fast_v upon_o sunday_n in_o lent_n or_o any_o time_n else_o in_o the_o year_n it_o be_v general_o observe_v in_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o the_o same_o epiphanius_n witness_v militis_fw-la in_o compend_v doctr_n eccles_n haeres_fw-la 70._o epist_n add_v phil._n lib._n de_fw-fr coronae_fw-la militis_fw-la who_o tell_v we_o also_o in_o another_o place_n out_o of_o the_o apostle_n constitution_n that_o he_o be_v accurse_v of_o god_n that_o fa_v upon_o sunday_n qui_fw-la affligit_fw-la animam_fw-la svam_fw-la in_o dominica_n maledictus_fw-la est_fw-la deo_fw-la ignatius_n call_v they_o that_o fast_o upon_o sunday_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d christicides_n christ_n killer_n whereunto_o tertullian_n accord_v say_v 75._o epiph._n 75._o die_v dominico_n ieiunium_fw-la nefas_fw-la ducimus_fw-la we_o count_v it_o a_o heinous_a sin_n to_o fast_a on_o the_o lord_n day_n yet_o notwithstanding_o the_o romanist_n have_v find_v some_o grave_a consideration_n or_o other_o to_o disannul_v it_o and_o to_o agree_v rather_o in_o that_o point_n with_o aerius_n and_o eustathius_n too_o whereof_o the_o one_o be_v a_o heretic_n 33._o socrates_n hist_o eccles_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 33._o whatsoever_o the_o other_o be_v apud_fw-la aerianos_fw-la studium_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o die_v dominica_n ieiunent_fw-la eustathius_n dominicis_fw-la diebus_fw-la ieiunandum_fw-la docuit_fw-la the_o aerian_o be_v careful_a to_o fast_v on_o the_o lord_n day_n eustathius_n teach_v that_o man_n ought_v to_o fast_o on_o the_o lord_n day_n and_o therefore_o your_o papist_n i_o trow_v will_v hereafter_o find_v it_o best_o for_o he_o not_o to_o upbraid_v we_o any_o more_o with_o aerius_n yea_o but_o when_o tradition_n be_v allege_v against_o the_o old_a heretic_n never_o any_o of_o they_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o some_o because_o other_o some_o be_v not_o observe_v a_o great_a piece_n of_o matter_n we_o may_v not_o do_v it_o because_o heretic_n do_v it_o not_o but_o can_v he_o show_v we_o what_o heretic_n ever_o affirm_v that_o of_o one_o bunch_n or_o heap_n of_o tradition_n some_o may_v be_v take_v and_o some_o refuse_v and_o be_v all_o bird_n of_o a_o feather_n some_o may_v fly_v away_o quite_o and_o the_o rest_n may_v in_o no_o case_n fly_v after_o but_o flutter_v still_o in_o their_o nest_n i_o wis_v augustine_n rule_n will_v not_o help_v in_o this_o case_n for_o fast_v upon_o wednesday_n and_o not_o fast_v upon_o sunday_n be_v as_o general_o observe_v every_o where_o as_o any_o other_o tradition_n that_o can_v be_v name_v nay_o what_o tradition_n can_v be_v more_o strong_o fence_v than_o that_o of_o the_o age_n of_o christ_n in_o irenaeus_n 40_o iren._n lib._n 2._o cap._n 39_o &_o 40_o euangelium_fw-la &_o omnes_fw-la seniores_fw-la testantur_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o asia_n apud_fw-la johannem_fw-la discipulum_fw-la domini_fw-la convenerunt_fw-la idipsum_fw-la tradidisse_fw-la eye_n johannem_fw-la permansit_fw-la autem_fw-la cum_fw-la eye_n usque_fw-la ad_fw-la traiani_n tempora_fw-la quidam_fw-la autem_fw-la eorum_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la johannem_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o alios_fw-la apostolos_fw-la viderunt_fw-la &_o haec_fw-la eadem_fw-la ab_fw-la ipsis_fw-la audierunt_fw-la &_o testantur_fw-la de_fw-la huiusmodi_fw-la relatione_fw-la quibus_fw-la magis_fw-la oportet_fw-la credi_fw-la ne_o he_o talibus_fw-la a_o ptolomaeo_n qui_fw-la apostolos_fw-la nunquam_fw-la vidit_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o gospel_n and_o all_o the_o elder_n which_o be_v with_o john_n the_o disciple_n of_o the_o lord_n do_v testify_v that_o john_n himself_o do_v deliver_v it_o unto_o they_o and_o he_o tarry_v with_o they_o till_o the_o time_n of_o traiane_n now_o some_o of_o they_o see_v not_o only_a john_n but_o other_o disciple_n also_o and_o hear_v the_o same_o thing_n of_o they_o &_o testify_v of_o such_o a_o report_n who_o then_o ought_v we_o to_o believe_v whether_o such_o man_n as_o these_o or_o ptolomey_n who_o never_o see_v the_o apostle_n 6.57_o joh_n 6.57_o here_o be_v scripture_n out_o of_o s._n johns_n gospel_n and_o tradition_n from_o johns_n mouth_n and_o other_o of_o his_o fellow_n apostles_n for_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o same_o here_o be_v all_o the_o elder_n of_o asia_n that_o hear_v it_o with_o their_o own_o ear_n and_o live_v to_o the_o day_n of_o irenaeus_n that_o write_v it_o and_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o i_o think_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n will_v as_o soon_o believe_v ptolomey_n the_o heretic_n as_o this_o tradition_n the_o like_a may_v be_v say_v of_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n in_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n where_o the_o tradition_n from_o saint_n john_n and_o saint_n philip_n the_o apostle_n to_o polycarp_n and_o so_o forward_o be_v fresh_a in_o memory_n observe_v by_o many_o bishop_n and_o martyr_n 22._o euseb_n libr._n 5._o cap._n 22._o and_o confident_o and_o resolute_o avouch_v by_o polycrates_n then_o angel_n of_o ephesus_n and_o a_o great_a multitude_n of_o bishop_n gather_v together_o in_o council_n under_o their_o hand_n yet_o victor_n the_o pope_n make_v no_o account_n of_o it_o and_o within_o a_o while_n after_o victor_n death_n most_o man_n think_v it_o be_v condemn_v for_o heresy_n now_o i_o pray_v you_o tell_v we_o what_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n shall_v do_v in_o this_o case_n shall_v they_o receive_v and_o reverence_n this_o tradition_n still_o as_o left_v they_o by_o their_o pastor_n for_o their_o spiritual_a benefit_n what_o shall_v they_o receive_v and_o reverence_n heresy_n cross_v the_o decision_n of_o a_o general_a council_n so_o say_v your_o papist_n if_o i_o understand_v he_o yet_o i_o doubt_v whither_o bede_n or_o pope_n gregory_n or_o austin_n the_o monk_n will_v make_v good_a his_o say_n nay_o himself_o within_o three_o or_o four_o line_n after_o eat_v his_o word_n again_o for_o the_o contrary_a definition_n say_v he_o be_v receive_v and_o believe_v of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o
remain_v ever_o from_o the_o beginning_n now_o if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o he_o mean_v the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n 2.3_o rom._n 15.8_o heb._n 2.3_o it_o will_v trouble_v he_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o apostle_n be_v the_o first_o planter_n of_o that_o church_n in_o judaea_n see_v christ_n himself_o be_v minister_v of_o the_o circumcision_n and_o first_o begin_v to_o preach_v salvation_n before_o it_o be_v confirm_v by_o they_o that_o hear_v he_o moreover_o that_o the_o church_n be_v ever_o disperse_v through_o the_o whole_a world_n by_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v soon_o say_v than_o prove_v for_o though_o paul_n say_v that_o the_o fall_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v the_o riches_n of_o the_o world_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o mean_v the_o whole_a world_n simple_o without_o exception_n no_o more_o than_o saint_n luke_n do_v when_o he_o say_v that_o augustus_n caesar_n decree_v that_o all_o the_o world_n shall_v be_v tax_v etc._n luk._n 2.1_o math._n 28.19_o luk._n 24.47_o mark_n 16.15_o act._n 16.6_o etc._n etc._n 2._o cor._n 10.13_o etc._n etc._n and_o so_o must_v we_o understand_v all_o nation_n in_o matthew_n and_o luke_n and_o all_o the_o world_n and_o every_o creature_n in_o saint_n mark_v gospel_n for_o though_o the_o word_n be_v general_a and_o without_o limitation_n yet_o the_o apostle_n be_v keep_v in_o and_o guide_v more_o particular_o by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n last_o it_o will_v be_v agree_v upon_o what_o faith_n or_o belief_n your_o papist_n mean_v when_o he_o say_v do_v you_o believe_v the_o catholic_a church_n whether_o justify_v or_o historical_a for_o though_o he_o seem_v to_o fetch_v his_o question_n out_o of_o the_o creed_n wherein_o the_o article_n of_o justify_v faith_n be_v record_v and_o so_o to_o make_v the_o catholic_a church_n invisible_a for_o faith_n be_v the_o evidence_n of_o thing_n not_o see_v 11.1_o heb._n 11.1_o yet_o when_o he_o add_v plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n in_o judaea_n etc._n etc._n he_o make_v it_o visible_a and_o so_o not_o to_o be_v believe_v wherefore_o though_o this_o first_o question_n have_v neither_o head_n nor_o foot_n yet_o thus_o in_o charity_n i_o conceive_v of_o it_o that_o it_o demand_v whether_o we_o believe_v historical_o that_o there_o be_v orderly_a church_n or_o company_n profess_v catholic_a doctrine_n teach_v by_o the_o apostle_n first_o among_o the_o jew_n and_o then_o among_o the_o gentile_n which_o profession_n and_o professor_n shall_v continue_v in_o one_o place_n or_o other_o to_o the_o world_n end_n if_o this_o be_v the_o question_n then_o have_v you_o answer_v catholique_o first_o that_o you_o believe_v this_o and_o then_o second_o that_o the_o protestant_n only_o be_v the_o visible_a and_o know_v member_n of_o god_n church_n now_o where_o it_o be_v demand_v in_o the_o three_o and_o four_o place_n how_o we_o know_v this_o whether_o by_o outward_a mean_n or_o by_o inspiration_n it_o be_v answer_v that_o the_o canonical_a word_n of_o god_n do_v so_o testify_v and_o better_a witness_n than_o this_o we_o desire_v none_o and_o touch_v this_o word_n of_o god_n the_o papist_n grant_v all_o those_o book_n to_o be_v canonical_a which_o we_o call_v canonical_a though_o they_o add_v other_o book_n which_o we_o admit_v not_o for_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o faith_n but_o if_o we_o can_v make_v good_a our_o profession_n by_o those_o book_n which_o both_o side_n agree_v upon_o and_o by_o the_o same_o book_n overthrow_v all_o that_o the_o papist_n hold_v against_o we_o at_o this_o day_n then_o i_o for_o my_o part_n will_v soon_o yield_v to_o the_o pope_n and_o crave_v absolution_n upon_o my_o knee_n now_o forsooth_o the_o discern_a of_o these_o canonical_a scripture_n be_v call_v into_o question_n and_o they_o must_v be_v subject_v to_o the_o infirmity_n of_o man_n howbeit_o your_o answer_n though_o it_o be_v true_a yet_o be_v it_o insufficient_a for_o howsoever_o the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o antiquity_n be_v not_o to_o be_v neglect_v yet_o as_o our_o saviour_n say_v 5.36_o joh._n 5.36_o that_o he_o have_v great_a witness_n than_o the_o witness_n of_o john_n so_o have_v the_o holy_a scripture_n great_a witness_n than_o the_o witness_n of_o the_o father_n namely_o the_o purity_n and_o incontrolled_a antiquity_n of_o it_o the_o majesty_n of_o the_o stile_n the_o conformablenesse_n of_o the_o precept_n thereof_o to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o diverse_a other_o outward_a mean_n note_v by_o master_n caluine_n in_o his_o institution_n 8._o lib._n 1._o cap._n 8._o otherwise_o it_o be_v hard_a to_o tell_v how_o the_o man_n of_o beroea_n and_o other_o ancient_a christian_n discern_v the_o scripture_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o after_o 17.11.12_o act._n 17.11.12_o before_o any_o one_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n be_v bear_v or_o have_v write_v a_o syllable_n and_o herehence_a it_o be_v easy_o gather_v how_o vain_a the_o sixth_o question_n be_v for_o tradition_n be_v not_o confirm_v by_o such_o pregnant_a evidence_n as_o the_o scripture_n be_v but_o hang_v in_o the_o wind_n upon_o the_o conceit_n of_o man_n which_o may_v be_v deceive_v and_o therefore_o a_o christian_a man_n may_v well_o believe_v the_o one_o though_o he_o neglect_v the_o other_o 24.32_o rom._n 1.16_o heb._n 4.12_o 1._o cor._n 2.4_o 1._o cor._n 14.24.25_o luk._n 24.32_o the_o powerful_a work_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n describe_v by_o saint_n paul_n and_o the_o author_n to_o the_o hebrew_n and_o the_o disciple_n of_o christ_n in_o saint_n luke_n gospel_n be_v sufficient_a witness_n to_o the_o soul_n that_o tradition_n which_o have_v not_o the_o same_o image_n and_o superscription_n may_v be_v refuse_v as_o the_o commandment_n and_o doctrine_n of_o man_n the_o dialogue_n sectio_fw-la ii_o pa._n do_v you_o not_o perceive_v that_o by_o this_o description_n of_o the_o church_n you_o have_v give_v two_o mortal_a wound_n unto_o your_o own_o cause_n first_o you_o have_v exclude_v the_o protestant_n and_o puritan_n out_o of_o the_o church_n by_o you_o describe_v and_o second_o you_o thrust_v out_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o doctor_n that_o ever_o flourish_v in_o the_o church_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n pro._n the_o wound_v you_o speak_v of_o sure_o be_v not_o mortal_a for_o as_o yet_o i_o feel_v they_o not_o pap._n they_o will_v prove_v sensible_a when_o they_o come_v to_o the_o search_n first_o you_o have_v exclude_v the_o protestant_n and_o puritan_n who_o hold_v many_o point_n of_o doctrine_n not_o appear_v not_o these_o point_n be_v warrantable_a by_o scripture_n as_o it_o shall_v appear_v warrant_v by_o the_o scripture_n as_o the_o observation_n of_o the_o sunday_n in_o stead_n of_o saturday_n which_o be_v the_o sabbath_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o christian_n may_v eat_v blood_n notwithstanding_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o first_o general_a council_n to_o the_o contrary_a that_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n may_v punish_v theft_n with_o death_n which_o in_o a_o jewish_a magistrate_n be_v a_o breach_n of_o the_o commandment_n that_o it_o be_v a_o great_a offence_n in_o a_o christian_n to_o have_v concubine_n and_o many_o wife_n than_o it_o be_v in_o david_n who_o notwithstanding_o be_v a_o man_n according_a to_o god_n own_o heart_n that_o christian_n shall_v be_v tie_v unto_o the_o law_n prescribe_v unto_o the_o jew_n for_o marriage_n within_o degree_n of_o affinity_n and_o not_o unto_o the_o like_a law_n prescribe_v to_o the_o brother_n to_o raise_v up_o seed_n unto_o his_o brother_n die_v without_o issue_n for_o all_o which_o you_o have_v no_o warrant_n out_o of_o the_o scripture_n pro._n for_o all_o these_o point_n of_o doctrine_n we_o have_v sufficient_a warrant_n out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o god_n and_o first_o concern_v the_o sabbath_n of_o christian_n it_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o 20._o of_o the_o act_n that_o the_o christian_n do_v assemble_v themselves_o the_o first_o day_n of_o the_o week_n to_o hear_v paul_n preach_v and_o to_o break_v bread_n likewise_o in_o the_o 16._o chapter_n of_o saint_n paul_n 1._o epistle_n to_o the_o corinth_n it_o appear_v that_o saint_n paul_n do_v ordain_v in_o all_o the_o church_n of_o galatia_n that_o collection_n shall_v be_v make_v for_o the_o poor_a upon_o the_o first_o day_n of_o the_o week_n where_o he_o do_v also_o exhort_v the_o corinthian_n to_o do_v the_o like_a upon_o the_o same_o day_n whereby_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o sunday_n be_v appoint_v by_o the_o apostle_n to_o be_v the_o christian_n sabbath_n which_o be_v nothing_o else_o but_o a_o day_n of_o rest_n from_o labour_n and_o a_o day_n to_o be_v bestow_v in_o hear_v the_o word_n preach_v break_v of_o bread_n whereby_o be_v mean_v administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n give_v of_o alm_n and_o other_o work_n of_o devotion_n and_o piety_n for_o proof_n whereof_o out_o of_o the_o place_n above_o allege_v i_o do_v draw_v this_o
unto_o you_o than_o to_o seek_v so_o ridiculous_o tradition_n ridiculous_o it_o be_v better_a prove_v than_o you_o can_v prove_v your_o tradition_n to_o prove_v it_o by_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n the_o ancient_a catholic_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v do_v use_v the_o now_o the_o they_o may_v better_o do_v it_o then_o than_o you_o now_o authority_n of_o tradition_n for_o the_o convince_a of_o heresy_n yet_o be_v there_o never_o any_o of_o those_o heretic_n that_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o tradition_n because_o the_o catholic_n do_v not_o observe_v all_o the_o tradition_n which_o be_v leave_v by_o the_o apostle_n saint_n augustine_n in_o the_o place_n by_o i_o above_o allege_v where_o he_o say_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o believe_v many_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o apostle_n nor_o in_o the_o counsel_n of_o their_o successor_n as_o tradition_n deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n because_o they_o be_v observe_v through_o the_o universal_a church_n do_v give_v we_o a_o infallible_a rule_n for_o the_o true_a discern_v of_o those_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o follow_v &_o embrace_v of_o which_o sort_n be_v all_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_a which_o be_v not_o find_v in_o the_o write_a scripture_n and_o sure_o this_o be_v so_o certain_a and_o direct_v popery_n direct_v this_o rule_n crack_v the_o crown_n of_o popery_n a_o rule_n that_o it_o can_v deceive_v or_o mislead_v we_o for_o can_v we_o imagine_v that_o a_o 13.25_o a_o the_o apostle_n plant_v no_o weed_n but_o the_o envious_a man_n that_o love_a popery_n mat._n 13.25_o weed_n not_o plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n shall_v spring_v up_o overspread_v the_o universal_a church_n remain_v and_o continue_v from_o age_n to_o age_n be_v deliver_v from_o bishop_n to_o bishop_n that_o so_o many_o general_a counsel_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n shall_v be_v assemble_v for_o the_o extirpation_n of_o such_o bastard_n plant_n and_o that_o so_o many_o catholic_a doctor_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n shall_v write_v against_o heresy_n and_o yet_o that_o such_o a_o weed_n shall_v still_o 7.8_o still_o antichrist_n do_v work_v in_o paul_n time_n and_o must_v work_v still_o till_o he_o be_v abolish_v by_o the_o brightness_n of_o christ_n come_n 2._o thes_n 2_o 7.8_o remain_v without_o check_n or_o contradiction_n contrariwise_o these_o tradition_n deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v now_o general_o abolish_v through_o the_o universal_a church_n as_o the_o apostle_n who_o be_v direct_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n do_v first_o institute_v they_o for_o the_o benefit_n of_o that_o state_n of_o the_o church_n wherein_o they_o be_v ordain_v even_o so_o when_o time_n have_v alter_v the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n the_o apostle_n successor_n direct_v by_o the_o same_o spirit_n anabaptist_n spirit_n have_v they_o no_o other_o direction_n but_o the_o spirit_n take_v heed_n you_o be_v not_o a_o anabaptist_n have_v alter_v or_o abolish_v they_o for_o the_o like_a benefit_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n when_o the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o law_n be_v late_o abolish_v the_o jew_n and_o the_o gentile_n intermingle_v and_o people_n flock_v together_o from_o all_o part_n of_o the_o world_n to_o hear_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o to_o see_v the_o miracle_n which_o god_n do_v work_v by_o they_o the_o community_n of_o all_o thing_n the_o prohibition_n of_o eat_v of_o blood_n and_o the_o office_n of_o widow_n be_v profitable_a for_o that_o state_n of_o the_o church_n and_o oversight_n and_o a_o grosâ—e_a oversight_n universal_o practise_v but_o when_o that_o state_n of_o the_o church_n be_v alter_v all_o those_o ordinance_n be_v alter_v with_o no_o less_o benefit_n of_o the_o church_n than_o before_o they_o be_v observe_v pro._n if_o the_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n be_v the_o rule_n whereby_o to_o discern_v the_o doctrine_n which_o we_o ought_v to_o observe_v by_o the_o tradition_n then_o be_v all_o your_o doctrine_n which_o be_v not_o ground_v upon_o the_o scripture_n not_o warrant_v by_o your_o own_o rule_n because_o it_o be_v not_o practise_v universal_o for_o the_o contrary_n be_v practise_v by_o the_o great_a part_n of_o christendom_n pap._n this_o rule_n be_v sufficient_a before_o martin_n luther_n time_n for_o than_o be_v the_o catholic_a religion_n time_n religion_n it_o be_v never_o universal_a and_o it_o be_v heretical_a both_o before_o and_o after_o luther_n time_n universal_a and_o therefore_o i_o desire_v to_o learn_v of_o you_o how_o since_o that_o time_n the_o sufficiency_n thereof_o shall_v be_v impair_v for_o if_o then_o it_o be_v a_o fault_n in_o luther_n to_o dissent_v from_o the_o universal_a church_n how_o can_v the_o same_o doctrine_n which_o be_v naught_o in_o he_o be_v good_a in_o his_o disciple_n pro._n the_o greek_a church_n do_v celebrate_v the_o feast_n of_o easter_n upon_o the_o 14._o day_n of_o the_o month_n of_o march_n by_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o latin_a church_n do_v celebrate_v the_o same_o feast_n upon_o the_o sunday_n next_o follow_v after_o the_o fourteen_o day_n of_o the_o moon_n of_o march_n if_o the_o say_v 14._o day_n happen_v not_o upon_o the_o sunday_n by_o tradition_n also_o the_o like_a difference_n be_v between_o they_o for_o the_o use_n of_o leaven_a or_o unleavened_a bread_n in_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n either_o of_o they_o ground_v their_o doctrine_n upon_o the_o tradition_n now_o if_o you_o will_v confess_v that_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o contrary_a unto_o themselves_o you_o see_v how_o uncertain_a and_o dangerous_a it_o be_v to_o ground_v our_o faith_n upon_o unwritten_a tradition_n pa._n cavil_n pa._n a_o paltry_a cavil_n the_o lutheran_n and_o caluinist_n hold_v contrary_a opinion_n either_o of_o they_o ground_v his_o doctrine_n upon_o the_o word_n of_o god_n will_v you_o thereupon_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v a_o dangerous_a matter_n for_o we_o to_o ground_v our_o faith_n upon_o the_o word_n of_o god_n pro._n the_o comparison_n be_v not_o alike_o for_o in_o the_o one_o case_n the_o question_n be_v whether_o of_o they_o have_v the_o true_a tradition_n and_o in_o the_o other_o whether_o of_o they_o do_v right_o interpret_v the_o scripture_n which_o both_o party_n do_v agree_v to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n pa._n if_o i_o have_v say_v how_o dangerous_a it_o be_v for_o every_o man_n to_o ground_n his_o faith_n upon_o it_o upon_o why_o not_o his_o own_o as_o well_o as_o another_o man_n i_o must_v like_v it_o and_o so_o make_v it_o my_o own_o before_o i_o can_v believe_v it_o his_o own_o interpretation_n you_o have_v be_v prevent_v of_o this_o answer_n but_o you_o do_v mistake_v the_o matter_n in_o part_n for_o it_o appear_v by_o epiphanius_n haeres_fw-la 70._o that_o this_o difference_n between_o the_o latin_a and_o greek_a church_n concern_v the_o celebration_n of_o easter_n do_v grow_v upon_o tradition_n upon_o as_o though_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o pract_v se_fw-mi it_o in_o their_o own_o person_n in_o both_o church_n but_o only_o deliver_v it_o by_o tradition_n the_o interpretation_n of_o the_o tradition_n but_o the_o rule_n before_o mention_v prescribe_v by_o saint_n augustine_n for_o the_o discern_a of_o those_o tradition_n which_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o embrace_v and_o follow_v do_v free_a you_o from_o all_o this_o suppose_a danger_n for_o if_o the_o question_n be_v of_o such_o a_o point_n of_o doctrine_n which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o be_v practise_v of_o some_o particular_a church_n people_n or_o nation_n but_o not_o universal_o through_o the_o whole_a world_n such_o a_o point_n of_o doctrine_n we_o be_v not_o bind_v by_o the_o say_a rule_n to_o receive_v as_o a_o tradition_n leave_v by_o the_o apostle_n yet_o notwithstanding_o if_o such_o a_o point_n of_o doctrine_n be_v not_o contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n those_o church_n or_o country_n where_o such_o doctrine_n be_v practise_v aught_o to_o receive_v and_o reverence_v the_o same_o as_o a_o doctrine_n leave_v unto_o they_o by_o their_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o superintendent_o for_o their_o spiritual_a benefit_n concern_v which_o you_o shall_v find_v sufficient_a for_o your_o satisfaction_n in_o those_o advertisement_n set_v down_o by_o s._n bede_n which_o pope_n gregory_n send_v unto_o s._n austin_n the_o monk_n for_o answer_v of_o this_o very_a question_n concern_v the_o diversity_n of_o custom_n use_v in_o diverse_a nation_n in_o matter_n of_o church_n government_n but_o let_v it_o be_v it_o be_v you_o can_v choose_v but_o grant_v it_o grant_v that_o it_o be_v doubtful_a for_o a_o time_n whether_o the_o greek_a or_o the_o latin_a church_n do_v observe_v the_o right_a tradition_n the_o like_a doubt_n and_o question_n tradition_n question_n you_o can_v be_v
so_o by_o consequent_a of_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n notwithstanding_o all_o he_o say_v before_o of_o their_n spiritual_a pastor_n and_o superintendent_o shall_v i_o now_o tell_v you_o what_o i_o think_v very_o if_o this_o tradition_n of_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n and_o that_o other_o of_o the_o age_n of_o christ_n so_o credible_o report_v so_o confident_o avouch_v deliver_v over_o to_o so_o few_o hand_n and_o so_o short_a a_o succession_n be_v find_v hollow_a and_o false_a at_o the_o heart_n in_o the_o very_a next_o age_n that_o follow_v the_o apostle_n and_o at_o length_n as_o the_o receive_a opinion_n be_v condemn_v for_o heresy_n i_o know_v not_o how_o a_o man_n shall_v frame_v himself_o to_o believe_v such_o tradition_n to_o be_v sound_a and_o undefiled_a which_o have_v no_o such_o pregnant_a evidence_n and_o have_v run_v through_o the_o hand_n of_o so_o many_o pitchmonger_n as_o have_v live_v successive_o so_o many_o hundred_o year_n after_o the_o death_n of_o victor_n and_o irenaeus_n yea_o but_o say_v he_o this_o be_v not_o universal_o receive_v and_o observe_v but_o only_o of_o those_o church_n in_o asia_n and_o therefore_o we_o be_v not_o bind_v by_o s._n austin_n rule_n to_o receive_v it_o as_o a_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n well_o than_o succession_n from_o hand_n to_o hand_n and_o bishop_n to_o bishop_n in_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o make_v a_o tradition_n apostolical_a let_v he_o hold_v that_o without_o partiality_n as_o well_o in_o italy_n as_o in_o asia_n howbeit_o polycrates_n and_o those_o worthy_a bishop_n and_o martyr_n of_o asia_n may_v not_o be_v rule_v by_o s._n austin_n rule_n and_o if_o that_o epistle_n of_o polycrates_n subscribe_v synodical_o by_o so_o great_a a_o multitude_n of_o bishop_n may_v be_v credit_v this_o tradition_n can_v choose_v but_o be_v apostolical_a and_o so_o universal_a in_o nature_n though_o particular_a in_o practice_n but_o what_o shall_v we_o do_v on_o the_o other_o side_n with_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o west_n church_n which_o be_v further_o fetch_v than_o the_o other_o by_o so_o many_o winter_n and_o summer_n as_o s._n john_n live_v after_o peter_n and_o paul_n that_o be_v to_o say_v thirty_o winter_n at_o the_o least_o and_o so_o many_o summer_n wherein_o this_o western_a tradition_n may_v well_o be_v either_o sunne-burnt_a or_o weather_n beat_v shall_v we_o follow_v s._n austin_n rule_n here_o too_o and_o so_o believe_v neither_o the_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o to_o be_v apostolical_a ware_n that_o friend_n papist_n if_o you_o mean_v to_o go_v for_o a_o good_a catholic_a yet_o it_o be_v clear_a that_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o west_n church_n be_v not_o universal_o receive_a no_o more_o than_o the_o other_o of_o the_o east_n before_o the_o nicene_n council_n &_o therefore_o either_o s._n austin_n rule_n be_v then_o no_o rule_n or_o else_o no_o christian_a for_o the_o space_n of_o 300._o year_n be_v bind_v to_o believe_v that_o the_o one_o be_v leave_v by_o s._n peter_n and_o s._n paul_n no_o more_o than_o the_o other_o by_o s._n philip_n and_o s._n john_n nay_o further_o we_o read_v not_o that_o any_o canon_n be_v make_v contra_fw-la quartadecimanos_fw-la in_o the_o nicene_n council_n whereby_o epiphanius_n or_o any_o other_o father_n shall_v score_v they_o up_o for_o heretic_n but_o only_o that_o it_o be_v thought_n meet_v the_o tessaredecatite_n be_v few_o apost_n euseb_n in_o vita_fw-la constant._n lib._n 3_o cap_n 13._o &_o 17._o socr._n lib._n 5._o cap._n 20._o &_o 21._o sozom._n lib._n 7._o cap._n 18._o &_o 19_o can._n 8._o apost_n shall_v yield_v to_o the_o great_a number_n now_o whether_o they_o yield_v or_o yield_v not_o we_o have_v no_o sure_a evidence_n only_o we_o may_v strong_o conjecture_v they_o do_v not_o yield_v by_o that_o we_o read_v of_o this_o matter_n in_o socrates_n and_o sozomen_n as_o for_o that_o peremptory_a magisterial_a canon_n which_o cast_v every_o bishop_n presbyter_n and_o deacon_n out_o of_o the_o church_n if_o he_o celebrate_v his_o easter_n ante_fw-la vernum_fw-la aequinoctium_fw-la cum_fw-la judaeis_n it_o be_v not_o know_v where_n or_o when_o or_o by_o who_o or_o what_o it_o be_v enact_v and_o so_o consequent_o where_n or_o when_o or_o by_o who_o or_o what_o it_o shall_v be_v obey_v wherefore_o i_o for_o my_o part_n can_v disallow_v the_o resolution_n of_o socrates_n that_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n be_v never_o impose_v upon_o the_o church_n by_o the_o apostle_n but_o bring_v to_o observation_n by_o the_o free_a choice_n and_o like_n of_o christian_a nation_n and_o so_o continue_v by_o long_a custom_n till_o by_o the_o brawl_a and_o immoderatenesse_n of_o some_o wayward_a man_n the_o church_n be_v constrain_v to_o work_v out_o her_o own_o peace_n by_o uniformity_n now_o to_o augustine_n rule_n beside_o a_o number_n of_o instance_n which_o may_v be_v bring_v against_o it_o as_o namely_o the_o dignity_n of_o alexandria_n over_o egypt_n lybia_n and_o pentapolis_n and_o the_o dignity_n of_o rome_n over_o the_o west_n province_n which_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a ground_v neither_o upon_o scripture_n apostle_n 19_o can._n 6._o jerom_n ad_fw-la euagr_n &_o in_o epist_n ad_fw-la tot._n aug._n epist_n 19_o nor_o council_n but_o old_a custom_n as_o also_o the_o appropriate_a of_o the_o name_n bishop_n to_o the_o chief_a minister_n wherein_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n no_o tradition_n or_o council_n general_o prevail_v to_o this_o rule_n i_o say_v that_o it_o crack_v the_o very_a crown_n of_o the_o popish_a church_n for_o nothing_o not_o contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n can_v be_v universal_o observe_v but_o either_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n or_o else_o the_o decree_n of_o plenary_a counsel_n it_o be_v clear_a that_o the_o pope_n universal_a power_n be_v shut_v out_o of_o door_n and_o therefore_o to_o requite_v the_o intricate_a dilemma_n he_o talk_v of_o let_v i_o reason_n thus_o with_o your_o papist_n the_o pope_n either_o have_v power_n to_o impose_v decree_n and_o constitution_n upon_o the_o universal_a church_n of_o christ_n or_o else_o he_o have_v not_o if_o he_o have_v then_o austin_n rule_n be_v crooked_a and_o may_v deceive_v we_o if_o he_o have_v not_o than_o the_o pope_n universal_a shephardship_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v come_v to_o nothing_o howbeit_o i_o beseech_v you_o mark_v further_o how_o he_o hudle_v up_o contrary_n and_o so_o mar_v the_o fashion_n of_o his_o own_o rule_n for_o if_o all_o thing_n observe_v universal_o must_v be_v follow_v and_o embrace_v as_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n if_o they_o be_v not_o contain_v either_o in_o scripture_n or_o counsel_n then_o no_o man_n may_v presume_v upon_o any_o alteration_n of_o state_n and_o time_n to_o abolish_v they_o if_o they_o may_v abolish_v they_o and_z alter_v they_o then_o be_v they_o not_o bind_v to_o follow_v &_o embrace_v they_o add_v hereunto_o that_o as_o the_o apostle_n successor_n as_o he_o say_v might_n and_o have_v altete_v and_o abolish_v apostolical_a tradition_n general_o practise_v in_o the_o universal_a church_n so_o i_o will_v see_v some_o reason_n why_o they_o may_v not_o still_o upon_o the_o like_a alteration_n of_o circumstance_n abolish_v more_o of_o they_o and_o so_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o all_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_n not_o find_v in_o scripture_n hang_v upon_o circumstance_n and_o may_v if_o it_o please_v the_o apostle_n successor_n be_v quit_v abolish_v have_v he_o not_o spin_v a_o fair_a thread_n think_v you_o that_o thus_o indanger_v his_o own_o religion_n yet_o he_o crow_v loud_a after_o all_o this_o fond_a feather-fluttering_a that_o all_o be_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o sun_n yet_o never_o dare_v any_o catholic_a father_n or_o church_n one_o or_o other_o set_v down_o this_o remnant_n of_o tradition_n and_o unite_v it_o to_o the_o body_n of_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n which_o infallible_o demonstrate_v that_o all_o be_v not_o as_o clear_v as_o the_o sun_n and_o it_o be_v further_a to_o be_v observe_v how_o he_o be_v fain_o to_o clout_n out_o saint_n austin_n rule_n with_o a_o new_a patch_n which_o mar_v all_o for_o when_o he_o see_v that_o universal_a practice_n be_v not_o enough_o to_o prove_v a_o tradition_n apostolical_a unless_o it_o be_v trace_v still_o downward_o from_o the_o apostle_n to_o our_o day_n keep_v be_v keep_v he_o be_v not_o content_a with_o custodiuntur_fw-la which_o he_o find_v in_o austin_n but_o add_v have_v be_v universal_o practise_v from_o age_n to_o age_n and_o from_o bishop_n to_o bishop_n which_o no_o man_n alive_a be_v possible_o able_a to_o make_v good_a in_o any_o one_o unwritten_a tradition_n popish_a or_o catholic_a unless_o the_o church_n have_v continual_o appoint_v in_o every_o age_n such_o a_o one_o as_o sir_n francis_n drake_n that_o shall_v travel_v all_o the_o world_n over_o from_o
dialogue_n sectio_fw-la vii_o saint_n austin_n pompous_a funeral_n great_a troop_n of_o mourner_n sumptuous_a monument_n these_o do_v bring_v some_o comfort_n such_o as_o it_o be_v unto_o the_o live_n but_o they_o be_v not_o available_a unto_o the_o dead_a but_o we_o ought_v long_o ought_v what_o be_v it_o that_o put_v the_o matter_n out_o of_o doubt_n let_v that_o be_v show_v and_o we_o will_v doubt_v no_o long_o not_o to_o doubt_v but_o that_o the_o dead_a be_v relieve_v by_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o holy_a church_n by_o the_o wholesome_a sacrifice_n and_o by_o alm_n which_o be_v give_v that_o it_o may_v please_v our_o lord_n to_o deal_v more_o merciful_o with_o they_o than_o their_o sin_n have_v deserve_v this_o custom_n the_o universal_a church_n do_v observe_v be_v deliver_v by_o tradition_n apostolis_n tradition_n austin_n say_v a_o patribus_fw-la not_o ab_fw-la apostolis_n from_o the_o apostle_n that_o whereas_o at_o the_o time_n of_o the_o sacrifice_n commemoration_n be_v make_v of_o you_o of_o all_o communicant_n and_o only_a communicant_n be_v pray_v for_o be_v this_o catholic_a doctrine_n think_v you_o all_o soul_n depart_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n they_o shall_v be_v pray_v for_o and_o that_o the_o sacrifice_n also_o shall_v be_v offer_v for_o they_o de_fw-fr verb._n apost_n sermon_n 32._o we_o ought_v it_o ought_v nor_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o say_v it_o unless_o we_o can_v prove_v it_o not_o to_o deny_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a be_v relieve_v by_o the_o devotion_n of_o their_o live_a friend_n when_o as_o either_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o our_o redeemer_n be_v offer_v for_o they_o or_o alm_n give_v in_o the_o church_n enchir._n ad_fw-la laurent_n prope_fw-la fin_n when_o the_o martyr_n be_v mention_v at_o the_o altar_n of_o god_n they_o be_v not_o pray_v for_o but_o all_o but_o what_o all_o confessor_n bishop_n pope_n and_o all_o all_o other_o which_o be_v dead_a which_o be_v there_o remember_v be_v pray_v for_o de_fw-fr verb._n apostol_n serm_n 17._o when_o the_o sacrifice_n whether_o it_o be_v of_o the_o altar_n or_o of_o alm_n deed_n be_v offer_v for_o such_o as_o be_v dead_a mali_fw-la dead_a why_o not_o before_o as_o well_o as_o after_o you_o may_v as_o well_o offer_v for_o the_o unbaptised_a as_o for_o those_o that_o be_v valdé_v mali_fw-la after_o baptism_n for_o those_o that_o be_v very_o good_a they_o be_v thanksgiving_n for_o those_o which_o be_v not_o very_o evil_a they_o be_v propitiatory_a for_o those_o which_o be_v very_o evil_a although_o they_o profit_v not_o the_o dead_a yet_o be_v they_o some_o comfort_n unto_o the_o live_n dulcitij_fw-la question_n quest_n 2._o read_v his_o epistle_n ad_fw-la aurelium_fw-la episcopum_fw-la and_o his_o treatise_n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la this_o be_v no_o doubt_n s._n austin_n be_v austin_n or_o else_o you_o know_v not_o what_o faith_n be_v faith_n which_o he_o write_v teach_v and_o practise_v in_o his_o church_n and_o which_o be_v at_o that_o time_n general_o receive_v in_o the_o latin_a church_n the_o answer_n avstine_n belike_o be_v plentiful_a in_o this_o question_n for_o we_o have_v here_o four_o several_a place_n out_o of_o his_o work_n which_o we_o will_v brief_o run_v over_o as_o they_o come_v in_o the_o first_o austin_n be_v force_v to_o turn_v his_o tale_n for_o whereas_o before_o where_o this_o place_n be_v allege_v for_o tradition_n prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v no_o more_o but_o a_o tradition_n of_o the_o father_n here_o austin_n be_v entreat_v to_o say_v that_o it_o be_v deliver_v by_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n i_o think_v your_o papist_n shall_v know_v that_o our_o writer_n allege_v this_o very_a place_n of_o austin_n to_o show_v that_o this_o manner_n of_o pray_v be_v receive_v of_o the_o church_n long_o after_o the_o apostle_n time_n 10._o decad._n 4._o serm_n 10._o as_o for_o example_n bullinger_n in_o his_o decade_n illud_fw-la dissimulare_fw-la non_fw-la possum_fw-la say_v he_o id_fw-la quod_fw-la isti_fw-la traditionem_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la appellant_n s._n augustinum_n nuncupare_fw-la traditionem_fw-la patrum_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la receptam_fw-la nam_fw-la sermone_fw-la de_fw-la verbis_fw-la apostoli_fw-la 32._o hoc_fw-la à _fw-la patribus_fw-la inquit_fw-la traditum_fw-la universa_fw-la obseruat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o i_o can_v hide_v that_o that_o which_o they_o call_v a_o traditon_n of_o the_o apostle_n 1._o quest_n 1._o augustine_n call_v a_o tradition_n of_o the_o father_n receive_v by_o the_o church_n see_v serm._n de_fw-fr verbis_fw-la apostoli_fw-la 32._o this_o say_v he_o be_v deliver_v by_o the_o father_n do_v the_o whole_a church_n observe_v and_o a_o little_a after_o conclude_v his_o significantius_fw-la innuere_fw-la videtur_fw-la hunc_fw-la ritum_fw-la orandi_fw-la pro_fw-la defunctis_fw-la haud_fw-la dubie_n post_n long_fw-mi internalla_fw-la à _fw-la temporibus_fw-la apostolorun_n ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la receptum_fw-la esse_fw-la by_o these_o word_n he_o seem_v more_o thorough_o to_o insinuate_v that_o this_o custom_n of_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a be_v without_o all_o doubt_n receive_v by_o the_o church_n a_o long_a space_n after_o the_o apostle_n time_n wherefore_o this_o budgen_v and_o set_v down_o quid_fw-la pro_fw-la quo_fw-la in_o so_o material_a a_o testimony_n argue_v a_o perverse_a resolution_n rather_o to_o quench_v the_o fire_n of_o truth_n than_o the_o stubble_n and_o straw_n of_o our_o error_n shall_v be_v consume_v but_o for_o answer_v i_o say_v that_o austin_n himself_o doubt_v of_o that_o which_o here_o he_o say_v we_o ought_v not_o to_o doubt_v of_o thus_o he_o write_v in_o the_o question_n of_o dulcitius_n sieve_n in_o hac_fw-la vita_fw-la tantum_fw-la homines_fw-la ista_fw-la patiuntur_fw-la sive_fw-la etiam_fw-la post_fw-la hanc_fw-la vitam_fw-la talia_fw-la quaedam_fw-la iudicia_fw-la subsequuntur_fw-la non_fw-la abhorret_fw-la quantùm_fw-la arbitror_fw-la à _fw-la ratione_fw-la veritatis_fw-la iste_fw-la intellectus_fw-la huius_fw-la sententiae_fw-la whether_o man_n suffer_v these_o thing_n only_o in_o this_o life_n or_o whether_o after_o this_o life_n some_o such_o judgement_n follow_v this_o understanding_n of_o this_o sentence_n be_v not_o without_o some_o show_n of_o truth_n as_o i_o suppose_v also_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr civitate_fw-la dei_fw-la 26_o lib._n 21._o cap._n 26_o sive_fw-la ibi_fw-la tantum_fw-la sive_fw-la hic_fw-la &_o ibi_fw-la sive_fw-la ideo_fw-la hic_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la ibi_fw-la saecularia_fw-la quamuis_fw-la à _fw-la damnatione_fw-la venialia_fw-la concremantem_fw-la ignem_fw-la transitoriae_fw-la tribulationis_fw-la inveniant_fw-la non_fw-la redarguo_fw-la quia_fw-la forsitan_fw-la verum_fw-la est_fw-la whether_o thing_n commit_v in_o this_o world_n though_o venial_a in_o respect_n of_o damnation_n do_v find_v a_o transitory_a fire_n of_o tribulation_n here_o only_o or_o here_o and_o there_o or_o therefore_o here_o because_o not_o there_o i_o seek_v not_o to_o convince_v because_o perhaps_o it_o be_v true_a and_o in_o his_o enchiridion_n 69._o cap._n 69._o tale_n aliquid_fw-la post_fw-la hanc_fw-la vitam_fw-la fieri_fw-la incredibile_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la &_o utrum_fw-la ita_fw-la sit_fw-la quaeri_fw-la potest_fw-la that_o some_o such_o thing_n be_v do_v after_o this_o life_n it_o be_v not_o incredible_a and_o whether_o it_o be_v so_o do_v it_o be_v a_o question_n now_o than_o if_o austin_n himself_o doubt_v whether_o man_n be_v punish_v transitory_o after_o this_o life_n i_o know_v your_o papist_n will_n give_v we_o leave_v to_o doubt_v whether_o the_o dead_a be_v relieve_v by_o our_o prayer_n moreover_o it_o be_v here_o likewise_o to_o be_v observe_v that_o no_o soul_n be_v pray_v or_o offer_v for_o or_o think_v worthy_a to_o be_v remember_v at_o the_o altar_n but_o such_o as_o depart_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n 6._o lib._n 1._o contr._n julian._n &_o lib._n 1_o de_fw-la peccat_fw-la merit_n &_o remiss_a council_n 6._o cap._n 83._o &_o carth._n con._n 3._o cap._n 6._o which_o include_v a_o general_a belief_n of_o those_o time_n that_o none_o but_o communicant_n can_v be_v save_v and_o therefore_o austin_n urge_v it_o as_o hot_o as_o any_o other_o tradition_n that_o the_o eucharist_n as_o well_o as_o baptism_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o even_o of_o new_a bear_v babe_n whereof_o it_o come_v that_o the_o bread_n &_o wine_n be_v then_o thrust_v into_o the_o mouth_n of_o infant_n and_o dead_a carcase_n both_o in_o the_o greek_a and_o latin_a church_n forasmuch_o then_o as_o this_o place_n of_o austin_n teach_v two_o point_n of_o general_a doctrine_n one_o that_o prayer_n sacrifice_n and_o alm_n do_v profit_v the_o dead_a the_o other_o that_o none_o can_v be_v save_v but_o communicant_n and_o so_o prayer_n and_o sacrifice_n and_o dole_n to_o be_v make_v for_o no_o other_o we_o think_v ourselves_o no_o more_o bind_v to_o receive_v the_o one_o at_o austin_n hand_n than_o papist_n think_v themselves_o bind_v to_o receive_v the_o other_o furthermore_o these_o
evangelium_fw-la demonstrat_fw-la inferos_fw-la intelligimus_fw-la &_o novissimum_fw-la quadrantem_fw-la modicum_fw-la delictum_fw-la mora_fw-la resurrectionis_fw-la illic_fw-la luendum_fw-la interpretamur_fw-la nemo_fw-la dubitavit_fw-la animam_fw-la aliquid_fw-la pensare_fw-la penes_fw-la inferos_fw-la salua_fw-la resurrectionis_fw-la plenitudine_fw-la per_fw-la carnem_fw-la quoque_fw-la when_o we_o understand_v by_o the_o prison_n which_o the_o gospel_n speak_v of_o hell_n &_o interpret_v the_o last_o farthing_n a_o small_a sin_n to_o be_v do_v away_o by_o the_o delay_n of_o the_o resurrection_n no_o man_n will_v doubt_v that_o the_o soul_n do_v pay_v something_o in_o hell_n leave_v the_o rest_n to_o be_v fulfil_v at_o the_o resurrection_n by_o the_o flesh_n also_o here_o we_o find_v somewhat_o like_o purgatory_n though_o i_o dare_v not_o say_v it_o be_v the_o same_o but_o let_v it_o be_v so_o if_o you_o will_n now_o see_v what_o follow_v in_o the_o same_o place_n immediate_o hoc_fw-la paracletus_fw-la frequentissimè_fw-la commendavit_fw-la si_fw-la quis_fw-la sermon_n eius_fw-la ex_fw-la agnitione_n charismatum_fw-la promissorum_fw-la admiserit_fw-la this_o the_o paraclete_n have_v often_o commend_v if_o a_o man_n admit_v his_o say_n by_o acknowledge_v the_o promise_a grace_n where_o you_o may_v learn_v that_o doctrine_n be_v knock_v into_o tertullians_n head_n by_o his_o familiar_a that_o be_v by_o the_o paraclete_n of_o montanus_n yea_o but_o why_o dare_v you_o not_o say_v that_o this_o prison_n be_v purgatory_n do_v you_o ask_v why_o marry_o the_o very_a word_n make_v i_o to_o stand_v doubtful_a namely_o per_fw-la carnem_fw-la quoque_fw-la by_o the_o flesh_n also_o which_o to_o my_o understanding_n import_n that_o the_o soul_n only_o must_v not_o feel_v smart_n but_o caro_fw-la quoque_fw-la the_o flesh_n also_o and_o good_a reason_n it_o shall_v be_v so_o for_o if_o nothing_o can_v enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n before_o it_o be_v purify_v and_o we_o know_v that_o the_o modica_fw-la delicta_fw-la small_a sin_n as_o well_o as_o other_o capital_a sin_n taint_v the_o body_n as_o well_o as_o the_o soul_n we_o must_v needs_o devise_v a_o purificatorie_a for_o the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o a_o purgatory_n for_o the_o other_o and_o so_o hold_v with_o tertullian_n that_o the_o soul_n before_o the_o resurrection_n shall_v suffer_v per_fw-la se_fw-la by_o itself_o and_o after_o the_o resurrection_n per_fw-la carnem_fw-la quoque_fw-la else_o all_o be_v mar_v robert_n bellarmine_n the_o new_a cardinal_n see_v this_o place_n of_o tertullian_n i_o dare_v say_v for_o he_o yet_o he_o pass_v it_o over_o slight_o &_o cit_v another_o place_n for_o purgatory_n out_o of_o the_o same_o book_n ille_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la angelus_fw-la executionis_fw-la te_fw-la in_fw-la carcerem_fw-la mandet_fw-la infernum_fw-la 6._o bellar._n de_fw-mi purge_v lib._n 1._o cap._n 4._o &_o cap._n 6._o unde_fw-la non_fw-la dimittaris_fw-la nisi_fw-la modico_fw-la quoque_fw-la delicto_fw-la mora_fw-la resurrectionis_fw-la expenso_fw-la he_o that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o angel_n of_o execution_n shall_v cast_v thou_o into_o infernal_a prison_n whence_o thou_o shall_v not_o come_v out_o till_o every_o little_a sin_n be_v pay_v for_o by_o the_o delay_n of_o the_o resurrection_n this_o place_n he_o cite_v in_o two_o several_a place_n and_o give_v we_o a_o special_a note_n to_o carry_v away_o with_o we_o nota_fw-la solum_fw-la esse_fw-la manendum_fw-la in_o carcere_fw-la purgatorij_fw-la ad_fw-la summum_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la resurrectionem_fw-la but_o alas_o good_a father_n robert_n the_o other_o place_n mar_v the_o fashion_n of_o this_o note_n for_o it_o add_v salua_fw-la resurrectionis_fw-la plenitudine_fw-la per_fw-la carnem_fw-la quoque_fw-la which_o give_v we_o a_o new_a note_n that_o both_o soul_n and_o body_n must_v likewise_o suffer_v in_o this_o infernal_a prison_n after_o the_o resurretion_n i_o doubt_v when_o all_o be_v come_v to_o all_o this_o prison_n will_v prove_v to_o be_v hell_n not_o purgatory_n yet_o such_o a_o hell_n as_o the_o millinarie_a heresy_n dream_v to_o be_v temporal_a not_o eternal_a wherefore_o i_o hope_v your_o papist_n will_n no_o more_o seek_v the_o belief_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n in_o tertullian_n heluid_fw-la jerom_n contra_fw-la heluid_fw-la who_o be_v not_o of_o the_o church_n nor_o look_v any_o more_o in_o tertullians_n mouth_n for_o his_o age_n tell_v we_o that_o he_o live_v near_o unto_o the_o apostle_n till_o he_o can_v prove_v his_o doctrine_n to_o be_v apostolical_a the_o name_n of_o epiphanius_n ambrose_n austin_n and_o chrysostome_n be_v repeat_v here_o for_o a_o show_n but_o you_o have_v hear_v what_o private_a conference_n i_o have_v with_o they_o whereunto_o add_v that_o their_o witness_n be_v single_a man_n can_v just_o be_v accept_v for_o a_o public_a record_n of_o religion_n whereunto_o luther_n of_o any_o other_o servant_n of_o god_n may_v not_o oppose_v himself_o they_o live_v in_o a_o manner_n altogether_o they_o can_v not_o see_v over_o far_o either_o before_o or_o behind_o or_o about_o they_o neither_o be_v it_o convenient_a that_o we_o shall_v make_v a_o idol_n of_o man_n authority_n a_o great_a sort_n of_o father_n agree_v that_o elias_n shall_v come_v before_o the_o last_o day_n 17.12_o mat._n 17.12_o yet_o i_o have_v rather_o believe_v christ_n that_o say_v elias_n be_v come_v already_o many_o of_o the_o father_n say_v the_o wicked_a a_o thousand_o year_n after_o dome_n day_n 40._o lib._n 2._o cap._n 39_o &_o 40._o shall_v be_v save_v yet_o by_o your_o leave_n i_o have_v rather_o say_v otherwise_o irenaeus_n hold_v that_o christ_n be_v never_o fifty_o year_n old_a when_o he_o be_v put_v to_o death_n and_o prove_v it_o by_o the_o common_a consent_n of_o all_o the_o bishop_n of_o asia_n that_o learn_v it_o of_o s._n john_n yet_o may_v we_o not_o believe_v that_o this_o be_v then_o believe_v through_o the_o universal_a church_n tertullian_n in_o his_o apology_n for_o the_o christian_a church_n of_o his_o time_n say_v that_o the_o soul_n can_v suffer_v any_o thing_n sine_fw-la stabili_fw-la materia_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la earn_v yet_o may_v we_o not_o believe_v that_o christian_n believe_v so_o through_o the_o world_n the_o same_o father_n say_v in_o the_o same_o apology_n that_o christian_n do_v they_o public_o pray_v pro_fw-la mora_fw-la finis_fw-la yet_o be_v it_o hard_o to_o say_v after_o he_o 22.20_o apoc._n 22.20_o that_o the_o whole_a church_n pray_v against_o the_o appear_a of_o christ_n in_o the_o cloud_n to_o vanquish_v death_n and_o to_o accomplish_v their_o redemption_n s._n john_n pray_v come_v lord_n jesu_n come_v quick_o and_o therefore_o i_o dare_v not_o say_v the_o church_n ever_o pray_v stay_v lord_n jesu_n and_o come_v slow_o howbeit_o let_v the_o catholic_a father_n have_v all_o the_o credit_n &_o honour_n that_o bare_a man_n be_v capable_a of_o we_o will_v not_o stand_v against_o it_o but_o to_o throw_v down_o so_o many_o kingdom_n so_o many_o dukedom_n so_o many_o flourish_a commonweal_n so_o many_o free_a city_n &_o church_n as_o if_o the_o bare_a affirmation_n of_o one_o man_n do_v over-rule_v they_o it_o be_v too_o much_o indignity_n if_o luther_n bare_a affirmation_n be_v so_o mighty_a in_o operation_n let_v not_o your_o papist_n &_o his_o companion_n call_v any_o more_o for_o miracle_n to_o confirm_v his_o vocation_n but_o if_o it_o be_v the_o breath_n of_o god_n mouth_n that_o begin_v in_o he_o &_o in_o his_o time_n more_o powerful_o to_o consume_v antichrist_n then_o in_o former_a age_n they_o fear_n friend_n papist_n i_o say_v fear_v the_o revenge_a hand_n of_o god_n who_o will_v not_o suffer_v his_o power_n to_o be_v deride_v the_o dialogue_n sectio_fw-la xi_o purgatory_n all_o the_o proof_n before_o allege_v for_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a may_v as_o well_o serve_v for_o the_o proof_n of_o purgatory_n for_o such_o be_v the_o relation_n between_o the_o one_o and_o the_o other_o as_o answer_n as_o this_o be_v but_o a_o conceit_n look_v the_o answer_n they_o can_v be_v separate_v for_o why_o do_v we_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a the_o answer_n be_v make_v by_o s._n chrysostome_n that_o appear_v that_o some_o pray_v to_o that_o end_n without_o warrant_n and_o some_o to_o other_o end_n etc._n etc._n as_o shall_v appear_v they_o may_v attain_v to_o rest_n that_o they_o may_v find_v the_o judge_n favourable_a whereof_o it_o follow_v that_o they_o be_v in_o a_o place_n where_o they_o want_v rest_n &_o where_o they_o have_v need_n of_o refresh_v yet_o i_o will_v allege_v some_o few_o place_n for_o the_o peculiar_a proof_n thereof_o saint_n austin_n expound_v the_o place_n of_o saint_n paul_n the_o three_o to_o the_o corinth_n if_o any_o man_n shall_v build_v upon_o this_o foundation_n etc._n etc._n say_v thus_o austin_n thus_o these_o place_n be_v not_o austin_n many_o there_o be_v that_o by_o misunderstand_v this_o place_n do_v deceive_v themselves_o with_o a_o false_a security_n beléeve_v that_o if_o they_o do_v build_v upon_o the_o
doctrine_n by_o the_o infalliblenesse_n of_o the_o outward_a sense_n 1.1_o 1._o john_n 1.1_o say_v that_o which_o we_o have_v hear_v which_o we_o have_v see_v with_o these_o our_o eye_n which_o we_o have_v look_v upon_o &_o these_o hand_n have_v handle_v of_o that_o word_n of_o life_n that_o i_o say_v which_o we_o have_v see_v and_o hear_v declare_v we_o unto_o you_o not_o that_o you_o may_v be_v heretic_n and_o atheist_n but_o that_o you_o may_v have_v fellowship_n with_o we_o and_o that_o our_o fellowship_n may_v be_v with_o the_o father_n and_o with_o his_o son_n jesus_n christ_n now_o touch_v humane_a reason_n i_o will_v glad_o know_v whether_o our_o papist_n have_n frame_v his_o argument_n with_o it_o or_o without_o it_o if_o with_o it_o let_v he_o take_v heed_n he_o be_v not_o a_o heretic_n or_o a_o atheist_n if_o without_o it_o i_o doubt_v he_o shall_v hardly_o move_v either_o heretic_n or_o catholic_a to_o be_v of_o his_o opinion_n much_o less_o convert_v infidel_n it_o be_v strange_a doctrine_n to_o teach_v man_n never_o to_o use_v the_o help_n of_o humane_a reason_n because_o saint_n paul_n say_v 19_o rom._n 1_o 19_o the_o wisdom_n of_o this_o world_n if_o foolishness_n for_o though_o the_o mystery_n of_o our_o redemption_n in_o christ_n jesu_n be_v far_o beyond_o the_o reach_n of_o man_n wisdom_n yet_o the_o same_o paul_n say_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o you_o may_v be_v know_v concern_v god_n be_v ingraff_v in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n whereby_o god_n eternal_a power_n and_o godhead_n shine_v in_o his_o work_n be_v know_v unto_o he_o and_o peter_n lombard_n 24._o lib._n 3_o do_v 24._o his_o own_o prophet_n say_v quaedan_n fide_fw-la creduntur_fw-la quae_fw-la intelliguntur_fw-la naturali_fw-la ratione_fw-la something_o be_v be_v believe_v by_o faith_n which_o be_v understand_v by_o natural_a reason_n but_o to_o make_v short_a work_n paul_n say_v indeed_o that_o the_o natural_a man_n perceive_v not_o the_o thing_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o god_n forbid_v we_o shall_v deny_v it_o but_o yet_o the_o same_o apostle_n present_o after_o say_v etc._n 1._o cor._n 2.14_o etc._n etc._n again_o the_o spiritual_a man_n discern_v all_o thing_n now_o let_v he_o show_v we_o that_o papist_n be_v spiritual_a man_n and_o protestant_n natural_a man_n and_o then_o we_o will_v veil_v the_o bonnet_n of_o his_o insensible_a and_o unreasonable_a assertion_n otherwise_o we_o may_v not_o become_v fool_n and_o run_v mad_a at_o his_o pleasure_n again_o where_o he_o dispute_v that_o a_o infidel_n may_v reject_v the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o dead_a the_o mystery_n of_o the_o trinity_n the_o eternity_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n the_o come_n in_o of_o christ_n in_o his_o natural_a body_n to_o his_o disciple_n the_o door_n be_v shut_v and_o such_o like_a article_n of_o our_o christian_a faith_n as_o well_o as_o we_o may_v reject_v the_o real_a presence_n in_o the_o sacrament_n you_o may_v see_v the_o pure_a simplicity_n of_o this_o man_n who_o make_v christ_n entrance_n through_o a_o shut_a door_n to_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n howbeit_o his_o master_n of_o sentence_n find_v document_n of_o the_o trinity_n in_o thing_n create_v and_o saint_n austin_n say_v 20._o lib._n 1._o do_v 3._o de_fw-fr trinitate_fw-la lib._n 6._o cap._n 20._o oportet_fw-la ut_fw-la creatorem_fw-la per_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la facta_fw-la sunt_fw-la intellecta_fw-la conspicientes_fw-la trinitatem_fw-la intelligamus_fw-la it_o behoove_v we_o that_o we_o behold_v in_o understand_v the_o creator_n by_o the_o thing_n which_o be_v create_v shall_v understand_v the_o trinity_n again_o tertullian_n have_v write_v a_o book_n de_fw-fr resurrectione_n carnis_fw-la and_o athenagoras_n a_o christian_a philosopher_n have_v write_v another_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o dead_a athenagoras_n tertullian_n athenagoras_n wherein_o this_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v sound_o prove_v by_o humane_a reason_n and_o it_o be_v a_o sure_a ground_n that_o god_n can_v be_v without_o his_o power_n and_o wisdom_n and_o that_o the_o father_n be_v fons_n &_o origo_fw-la deitatis_fw-la as_o sol_fw-mi be_v fons_fw-la &_o origo_fw-la lucis_fw-la the_o fountain_n and_o original_n of_o the_o godhead_n as_o the_o sun_n be_v the_o fountain_n and_o original_n of_o light_n it_o will_v not_o be_v so_o hard_a to_o conceive_v by_o reason_n that_o the_o son_n of_o god_n may_v be_v beget_v &_o yet_o coeternal_a with_o god_n his_o father_n but_o i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o labour_v further_o in_o this_o point_n there_o be_v a_o treatise_n write_v purposely_o of_o this_o argument_n by_o philip_n morney_n a_o noble_a man_n of_o france_n morney_n phil._n morney_n wherein_o you_o may_v see_v how_o far_o reason_n may_v wade_v in_o these_o &_o such_o like_a article_n of_o christianity_n &_o therefore_o if_o a_o infidel_n fly_v to_o humane_a reason_n he_o shall_v have_v some_o stay_n to_o lean_v upon_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n whereas_o neither_o he_o nor_o we_o nor_o any_o man_n else_o live_v can_v find_v any_o possibility_n of_o reason_n or_o sense_n to_o induce_v we_o to_o believe_v the_o real_a presence_n howbeit_o he_o may_v do_v well_o to_o teach_v we_o from_o what_o a_o infidel_n shall_v appeal_v to_o the_o arbiterment_n of_o humane_a reason_n be_v it_o like_o that_o any_o man_n will_v press_v a_o infidel_n with_o scripture_n father_n &_o counsel_n &_o so_o to_o drive_v he_o to_o appeal_v to_o reason_n paul_n say_v that_o prophesy_v serve_v not_o for_o infidel_n but_o for_o they_o which_o believe_v 14.22_o 1._o cor._n 14.22_o where_o the_o apostle_n mean_v such_o infidel_n as_o be_v altogether_o stranger_n from_o christian_a doctrine_n and_o must_v be_v win_v by_o sign_n not_o by_o prophesy_v as_o for_o father_n &_o counsel_n we_o may_v not_o prefer_v they_o to_o paul_n and_o peter_n in_o the_o conversion_n of_o a_o infidel_n and_o beside_o that_o infidel_n will_v make_v more_o account_n of_o their_o own_o prophet_n epimenides_n menander_n and_o aratus_n 1.12_o tit._n 1.12_o plato_n hesiode_n and_o homer_n &_o such_o like_a than_o of_o our_o father_n and_o counsel_n yet_o notwithstanding_o if_o we_o shall_v confess_v that_o other_o matter_n of_o faith_n can_v be_v measure_v by_o humane_a reason_n without_o danger_n of_o heresy_n yet_o if_o you_o cleave_v to_o his_o faith_n &_o not_o to_o your_o own_o reason_n in_o the_o real_a presence_n you_o can_v choose_v but_o be_v a_o heretic_n shing_n dial_n 2._o in_o con_v the_o symbol_n or_o sign_n of_o the_o lord_n body_n after_o the_o priest_n have_v invocate_v be_v charge_v &_o make_v other_o shing_n and_o this_o do_v theodoret_n evident_o declare_v in_o one_o of_o his_o dialogue_n where_o the_o heretic_n say_v symbola_fw-la dominici_fw-la corporis_fw-la &_o sanguinis_fw-la post_fw-la invocationem_fw-la sacerdotis_fw-la mutantur_fw-la et_fw-la alia_fw-la fiunt_fw-la and_o this_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o substantial_a change_n as_o our_o papist_n do_v at_o this_o day_n but_o the_o catholic_a answer_v signa_fw-la mysticapost_n sanctificationem_fw-la non_fw-la recedunt_fw-la à _fw-la natura_fw-la sva_fw-la manent_fw-la enim_fw-la in_o priori_fw-la substantia_fw-la &_o figura_fw-la &_o forma_fw-la thus_o have_v theodoret_n a_o learned_a and_o ancient_a father_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n write_v almost_o 1200._o year_n ago_o give_v clear_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n be_v not_o catholic_a in_o his_o time_n but_o heretical_a what_o the_o greek_a church_n think_v of_o it_o at_o this_o day_n may_v better_o be_v learn_v by_o the_o last_o session_n of_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n than_o by_o the_o bold_a face_n of_o this_o papist_n who_o head_n be_v so_o full_a of_o uniform_a consent_n and_o argument_n of_o credibilitie_n ultima_fw-la council_n florent_fw-la sess_v ultima_fw-la that_o he_o forget_v how_o many_o of_o the_o evangelist_n speak_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n see_v then_o what_o ill_a luck_n this_o poor_a man_n have_v that_o both_o his_o uniform_a consent_n fail_v he_o the_o one_o confute_v by_o theodoret_n and_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n the_o other_o by_o saint_n johns_n gospel_n where_o you_o shall_v not_o find_v one_o word_n speak_v of_o the_o sacrament_n all_o the_o four_o evangelist_n quoth_v he_o how_o i_o pray_v you_o in_o think_v word_n or_o deed_n marry_o say_v he_o in_o direct_a and_o plain_a word_n indeed_o the_o word_n of_o three_o evangelist_n be_v direct_a and_o plain_a against_o he_o but_o the_o four_o say_v nothing_o matthew_n &_o mark_v say_v that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n blood_n after_o consecration_n be_v the_o fruit_n of_o the_o vine_n 20._o math._n 26.29_o mar._n 14.25_o cap._n 22_o 20._o and_o luke_n say_v that_o the_o cup_n be_v the_o new_a testament_n in_o his_o blood_n now_o if_o you_o understand_v by_o the_o cup_n not_o wine_n but_o real_a blood_n it_o will_v follow_v
the_o contrary_a pa._n it_o fare_v with_o you_o in_o this_o business_n much_o like_o as_o with_o a_o man_n that_o have_v lose_v his_o way_n who_o the_o more_o he_o bestir_v himself_o the_o further_o he_o be_v from_o the_o end_n of_o his_o journey_n your_o heresy_n have_v be_v pursue_v and_o chase_v through_o all_o the_o double_n &_o windinge_n which_o it_o can_v possible_o imagine_v and_o be_v now_o retire_v like_o a_o crafty_a fox_n into_o the_o burrow_n where_o it_o be_v first_o litter_v &_o breed_v which_o be_v the_o judgement_n and_o censure_n of_o humane_a reason_n whereunto_o as_o unto_o a_o supreme_a judge_n it_o do_v now_o appeal_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o scripture_n of_o non_fw-la potest_fw-la per_fw-la ullam_fw-la scripturam_fw-la probari_fw-la roffensis_n contra_fw-la captivit_fw-la babiloni_n i._n it_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o any_o scripture_n scripture_n father_n and_o counsel_n and_o sure_o this_o be_v the_o very_a fountain_n and_o seminary_n of_o all_o atheism_n &_o heresy_n for_o if_o i_o shall_v labour_v to_o instruct_v a_o infidel_n in_o the_o principal_a point_n of_o christian_n religion_n as_o the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o very_a same_o body_n after_o they_o be_v consume_v to_o dust_n &_o ash_n that_o the_o father_n be_v god_n the_o son_n god_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n god_n and_o yet_o that_o they_o three_o be_v but_o one_o god_n without_o confound_v of_o the_o person_n that_o the_o son_n be_v eternal_a and_o yet_o beget_v of_o his_o father_n that_o religion_n that_o i_o marvel_v how_o this_o can_v he_o show_v to_o be_v a_o principal_a point_n of_o christian_n religion_n christ_n come_v in_o unto_o his_o disciple_n the_o shut_v the_o be_v the_o protestant_n heretic_n for_o so_o interpret_n what_o if_o he_o come_v in_o at_o the_o window_n or_o chimney_n or_o lover_n hole_n non_fw-la dicitur_fw-la quod_fw-la intravit_fw-la per_fw-la ianuas_fw-la clausas_fw-la &c_n &c_n vide_fw-la durand_n lib._n 4._o do_v 44._o q._n 6._o 1._o it_o be_v not_o say_v that_o he_o enter_v by_o the_o door_n be_v shut_v door_n be_v shut_v not_o as_o the_o protestant_n interpret_v the_o door_n open_v unto_o he_o but_o after_o a_o miraculous_a and_o supernatural_a manner_n as_o s._n austin_n expound_v it_o tractatu_fw-la 121._o evangelij_fw-la s._n johannis_n all_o which_o be_v as_o contrary_a to_o the_o capacity_n of_o humane_a reason_n as_o the_o real_a presence_n in_o the_o sacrament_n if_o the_o infidel_n in_o this_o case_n shall_v appeal_v unto_o the_o same_o judge_n may_v he_o not_o with_o the_o same_o reason_n and_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o same_o arbitrator_n as_o well_o reject_v these_o and_o many_o like_a article_n of_o our_o christian_n faith_n as_o you_o do_v the_o real_a presence_n if_o the_o imperfection_n of_o man_n understanding_n be_v such_o in_o the_o comprehension_n of_o the_o work_n of_o nature_n that_o as_o 119.105_o as_o we_o must_v needs_o yield_v if_o such_o author_n speak_v against_o us._n so_o be_v not_o god_n word_n 2._o tim._n 3.16_o &_o psa_n 119.105_o socrates_n say_v hoc_fw-la solum_fw-la scimus_fw-la quod_fw-la nihil_fw-la scimus_fw-la this_o one_o thing_n we_o do_v know_v that_o we_o do_v know_v nothing_o how_o great_a be_v the_o imperfection_n thereof_o in_o the_o comprehension_n of_o thing_n supernatural_a be_v so_o far_o remote_a from_o our_o sense_n and_o understanding_n the_o wisdom_n of_o man_n as_o s._n paul_n say_v be_v foolishness_n with_o god_n and_o therefore_o a_o far_o incompetent_a judge_n be_v it_o to_o determine_v of_o thing_n appertain_v to_o god_n from_o this_o fountain_n spring_v first_o the_o heresy_n of_o arius_n who_o not_o be_v able_a to_o comprehend_v how_o the_o son_n of_o god_n can_v be_v beget_v when_o as_o there_o be_v no_o time_n of_o his_o beget_n choose_v rather_o to_o rend_v himself_o from_o the_o unity_n of_o help_v of_o that_o be_v not_o the_o popish_a church_n belike_o the_o catholic_a church_n can_v understand_v thing_n that_o be_v above_o understanding_n without_o the_o scripture_n help_v the_o catholic_a church_n and_o to_o wrest_v the_o scripture_n to_o his_o own_o capacity_n than_o to_o submit_v his_o own_o understanding_n in_o thing_n above_o understanding_n unto_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n the_o sure_a rock_n and_o pillar_n of_o truth_n and_o whosoever_o he_o be_v that_o in_o matter_n of_o his_o faith_n consult_v with_o flesh_n and_o blood_n measure_v the_o same_o by_o rule_n of_o humane_a reason_n must_v needs_o be_v a_o heretic_n if_o not_o a_o atheist_n if_o you_o demand_v how_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n i_o answer_v i_o live_v i_o no_o nor_o any_o man_n else_o live_v can_v tell_v because_o it_o be_v ineffable_a neither_o can_v i_o conceive_v it_o because_o it_o be_v incomprehensible_a if_o you_o do_v allege_v impossibility_n i_o answer_v that_o tertul._n that_o so_o answer_v praxeas_n the_o heretic_n vide_fw-la tertul._n nothing_o be_v to_o god_n impossible_a if_o you_o require_v argument_n of_o credibilitie_n you_o have_v as_o many_o and_o as_o great_a as_o for_o any_o one_o article_n of_o our_o christian_n faith_n you_o have_v the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n the_o i_o pray_v you_o where_o do_v s._n john_n say_v hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la or_o what_o other_o plain_a and_o direct_a word_n have_v he_o or_o any_o of_o the_o greek_a church_n four_o evangelist_n in_o direct_a and_o plain_a word_n you_o have_v the_o uniform_a consent_n &_o practice_v of_o the_o l_o greek_a church_n continue_v and_o remain_v at_o this_o day_n so_o that_o there_o be_v nothing_o want_v but_o the_o assistance_n of_o god_n holy_a spirit_n which_o you_o be_v to_o seek_v and_o crave_v be_v continual_a and_o hearty_a prayer_n the_o answer_n our_o protestant_a here_o be_v worse_a afraid_a than_o hurt_n the_o big_a look_n of_o his_o adversary_n make_v he_o afraid_a but_o his_o wither_a arm_n can_v not_o hurt_v he_o he_o tell_v we_o with_o full_a mouth_n and_o face_n enough_o that_o he_o will_v prove_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n which_o impli_v transubstantiation_n by_o the_o consent_n of_o all_o ancient_a father_n and_o the_o uniform_a practice_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o when_o all_o be_v come_v to_o all_o he_o run_v away_o and_o leave_v this_o wither_a conclusion_n behind_o he_o ergo_fw-la the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o church_n be_v either_o the_o mass_n or_o the_o protestant_n communion_n i_o trow_v such_o argument_n as_o these_o may_v soon_o be_v answer_v but_o now_o that_o our_o protestant_a call_v forth_o sense_n and_o reason_n to_o witness_v against_o he_o and_o to_o demonstrate_v infallible_o that_o his_o assertion_n be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v he_o come_v back_o again_o and_o entreat_v he_o to_o shut_v his_o eye_n and_o suffer_v himself_o to_o be_v hudwink_v and_o then_o he_o will_v take_v pain_n to_o lead_v he_o into_o a_o popish_a ditch_n if_o we_o rely_v upon_o the_o censure_n of_o our_o sense_n and_o reason_n say_v he_o we_o be_v in_o the_o high_a way_n to_o all_o atheism_n and_o heresy_n 29._o john_n 20.27_o 29._o a_o strange_a thing_n that_o that_o which_o be_v a_o mean_a to_o faith_n in_o christ_n time_n shall_v now_o become_v a_o fountain_n of_o heresy_n our_o saviour_n say_v to_o thomas_n because_o thou_o have_v see_v thou_o believe_v and_o again_o put_v thy_o finger_n here_o and_o see_v my_o hand_n and_o put_v forth_o thy_o hand_n put_v it_o into_o my_o side_n and_o be_v not_o faithless_a but_o believe_v and_o in_o another_o place_n he_o say_v 24.38_o luke_n 24.38_o why_o be_v you_o trouble_v and_o wherefore_o do_v doubt_n arise_v in_o your_o heart_n behold_v my_o hand_n and_o my_o foot_n for_o it_o be_v i_o myself_o handle_v i_o and_o see_v for_o a_o spirit_n have_v not_o flesh_n and_o bone_n as_o you_o see_v i_o to_o have_v now_o i_o beseech_v you_o tell_v i_o if_o the_o consecrate_a bread_n have_v a_o mouth_n to_o speak_v as_o it_o have_v a_o invisible_a mouth_n if_o papist_n may_v be_v believe_v and_o shall_v say_v to_o we_o why_o be_v you_o trouble_v and_o wherefore_o do_v doubt_n arise_v in_o your_o heart_n behold_v my_o form_n and_o colour_n handle_v taste_n and_o see_v for_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v not_o round_o white_a sweet_a heavy_a thick_a gross_a earthy_a as_o you_o taste_v feel_v and_o see_v i_o to_o be_v shall_v we_o answer_v that_o this_o be_v the_o fountain_n of_o heresy_n and_o atheism_n no_o by_o your_o leave_n answer_v so_o who_o will_v and_o who_o dare_v this_o shall_v be_v my_o warrant_n to_o settle_v my_o conscience_n and_o without_o further_a trouble_n of_o mind_n or_o doubt_v of_o heart_n to_o believe_v that_o it_o be_v very_a bread_n and_o not_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n moreover_o the_o holy_a apostle_n s._n john_n assure_v we_o of_o the_o certainty_n of_o his_o